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Rapture Of The Church

What is Rapture of the church? Will rapture precede or follow the Second coming of Christ? Dr Paul Wilson

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Jesus ONLY comes again ONCE. He came the FIRST time over 2000 years ago, and will come again AFTER ALL End Time events. The Rapture is where WE (Christians and Jews) go up into Heaven. Jesus does NOT appear again UNTIL the Rapture and Tribulation are OVER. Hopefully this makes more sense.
---Leslie on 3/17/09

Yes, thank you.
Others have confused me, telling me that the Rapture occurs when they 'meet Jesus in the air', then Jesus touches the earth later.

You are saying that in the Rapure they are not met midway, but go to Heaven and after the Tribulation, Jesus comes again the 2nd and final time.

Now I understand your concept of the Rapture.
The others I do not.
---Natalie2 on 3/18/09


Natalie - Again, Jesus ONLY comes again ONCE. He came the FIRST time over 2000 years ago, and will come again AFTER ALL End Time events. The Rapture is where WE (Christians and Jews) go up into Heaven. Jesus does NOT appear again UNTIL the Rapture and Tribulation are OVER. Yes, Jesus was a Jew (read your Bible's history on this). Jesus will ONLY come back as a Jew - there is NO such thing as a Christian Jesus (this would mean that He follows Himself - which is impossible to do, even for God incarnate). Hopefully this makes more sense.
---Leslie on 3/17/09


Leslie, I am not asking about the different stages of people going to heaven.
Are you saying that Jesus appears in Earth at each stages?
Or are you saying that Jesus appears once after all the stages of people are completed?
You have multiple appearance.
Twice only is my belief. Once as a Baby. 2nd, for those still alive on earth when time ends. I am firm in that belief.
The rapture and your stages seems as if Jesus is making multiple appearances?
Please break down your opinion of Jesus' return in accordance to each of your stages.

Jesus isn't divided.
He is Jewish who is the Christ.
Christians are people not gods who believe in Jesus Christ.
So to say as a Jew not as a Christian doesn't sound right to me.
---Natalie on 3/16/09


Jerry, I believe you are correct, the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night to those who are not aware its coming. For when that Day comes everyone will know for it will be the loudess day that even those who cannot hear will hear. I finally agreed with you. good job lad
---MarkV. on 3/16/09


Amen Jerry ...Christ doesn't steal his own
---Rhonda on 3/16/09




DDMJ (abreveated) - What you talk about is somewhat correct. Yes, throughout the Bible it talks about Jesus calling us to "Come up" - and this IS a picture of the Rapture. What you talk about though, has NOTHING to do with the Rapture, ONLY going to Heaven when you die, or having a Heavenly encounter here on Earth.
---Leslie on 3/16/09


Not true, the earliest of Christians spoke of the lord CALLING them "UP" to Heaven and then returningto live with him & God forever.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 3/14/09


Natalie2 - Start with the Hebrew language, this is God's language, and will help you get God's perspective, NOT man's. Jesus will only come back ONCE (as a Jew, NOT Christian) to rule the world from Mt. Zion in Israel (after the Tribulation). The rapture will be done in stages, where humans go up into Heaven. The first stage (barley harvest) is where people who are already saved (including Jews) go up into the clouds when the Trumpet of God sounds (during the Feast of Trumpets - Rosh Hashanna)- before the Tribulation. The second stage (wheat harvest) will be the 144 thousand Jews that get saved during the Tribulation going up. The last stage (grape harvest) will be for those that become Christians and survive the Tribulation go up.
---Leslie on 3/14/09


some of you are on the right path, those who will gather to war against jesus at the end will be those deceived into believing the antichrist is coming on a white horse. he is already here.
---john on 3/14/09


dewaine: "It says what it means and means what it says!" I agree. But it doesn't say what many say it says! It says that the DAY of the Lord shall come as a thief in the night. It does not say that Jesus comes as a thief. He doesn't steal anything! Theft is sin - Jesus is sinless. The DAY comes as a thief, so it is the TIME (day is a measure of time) that comes suddenly - unexpectedly - AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT. The scripture is warning us to be ready AT ALL TIMES for the SUDDEN appearance of Jesus - not that Jesus comes as a sneak-thief to steal away some of us secretly. Good grief!
---jerry6593 on 3/14/09




1Corin 15:50-53, Acts 1:9-11, 1Thess 2:19, 1Thess 4:15-17, Matthew 24:27,30-31, Rev 1:7 notice Christ COMES to earth at the LAST Trump ...those who are alive and remain MEET Christ in the air with those who are dead (asleep) to be with him forever

how blind false ministers have made those who follow them when they DENY Christ COMES to earth in MANY verses?

Christians will be with Christ FOREVER on earth reigning as Kings and Priests Zech 14:4,5, Rev 5:10, Matt 5:5, Rev 11:15

Christ WARNED about false ministers who will preach he comes in "secret" Matthew 24:23-27

Christians will escape to safety during the 3 1/2 years ...like Noah and Lot were protected during Gods Wrath
---Rhonda on 3/13/09


The pre-trib rapture idea first appeared in England about 160 years ago, propagated by one John Darby, who learned about it from an older lady who dreamed it one night. God bless!
---JohnnyB on 3/13/09


Why not take a look at Luke 21:36, also?
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Betty Luke 21:36 becomes crystal clear when you back up to Luke 21:34 where Christ WARNS Christians about that day ...antichrist rapture theory of men contradicts Christs WARNING

VERY SIMPLE to understand ...REMOVE deceptive "rapture glasses" ...Christ WARNS Christians that the day not come upon us while we are unaware ...YET LIES of false rapture ministers with deception that Christ will "take you away somewhere else" on a red carpet ride to never never land? ...ignoring the very REAL warning they create a theory on ONE verse

easy to misunderstand Luke 21:36 if one chooses to DISMISS the warning by Christ in Luke 21:34
---Rhonda on 3/13/09


I agree, no rapture. "from dust thou art and unto dust shalt thou return." Gen 3:19 No exceptions here. "it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body" 1cor15:44 Our bodies MUST be planted in the earth to produce a harvest. If a farmer does not PLANT, he does NOT get any crop. The power of the holy people WAS scattered during the great tribulation in 67-70 ad. Dan 12:7 was fulfilled. The last days refers to 30-70 just like Moses to Joshua took 40 years. The gentiles already trampled down the holy city for 42 months(Rev 11:2) Heaven and earth already passed away LIKE SMOKE (isa 51:6) This was metaphoric language to describe the OLD covenant.
---rod on 3/13/09


There is no place in the bible where a secret rapture is described. The doctrine was not thought of until the 1900's.

When I Thess 4 is compared to Matthew 24 you see that in both JESUS is in the air. JESUS says that every eye shall see him. That is not a secret.
---Samuel on 3/13/09


rhonda- Have you ever read Revelation 3:10? I wish you would also read what Dewaine wrote on 3-11-09. Why not take a look at Luke 21:36, also?
---BettyW on 3/13/09


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Dewaine- I am glad that you mentioned that bit of Scripture on 3-11-09. That should be an eye-opener to those who don't believe in the "Rapture".
---BettyW on 3/13/09


Brother Dewaine, that was very good explanation on "The Day of the Lord cometh as a thief in the night" Glad to hear sound words. Praise God
---MarkV. on 3/13/09


The truth shall set you free. You don't think we have the right to choose, ie free will,
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Gods Truth sets one free from god of this world 2Corin 4:4, Rev 12:9 ...the truth is Gods Laws 1Pet 1:22, 1John 5:2, 5:3, 2John 1:6,

otherwise you have taken "truth will set you free" to deliberately override the entire NT lesson which is obedience

and if you are "free to do as you please in Christ" this would CONTRADICT overcoming anything ...and if "free will" is more important than eternal life there is nothing to overcome Rev 2:7,11, 17, 26, Rev 3:5,12,21, Rev 21:7
---Rhonda on 3/13/09


There is no such thing a "the rapture of the church."
What the Bible tells us is that at the time of Jesus's second coming the saved will be lifted up in the sky to meet Jesus = raptured
up in the sky...PR
---pierr5358 on 3/11/09

What part of 2nd "COMING/RETURNING" don't people understand(?), The Shout that will be given, "Is a CALLING UP", NOT a coming DOWN to Earth.

The 2nd COMING is in ALL his Glory & as lightening fr the east unto the west,It's the BRIGHTNESS of his 2nd COMING that ALL will see(because darkness has fallen upon the earth in those days of the AC,Sun & Stars not giving off any light).

Most are stiffnecked/HardHearted like the Jews of old!
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 3/13/09


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Pierre: Good to have you back! How are you doing?
---jerry6593 on 3/13/09


Leslie,
Apology acceptance. But, can you please tell me how times you believe Jesus will show Himself again. Rather in the air or on the ground. Is it one or two more times.

I am not trying to be smart. I am confuse about this rapture.

Are you saying to start in the Letter to the Hebrews or the Language Hebrew?

If you are speaking about the Language, I try to get my Bible from all 3 source of Aramaic, Latin and Greek.

God Bless
---Natalie2 on 3/12/09


Rhonda - you don't think we have freedom in Christ? The truth shall set you free. You don't think we have the right to choose, ie free will, even if that choice is wrong? Aren't we still to love one another even our enemies?
---Zoe on 3/12/09


Natalie2 - I apologize if I hurt you with any of my statements. I was just trying to show you more about the rapture (catching up into the air), so you could see how true it is. Yes, the rapture is mentioned in "Left Behind", however, this is fiction. Yes, the books and movies are based on truth from the Bible, but the story is fiction. Perry Stone brings truth based on the Bible from a Hebreic perspective. This is the perspective that we are to look at the scriptures from. Please do yourself a favor, and start studying the Bible from the Hebrew. When you do, you will see things you have never seen - and it will grow you spiritually. God bless.
---Leslie on 3/12/09


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Zoe- If you are grieved over this page, then you have come to the wrong place. These Christians turn each other inside out, and claw the Scriptures apart looking for backup data for their interpretation. But it is so interesting I can hardly wait each day to see what happens next. Be blessed, Zoe, you are a breath of fresh air to this blog. Jesus said, "Blessed are the peacemakers...".
---Betty on 3/12/09


...trust Him --whatever we don't understand or that which may differ from someone else is due to the freedom we have in Christ
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Freedom in WHICH Christ 2Corin 11:4?

Biblical Christ does not give "freedom" to choose whatever they wish from mens traditions that is antichrist ...in plain english antichrist means one is AGAINST Christ by preaching "some other" message like yours which CONTRADICTS Word of God

we live in the end of age ...there is ONLY ONE Truth to salvation not "many" ...there is ONLY ONE Word of God

DECEPTION of antichrist "rapture" is clever ...Christ will RESURRECT those who lived and died in him when he RETURNS to set up Gods Kingdom on Earth
---Rhonda on 3/12/09


I am grieved over the dissention I read. Jesus came so that we might have the peace that passes understanding. His yoke is easy. All we need to do is trust Him --whatever we don't understand or that which may differ from someone else is due to the freedom we have in Christ. Please let's Love one another.
zoe
---zoe on 3/12/09


There is no such thing a "the rapture of the church."
What the Bible tells us is that at the time of Jesus's second coming the saved will be lifted up in the sky to meet Jesus = raptured
up in the sky...PR
---pierr5358 on 3/11/09


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For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.For when they shall say, Peace and safety, then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman withchild, and they shall not escape.BUT YE,BRETHREN,ARE NOT IN DARKNESS, THAT THAT DAY SHOULD OVERTAKE YOU AS A THIEF. It says what it means and means what it says!
---dewaine on 3/11/09

AMEN!!!
It looks like someone else knows in which season he's living in, And has watched & prayed so that it will not come upon him unawaringly, Amen Brother...
YLBD
ps. my dad use to say that when i was a littleboy "Say what you mean and mean what you say"
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 3/11/09


For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.For when they shall say, Peace and safety, then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman withchild, and they shall not escape.BUT YE,BRETHREN,ARE NOT IN DARKNESS, THAT THAT DAY SHOULD OVERTAKE YOU AS A THIEF. It says what it means and means what it says!
---dewaine on 3/11/09


ken- You do write like a fine Christian man, don't you?

Ephesians 4:29-30 - "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace to the hearers. And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby you are sealed unto the Day of Redeemption."

"Let the words of my mouth and the meditations of my heart be pleasing in thy sight, Oh Lord." Psalm 19: 4 Let those who seek the Lord rejoice in Him and be of good cheer.
---Betty on 3/11/09


Don't just say things off the top of your head to say them. When you do, you are NOT acting with wisdom, but foolishness.
---Leslie on 3/10/09

Just as you are doing now?
Reread my post answer!

I said sorry, and then said 'MANY HAVE EXPLAINED THE RAPTURE...
You are the one so mad and not focusing on who and what you are mad about.

'Many' means others.
In 'other' it means NOT YOU!

Get off your high horse and fuss at someone else!

(I do believe from what you have said, that you will not be ready. I pray that you will repent and turn to Jesus before it is too late.---Leslie on 3/5/09)

Thats you judging me my dear!

---Natalie2 on 3/11/09


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Betty>>Ken- Christians are supposed to lay aside all filthy conversation. 1Peter 1:15 "But as He which has called you is holy, so you be holy in all manner of conversation."


>>If you are refering to he word crap, I was quoting Dianne, not stating it on my own. I try to refrain from those words, and when I really need to use that reference, I generally say dung or poop.

Thank you for being quick to point out my sin.
---Ken_Rank on 3/11/09


Natalie2 - You are still putting words in my mouth that I did NOT say. Yes, Jesus came the first time, and will capture us up into the air. I believe, and know this. The teaching by Perry Stone even says this, he just explains it that it is ENCODED in the harvest cycles and the Jewish wedding feast. This is ONLY to prove that there IS going to be a rapture, NOT to say that we are not going to be caught up into the air. Please read my statements and think about it before you respond. Don't just say things off the top of your head to say them. When you do, you are NOT acting with wisdom, but foolishness.
---Leslie on 3/10/09


Ken- Christians are supposed to lay aside all filthy conversation. 1Peter 1:15 "But as He which has called you is holy, so you be holy in all manner of conversation."
---Betty on 3/10/09


Sarah: "The raising of the dead occurred in 1998"

Wow! I must have missed it. Was it on TV?
---jerry6593 on 3/10/09


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...every eye will see Him when He returns, then you say He comes like a thief in the night. BOTH verses are in the Bible
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world of sinners are not Christs many Christians will be tried in fire during Gods Wrath on mankind Day of the Lord

Christ does not return twice ...rapture claims Christ returns at beginning of tribulation to pickup passengers then again to setup Gods Kingdom ...Day of Lord is Gods WRATH on mankind WHOLE EARTH it will be like a thief to them

Day of The Lord AND Wrath of Satan both occur during time of tribulation

remember Christ said to The Father keep his own from evil not the world John 17:9,15,20

Christ only returns once at LAST trump to set up Gods Kingdom on Earth
---Rhonda on 3/9/09


Exo 16:35 And the children of Israel did eat manna forty years, until they came to a land inhabited, they did eat manna, until they came unto the borders of the land of Canaan.

All of the children of Israel did eat manna forty years.
Makes one think.
---TheSeg on 3/9/09


Dianne, believers won't be outta here when the "crap" hits. Though they are not appointed to God's wrath. Go to the Thes. verses & notice that when this pre-trib rapture happens, the dead are raised. Then go to the Corinthians verses and notice that the dead are raised when Messiah returns, which according to Paul is "at the LAST trumpet." The parable of the wheat and tares has them growing "together" until the end, and the "tares" gathered FIRST. Noah and Lot were not taken off the earth but protected, and neither received that protection until just before the wrath came. Yahushua likened his return to them.

Finally, read Acts 3:19-21 if you think nothing else has to happen before his return.
---Ken_Rank on 3/9/09


Never did say the word "rapture" is in the Bible. Yet these verses are: Isaiah 26: 20-21 - "Come out of her my people, enter into your chambers and shut your doors about you: hide yourself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. ...the Lord comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth, for their iniquity..."
1Th: 1:10 "...Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come." Rev. 3:10 "...I will also keep you from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." Luke 21:36 - "Watch ye therefore and pray always, that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass..."
---Betty on 3/9/09


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What about? Revelation 19:8
"and to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. and Revelation 7:14
"These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." and Revelation 20:4
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands, and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."
---zoe on 3/9/09


rhonda & jerry- Rhonda you say every eye will see Him when He returns, then you say He comes like a thief in the night. BOTH verses are in the Bible - must mean two separate events. He doesn't steal His own. Everything belongs to Him. It seems you are finding fault with Jesus Christ's own words. He said He will come like a thief in the night. Jerry, you and a few others seem to be more interested in the RCC,etc. more than those you accuse. The verses above help prove your sources were not scripturally accurate.
---Betty on 3/9/09


dianne- I'll speak for myself on this one. It was nice to see you had something to say on this blog, until I reached the part about the fan. I didn't think it looked right on a Christian website.
---Betty on 3/9/09


Zoe- Peace be unto you. Somewhere I read that the Holy Spirit is the oil in our lamps. I guess He will help us be prepared. Hope you have a blessed day.
---Betty on 3/9/09


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Heard great sermon yesterday about end times. The world is now looking for that "one" person who can solve the economy problems and get us out of this mess. He is coming. It will be a man too. Good news is that believers will be OUTTA here when the crap hits the fan so to speak. It's those who come out of the TRIBULATION who will need the welcoming committee when the 2nd coming happens. What a joy to welcome those aboard who actually went through that aweful trib. and made it out and/or prevailed. While the trib. is going on, we'll be up there partying at our wedding feast, then live in a sort of Garden of Eden for another 1,000 years. YIPPIE. It's so exciting to be living in this day and age.
---Dianne on 3/9/09


Hi Betty - no one knows when it will be so I pray all Christians will have their lamps filled with oil.
---zoe on 3/8/09


"Secret Rapture???" Betty, if it isn't in the word, it ISN'T!

Also, do you expect Yahushua to sneak up on you like a thief? No, you expect him, you wait for him. So to YOU he does not come like a thief in the night, only to the naysayers who don't wait for his appearing. (As it was in the days of Noah)

You might read the parable (and plain speak later in the chapter) about the wheat and tares and see WHO is taken first. You might also take a nice long look at an overlooked prophecy about his return in Acts 3:19-21.

Ken
---Ken_Rank on 3/9/09


Leslie, I am sorry, many explained the Rapture by saying Jesus is coming in mid air to lift up those who are ready as you call it.
Even the movie 'Left behind' speaks of launching into the air meeting Jesus.
The Left must prove their choice for Jesus through hardship during a horrible 7 years until Jesus returns yet again. But this time He is touching the ground.
Jesus came once already. The air event seems to be 1/2. The touch down is a third visit from Jesus. That's how I came up with the 2 1/2. If not please break it down for me.

As for being ready for the rapture? Don't worry about me. Jesus is in Charge of my life. I am ready for Him at the moment of my death which mostly likely will happen before your rapture. Are you?
---Natalie2 on 3/8/09


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Jesus said,as in the days of Noah so shall it be in the end times. In the days of Noah the wicked were taken away, and the rightous stayed here.
---Glen on 3/7/09


The term "rapture" occurs nowhere in the Scriptures. It can be found in the Bible Codes. The raising of the dead occurred in 1998. The "rapture" is not an event, it is a process that is ongoing at this present time. The Scriptures reveal the Truth if you are Blessed with the Guidance to learn Hebrew. Hebrew is God's language, based upon mathematics, the universal language. Anyone involved in the second coming of Christ where He is taking us Home, is already transitioning to becoming "born again". Being born again, is a process, not an event. The study of the prophets in the Old Testament will Reveal the Process. They were Called of God, then "grew" in His Presence until their time of Revelation.
---Sarah on 3/7/09


The secret rapture theory was conceived by a Jesuit Priest, Francisco Ribera (1537-1591). He was commissioned by the Roman Catholic Church to write a counter interpretation of the prophecies of Daniel 9 and Revelation as part of the Catholic Church's Counter Reformation. This counter reformation was deemed necessary as the 16th century Protestants who had been studying the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation, and who found that Salvation comes through Christ alone and that the Bible, which has precedence over church traditions and laws, had discovered that the Little Horn, antichrist beast power that was described in Daniel and correlated to the First beast of Revelation, could be none other than the Papacy. (from christian-rapture dot com)
---jerry6593 on 3/7/09


"secret" rapture: Jesus said "I come like a thief in the night."
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passage describes what will happen to unsuspecting world of those who DO NOT BELIEVE during the tribulation NOT his people ...duped into believing Christ will "steal" his OWN people?

When Christ RETURNS all verses describe it as an event known and seen throughout the world

Jude 1:5
I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not

Noe and ancient Israel TOOK ACTION just like Christians whom The Father will protect during tribulation of Satans Wrath and Day of The Lord
---Rhonda on 3/6/09


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About the "secret" rapture: Jesus said "I come like a thief in the night."
---Betty on 3/6/09


You/we/me shouldn't lump ALL Jews into the same category, there are many(1000's)Jews that love the Lord Jesus and follow HIS ways...

Be careful not to bear false witness against your brethren of the Lord, it won't be a good day for those that do such things...

The Bible says that he(God)has blinded them(Jews)to alot of things about his way's,
BUT, it will not always be so, and they WILL call upon the Lord(Yahshua/Jesus), AND he WILL save them, But a 1/3rd WILL be removed/Die(probably NUKE).
Even God brings fire out of Heaven to devour those that will come against him(Jesus & some of us) at the end of 1000 yr reign.
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 3/6/09


I am going back to one of the earlier comments about whether the Rapture occurs pre or post Tribulation. Since no one knows for sure, we ought to be ready. I think the Lord has made it vague for a reason so as to test our hearts. Are we willing not only to watch and pray, but to know without a doubt that we will not receive the mark or the number of the beasts name for then we shall be under God's wrath. We need to know we are willing to die for the Lord no matter what. He is looking for his people who love him with all their heart, mind, soul and strength and to follow his commandments.
Zoe
---Zoe on 3/6/09


It funny for a person who beleive in the Rapture to point to the Old Testament for proof. Since they say as Dispensationalists which is the foundational doctrine of the rapture that the church is not found in the Old Testament and it's words are not for the church.

It is also funny that they have to come up with words from books they discount since the doctrine cannot be found in the New Testament. Read Matthew 24. Every eye will see JESUS in the clouds of heaven. Where the dead go up to meet him.
---Samuel on 3/5/09


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Natalie2 - What does Jews believing in Jesus or the Rapture have to do with what I said? NOTHING. I said that the rapture is encoded in these things. Jesus spoke parables so that those that did not understand, would understand, and those that understood, would become ignorant. The teaching on the rapture is the same way. Encoded simplely refurs to it being in a symbolic parable type. This is NOT saying 1 and 1/2 times, but 2 times. Yes, Jesus is comming again. I do believe from what you have said, that you will not be ready. I pray that you will repent and turn to Jesus before it is too late.
---Leslie on 3/5/09


Bobby, I agree with you so much concerning the Second Coming. It is so obvious that everyone will know. I found a book that is very helpful concerning the events and the rebuttals to "Left Behind" books and movies.
The book is called, "End Time Delusions" by Steve Wohlberg. This book was recommended to me and it puts you through every phase and event through Scripture and compares it to what Lehay wrote.
---MarkV. on 3/5/09


The rapture can be found in the harvest cycles and the Jewish wedding feasts. "The Rapture and the Law of First Fruits" by Perry Stone.---Leslie

Are you saying that Jewish people believe in the Rapture?
Perry Stone isn't an Orthodox Jew, but a Pastor.

Jewish people term of the Rapture as far away from the view of Protestants.
They don't think they are going to be gathered up in the air to Jesus.
They don't believe in Jesus.
Could you at least explain what you mean about the wedding feast of Jews?

If the Rapture is true, how can you explain this belief of Jesus returning 1 and 1/2 times?
Scriptures speaks of returning once. Not ready? Too bad.
Where is this 2nd chance you all are speaking about?
---Natalie2 on 3/4/09


The rapture can be found in the harvest cycles and the Jewish wedding feasts. Get the DVD "The Rapture and the Law of First Fruits" by Perry Stone. This should answer any and all questions on this subject.
---Leslie on 3/4/09


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Jerry: "It is also hard to understand how...an event accompanied by shouting, trumpets and lightning can be 'secret.'"

Excellent point. There seems to be nothing secretive about this event. Rather, what is being communicated by Paul is a happening that will be overwhelmingly obvious to all.
---Bobby3 on 3/3/09


Even a bible novice should understand the scripture where Jesus says "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." Does everyone hear when Jesus speaks to you? What makes you think everyone will be able to hear and see the Rapture? It's clear everyone will witness the Second Coming, but that will probably not be the case for the Rapture.


Matt. 24:31 speaks of Jesus, at the Second Coming, having His elect gathered from one end of heaven to the other. These saints are ALREADY in heaven, which is why it doesn't mention the dead in Christ rising, it already happened.

In the Rapture, Christians, dead and alive, meet the Lord in the air. In the Second Coming, they return with Him to earth.
---Laurie on 3/2/09


Many who believe in the secret rapture say Matt 24 is the second coming. But compare it with Thessolonians.

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
---Samuel on 3/2/09


I agree with you Jerry
---Mary on 3/2/09


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Herb: "1 Thess 4:13-18 Refers to the rapture not the second coming."

It must take a special kind of blinders to read the following verses and not see that they refer to the second coming of Jesus!

1Th 4:15,16 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the COMING OF THE LORD shall not prevent them which are asleep. For THE LORD HIMSELF SHALL DESCEND FROM HEAVEN with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

It is also hard to understand how even the most novice Bible student can believe that an event accompanied by shouting, trumpets and lightning can be "secret."
---jerry6593 on 3/2/09


Ken
1Thess 4 and 1 Cor 15: 52 are the same event. During the rapture the dead in Christ are raised and we who are alive will be changed in a moment of a twinkling of an eye. Then the 7 year tribulation will occur. Then the Christ will return to earth after the 7 yr tribulation and we will come back with him to rule and reign for a 1000 years. Re 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Then the dead who are lost will be raised from the dead to be judged.
---Pastor_Herb on 3/1/09


Jesus Christ will come back to take His people with Him before the Tribulation. The Second coming usually refers to the time when Jesus comes to end the Tribulation.
---Betty on 3/1/09


Revelation 21:1-3 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away,
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, --coming down from God out of heaven--, prepared as a --bride adorned for her husband--.


Heaven is coming back with Jesus and will marry,or be made one with the earth. One dwelling place as it has always been God's plan And the throne of God will be set up upon the new Earth. The Bible says the tares
or the wicked will be taken first and the wheat will be saved.

Proverbs 10:30 The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.
---exzucuh on 2/26/09


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Greetings Pastor Herb. In 1 Thes. 4, we see that at what you believe to be the rapture, the dead are raised in verse 16. Yet, Paul also writes in 1 Cor 15:52 that the dead are raised, "at the last trump." Why the KJV uses trump is beyond me, the word is translated nearly everywhere else as trumpet.

So, when the final trumpet is sounded according to 1 Cor., the dead are raised. Yet, 7 years earlier, you have the dead being raised then. That would be twice the dead are raised.

Ken
---Ken_Rank on 2/25/09


Lu10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father, for so it seemed good in thy sight.

In my humble opinion, God is God and there is no other. Christ has no need to go up and down like he is in an elevator. I believe he is coming back once and for all to take his ransomed people home and bring justice to the wicked.

Lord bless you all.
---trey on 2/24/09


1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

These Scriptures are saying. Do not worry about those who have died in Christ they are already with him and will come back with him when he comes to set up his kingdom. When they appear those who are still alive at that time will be caught up to meet them,and we will all be changed into our glorified bodies at the same time. It is not about your rapture doctrine it is to comfort those who's loved ones have died.
---exzucuh on 2/24/09


1 Thess 4:13-18 Refers to the rapture not the second coming. Matt. 24:27 refers to His second coming. Rev Chapter 4 is a picture of the rapture. The church is never mentioned after chapter 4. Then Rev. Chapter 19:11-21 speakes of His second coming. You will notice that happens after the marriage supper of the Lamb Rev. 19:6-10. If the rapture does not happen before his second coming, how does the marriage supper happen? Acts 1:11 speaks of His second coming.
---Pastor_Herb on 2/24/09


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Jane's correct about being ready, but I do think we can know if we will be whisked away at any minute or not.

Start in Acts 3:19-21, an overlooked prophecy that states heaven must receive Christ (he won't return) UNTIL the things God spoke through his prophets of old is restored.

1 Th 4:16/17 has the Lord descend FROM heaven and the dead are raised and we "caught up." 1 Cor 15:52 has the dead raised "at the LAST trumpet."

Matt. 24 says AFTER the tribulation, Christ himself likened his return to Noah (who wasn't taken off the earth but protected) and Lot (who was MOVED outside the city but still on earth).

And of course, the parable of the wheat and tares has the TARES being taken first.

Ken
---Ken_Rank on 2/23/09


Herb: Perhaps you can share with us the "other scriptures" which mention a rapture. The only one that I can find clearly sets the time at the second coming of Jesus, vis:

1Th 4:15-17 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

I'll be waiting.
---jerry6593 on 2/23/09


I think you are right Jane.

I am ready as this man-destroyed world is becoming uglier and uglier.

Come Lord.
---Warwick on 2/22/09


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