Worship Of Barack Obama
A sad day for our country. No, not everyone is bowing down to worship Barack Hussein Obama. Are there other Christians on here that see this as a "sign" that we are on the verge of the Lord's return?
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You see, Barry Osambo AKA Barry Seotero his mentor Louis Farrakhan kalls him God & the X-tian Gos stirred him up to do that |
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---Richard on 9/9/09 |
I agree with you, StrongAxe, that we have to obey God and put Him above the Government. I was reminded today by a friend of the verses in the Bible that say that if we had known beforehand when the burglar or strong man or whatever, was going to break into the house, we would have been better prepared. Or words to that effect. Then there is the other verse about binding up the strong man. Indeed many verses point out that it is our duty to be prepared against and to fight against evil. To protect ourselves and our households. To protect those who are defenceless, like the unborn. The fight could be with weapons in the end, but for now it is in words. |
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---frances008 on 2/18/09 |
"but give unto God what is God's" - nobody should obey government in matters directly contradicting God's commandments.
---StrongAxe on 2/17/09
Sharp AXE. I Got your back on statement above, this issue anyway....even hard as it may become in our time. Allergic to some forms of pain so, may Angels hedge us.
The Indian partner on the movie "Josey Well", said he was instructed by the president of the time to "Endeavor to Persevere".....
Typical of Politics at any period. |
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---Trav on 2/17/09 |
frances008:
In one place, the Bible says to beat swords into ploughshares, in another, it says to do the reverse. In Luke 22, Jesus says to sell their cloaks and buy swords - but in Matthes 26:52 he
Not every verse is applicable at every time - each one has a context in which it is given, and that context is vital to understanding the verse.
How can you possibly conclude that I would "obviously" disagree with Thomas More, based on anything that I have written? And far as the Mark of the Beast goes, I often point out "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's" but the rest is "but give unto God what is God's" - nobody should obey government in matters directly contradicting God's commandments. |
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---StrongAxe on 2/17/09 |
StrongAxe, Jesus also taught us to sell our garment and buy a weapon. Have you done this? Also, you obviously would not agree with 'Saint' Thomas Moore when he refused to go along with the remarriage of Henry V111. I would agree with you there, but not for the reasons you cite. Revelations is clear that if we take the mark of the beast, which the authorities are going to try to force on us, we will be worshipping the Antichrist and lose our salvation. So who is correct, StrongAxe or John the prophet of God? Those who see where the government is leading us have every right to take up arms to protect their liberty or lives and defy the Antichrist. |
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---frances008 on 2/16/09 |
There is no law that says you have to pay income tax in America. The elite know this. However, if you did not pay this protection money you would soon end up sitting on your backside in a jail. The elite however, are above the laws of the land apparently. So, StrongAxe, only the sheeple have to obey the authorities and the laws. I think your logic is faulty. Or perhaps you think we should all obey disobedient leaders? Just let a usurper (BObama) in (who has broken the constitution himself) and throw out all the laws (constitution) and take America into totalitarian dictatorship. Why? Because you think that what applied in one verse of the Bible must be kept but not another, or that Christians must keep them but not others. |
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---frances008 on 2/16/09 |
Finally, there is a difference between obeying and worshipping. StrongAxe do you know the rest of the verse? 'and give to God that which belongs to God'. We have to fear not the authorities, but God. If the authorities demand things of us that are unlawful, like taking a microchip, or killing civilians, or torturing prisoners (I could go on and on) then we must obey God. Did not the US make it suddenly 'half legal' to torture Iraqi's and then when soldiers tortured them, the government back-tracked and let the soldiers be hung up to dry. Ignorance is a terrible thing. We are NOT ALLOWED TO OBEY BAD AUTHORITIES or CORRUPT LEADERS. |
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---frances008 on 2/16/09 |
jerry6593:
Jesus pointed out that we should pay taxes and obey civil authorities. |
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---StrongAxe on 2/16/09 |
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Axey: Rome, eh! At first I thought you were talking about the leftist radical Obama regime.
As for the "render unto Caesar" quote.... Have you ever read:
Psa 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.
Hag 2:8 The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts.
So just what is Caesar's, after all? |
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---jerry6593 on 2/16/09 |
Well said, Jerry. God wants us to reject all forms of evil, even if it means offering our lives in the form of revolution or resistance. We either serve God or money. The plans for the enslavement of humanity can only go ahead if enough people allow it. They will allow it only if they are desparate enough for food. People need to avoid becoming desparate and fight back while they still have food in their bellies. This can be done by informing the masses, by non-compliance with the illigitimate government, by not earning enough to pay into the system (starve the beast), and finally by use of force. |
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---frances008 on 2/15/09 |
jerry6593:
How would you rate a government that conquers countries, extorts taxes out of its inhabitants, and uses those taxes to fund armies to take over other countries, to fund pagan temples, to force people to worhship its leader as a god, and destroy's God's temple? Would you describe it a good government as one that serves those people who are governed, or an evil one that ruthlessly exploits them?
I just described Rome under Caesar. Yet despite how evil Rome was, Jesus STILL said "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's". |
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---StrongAxe on 2/15/09 |
Mr. Axe: You asked my opinion on the American Revolution. Here it is: When a government exists to SERVE the governed, it is of God and should be supported. When it becomes opressive and FORCES the governed to serve it, it must be opposed and even overthrown. I believe that the USA was ordained of God as a bastion of (primarily) religious liberty after the dark ages of religio-political opression. I believe further that the USA IS the second beast of Rev 13, lamb-like at first, but now beginning to speak like a dragon. Our founding fathers believed that government was inherently evil, was not to be trusted, and thus they limited its powers by the Constitution. Now our leaders ignore the Const. and work to expand gov. power over the people. |
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---jerry6593 on 2/15/09 |
StrongAxe, I agree with you. When the people of the Old Testament rejected God and asked for kings to lead them, God said 'Okay, but you won't like it.' The people have rejected God and put in politicians to lead them. Now they even wish to make a One World System along the lines of Nimrod. We know that God hates it when that happens. God wants to be first in our lives. He will give us all the evil things we want and then we will be sorry and never open our mouths again, like the Whore in Ezekiel 16. |
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---frances008 on 2/14/09 |
Donna66:
Some people always want a scapegoat (and it matters little who that is) to shoulder the responsibility for their problems, so they are freed from having to take any responsibility themselves. |
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---StrongAxe on 2/14/09 |
After years of chanting "I hate Bush"
"Bush lied" "Bush is stupid"...it's funny how thin-skinned some of these people have become now that Obama is president. |
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---Donna66 on 2/13/09 |
Leon_I don't know about all that,
but one thing I do know, More than 1 of the people that will be set free from GITMO, WILL KILL more americans(either here at home or abroad).
Hope you can live with yourself, if it's someone you know...
Now, you can tell me how bad Bush was,
then convince me how 2 wrongs, Makes it right!
YLBD |
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---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 2/13/09 |
"The latest word [weird] is that Obama is going to give Gitmo prisoners a position in the White House." --Herb, 2/11/09
What you said probably was tongue-n-cheek Herb. :) But you should rein in your tongue & stop slandering the President. (Jas. 3:5-10) If you really are a "pastor" how about praying for him instead?
President Obama isn't a theologian. He's a politician, president of "ALL" Americans, not just Christians. He says he's a Christian. We don't know if he really is. Only God knows his heart. "If" he is, he's obviously a baby Christian & needs our prayers (not off color jeers) so he can grow in knowledge, wisdom & understanding of the Lord & walk accordingly. |
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---Leon on 2/13/09 |
Pastor Herb:
Yes, America is falling. It has been careening down the hill torwards the cliff for the past 8 years. Obama has just grabbed the reins and is trying to slow it down before it reaches the cliff. Do you think that the current state of events in this country is based on a mere three weeks in office?
jerry6593:
That is an interesting question, I would be interested in hearing your opinion of it. On the one hand, they WERE rebelling against an authority. On the other hand, there are many cases in the Bible where a wicked ruler has his authority ripped from his grasp as a result. So there are precedents for both positions. |
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---StrongAxe on 2/12/09 |
Axey: (Note that I don't disrespect your name because I don't think that StrongAxe is your REAL name.) Do you think that the American Colonies went against God's will when they disobeyed England's King by revolution? |
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---jerry6593 on 2/12/09 |
Go ahead, make fun of my spelling because I get in a hurry and miss-tipe, oops, something. You all are starting to sound like a bunch of atheist, nit picking over every misspelled word.
I said a couple years ago, not in a couple of years that the US was headed for a fall.
Look at the US now, falling.
The latest word is that Obama is going to give the Gitmo prisoners a position in the White House. |
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---Pastor_Herb on 2/11/09 |
Trav:
Despite the fact that I disagree with much that you say, I do you the respect of calling you by the name that you use here. I would appreciate it if you would do me the same courtesy, rather than mocking my name in order to show your disapproval.
You are right that Jesus was not part of the corrupt government system of his day. However, YOU miss the point that DESPITE THIS FACT, he commanded that we "give unto Caesar what is Caesar's". He did NOT command us to disrepect civil authority and disobey it (except where its commands directly contradicted our obligations "but give unto God what is God's") |
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---StrongAxe on 2/11/09 |
obeying most laws, etc.), respecting their authority, these are things we ARE supposed to do.
Jesus did not challenge Caesar's civil authority, nor that of Pontius Pilate, nor that of Herod.
---StrongAxe on 2/5/09
You miss the point hardened ole Axe head....he was not a part of it either.
He will more than challenge the next time around. He will toast these puppy's, and all their like.
You acknowledge more than you let on....noticed the words "most" and "supposed" above. You can't keep your new leaders laws either,and remain christian. Kneel to the lead dog elected if you must. Suspect there is more attraction for you to this dog than his abilities/position. |
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---Trav on 2/11/09 |
Donna66:
When the government feels it can break the law with impunity whenever it pleases in the case of "bad" citizens, what makes you think it will refrain from doing so in the case of "good" citizens? What if you're "good" but the government decides that you're "bad"? Do you trust such a government that has contempt of its own laws to rightly discern who is "bad" and who is "good"? |
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---StrongAxe on 2/11/09 |
As long as man takes the easy road, God is saying, man will never turn to me for help. |
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---catherine on 2/11/09 |
God is saying, "Man has to be patient. But you are worshiping other gods. And no matter what highfalutin plan, man may come up with, God's will shall be done". |
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---catherine on 2/11/09 |
StrongAxe. Regarding Padilla,I understand your point. But I don't believe that average citizens are in danger of losing their legal rights. Unless, of course, they have knowingly conspired to cause harm to the country that gave them those rights. |
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---Donna66 on 2/11/09 |
Donna66:
My point had nothing to do with Padilla's guilt or innocence, nor with whether he would have been better off being tried properly.
My point was that he was denied his rights that were granted to him by the constitution, and that the federal government illegally denied him those rights merely on its say-so. If the executive branch has the audacity to suspend any part of the constitution whenever it sees fit, none of us are safe. |
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---StrongAxe on 2/10/09 |
"I mentioned here a couple yrars [?] ago on the site that the US was headed for a fall." --Herb on 2/5/09
Yrars? Is that one of those words like "uth" (from the movie My Cousin Vinnie)? Okay, just having fun. :) We all know the letters e & r are side-by-side on the home row qwerty keyboard.
WARNING!!!! What you said "a couple yrars ago" may well be a Hamanism, a personal, self-fulfilling prophecy. |
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---Leon on 2/10/09 |
Aaaaaa Herb! In case you didn't know it, our prisons are already full of home-grown "Terrist" (aka, terrorist of all sorts). So, the GITMO "terrist" should feel right at home with fellow hellions.
"Perdiction", hmmmmm! So, in two years when your prediction misses the mark, will you try & tell us it wasn't a prediction but a perdiction?
Since Webster's Dictionary hasn't yet, allow me to define perdiction: A non-word that sounds like perdition, describing one's recessed "per"sonal mental con"dition" caused by years of addiction to stinkin' thinkin'.
Come on Moderator! :) |
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---Leon on 2/10/09 |
Unlike most "enemy combatants" Padilla was a U.S, citizen. He could have been held in a federal prison and charged with treason or conspiracy for which there was considerable evidence.
Treason is made a high crime, punishable by death, by Article III, section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. (but few have been executed in the U.S. for this).
If bail had been set, for any charges, it would have been very high since he was an extreme flight risk. He might have been better off held as an "enemy combatant"
Would I like to be held three years waiting for a trial? Nope. But if I allegedly conspired against my country, I might actually feel safer outside the country waiting for lawyers to prepare my case. |
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---Donna66 on 2/9/09 |
Donna66:
Yes, Padilla did EVENTUALLY get a trial, after enough people screamed enough about the violation of his rights. And he was convicted.
But before that he was held for three and a half years without being charged, and without access to counsel. The constitution grants citizens rights of speedy trial, right to counsel, right against search and siezure without due process of law - rights that were illegally denied to a US CITIZEN for three an a half years, merely because the federal government said so.
Would you like to rot in jail for years without being charged of a crime merely because some bureaucrat decides you should? In the Soviet Union one might expect this, but not in America. |
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---StrongAxe on 2/9/09 |
WARNING!!!! Terrist coming to a prison near you. Obama closing Gitmo. Obama just dropped charges on terrist that bombed USS Cole. America will be attacked within the next 2 years. My perdiction. CHANGE we can live with??????????????? |
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---Pastor_Herb on 2/6/09 |
StrongAxe-
Padilla and his co-defendants, Adham Amin Hassoun and Kifah Wael Jayyousi,were not accused of having a bomb but of providing support for al-Qaida, which is not covered under the U.S.criminal code (so he was called "enemy combatant")
He DID get a trial. And evidence included an application for training by al-Qaida signed by Padilla and marked by his fingerprints.
"Search and seizure" are legal with a warrent
so is wiretapping...only with approval of FISA.
When were you ever deprived of your freedom of speech and assembly?
I'm more concerned that our highest court now allows my home and property to be conficated at any time by the government for any use.. public or PRIVATE |
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---Donna66 on 2/6/09 |
If you think we lost freedoms under Bush, just wait till they pass the fairness doctrine. Then you will loose free speach. I suggest you check it out and see what Obama and the far left are trying to do.
Ever wondered why they call Republicans Right and Demorcats Left? Actuall, If you are not right, you are wrong, not left. |
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---Pastor_Herb on 2/6/09 |
Strongax, you have lost nothing. Your rhetoric is the same that I just commented about. You want enemy combatants given the same freedoms that you have while they are trying to kill you. Boy, the duh factor takes over here doesn't it. If what you have said was part true you wouldn't be able to make your post freely. I see you have no trouble. You worry about wire taps. Anyone can tap my phone or read my mail. You can come check my PC for sites visited I have nothing to hide.
A known Terrorist, in your stated view, can rent a hotel room and direct fire into a school house from his room phone and no one should be allowed to listen to stop him.
Why, I guess you fill up on Citgo gas don't you.....? |
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---Elder on 2/6/09 |
Would someone please explain to me what Terrorist fought and died for the freedoms we enjoy in this country? What has any enemy of ours contributed to these freedoms? Why should they be allowed to destroy this nation and our way of life and be protected by the same freedoms we have won from oppressors just like they are?
America is not about to fall. America has fallen. We are just waiting for someone to sweep up the mess and throw us in the trash, unless we wake up to reality. There has been more hate directed towards Bush than any of the enemies who have tried to kill our people. |
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---Elder on 2/6/09 |
Under liberals my rights of medical choice and private property are taken away under the banner of "equality" or "war on poverty". Under Nationalists, my rights are taken away under the banner of "national security" or "war on terror". Under globalists, my political rights are taken away through treaties and multinational agreements. What is worse is that we are handing this down to our kids/grandkids along with a mountain of debt, which is taking away their financial freedom. Small government may not always be able to answer every problem, but big government will always involve loss of freedom. |
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---Doug on 2/6/09 |
Abe Lincoln got rid of Habius Corpus during the Civil War, did it ruin America's outcome?
No, it probably help save it.....
Answer to Blog "?",
America's usefullness has come to an end, just as it did for Egypt in the day's of Mose's.
America has chose the way's of Baal(Loves the wages of Sin)and have embraced it as a good thing...
I see "Now" how MANY shall fall and be fooled into following the AC when he come's, for the love of getting things we have giving it ALL away, Shame Shame!
YLBD |
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---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 2/6/09 |
Elder:
During the Bush era, many civil rights were thrown away:
The right to a speedy trial, to counsel, and freedom from search and siezure - UNLESS a government tribunal (answerable to nobody) declares you "an enemy combattant". Google for "Jose Padilla". Not to mention wiretapping on all citizens without a warrant.
The right of freedom of speech and assembly (unless you were born in a country that ends in "stan"). There are many other cases. |
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---StrongAxe on 2/6/09 |
Hey glad to hear from you again Herb.. Call me I'm still alive.
Strongax the Constitution demands that the President keeps this country secure. There has been no rights thrown away. And, what rights do enemies who are not citizens have in our constitution any way? Tell me what right you have lost. Don't tell me that "they" listen in on your phone. You have never had a secure line at anytime. People are always listening in. Your cell phone is a radio for anyone one on your channel to listen in.
Your rights to get on an airplane/public transportation and travel anywhere in the US was protected. Many terror attacks were stopped how ya feel about that. Hope I haven't violated your supposed rights by asking these questions. |
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---Elder on 2/6/09 |
StrongAxe, Do you support abortion? Do you support Sodomite marriages? If you support Obama, you do. Is that Christian? Wait till Obama turns this country into a Communist Nation Comrade. |
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---Pastor_Herb on 2/5/09 |
Pastor_Herb:
Would you prefer George W. Bush, who conditioned this country to the idea that it's acceptable to throw away all our constitutional rights for the sake of security? That's a MUCH more telling step on that road... |
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---StrongAxe on 2/5/09 |
When a nation forgets God, it becomes an OBAMA-NATION. Obama is the right person for the right time. He will set the stage for the Anti-christ. Within the next 4 yrs we will be using the Euro Dollar.
I mentioned here a couple yrars ago on this site that the US was headed for a fall. |
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---Pastor_Herb on 2/5/09 |
We shouldn't forget at the time the Apostles wrote the New Testament that Ceaser was to be worshiped as a god. It was Christians refusal to do that which led to the persecutions in the 1st and 2nd Century. So I'm not sure just because we don't agree with Obama's political and religious views that equats him with Ceaser of the Roman Empire. Not that I agree with Obama either, but since when does agreeing with someone's politics or liking them as president equate them with worshiping the person? |
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Trav:
There are certain things that we clearly cannot give to worldy leaders (for example, worship). However, for most other things (paying taxes, obeying most laws, etc.), respecting their authority, these are things we ARE supposed to do.
Jesus did not challenge Caesar's civil authority, nor that of Pontius Pilate, nor that of Herod. |
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---StrongAxe on 2/5/09 |
The question remains: ... how was his (caesars)authority more godly than that of other leaders (like American presidents). If not, then why did Jesus say "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's"?
---StrongAxe on 2/4/09
I answered, it wasn't clear enough.
Caesar represented the world. We are ,subject too worldly things .....but striving for spirituality.....at some point you may be crucified for what you believe....or you can fold, join, or be lukewarm or cold...leading to eternal death.
Moses,Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, Abedego,Jeremiah knew the fine line. Where will you/me/we quit rendering/supporting/upholding is unanswered question.... personal experience is it not? |
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---Trav on 2/4/09 |
Trav:
I agree with you that we should "spiritually reside with GOD. We should abhor evil", We are to be in the world, yet not of the world. however, that has nothing to do with the topic of this blog.
You mention godly leaders like Noah, Moses, Joseph, and David. However, we aren't talking about them. Jesus didn't say "render unto David what is David's".
The question remains: Do you believe that Caesar was a godly (or at least divinely-ordained) authority or not (from your last post, it sounds like you don't)? If so, how was his authority more godly than that of other leaders (like American presidents). If not, then why did Jesus say "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's"? |
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---StrongAxe on 2/4/09 |
Trav:
So just WHAT do you consider 'Godly Authority'?
Many of the Caesars got their authrorities by military coups, assassinations, etc.
Yet, DESPITE ALL THIS, Jesus STILL said "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's"
---StrongAxe on 2/2/09
In past GODly authority's were authorized by GOD. Noah,Moses,Joseph,David.
By your description above of Caesar...it would be the opposite of....you would agree?
Where will you quit submitting and start objecting?? To accept all is to be a part of /in support.
Logically we are here in flesh but...seek to spiritually reside with GOD. We should abhor evil. The conflict is individually ours to suffer for now..... |
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---Trav on 2/4/09 |
This question asked if it is "a sign" that our Lord is on the verge of coming. Well is it not a sign(S) since the day he has Rissen, and said that "I WILL COME AGAIN"He will come again, Sign or No Sign! Some of the questions on these blogs are truly funny. |
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---BB on 2/2/09 |
Trav:
So just WHAT do you consider 'Godly Authority'?
Caesar was a tyrant who used tax money to ruthlessly conquer other nations (and slaughter those who did not submit), to support pagan temples, and who proclaimed himself to be a god.
Many of the Caesars got their authrorities by military coups, assassinations, etc. Do you consider this to be 'godly authority'?
Yet, DESPITE ALL THIS, Jesus STILL said "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" |
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---StrongAxe on 2/2/09 |
Do you think that Obama is due less due than Caesar was? And if so, how can you justify that?
---StrongAxe on 2/2/09
Well sir, GODly authority that we ultimately obey..... know you agree. (Caesar meant Hairy, Majestic)An Emperor.
We may all get our chance under this scriptural dog to see just where our true faith and values lay. (Look up dog in scripture).
He falls under the public servant title and role. Telling reflection of winning voters... apathy of non voters.
Winners dream/scream for "Ice Cream"....never considering price. Price? Socialistic race ideology's, protect promote, uphold sodomy and all practices/forms of it. Abortion. One abomination alone would/should have been enough to warn us. |
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---Trav on 2/2/09 |
We're to Submit ourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake(1 Peter 2:13,15-17) but the lack of some to keep these Hopes of Faith Alive has clearly marked & weeding out those falsely proclaiming the Lord.
---Shawn_M.T. on 1/30/09
Amen, brother, amen.
ralph, brother, I enjoyed your post too.
I am glad I am not affiliated with either repub. or dems. It is hard enough to vote as it is without party affiliation. Neither one really has the people's best interest at heart.
I didn't vote for Obama, but since He won, God allowed it, so he gets my taxes. Then, when it is time to vote again, I will vote and pray that we get legislators that will oppose any negative laws he might want to pass. |
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---miche3754 on 2/2/09 |
Trav:
The people in Israel 2000 years ago didn't vote for Caesar - Rome conquered Israel by force. Yet Jesus commanded that Caesar be given his legal due, regardless of how he got into power.
Now you may not like Obama, but he IS president, and furthermore, he was elected according to procedures outlined in the U.S. constitution. Do you think that Obama is due less due than Caesar was? And if so, how can you justify that? |
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---StrongAxe on 2/2/09 |
ralph,a pure case of human nature,and how power corrupts. |
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---tom2 on 2/1/09 |
Donna66: During the Rick Warren interview, and many other interviews, Obama stated that the issue of civil unions and gay marriage was a state issue, not a federal issue, and as such, should be left to the individual states to decide. That is why he is thinking of repealing the Defense of Marriage Act. |
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---Trish9863 on 1/31/09 |
yes Ralph, this is hypocrisy on steroids. good post. |
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---wayne on 1/31/09 |
But many people also do the reverse, rendering all unto God and treating Caesar with contempt - which also goes against what Jesus taught.
---StrongAxe on 1/30/09
Yet Jesus still said "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's"
---StrongAxe on 1/26/09
He is not my Caesar. He apparently is yours. He is yours.
We do not have Caesars in this country. Perhaps you do.
If contempt,revulsion is due. Render. I render contempt, and revulsion. The latest photo's of him in his gay,one piece Lime Green Lizard Print body suit with matching High heeled boots warrrants a nice shudder.
Your bowing enough for both of us. I'll just pray for relief and be reviled his until my LORD comes. |
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---Trav on 1/31/09 |
Speaking of rendering unto Caesar, it's becoming clear that liberal Democrats don't buy into that principle. Obama is doing his best to appoint greedy lawbreakers.
First it was Geithner, a man brilliant enough to run the Treasury, but somehow forgot to pay $34,000 in Social Security taxes until he needed to be confirmed, that is. Now there is Tom Daschle, who suddenly realized that he owes over $100,000 in back taxes.
Why are all the Liberals on this sight silent in light of such blatant elitism and lawbreaking? They had no problem ganging up on Joe the plumber for a $1,200 tax lien.
P.S. all the government employees involved with accessing State computer records on Joe have been resigned, been fired or have quit. |
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---ralph7477 on 1/31/09 |
--StrongAxe:*Yes, the other side of that coin is "but render unto God what is God's". It is true that many people err by rendering ALL unto Caesar, depriving God of his due. But many people also do the reverse, rendering all unto God and treating Caesar with contempt-which also goes against what Jesus taught.**
Amen~StrongAxe & very well written! All these negative responses toward President Barack Hussein Obama has revealed many things about our nation, that I feel is edifying to the Body of Christ.
We're to Submit ourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake(1 Peter 2:13,15-17) but the lack of some to keep these Hopes of Faith Alive has clearly marked & weeding out those falsely proclaiming the Lord. |
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---Shawn_M.T. on 1/30/09 |
Trish-- I,too, remember that interview of Obama with Rick Warren. I believe he did say that he supported civil unions, so that gay partners could have their rights protected, NOT gay marriage.
Since then, he has pledged to oppose DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act). This act does not preclude civil unions between people of the same sex, only "marriage". Why do you think he does not support it, if he doesn't believe in gay Marriage? |
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---Donna66 on 1/30/09 |
Trav: Are you an American citizen? Are you a Christian? If you answer "Yes" to both, then you commit a terrible sin of bearing false witness and not showing proper submission to your leader. Scripture says we are to submit to the authorities above us, as they are there because of God. Like it or not, Obama is the president of the United States. To refer to him as "Obamanation" is a terrible sin and a terrible witness to unbelievers who may come on this site. |
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---Trisha9863 on 1/30/09 |
trav:
Yes, the other side of that coin is "but render unto God what is God's". It is true that many people err by rendering ALL unto Caesar, depriving God of his due. But many people also do the reverse, rendering all unto God and treating Caesar with contempt - which also goes against what Jesus taught. |
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---StrongAxe on 1/30/09 |
Yet Jesus still said "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's"
---StrongAxe on 1/26/09
While holding a coin with Caesar's image on it.
Some will render all, mistakenly to obamanation saviour.
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---trav on 1/30/09 |
Newsmax? C'mon, surely you don't ascribe to that nutty 'all white all the time' rag?
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Becky, apparently you still have racial prejudice by you referring to the "all white news max". It's not "all white". They have the conserative view and published by people of all colors. You say "let us pray the time has come that people will not be judged by their skin color" and yet you make a statement like that? Isn't that hypocritical of you? wayne5363 |
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---wayne on 1/29/09 |
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"The ruling party"-strongaxe
I agree brother. That is why I believe we should look at the person we elect not the party. We should look at what policies they are for or against and vote based on this. And some don't realize that every 2 years there is a vote for those in congress.
If they aren't doing what we believe is right, they should be voted out.
But mark my words, when everything falls through, the ones who came out to vote for the presidencial election will forget about the fact they also elect congress. They won't get back out and vote and they won't do aything about the mess even when they have the power to vote someone out of office and get someone new in to do what the people want. |
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---miche3754 on 1/28/09 |
" but as the Rev King stated, there will come a time when people will not be judged by the color of their skin.
---wayne on 1/26/09"
Let us pray that this time has come!
BTW Obama LOOKS black, so he is perceived as such. His mother was white, his father was African, no Arabs or any other race mixed in, not that it would matter!
Newsmax? C'mon, surely you don't ascribe to that nutty 'all white all the time' rag? |
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---Becky on 1/28/09 |
miche3754:
It is true that presidents have a great deal of influence in making policy - a bill needs a 51% majority to pass through Congress, and if the president signs it, it becomes law, but if he refuses to sign it, it requires a 66% majority of Congress to force it through. The ruling party can usually pass 51% easily, but not 66%, so for any law that doesn't have overwhelming bipartisan support, the president is the one who decides to make it or break it. However, a president can't just arbitrarily decide to pass a law (or rescind one) without it passing through Congress first.
It's only executive orders - documents that set policies that affect only the executive branch - that a president can implement or cancel at will. |
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---StrongAxe on 1/28/09 |
frances, did you know that when a new President gets into office, they can change the policies of the former President almost right then on the spot?
Did you know that Clinton signed the free trade agreement that slowly took away our jobs?
Did you know that Bush could have done something about it?
Every President leaves something behind for the next to have to fix because of politics.
I'm also wondering, are all the people that voted Obama into office going to vote again in 2 years for the house and senate if they aren't doing their job?
They are more responsible for passing laws than our Presidents. But the blame gets placed on who ever's in office.
There are just some that don't understand how our political system works. |
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---miche3754 on 1/28/09 |
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Clinton gave the CIA it's secret air fleet with which to kidnap anyone they thought may be dangerous to the U S > I said 'thought'
They are trotured by the CIA then delivered to countries around europe where they are tortured severely until they sign . Sign what ? Sign anything. The U S paays well for the service so their hands are 'not dorty'. In Uzbekistan the C I A prisoners are boiled to death. |
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---John on 1/28/09 |
did you read the article about mirah carey?she was ,in her opinion seated too far away from obama at the innagural parade,so she had a hissy fit and left.the world is just literally full of nit witts.spolied nit witts,most of which reside in the entertainment industry. |
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---tom2 on 1/28/09 |
Clinton, who is widely praised even today, was responsible for the lead up to 911. The propaganda preparation...the Arabs in flight training schools being watched by the CIA and the Israeli spy circle. We were all led to believe these lies due to Clinton's manipulation. Clinton was educated by Jesuits at Georgetown University. There were NO PLANES. The buildings were bombed, mined. And a third building went down all by itself apparently. And no wreckage of the four planes that disappeared into thin air was ever found. And the steel girders miraculously melted, though built to withstand higher temperatures than jet fuel burning temperatures. |
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---frances008 on 1/27/09 |
most politician today in congress,especially senators,are law gradustes from harvard,yale,princeton,and are born into money and out of touch with the common ,or middle class.middle class to them are people making under 250 thousand a year.man by those standards i need to get a carpet and a cup. |
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---tom2 on 1/27/09 |
In history there are often good or bad precursors which foreshadow events to come. I believe President Obama is a good example of this. The worship-like popularity of Obama is an example of what it will be like when the Anti-Christ arrives on the scene. It also paves the way for such popularity of one person to become "expected" or "normal" among the masses. Scary? Yes, but everything is still and always in God's hands. |
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---Laurie on 1/27/09 |
I found it amazing how quickly Obama arose to become our president. It seems that the world of opinion can turn on a dime.
I could never understand how the whole world would worship the beast but now I do.
Not that I think Obama is the anti-christ but if he should have a head wound and miraculasly recovers I might change my mind.
Blessings, Sue |
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---Sue on 1/26/09 |
Elder: I am not in favor of abortion, but I will concede that you have more spiritual and actual maturity than I do.
I have no idea what my degrees have to do with this conversation. If my education makes you feel inferior, that is your problem, not mine.
The only thing wrong with my original statement was that I left out the word "spiritual" when referring to maturity. Either way, I did not write it in anyway that could be construed the way you saw it, except that you take great pleasure in twisting my words around so you have something to argue with. |
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---Trish9863 on 1/26/09 |
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