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Dead In Christ Shall Rise

I was having a conversation with my dad about salvation (I don't believe he's saved). He asked me that if a Christian goes to be with the Lord at their death, what does it mean in the Bible when it says "the dead in Christ shall rise" when talking about his second coming?

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Mark Eaton: "This is not a misrepresentation of Scripture."

Yes it is. Here's how:

The original text was without punctuation, as:

verily I say unto thee today shalt thou be with me in paradise

Depending on whether you put the comma before or after the word "today" changes the entire meaning. If it is before, then the meaning harmonizes with the rest of scripture. If after, as you believe, then you have a conflict with Joh 20:17 where Jesus states that He had not yet ascended 2 days later.
---jerry6593 on 7/28/09


Gina: "Paul is also very explicit..."

More like 'Eugene Peterson is very explicit'. And I don't understand how 1Th4:13-14 refutes my position. But anyways...

More on 2Co5. The verse in question (v8) ought to be interpreted in light of the context of the chapter, no? Ok, Paul employs imagery that, I believe, makes the case for the soul's ability to be 'absent from the body'. He compares our present bodies to 'tents' (v1) and resurrection bodies to 'houses from heaven' (v2). Taking his analogy seriously, I would argue that Paul is making that point that our bodies 'house' our spirits, and upon death we are 'naked' (v3) or 'unclothed' (v4) until the resurrection.

(Also, what about 2Co12:2?)
---Bobby3 on 7/27/09


Please provide scripture to prove that the saint are already in heaven when scripture said the dead in Christ shall rise first. The Saint were mere men as we are and as Rev points out await the next coming of Christ.

He said :


Jhn 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Jhn 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself, that where I am, [there] ye may be also.

Like I said don't misinterpreted scripture because you heard it from the pulpit go search the scriptures for yourself and read them in context.

Scripture reveals scripture not contradict.
---Carla3939 on 7/28/09


When you read the bible you need to read it with common sense and of course the Holy Spirit Just because one man went to paradise it don't mean all men go the same way I doubt that Christ meant that the thief would be with him in heaven. there is no mention of him being there with Christ anywhere in scripture!

Not even the Saints are in heaven and any way thats not the heaven we will be going to for all will be done away with along with the earth and replaced with our fathers final destination. If your life is right and your name is written in the Lambs Book of life that's possibly the heaven Christ is speaking about this day for the thief can be like the time passed in sleep no one knows or is aware of that time it passes like a blink.
---Carla3939 on 7/27/09


Carla:

Please explain what Jesus meant when He said to the thief beside him on the cross in Luke 23:43 "Today you will be with me in Paradise".

Where is your waiting in the death and the grave? Where is the resting place for souls?

Jesus is taking this man straight to heaven.

This is not a misrepresentation of Scripture. You have the misrepresentation of scripture.

Death and the grave are where the BODIES of the lost people are, not their souls.

The martyrs under the altar in Rev. 6 are asking for God to avenge them. They are not waiting there, as in Pergutory. The scene takes place in heaven, where God is.

Get your theology right.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/27/09




The notion that you rise and go straight to heaven is a misrepresentation of scripture. People who are too reoccupied with going straight to heaven forgot to read the scriptures concerning death and the grave, which is the resting place of souls, the bible speaks of an alter where the saints await crying when will our deaths be avenged, If they are waiting how will you go straight to heaven. Every man/woman will give an account before the Judgment seat of Christ.

Your father did well to point this out to you he is silently seeking and I believe that he is going to get saved.
---Carla3939 on 7/27/09


Gina: Concerning Paul's use of the expression "absent from the body - present with the Lord," have you considered that he possibly used this expression as a metaphor similar to our current expression "I'm with you in spirit?" For example:

1Co 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed

He also uses the same metaphor 5 times in 2Cor. Consider also that the "body" is a metaphor for the Church - the "Body of Christ." Thus, although Paul was at the time absent from the Church at Corinth, he was present with God in his daily walk with Jesus. So may we be in our daily walks.
---jerry6593 on 7/27/09


To answer your dad's question, a body without a soul is a corpse. A soul without a body is a ghost.

It takes both to be the FULL human being. Whatever we existence we have after we die is just temporary unto the Resurrection.

\\ Gina: "Moses was resurrected per the new testament book of Jude..."

Couple of questions: Jude never said Moses was resurrected. Do you have anything other Scriptures to back up the idea that Moses was resurrected?\\

It would seem to me that the appearance of Moses at the Transfiguration was a temporary resuscitation. Elijah, otoh, never suffered physical death.
---Cluny on 7/27/09


Gina: "Moses was resurrected per the new testament book of Jude..."

Couple of questions: Jude never said Moses was resurrected.

---Bobby3 on 7/24/09

Jude has Michael the Archangel argueing with the devil over the dead body of Moses. Now why do you think that happened? If they wanted to argue about him, why not do that anywhere? Instead it was done at his grave, and Michael rebuked the devil, and Moses was resurrected.

Since only those who were resurrected (or taken to heaven in bodily form as Elijah was) and given back their body could appear to anyone, there is no way Moses could have appeared in the transfiguration in bodily form if he had not already been resurrected! Mark 9:4 and 8.
---Gina7 on 7/25/09


Moses was highly favored. God spoke to him face to face, which He did with no other, but spoke to them in visions and dreams (Numbers 12:6-8) When Moses made a mistake, he was allowed to fall under the power of death, and not go over the river Jordan into the Promised Land (but was allowed to see it) (Deut 32:51,52)

It only makes sense that once Moses died, He was resurrected and taken to the true Promised Land (Jude 9). He talked to God face to face on earth, and was taken to heaven, to continue speaking face to face. He was obviously resurrected in bodily form, as he met with Jesus in the transfiguration as a person in a body, not a spirit energy form (Mark 9:4,8)
---Gina7 on 7/25/09




"The soul that turneth after such as have 'FAMILIAR SPIRITS,' and after 'Wizards,' to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will CUT HIM OFF FROM AMONG HIS PEOPLE." Lev. 20:6.

Leviticus 20:6 (The Message)

6 "I will resolutely reject persons who dabble in the occult or traffic with mediums, prostituting themselves in their practices. I will cut them off from their people.



Saul went against God by going to the Medium and conjuring up a demon/evil angel impersonating Samuel. Was not Saul removed as king and David put in his place?
---Gina7 on 7/25/09


'We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord' (2Co5:8). Upon death, the individual leaves the body and goes to be with the Lord. Paul is very explicit here.
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No you have misunderstood scripture and IMPLIED this idea. Scripture does not contradict itself ONLY MEN dismiss BASIC scripture creating lies to serve the god of this world 2Corin 4:4

BASIC scripture tells us that at death ALL people know nothing, their thoughts perish, and are separated from God ...reconciled at the resurrection 1Corin 15:51 which is why it IS a mystery to self professing religious christianity
---Rhonda on 7/24/09


Gina: "Moses was resurrected per the new testament book of Jude..."

Couple of questions: Jude never said Moses was resurrected. Do you have anything other Scriptures to back up the idea that Moses was resurrected?

Also, what do you make of what happened in 1Sam28, when Samuel made an appearance after his death?
---Bobby3 on 7/24/09


(2Co5:8). Upon death, the individual leaves the body and goes to be with the Lord. Paul is very explicit here.
--Bobby3 on 7/24/09

Paul is also very explicit in Thessalonians--

1 Thessalonians 4:13-14 (The Message)

The Master's Coming
13-14 And regarding the question, friends, that has come up about what happens to those already dead and buried, we don't want you in the dark any longer. First off, you must not carry on over them like people who have nothing to look forward to, as if the grave were the last word. Since Jesus died and broke loose from the grave, God will most certainly bring back to life those who died in Jesus. So reassure one another with these words
---Gina7 on 7/24/09


Gina: "...this is why Paul said to be absent from the body..."

'We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord' (2Co5:8). Upon death, the individual leaves the body and goes to be with the Lord. Paul is very explicit here.

'I knew a man...(whether in the body, I cannot tell, or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth,) such an one caught up to the third heaven' (2Co12:2). If being out of the body were impossible, why would Paul be uncertain about whether this man was 'caught up' in or out of the body? (And obviously, this was a conscious experience.)
---Bobby3 on 7/24/09


Shawn, the dead in Christ will rise at the Second Coming of Christ. The dead in Christ are those genuine believers who have died and their physical bodies are in the grave or wherever they might be. The bodies will be transformed from corruptable to incorruptable, from mortal to immortality prepared for eternal glory with the Lord.
---MarkV. on 7/23/09


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"The dead in Christ" refers to those who are saved. It is their spirit which goes to be with the Lord. It is this same spirit that returns with the Lord at his second coming , and it that time our spirits will be rejoined or reunited with a seeable body. And it is these seeable bodies that rise to meet the Lord and our spirits.
---mima on 7/22/09


Paul also alludes to the reality of being with the Lord immediately after death (2Co5:6,8, 2Co12:2-4, Php1:23).
---Bobby3 on 7/21/09

In death, there is no consciousness, therefore no way to know how much time has passed. One dies, and the next thing the Christian knows, is the second coming. It is as if it occurred instantly, but it really has not. Many years may have passed since death and the 2nd coming/resurrection. Therefore this is why Paul said to be absent from the body and present with the Lord. He knew that to die, meant the very next thing he would know, is the 2nd coming and to be with the Lord.
---Gina7 on 7/22/09


Moses' appearance during Jesus' Transfiguration.
---Bobby3 on 7/21/09

Elijah and Moses appearing to Jesus represent those who will be alive and changed at Christ's coming (Elijah) and those who will be resurrected from the dead at Christ's coming (Moses) for Moses was resurrected per the new testament book of Jude in verse 9 (a dispute over the body of Moses where the devil did not want to give up the body saying accusations against him but he was rebuked, and Moses was resurrected)
---Gina7 on 7/22/09


I was having a conversation with my dad about salvation (I don't believe he's saved). He asked me that if a Christian goes to be with the Lord at their death, what does it mean in the Bible when it says "the dead in Christ shall rise" when talking about his second coming? Shawn on 1/29/09


Shawn, this scripture is talking about the Rapture of the Church.
---kathr4453 on 7/22/09


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Needs to be repeated:
"And Jesus said, "Today salvation has come to this house, because he also is a son of Abraham, for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost" This passage is only one that clearly states that the Son of Man came to seek and save that which was lost." He is restoring that which was lost. I suppose Jesus was using some BAD STUFF "restoration theology."
---MarkV. on 7/21/09


Part2, please.

The typical objections to this include quotations from Ecclesiastes. A citation of Ecc in this regard is problematic, I believe, and misses completely the point of the book. The book is written from the point of view of the man wrestling with the apparent futility of life on earth. Consider Ecc3:19- "For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts...as the one dieth, so dieth the other...so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast..." Is man nothing more than just another type of animal?

Through his internal debate, the author comes to the conclusion that life on earth does indeed matter, for the Lord sees what is done and will judge accordingly (Ecc12:13,14).
---Bobby3 on 7/21/09


And part3, please again.

Another typical objection cites Jesus' words to Mary in Jn20:17 ("Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father"). This argument, I believe, fails to consider what is meant by 'ascended to my Father'. Is Jesus referring to His soul going up to heaven? Or might He be alluding to something else? Consider Ac1:9, Eph4:8-10, Da7:13,14. These verses speak of Jesus departing bodily from the earth and then, according to Daniel, being given 'dominion, and glory, and a kingdom'. We can, therefore, explain Jn20:17 as referring specifically to Jesus' bodily ascension to the throne of heaven after His resurrection (which hadn't happened yet as of Jn20).
---Bobby3 on 7/21/09


I believe there is ample evidence from Scripture of a disembodied conscious existence after death. Some of this evidence has been cited by others on this blog, namely Jesus' words to the thief on the cross and the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. To add to this, I would also point to Samuel's appearance after his death in 1Samuel 28 and Moses' appearance during Jesus' Transfiguration. Paul also alludes to the reality of being with the Lord immediately after death (2Co5:6,8, 2Co12:2-4, Php1:23).
---Bobby3 on 7/21/09


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Acts 1:6
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

MarkV, the ONLY thing to be restored is the Kingdom to Israel at the second coming. This restoration will be for 1000 years.

However the CHURCH is not restored....we are a New Creation. Something completely and totally NEW.

You will find nowhere that Begotten Sons through Jesus Christ are restored anything. AND EVEN Adam & Eve were never begotten Sons through Jesus Christ in the first place to be restored.

Please know the difference.

Look up the definition of restoration.
---kathr4453 on 7/21/09


Mark ... No you are not wrong, and I am not right ,,, I make no suich claim

But Mark, you have NOT answered my questions!

That's the problem.

And when I ask you to tell me how I have misunderstood your belief, you don't tell me
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/21/09


And Jesus said, "Today salvation has come to this house, because he also is a son of Abraham, for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost" This passage is only one that clearly states that the Son of Man came to seek and save that which was lost. He is restoring that which was lost. I suppose Jesus was using some BAD STUFF "restoration theology."
---MarkV. on 7/21/09


3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

The CHURCH...
---kathr4453 on 7/21/09


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Alan, I concided to you on another blog. I am surrendering to you. You are right and I am wrong. Your questions are correct and mine are wrong. I will not answer any of your questions again. I said that before and I did, for some reason I did answer you, I will try not to this time. Please forgive me. Peace I leave you. Have a nice day.
---MarkV. on 7/21/09


Alan, in my answer I did not call you one name. Not a one and if you read it again it is my opinion as to your answers. I never said you lied or spoke falsely, I never said anything to you that would cause you to get angry with me. It was my opinion after all the answers I have given you. Right now you have an opinion of me. If you give it I will not be mad. It will only tell me how you see me through my post. I don't know you and I have told you we could have discuss many things since we have a lot in common, but I suppose that is hard to do when I believe in one thing and you another. And I sure cannot convince you and give you more then what I have since I gave you Scripture. It was not good enough so there is no more to give.
---MarkV. on 7/20/09


MarkV says ... "please refrain from calling anyone names or getting angry with anyone or even making bad remarks to others"

And this is the man who said elsehwere: "Why is it that when I bring the right of God to do what He so desires with His creation everyone jumps up and screams bloody murder?"

Yes Mark, please refrain from getting aqngry!!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/20/09


Everything in scripture is about restoring back what was lost. ....
---Mark_V on 7/17/09


MarkV, this is where you are absolutely positively wrong. We are not being restored back to what we were before Adam & Eve sinned.

This is called Restoration Theology. BAD STUFF!

Adam & Eve were NEVER promised SONSHIP and joint heirs with Christ...begotten sons through Jesus Christ...NEVER!

If Adam & Eve Never sinned. they would still be flesh of the earth...earthly.

Those in Christ are no longer known after the Flesh or the first Adam. Our History in Adam ended at Calvary. The New Cretion..His Church..Body has a HEAVENLY calling and position HEAVENLY...again never promised to Adam & Eve.
---kathr4453 on 7/20/09


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MarkV ... These are things you said to me, when all I had asked was wehter I had understood your beleifs correctly:

"you don't want to accept any Truth"

"you believe you have the Truth already no matter what the Bible has to say about it"

"you refuse with everything you have to not listen and to fight back with opinions only

" you will refuse out of pure pride.

"you will not even try to understand it"

(And you still did not answer!)

And you have the nerve to say to Gina: "please refrain from calling anyone names or getting angry with anyone or even making bad remarks to others"

"Do unto others ..." springs to mind
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/20/09


Joh 14:1-3 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself, that where am, there ye may be also.

So, exactly how can Jesus come back to "receive me unto Himself" if I am already with Him in heaven? Apparently, I will be sleeping in the grave as did Lazarus and as are David and Stephen.
---jerry6593 on 7/20/09


Gina, you and everyone, please refrain from calling anyone names or getting angry with anyone or even making bad remarks to others. Too many blogs are disappearing because of the strive. We can all discuss scripture without the bad remarks. Not that you have made any but just a warning.
---MarkV. on 7/20/09


"For the living know that they shall die, but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten" Ecclesiastes 9:5

"Whatsover thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might, for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, wither thou goest" Ecc 9:10

"God shall judge the righteous and the wicked, for there is a time for every purpose and for every work" Ecc 3:17

"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God, and the books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works" Rev 20:12
---Gina7 on 7/19/09


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Then first lie that Satan gave Eve was that death as the punishment for sin was not really death, but that it brings you into a higher state of existence. Gen 3:4,5 So she ate the forbiden fruit (and so did Adam) and they would have died right then and there had not the plan of salvation been put into place. Gen 3:15

When we die, we rest in the grave awaiting the completion of the judgement (which will show who is worthy to go to heaven) and when it is complete, Jesus comes the 2nd time to take those written in the Lamb's book of life to heaven. The rest of the dead lived not again (the wicked) until the 1000 years were finished (Rev 20:5) then they come up to receive their punishment. They are not punished before this.
---Gina7 on 7/18/09


Part 1

1 Thessalonians 4:13-14 (The Message)

The Master's Coming
13-14 And regarding the question, friends, that has come up about what happens to those already dead and buried, we don't want you in the dark any longer. First off, you must not carry on over them like people who have nothing to look forward to, as if the grave were the last word. Since Jesus died and broke loose from the grave, God will most certainly bring back to life those who died in Jesus. So reassure one another with these words.
---Gina7 on 7/18/09


Gina, in answer to your question why have the body resurrected when the spirit of the person is with the Lord, I would say so that God can restore man the way He made him before the fall. Everything in scripture is about restoring back what was lost. When we receive our new bodies we will be complete in Christ forever for this time there will be no more sin.
---Mark_V on 7/17/09


By these things, then, it is plainly declared that souls continue to exist that they do not pass from body to body, that they possess the form of a man, so that they may be recognised, and retain the memory of things in this world, moreover, that the gift of prophecy was possessed by Abraham, and that each class [of souls] receives a habitation such as it has deserved, even before the judgment.
--Irenaeus, Against Heresies (c. 180ad)
---MIchael on 7/16/09


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Samuel:

Even if the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man is just a story, Jesus never lied about something in the story and He never invented something totally new to prove His point. So, we must conclude what He said about the the men going to Hades or Abraham's bosom must be true.

I say all this to prove that according to Jesus, we DO in fact go somewhere after death. This is contrary to many posts in this blog.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/16/09


Samuel, Jesus said, "Unto Your hands I commit My Spirit" clearly Jesus in His deity of God was with the Father before He died a physical death.
---MarkV. on 7/16/09


Mark:Please explain Jesus telling about Lazarus and the rich man (Luke 16).

Samuel, in most commentaries you will find this story listed under parables. Like the virgins at the wedding. The story is to prove a point. JESUS did resurrect Lazarus and the leaders still did not believe. If you are right then JESUS hurt people by resurrecting them.

Mark, What about Jesus telling the thief on the cross "this day you will be with me in Paradise".

Samuel JESUS said he had not yet gone to his father at the resurrection. Some teach he went to hell. That would have the thief in hell not paradise. JESUS made the promise of the resurrection that day. Yes the Spirit of all return to GOD. But we are body and Spirit combined.
---Samuel on 7/16/09


Gina:

Please explain Jesus telling about Lazarus and the rich man (Luke 16). When they died, Lazarus went to Abrahams bosom and the rich man went to Hades. Did Jesus lie?

What about Jesus telling the thief on the cross "this day you will be with me in Paradise". Did He lie there also?

I would suggest you re-think your position. The resurrection is about your physical body and it is your spirit which leaves your body upon death. Your spirit goes to be with the Lord while your body stays asleep on the earth.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/15/09


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When we die as Christians, our body goes to the grave and our spirit man goes to heaven. On resurrection day, Jesus unites the body with the spirit.
-donna8365 1/30/09
When in Sunday school at So Baptist church, we read 1 Thes 4:13-18 and the question was posed "Why have a resurrection if the dead go to heaven at death?". Why say "confort one another with these words" vs 18 if the comfort should instead be that the dead are in heaven, not that they will be one day resurrected and taken to heaven. If you have been alive, even in spirit form, why say "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory" 1 Cor 15:55 at the resurrection? It was then that I realized, the dead do not go to heaven at death.
---Gina7 on 7/11/09


Ken: "WOW after reading all these blogs if I didn`t know GODS word i`d b really confused.
---Ken on 6/11/09"

Don't feel bad. The vast majority of Christians don't know their Bibles very well. They generally get their beliefs from the opinions of men rather than the plain teachings of scripture.
---jerry6593 on 6/28/09


Shawn: It sounds like your dad may know the Bible better than you. The Bible nowhere states that the dead go to heaven at death. They sleep in the grave until the resurrection at Jesus second coming. Check out what happened to Stephen when he was stoned to death. The Bible says he FELL ASLEEP. Jesus himself said that Lazarus was sleeping when he was actually dead.
---jerry6593 on 6/20/09


Suggestion: do an online KJV bible search for the word "soul."
---Steveng on 6/19/09


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The expression "the dead in Christ shall rise" is a reference to the 1st resurrecton at Jesus's 2nd coming, when those who chose to accept Him as their Savior will come out of the tombs to be changed and to be lifted up to meet him in the air, to begn their heavenbound journey.
---Pierr5358 on 6/17/09


WOW after reading all these blogs if I didn`t know GODS word i`d b really confused.
---Ken on 6/11/09


1st cliff, the reality is that your mind is your soul and your spiritual body. What did Jesus say to the man on the cross next to Him? TODAY you will be with Me in paradise. He didn't have to decay to get there! You're thinking natural rather than supernatural. Our God is a supernatural God, and His ways are much higher than ours. Your soul is your eternal self not your physical brain, but it is more real than the body you live in now.
---Bryan on 2/6/09

Sorry, But Not even Jesus ascended into heaven that day, for 3 day's he in the belly of the earth, then he rose and spoke to a couple people and told them not to touch him because he hadn't ascend unto his Father yet, it's then that the man on the cross went to paridise
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 2/9/09


Our Lord went to build the New Jerusalem that shall descend from the heavens after
J-Day.
When he left he said he was going to build it and that he would return for us so that we would be where he is.
The fact that he has to come for us again means that we don't go to him when we die.
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 2/9/09


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Shauwn_You can tell your dad that the dead DON't go to Heaven when they die, but to a place of rest...

Many people think that your Spirit goes to heaven to wait for the bodies that have turn to dust to take on a human form again for your spirit to return too when he gives his shout"Come up Hither", when actually it's the other way around, Your Spirit rest and when that call is given our Spirits meet in the heavens for our new bodies.

Many think this because of whats written in Rev."How much longer Lord before you take vengance on our deaths" as if their sitting right their with him, The place of rest is UNDER his Alter.
How can the Dead rise, IF they've already risen?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 2/8/09


oops that should read CE not BCE or AD as some prefer!
---1st_cliff on 2/8/09


Bryan, Your answers lack scripture backing!

Quoting "part" of a scripture to prove a point is deliberately misleading when the balance of the verse tells the whole story

IE "truly I tell you today you will be with me in paradise" (is the whole verse) Luke 23.43.
Placing a comma changes the whole meaning!
Punctuation was not invented 'till 1500 BCE

"That" day He was in the grave..hardly "paradise" right?
Correct punctuation is today >,< comma after!
---1st_cliff on 2/7/09


1st cliff, the reality is that your mind is your soul and your spiritual body. What did Jesus say to the man on the cross next to Him? TODAY you will be with Me in paradise. He didn't have to decay to get there! You're thinking natural rather than supernatural. Our God is a supernatural God, and His ways are much higher than ours. Your soul is your eternal self not your physical brain, but it is more real than the body you live in now.
---Bryan on 2/6/09


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Let's get out of fantasy and into reality.
Your brain dictates who you are and your personality that makes you unique!

Your brain (thinking capacity) cannot be separated from your body! This is the complete YOU!

At death it decays with the body.

Only God can bring it back to life via resurrection. As he did with Lazarus and Jesus!

Nothing but your breath,spirit (pneuma) leaves the body at death!
---1st_cliff on 2/5/09


Donna: ?
---jerry6593 on 2/5/09


Bryan,

Amen! The empty tomb is one of the most important ways we know Jesus rose bodily. He's alive! The eye-witness testimony of those who saw and touched the nail prints in His hands and the hole in His side is also evidence of the fact that He was not merely a spirit, His body had been changed. Our Lord has conquered death!

Jesus said "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Catherine,

You're right, the bodily resurrection of Jesus is essential to salvation. Paul said if He didn't rise, then we are still in our sin. He also said if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
---Laurie on 2/4/09


If the resurrection were not a bodily resurrection, then what happened to Jesus' body when He rose from the dead? Our bodies will be raise, but we will be transformed from terrestrial to celestial, from corruptible to incorruptible! We will be changed in the twinkling of an eye! We will receive our new bodies that can not be tempted with sin any longer! We will become equal to the angels. It will still be our bodies, but glorified by our God Jesus! Amen! Read 1 Cor 15:35-58! It is written! The body is sown in corruption, and it is raised in incorruption! The dust will remain in the earth, but we will have our spiritual bodies! We will still worship, work, and eat. We just won't sin!
---Bryan on 2/4/09


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Catherine, Since you made the statement,you can show us what scripture says the resurrection is "bodily"! OK?
---1st_cliff on 1/31/09


Biblical teaching...The resurrection is bodily, and is essential to receive the full redemptive, atoning work of God. Salvation is not COMPLETE until the body experiences full redemption. Conversely, eternal damnation is not COMPLETE until unbelievers experiences the pain and anguish of hell in body and soul. How our bodies [new], will look like is somewhat of a mystery. A note: As a result of the resurrection of Jesus human lives were TRANSFORMED [new birth]. Resurrection for the saved in simple form...A new body, a new dwelling, and new clothing.
---catherine on 1/31/09


A Friend is not really "a friend" when they preach falsehood!

Citing Gen 3.19. "for DUST you are and to DUST you will return" Not "spirit"

Nowhere in scripture are we called "spirits"

Adam was created a "living SOUL" Gen 2.7.

Back up your statement that when we die our spirit goes either to heaven or hell! (remember parables are only illustrations,not fact)

Psl.146.4 All thought "parishes"
---1st_cliff on 1/31/09


Donna: "Spirit man?" Can you please share with us where the Bible speaks of such a fellow? I've never seen it! My Bible tells me that man is composed of dust of the earth and the breath of life from God. That's it! No spirit-man involved at all.
---jerry6593 on 1/31/09


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Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.

Job 14:12-15 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. Thou shalt call, and will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.
---jerry6593 on 1/31/09


First of all the Spirit goes to be with the Lord, at the rapture the body is rised to reunite with the spirit and is glorified.
---a_friend on 1/30/09


Our spirit is the "real us." We are a spirit and have a soul (mind, will and emotions) that lives in a body. There is a cultic teaching that talks about "soul sleep" which is not scriptural. When people die, they do not enter into a state of eternal sleep, neither do they cease to exist. When we die, our body will go into the ground to decay and return to dust, but our body is not who we really are (Genesis 3:19). Our spirit, when we die, goes either to hell or to be with the Father in heaven. There is no in-between place, heavenly sleep or state of non-existence.
---a_friend on 1/30/09


Shawn,Nowhere in the bible does it say "resurrection of the body" Fundamentalists say reuniting of soul and body because they don't believe people actually die!

Problem-- If you get along in heaven quite well with/without a body why would you need to come back here and get a fleshy one??

Make sense?? NOT at all!

The flaw comes in believing that the soul never dies.One problem creates another.etc..
---1st_cliff on 1/30/09


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Hi shawn,
The dead in Christ in 1 Thes. 4:16 refers to Christians who died before the return of Christ. Paul was reassuring these early Christians that loved ones who had died before the return to Christ would not miss the rapture. He tells them that they will be called back from the grave and everyone will meet the lord in the air together. What a glorious day that will be!!
---pg1 on 1/30/09


I agree with tom2. When we die as Christians, our body goes to the grave and our spirit man goes to heaven.

On resurrection day, Jesus unites the body with the spirit.

P.S. There is not one scripture that backs up creamation. Even the people that sinned against the Holy Spirit in the New Testament were burried.
---donna8365 on 1/30/09


This what I heard in my spirit when I was praying over this text many years ago. I came from the ones who believe that your body will raise up from the grave, well, I question that and the Holy Spirit lead me to the many Scriptures stating that one must die to self and be born again in Christ. The ones who truly die to live in Christ are the dead in Christ who will arise with him in the moment and the twinkling of the eye. We will ride with HIM in the Battle against the fallen and will be victorius with HIM and reign with HIM eternally. YEA and Amen!!
---Brenda on 1/30/09


Here's another one for you:

If souls go to heaven at death, then what on earth was Jesus talking about when He said: "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself, that where I am, there ye may be also." - Joh 14:2,3

Why need He come back to get us if we were already with Him in heaven?

Answer: We were not in heaven - we were asleep in the grave, awaiting the resurrection at His second coming.
---jerry6593 on 1/30/09


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God's people knows. We don't just believe, we know. "That absent from the body is to be present with the Lord". When the dead rises in the Lord then we will be given new bodies. A body just like Jesus' A glorified body. Until then our spirit stays with the Lord. And until then good day.
---catherine on 1/30/09


It means exactly what it says. This is the 'first' general resurrection. No one other than Jesus has risen from the dead, [never to die again]. The word resurrection literally means-to rise from the dead--to be raised to life again-and there are only two (Jhn 5:29). The first for those who died in Christ, the second for the rest (Rev. 20:5). 1Cor. 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, 'at the last trump': for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead [Lifeless] shall be raised incorruptible, and we [living overcomers] shall be changed. 1Th. 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with 'the trump of God': and the dead in Christ shall rise [to life] first:"
---Josef on 1/30/09


Well, we do have, "We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord." (2 Corinthians 5:8) And we see in Revelation 6:9 the "souls" under Heaven's altar, but "it was said that they should rest" (in Revelation 6:11). Ones believe souls sleep, after death. But in your sleep you can dream and do a lot of things with people in your dreams. You can walk in your sleep and be pretty busy (o: With Jesus, I'm not sure how much a soul of His would be able to stay asleep, with the One such as Christ (o: > "the dead in Christ" are dead and "sleep in Jesus" (1 Thessalonians 4:14), as far as THIS life is concerned.
---Bill_bila5659 on 1/29/09


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