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Christians Not Punished

At the judgment seat of Christ the born again saved Christian will be passed over and not be punished for his wrongs. Is this correct?

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 ---mima on 1/21/09
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mima,

Are you asking if "Christians" face punishment of the second death?

Re 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Re 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


If "Christians" were subject to the second death, why bother?
---BruceB on 5/15/09


"Mima: A believer is not punished for sins committed. We are forgiven. However, our rewards, or crowns, will not be as great as someone who lives more obediently."
---Trish9863 on 1/22/09

This post by Trish expresses exactly how I believe.
---mima on 5/15/09


Everyone will be judged. Even Christians.
---amand6348 on 5/14/09


No. God will punish the sinners who haven't repented.
---bettyw on 3/30/09


1 Corinthians 3:14 If any man's work which he has built upon it remains, he shall receive a reward. 2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 2 John 1:8 Watch yourselves, that you might not lose what we have accomplished, but that you may receive a full reward. These scriptures seem to substantiate that we believers won't be punished but will receive rewards for the good works we did in the body of Christ. For being a good witness.
---Bob on 2/5/09




At the Judgement seat of Christ, I don't know what "punishment" could be given other than being barred from heaven...certainly Scripture doesn't suggest any.

But the good news is:

Jhn 3:17-19 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Here "condemnation" is not due to "sins" but lack of belief and loving darkness.
---Donna66 on 2/4/09


Everyone will be judged by God. God will judge all the good we have done and all the bad we done. No-one is exempt from the judgements from God.
---Rebecca_D on 2/3/09


Colossians 1:27_29: "To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily."
Warning? What warning? Like 1 Corinthians 10:1_15? Hebrews 12:15_17? Like 1 Corinthians 6:9_10? Some exalt the likes of 1 Corinthians 6:11 and ignore the rest. To those I quote Paul, "Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren."
---Nana on 1/28/09


"For the Son of man will come in the glory who's Father of him, with the angels of him, then he will reward to each according to the works of them. Not all they that say to me, Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of heaven: rather he that does the commands of my Father which is in heaven. He will sit upon the throne of his glory, and in front of him will be gathered all nations: and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides sheep from the goats." Matthew 16:27+ 7:21+ 25:31,32. "For we must all appear in front of the Judgment throne of Christ, that every one will receive the things in body, according to what we have done, whether good or bad." II Corinthians 5:10.
---Eloy on 1/26/09


I agree with Elder's discussion on the Lord's chastising His children. My problem is that in my weird thinking the word PUNISHMENT, in the context of this blog, means eternal Hell. Chastisement, or discipline, is done by a loving Father to bring His children into a more loving, obedient relationship with Him.

So, in my previous post, I was referring to eternal punishment, Hell. I was not meaning that Christians do not get chastised, or disciplined for sins committed.
---Trish9863 on 1/25/09




Frances, Rhonda, and Elder~ Excellent posts. Tonne...good points. Moses did kill and Egyptian, but, Moses did not wish to intentionally kill the Egyptian. Moses' heart just felt so passionately in sorrow for the suffering Hebrews, that Moses let out in wrath toward this 'heartless' Egyptian. (We soo need to read the entire context of the reason behind particular 'sins', and the heart attitude etc.)

People like to point fingers at Lot's 'sins' as well, but until they read about Lot's supposed sins in proper context, we know the intent of Lot's heart was actually very pure, and his top desire was for God. Was it a 'sin' for Abraham to want to 'kill' Isaac...no...it was a sign Abraham loved God above all, even more than his own son.
---Anne on 1/25/09


This is correct, because we have been forgiven through the Blood of Jesus. There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ. Must stay in prayer.
---catherine on 1/24/09


Mima, You and a lot of others on here have sin and sins mixed up. God punishes ALL sin, and the sins in His children.
People go to Hell for one sin.... Rejecting Christ, John 3:18.
Moses was punished so was Cain. All the others have too, even David. Tonne Read Gen 4:9-13 for one example. People don't read the Bible do they?
I Cor 5 the man sinning with his mother/step mother was punished.
God chastises His children. If you are not chastised when you sin you are none of His.
Again read the Book. Easy comfortable sinning liberals that call themselves Christians are a work of the Devil. Not only are they confused they may not even be Saved.
---Elder on 1/25/09


There were many sinners in the Bible that were not punished for their wrongs. Moses killed an Egytian, Cain killed Able, Jacob was fraudulent. I believe that those who have sinned and that really love God and Jesus will not stand in the judgement. I beleive that God overlooks some sinners, because of His love, mercy and grace.
---tonne on 1/24/09


They need to know that 'merely signing up to run the race, is most certainly not the same as finishing the race and collecting the prize.'(James 2:24 "You see that by works a man is justified, not by faith only")
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How true Anne

There is no race to finish if salvation is a "done deal" once one is baptized

many fail to comprehend Satan seeks to destroy and seeks to take a True Christians crown ....making them believe lies spread by his false ministers that one is saved forever
---Rhonda on 1/24/09


'But many will say to me, on that day, 'Lord, Lord, we gave messages in your name, cast out many demons and performed many miracles in your name.' And I will say to them 'Get away from me, you who do evil.'

Apparently, not all Christians are going to Heaven.
---frances008 on 1/24/09


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Rhonda~ As you know, there are many looking for the 'easy street' to get to heaven. These are the ones looking for an 'easy gospel'/'easy gospel church' to indoctrinate them with smooth words to 'save' them.

Once these individuals hear the phrase "Once saved always saved," they say "Sign me up!!"

But may these easy salvation seekers be forewarned for as the old saying goes: "If the sales pitch sounds too good to be true, it probably is!"

They need to know that 'merely signing up to run the race, is most certainly not the same as finishing the race and collecting the prize.'(James 2:24 "You see that by works a man is justified, not by faith only")
---Anne on 1/23/09


The GTeat White Throne Judgement is for unbelievers. Christians recieve or lose rewards for works done on earth.:)
---jody on 1/23/09


NANA:-who do you think are 'believers' ?
(a)Those who say they believe,and continue their way of life,b/c sins are all forgiven.
(b)those believers who do His will have lived by His Rules in & under 'His nominated church' as defined in Matt.16:13-19.and hope for His compassion & mercy.
---MIC on 1/23/09


Luke 12:40_41: "Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?"

Luke 12:46: "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers."

With the unbelievers?
---Nana on 1/22/09


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Rhonda,

Future sins are covered because Jesus died for ALL of our sins. Yes, we should obey God, a genuinely repented Christian will not want to have carte blanche to sin. The Bible encourages us to overcome, hold fast and obey, but as long as we're in the body, we WILL sin. Any Christian who tells you he/she doesn't sin anymore is, quite frankly, a liar.

Tossing out the NT would not be advisable, keeping the law can't save us either. Paul himself didn't claim to be a perfect Christian, so if we examine ourselves and abide in Gods word, the Holy Spirit will keep us in line.
---Laurie on 1/22/09


To be told to OVERCOME and OBEY God and to HOLD FAST that no one take your crown. Has to do with disobedience and being a wayward son or daughte it is a far cry from condemning someone to hell.
---mima on 1/22/09


Mima: A believer is not punished for sins committed. We are forgiven. However, our rewards, or crowns, will not be as great as someone who lives more obediently.
---Trish9863 on 1/22/09


so our failure to keep God's laws will not condemn us
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sins for past are removed at Baptism ...sins for future are a true Christians responsibility

if future sins are "covered" and "christians" have carte blanche to do whatever they please then we can toss out NT continuing along in doing whatever if the reasoning is Gods laws are not required

NT has dozens of verses telling true Christians to OVERCOME and OBEY God and to HOLD FAST that no one take your crown ...if these are reasoned away as fluff then "christianity" is a hoax
---Rhonda on 1/22/09


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since the blood of Jesus is available to remit wrongs, the judgement seat doesnt judge "wrongs" it judges "works".
works are either as wood, hay, stubble.. or gold, silver, or precious jewels.

what makes works either combustible or immune to fire?

i'd say that works out of a sense of duty, self righteous.. can be easiy burned up. while works out of motivation of compassion and faithfulness to God have lasting value.

either way, the Christian loses what's burned and gets rewarded in what's valuable.
---opalgal on 1/22/09


MIMA:-When you quote please read the whole tract not just the part you percieve is Truth.Paul's speaks to Timothy as he Hands responsibility to Timothy. Read REv3and 4 as one complete textup to 2TIM: 4-8. You already know what this will bring on you.
---Mic on 1/22/09


2 Timothy 4:3_7: "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears, And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:"
2 Timothy 4:9_10 "Do thy diligence to come shortly unto me:
For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica"

What about Demas?
---Nana on 1/21/09


For there to be punishment there must be condemnation i:e damnatory sentencing. Therefore I would say no. For "[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.." and He is fully able to present His faithful faultless in His presence. Yet "we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body, according to that he hath done, whether [it be] good or bad. He that does wrong shall receive for the wrong which he has done: and there is no respect of persons." There will be no punishment, however there will be loss.
Refs. Rom 8:1>2Cor 5:10>Col.3:25>1Cor 3:15
---Josef on 1/22/09


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"Mima: Are you speaking of wrongs before salvation, or afterward?
---Trish9863 on 1/21/09"
To Trish let me say, sin is sin, so whether before or after salvation makes no difference. Is not God's ability to forgive sin constant and the same at all-times. His going to the cross will not be repeated. When John said," behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of of the world" he mentioned no time limit such as before or after concerning forgiveness.
---mima on 1/22/09


The special treatment a Christian will receive will be that they will be told they have no excuse for their continual sinning, since Jesus was sent by God to warn them to stop sinning. Those who have the Holy Spirit, however, have someone who justifies them for whatever sins they were provoked into doing on the spur of the moment. When we live in the world we have a cloak for our sins (Jesus), but our feet get dirty by being in this evil world. Those who ignore the warnings of Jesus have no cloak for their sins.
---frances008 on 1/21/09


The Judgment Seat of Christ is where Christians are judged, and rewarded, for deeds done in the body. What form this takes is not clearly explained, but the Bible tells us that Jesus paid for ALL of our sins, past, present and future, so our failure to keep God's laws will not condemn us. The unbeliever, whose sins are not forgiven, will suffer eternal punishment.

The Bible says if you break one law, you are guilty of all. If our salvation depended on keeping God's laws, nobody would make it. When a person repents, their mindset is different. Whereas before they didn't care if they sinned, now they are trying to please God. Keeping God's laws will not save them, but breaking them is no longer what a Christian wants to do.
---Laurie on 1/21/09


Mima, You're suggesting that being born again (as the fundamentalists view it) is a licence to sin?
---1st_cliff on 1/21/09


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Mima: Are you speaking of wrongs before salvation, or afterward?
---Trish9863 on 1/21/09


punished ,no,but all his works will be brought to light,and those found acceptable will be rewarded,and those not will burn.
---tom2 on 1/21/09


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