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Obama Is Bankrupting America

What is your best guess in how long the Obama spending spree will take before bankrupting the USA?

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America was bankrupt long before Obama took office... he's just re-digging Jacobs wells
---Allan2777 on 6/1/09


with all the bailout money that is supposed to be used to stimulate the economy, has it done any good? where has it all went? Now I'm thinking that the gov used it to buy controlling interest in the auto industry. For what reasons? to control us. Also bho wants to get into the computer business to save us from "spyware". I'm thinking its to spy on us. So the gov can tell where we are going and what we do on the internet. The bailout money is being used to control us, Pure and simple....wayne 5363.
---wayne on 5/31/09


RHONDA,
I didn't say the Fed wasn't private, and I never said our currency of the Fed is backed by gold, Nixon took us off the gold standard in 1971. My point is that all paper currency (look it up) historically has eventually lost its value and had to be reissued or traded for coins. My point is that metal never will go to zero and will thus always be an option.
Meanwhile money is NOT created out of thin air but rather created out of a promise (i.e. fiat). This means paper money is a promisary note and thus even printing it to excess has serious consequences.
Look what has happened this week as the dollar has fallen and what has happened to gold and silver. Metals are on a run and so is oil as I predicted on this blog.
---larry on 5/29/09


"At a White House conference earlier this year on the government's budget problems, a roomful of tax experts pleaded with Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner to consider a VAT. A recent flurry of books and papers on the subject is attracting genuine, if furtive, interest in Congress. And last month, after wrestling with the White House over the massive deficits projected under Obama's policies, the chairman of the Senate Budget Committee declared that a VAT should be part of the debate.

"There is a growing awareness of the need for fundamental tax reform," Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) said in an interview. "I think a VAT and a high-end income tax have got to be on the table."- Washington Post
---ralph7477 on 5/29/09


Larry you do understand HOW the Federal Reserve operates don't you?

Federal Reserve is NOT backed by Gold or any other precious metal

Federal Reserve is not a government entity

Federal Reserve creates money out of thin air

TRUTH is government is financially upside down ...the powers that we SEE are not the powers that BE ...the money shortage will be FUNDED by the citizens

US is about to enter slavery ...enslaved to the government ...US will be enslaved to MORE fee's MORE taxes ...and MORE MORE MORE of MONEY earned going to that money hungry BEAST we affectionately call government
---Rhonda on 5/28/09




The numbers are in. Federal tax revenue plunged 34% in April vs. a year ago.
---ralph7477 on 5/28/09

Once again, Chicken Little is claiming the sky is falling. Nowhere has the Obama administration said they wanted a VAT. In fact, "A White House official said a VAT is "unlikely to be in the mix" as a means to pay for health-care reform."

As far as revenue plunging, this goes back LONG before Obama became president. Come back and see us after Obama has been in office for a year....
---NurseRobert on 5/28/09


The numbers are in. Federal tax revenue plunged 34% in April vs. a year ago. Income tax revenues have dropped 44% from a year ago. Deficits are now projected to be even higher than forecast. Gee, big surprise.

So what is the liberal solution? Cut spending? Ha, don't be ridiculous. Liberal policy makers are now proposing, and in some instances pleading, that the Government consider a Value Added Tax. In other words, a national sales tax imposed on products and services at each point of distribution from manufacture to retail and charged to the consumer. Suggested tax rates range from 10-25 percent.

Liberals have instituted unsustainable spending. They need your money...badly. They will do what it takes to get it.
---ralph7477 on 5/28/09


StrongAxe, you are confusing bankruptcy and the value of paper currency. We can always print money, go to coins only and have gold and other precious metals as permanent residuals of value. Promisary notes are not real value they are fiat statements.
You probably didn't know precious metals (gold, silver) are unreported assets and considered wealth. We don't tax wealth we tax money which is the reason the government attempts to control all large reserves of gold. There is no CEO of gold and no place for it on your 1040. We will never be technically bankrupt as long as there is metal. That is why smart people have 10-15% of their portfolios in precious metals. Its protection for that which you fear and will never go to zero.
---larry on 5/4/09


The issues have moved passed democrats and republicans. It's now good .vs. evil. Whats going on now is the private sector being put down by the adminstration. Ofcourse we can still have a vote come 2010 if its not too late to turn things around.
And BHO making fun of us as he said "waving our little TEA bags". Shows how insinsitive he is to us not wanting our taxes being raised. Yes i'll wave my TEA bag. He doesn't have a clue of what it takes to make free interprize work.
---wayne on 5/4/09


The issue isn't Fox or CNN, its whether Obama is bankrupting the US. The issue isn't whether Bush and the republicans were doing it too, it is whether Obama and his political friends are doing now. We can't continue down this path spending trillions more than we take in. I think every republican and democrat that has voted for iresponsible bailouts and spending should be sent home at the next election. The projection is that we will have close to 10 trillion in debt at the end of an Obama presidency. If that is the case, that equals about $133,000 of government debt for a family of 4. That is on top of school debt, car debt and home debt and credit card debt. We are effectively bankrupting our nation and enslaving our kids and grandkids.
---Doug on 5/3/09




What is it two or three times you have sidestepped my question and failed to answer?
(So now you have to explain why what Fox reports is "claptrap." What makes it so?
---Elder on 4/19/09

Do you believe that network news should be impartial? If so, how do you justify Fox actively promoting a political event, telling people to go and they will be there to film it?
---NurseRobert on 4/20/09)

So now it is OK for the left to be partial but not the right? Did any of the other networks show up? How about as the so called Million man march? Hum....... Is only one side allowed to do this?
I watched and so have you when the right has been censored and shut off while the liberals have had free run.
---Elder on 5/3/09


"In my dreams...I've had numerous dreams come to past [pass], and I feel this one will too..." YLBD

(Deut. 18:10-12)
---Leon on 5/1/09


That's right Donna. You can always call on Ralph for a sanctimonious, bitter heave. :)
---Leon on 4/29/09

Just as we can count on your(Leon)blindness to FOLLOW/CLING to a lie and spread it.

The days of "LIBERAL" MEN/WOMEN are at an END, thank You Father!

1 good swift kick in the PANT'S(Attack)will open the eyes of MANY, SO be it, Come Lord, let it be today that the eyes of men are opened...

In my dreams, they're coming from the south, cruxifing people to telephone poles, beheading people.ect.

I've had numerous dreams come to past, and I feel this one will too, soon!
Watch & Pray that you may be found worthy to escape
---YLBD on 4/29/09


I was saying all along how opposed I was to not only the bailout spending, but to the Republican spinelessness in general. George Bush started the ball rolling, Obama supported it as senator and now he is using this economic climate to systematically nationalize everything he can.

I'm not against Obama simply because he is a Democrat. He is much worse. He's a radical activist who is ashamed of the country he leads which is why he feels the need to apologize to the world. He is the first President who actually dislikes America. He is an elitist who thinks that his government knows what's best for everyone. That's just a start.
---ralph7477 on 4/21/09

AMEN!
---YLBD on 4/29/09


That's right Donna. You can always call on Ralph for a sanctimonious, bitter heave. :)
---Leon on 4/29/09


Ralph-- Very well said. I couldn't agree with you more, nor express it half as well.
---Donna66 on 4/22/09


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When will you people wake up! The money families invest in all sides...If you follow the history of the World...the money families inject fear, and reap from the wars and strife that follow.Follow the money...and you will find the source(real reason)Unfortunately the money families just concluded a centuries long battle, and the Windsors capitulated.The One world government now has no one to stop it, and with a financial advantage of 7 to 1...get ready for your vchips
---David on 4/22/09


Alright I'll fill in the blanks. My analogies are getting...better and better all the time!

Nurse, I was saying all along how opposed I was to not only the bailout spending, but to the Republican spinelessness in general. George Bush started the ball rolling, Obama supported it as senator and now he is using this economic climate to systematically nationalize everything he can.

I'm not against Obama simply because he is a Democrat. He is much worse. He's a radical activist who is ashamed of the country he leads which is why he feels the need to apologize to the world. He is the first President who actually dislikes America. He is an elitist who thinks that his government knows what's best for everyone. That's just a start.
---ralph7477 on 4/21/09


Ralph... your analogies are getting ... well, you fill in the blanks.

The only reason you complain about Obama is because he is a Democrat. Where were you when, in the last few months of his administration, Bush was dumping billions of dollars, money the country didn't have, into the banking system?

As far as Obama being above reproach. I never said that, you just assumed I believe it. I'm not particularly happy with HOW the bailout was handled, including how much was thrown into the pot, but unlike you, as well as your friend Dudley, I recognize the same pattern that has been going on for years.
---NurseRobert on 4/21/09


Obama was voted for on the promise of "CHANGE" and openness/transparency in our Gov.,Lies and more lies, Your hatred for Bush(Repub's) has blinded you...

God & Country first, EVERYTHING else follows!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 4/21/09

Dudley, Jr.... I don't hate "Repub's", heck, I've been married to one for 33 years.

Obama has also only been in office for 3 months. You've been showing your hatred him long before he even became president.

Oh, wait, aren't you the kinder, gentler Duane????
---NurseRobert on 4/21/09


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Nurse-
Fox has news and Fox has opinion pieces. It's very clear which is which.

NBC, CNN, MSNBC have opinion pieces they call news reporting.


This is where we disagree. Fox is NO different from the other networks, they just lean to the right.


It's OK to express an opinion, only CALL it opinion or editorializing...not news reporting.
---Donna66 on 4/21/09


On this, you and I are in agreement.
---NurseRobert on 4/21/09


I left the Repub's party and reg. as an (Ind)almost 4 years ago,
Because of their spending and for their voting for things and then voting Not to fund them, ect. ect.(I'm a God & Country 1st kinda guy), I can CLEARLY see the Agenda of the Dems. & Repubs.
The Repubs. stand for things that i believe in, The Dems. have nothing to offer, But Socialism & "If it feels good do it"
(At any COST).

A "Divided House" will not stand, neither will a Nation and that "IS" from my Father too you ALL, and You, who call yourselves "Children/Sons/Daughters" of God,
act according to his word & will, So that you may partake of the Marriage Supper when the Lord given his Bride/Church.
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 4/21/09


Nurse-
Fox has news and Fox has opinion pieces. It's very clear which is which.

NBC, CNN, MSNBC have opinion pieces they call news reporting.

How is it news reporting to make obscene jokes about "tea baggers" for almost five minutes (MSNBC)? How is it news reporting for a "reporter" to call the tea bag protests "straight up racism...because a black man is in the white house" when race never even came up at the protests. How is it "news" for a "reporter" to get in the face of a protester, yell at him and not allow him to speak one word? (NBC) That's professionalism?
It's OK to express an opinion, only CALL it opinion or editorializing...not news reporting.
---Donna66 on 4/21/09


Seriously though I think that you simply can't muster up a coherent explanation for your positions. It's the same thing done by children: "Why did you hit your sister?" "Well she hit me yesterday, why don't you yell at her too?"... or people who know they are in the wrong: "Sir, I'm giving you a ticket for speeding." "But officer, what about all these other speeders?" "Sir, grow up."
---ralph7477 on 4/21/09

AMEN!

Obama was voted for on the promise of "CHANGE" and openness/transparency in our Gov.,Lies and more lies, Your hatred for Bush(Repub's) has blinded you...

God & Country first, EVERYTHING else follows!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 4/21/09


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"I'm trying to show the Hypocrisy of the right wingers who chose to castigate Obama for the same thing Republicans have been doing for years."

So if Obama is doing the same thing as Republicans, that must mean that the Republicans were right because Obama's judgment is beyond reproach.

Seriously though I think that you simply can't muster up a coherent explanation for your positions. It's the same thing done by children: "Why did you hit your sister?" "Well she hit me yesterday, why don't you yell at her too?"... or people who know they are in the wrong: "Sir, I'm giving you a ticket for speeding." "But officer, what about all these other speeders?" "Sir, grow up."
---ralph7477 on 4/21/09


So now you have to explain why what Fox reports is "claptrap." What makes it so?
---Elder on 4/19/09

Do you believe that network news should be impartial? If so, how do you justify Fox actively promoting a political event, telling people to go and they will be there to film it?
---NurseRobert on 4/20/09


larry:

Actually, printing your own money CAN bankrupt you. This happened before WW2 - due to the tremendous war reparations leveled on Germany, that country went into a period of hyperinflation so intense that people rushed home from work to spend their paychecks, because they would lose value daily. People no longer counted money - money had so little value that they simply took huge stacks of bills and weighed them to see how much they were worth. People didn't carry money in wallets, they carried it in wheelbarrows. Such an economy cannot sustain itself for very long.
---StrongAxe on 4/20/09


Ralph also said: "Secondly, how come you defend Obama or Liberals by pointing out that Bush, Reagan or some other Republican did the same things? Isn't that pretty much admitting that your guys are no better?"

No, actually I'm trying to show the Hypocrisy of the right wingers who chose to castigate Obama for the same thing Republicans have been doing for years.
---NurseRobert on 4/20/09


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Here we go again, folks we have three choices...
1. No spending, let the banks and economy go into a depression.
2. Fix the economy while simultaneously running up sky high debt.
3. A biblical year of Jubilee.
Obama, right or wrong chose the second and will attempt to fix the economy now and then cut spending drastically later.
He's very smart and will probably succeed on fixing the problem and fail at getting congress to cut spending.
We can never be bankrupt since we print our own money. Worse scenario is that we pay off our debt with dollars that are worth nothing because they are being printed to excess.
---larry on 4/19/09


From N-Robert By the way you have yet to explain why Fox in not a worthy news broadcaster.
---Elder on 4/6/09
What's to explain? All you have to do is listen to their claptrap....
---NurseRobert on 4/7/09
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So now you have to explain why what Fox reports is "claptrap." What makes it so?
---Elder on 4/19/09


President's Bush and Obama are not destroying America, the banks are! In 1913, the Federal Reserve took control of the U.S. printing press. There is nothing federal about them and they have no reserves. Basically, those in charge are puppets to the bankers. You hear the word's 'toxic assets' being thrown about these days. Toxic assets = derivatives = gambling debts by the banks and insurance companies. Taxpayers are paying on these gambling debts.
---sam7489 on 4/19/09


we have to have faith in GOD that he sent us a president with wisdom.....he is tryn to fix a country that was already in turmoil, presidents before him btried to fix it s we should at least give him the proper respect to try.
---willa5494 on 4/19/09


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I have no issue with deficit spending...as such, but it doesn't get us out of recession and Obama has spent 3 times what all those before him spent. How long do you think it will take us to pay off $3,000,000,000,000.00, the years budget?
---Donna on 4/18/09


Increasing the national debt has never got us out of a recession yet.
---Donna66 on 4/17/09

Ronald Reagan and Bush I and II would disagree with you. They never had issues with deficit spending
---NurseRobert on 4/18/09


Jesus had John the Baptist to "make a way", Obama is making a way for, you guessed it. Certain things have to happen before the Second Coming. Why does our president want to bankrupt America? If you spend and spend, what does the bank do? It takes it all. South Carolina wants to pay it's bills, but that is not what Obama wants him to do. Who is going to take over America and the rest of the world. Socialism is just the last step.
---Bob on 4/18/09


I think we'll recover from the recession IN SPITE of Obama's spending not because of it.
Increasing the national debt has never got us out of a recession yet.

But soon thereafter we'll be faced with hyper-inflation due to printing money that's not worth anything but the paper it is printed on. Unfortunately this may hit about the time tax hikes take effect.
---Donna66 on 4/17/09


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This is a loaded question.

It assumes that:
1) Obama is spending too much
2) Because of his "spending too much" (1st assumption) he is going to bankrupt America.

Our economy is messed up anyways.

I just want our troops to be brought home.
---Amanda on 4/17/09


BruceB: Obviously, there's a mental disconnect between what you chose to hear & what I actually said. Since you didn't get my prior comments, allow me to put it this way.

Vision is a God-given ability, i.e., comes from God. Apart from clear vision from God, the hearts of men are hardened & their minds are blinded.

Historically, there have been world leaders who I definitely wouldn't call visionaries. These people did ( & some yet do) what they determine(d) is right according to the way they see it. Certainly, they're not Godly people, but are typically the ungodly dictators/devilish despots of the world.

Now, please tell me what did I say. Peace!!! :)
---Leon on 4/11/09


Ms. Donna: I didn't imply meekness & humility are signs of weakness. That's not what the Bible teaches. Meekness is strength under control & humility is the ability to submit to God's & His sanctioned authorities.

Yes, Jesus vigorously confronted the religious leaders to correct them & bring about repentance in their hearts. I believe some repented. What say you? :)

In the power & might of the Holy Spirit, Jesus showed righteous indignation (Godly anger) towards the money-changers. They could've gotten far worse treatment from "The Son of God".

"He sent them out with swords."? When did Jesus "send" his disciples out with swords? Bible chapter(s) & verse(s) please. :)
---Leon on 4/11/09


3 months in office = 300 billion dollars of new debt.

4 years in office = 4.8 trillion dollars of new debt (many predict much more).

At his present rate of deficit spending, every man woman and child in the US will be $16,000 FURTHER in debt. A family of four will owe the government $64,000 for their portion of NEW government debt at the end of a 4 year term. If he keeps going for two terms, that will be $128,000 of NEW debt for every family. Somehow none of us will get $128,000 of benefit. That money will go to his precious few, working taxpayers will hold the bag.

Given that debt is largely responsible for our present recession, I'm expecting our future to be even more at risk.
---Grant on 4/11/09


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Leon--

I hope you realize that Jesus was not always meek and humble. He did not express sweetness and charity in all his relationships. He insulted the Scribes and Pharisees time and time again. He forcibly expelled them from the temple at one point.
Although, more than once, he corrected his followers for combative impulses, in the end, He sent them out with swords.

Some things are worth standing firm for, even fighting for.
Jesus didn't compromise on what he knew was right and he was respected even by his enemies.
---Donna66 on 4/10/09


---obewan, that's precisely what I'm talking about. Any short term gain right now from the stimulus will be short lived.
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I guess we are on the same page for the most part since money for road construction is not going to help me much in the jet engine business. However, I will say that an improvement to available credit to the struggling airlines WILL help me a lot in a year or two. Everything is connected. Of course, there will be a lot of hogs lined up at the trough at feeding time!
---obewan on 4/10/09


Sad commentary, Leon. Sad, indeed.

Visionary "leaders" with "God-given" abilities? We've always had those--at least, most think so: Christian or not. You can see the resultant state of the world. Yeah: visionary "leaders". That's the ticket.

In Israel, "every man did that which was right in his own eyes." So, God gave 'em a King. And He gave the world the O-Man, and Bush and Clinton and Reagan and Carter and Nixon: and Kruschev and Gorby and Stalin and Pol Pot and Hitler. And things have gotten so much better: haven't they?

What the world needs is... God--not visionary "leaders". And I have no doubt it's going to get both what it needs... and exactly what it deserves.
---BruceB on 4/10/09


I think we can disagree agreeably Ralph. Peace!!! :)
---Leon on 4/10/09


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---obewan, that's precisely what I'm talking about. Any short term gain right now from the stimulus will be short lived. It will take along time for the economy to turn around, and it will do it on its own without any help from the gov.
The point is BHO lied to the people, not me because I wouldn't believe anything he says.
You can bet the special interests groups got their stimulus up front.
---wayne on 4/10/09


When government suppresses good and promotes evil we should pray and ask God to remove them from office. I have had a little experience in seeing this! So I know it's on the rise. We need some people in leaderships all the way down to the street cops with godly wisdom and with godly intelligence. God has been kicked in His teeth long enough. And He is not going to put up with it much longer. As long as I have been living I have never seen people getting kicked out of their homes or losing all their money that they have worked so hard for, in such ways as we are having today. God is going to send His mighty judgments upon this world, and America, shall get it the worse, because God has blessed this country so magnificently.
---catherine on 4/10/09


Leon, have you learned nothing from history? Christian ideals have no meaning to tyrants and dictators. Extending an olive branch is pointless to people who have no desire to make peace. On an international scale, it is dangerous and irresponsible to the nation.

Leaders like the ones in Iran and North Korea would love to have talks and endless meetings under the guise of "working together". It buys them time to execute their plans behind the scenes. How well did appeasement and peacemaking work with HItler?

You say that we can always go to war if it comes down to that. Nice to know that you would be willing to sacrifice so many lives, when steadfastness and strength could avoid such a tragedy. See Ronald Reagan.
---ralph7477 on 4/10/09


It seems to me we have the next Presidency and her or his cabinet right here on this blog! Until you are walking in an other shoes, It is so Easy to Judge!
---BB on 4/10/09


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Why?. Because people needed to be put back to work now... Then why does the unemployment rate keep getting higher now? (Wayne)
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What part of turning a battleship do you not understand? He has only been in office a few weeks, and it will take months for the economy to turn. It could take years for the flowdown to impact all employer sectors.

At my employer, we HAD a 3 year backlog. The credit crisis cancelled NEW orders. We won't see the effects until a year or two from now. They are laying off now due to a money crunch that will hit in 2010 when the backlog runs out. Even if we GET new orders, we still face a layoff due to a loss or orders at some point and the LAG in the system!
---obewan on 4/10/09


What you don't understand Ralph is we've ALL come short of God's glory. If you're wondering, that means "we're all evil (sinners)" but for God's grace & mercy.

Since the U.S. is the biggest player on the stage, I think we could be gracious enough to take the initiative & try to reconcile our differences with the other "evil people". That's called extending the olive branch, being peacemakers.

We can afford to play nice. It's cheaper than war. Obviously, we have that option at our disposal should evildoers suppose our kindness is a sign of weakness. Remember, we are yet a super power!

I hope you may now understand meekness, humility & reconciliation are Christian attributes.
---Leon on 4/10/09


According to BHO it was vital to pass the stimulus bill now. Why?. Because people needed to be put back to work now, as stated by BHO. Then why does the unemployment rate keep getting higher now?
Could it be that the "stimulus" money was to just futher the socialist agenda?
---wayne on 4/9/09


..."CHANGE" things from bad to good by reaching out to their global neighbors (huemanity) in a spirit of meekness, humility & mutual respect despite our vast differences. Do you suppose that might be pleasing to God if we tried to shed some love abroad?"

What people like Leon and Obama don't seem to understand is that many of our "neighbors" are evil people who view meekness and humility with contempt. We appear weak.

To imply that the U.S does not shed love abroad is frankly insulting. We supply huge amounts of aid, food, and medicine. That is showing love as Christ defined it. What do yo think was in the U.S cargo ship that the pirates hijacked? American "love" headed to needy people.
---ralph7477 on 4/9/09


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Mark-- I wish you would stop referring to those opposed to the policies of the Obama adm. as "so-called Christians". If someone called you a "so-called Christian" when you objected to Bush, you'd have howled UNFAIR. You will have to prove to me that there is something "un-Christian" about speaking up for personal liberty and responsibility.

Obama wasted no time in overturning many of the foundations of this country. Why should I wait to speak out?

We may not enjoy freedom of speech much longer... so I will speak as long as I'm legally able to.
---Donna66 on 4/9/09


BruceB: The anti-Christ's idea of charity? Wow man! Where do you get your special knowledge? I know, you've been listening to the neo-nutsies, haven't you? :)

Sorry, but I can't take serious anyone who would suppose the devil sports a pitchfork & wears a red latex body-suit. LOL :D

Incidentally, in case you haven't noticed, the world is seriously out of order & in need of visionary "leaders" who have the God-given ability to "CHANGE" things from bad to good by reaching out to their global neighbors (huemanity) in a spirit of meekness, humility & mutual respect despite our vast differences. Do you suppose that might be pleasing to God if we tried to shed some love abroad? :/
---Leon on 4/9/09


I don't know Nurse, after reading your claptrap all these years, you don't come across as somebody who would be a reliable evaluator of what constitutes legitimate news reporting. ---ralph7477 on 4/8/09

Gee Ralph, I was just thinking the same about you.

I originally said, "You only hear one side of the news on Fox, that of the far right. They are just as one sided as any other broadcast news, or any news source.
---NurseRobert on 3/30/09"

So, then, I probably get my news from the same places you do. You just report your one sided slant, just as I do.
---NurseRobert on 4/9/09


Social Security was the invention of FDR. People had no choice but to contribute.

Not everybody approved of the Social Security program.

My father (and he wasn't alone) didn't vote for, or care for, FDR and was very irritated because many in his generation were proud to care for their families without help. He wasn't wealthy, but he reasoned that if he could put something in the bank every pay day, others could, too.

He always resented SS. He was sure he could get a better return on his savings than the US gov't. (turned out he was right.)

When he retired, should he have refused to accept SS payments? Not after paying out of his paycheck for years!
---Donna66 on 4/8/09


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I don't know Nurse, after reading your claptrap all these years, you don't come across as somebody who would be a reliable evaluator of what constitutes legitimate news reporting. Especially if your brand of news is the liberal propaganda that spews from the major networks, CNN, MSNBC, the major big city newspapers (which are on the verge of bankruptcy), PBS, NPR, etc, etc.
---ralph7477 on 4/8/09


Elder,
I look at a broader picture. At the same time that people were saying they were saving thru mandatory social security, in reality, they were the ones voting in politicians that were robbing the piggy bank, largely to bribe votes from these very same people. So, in essence these people weren't saving for social security, they were paying the government for programs that they already received the benefits from (along with still going into further debt). Its like if I say that I am saving money in a bank for a future car purchase and then spend the money on a house, then I then blame the bank for there not being money for the car. Our olde generation had the cake and ate it too and left the future generations the debt.
---Grant on 4/8/09


I wish all the so called christians would allow President Obama an opportunity to make a difference instead of passing judgement on a man that has only been it office for 2 months. Bush was given 8 years to create this mess. If you are blaming Clinton, Bush sure did nothing but make it worst.
---mark on 4/7/09


StrongAxe- What a whimsical picture...the poor drowning businessman!

The Bush-Obama Adm. decided that these big companies must be saved. Others disagree.
Those who trust government fret about "under-regulated" free market concerns. In Capitalism, businesses that do not deliver a good product or can't make a profit... FAIL. That's how they are regulated!

In the US, one has always been allowed to fail, learn from his failures, start over better and wiser . Nobody is indispensable. The failure of one may be the golden opportunity of another.

CEO's of AIG, some banks and the auto companies are again reminded why "sink or swim" is preferable to control by govt elitists who know nothing of business.
---Donna on 4/7/09


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This president was elected by 52,9% of the people...not exactly a landslide. ---Donna66 on 4/5/09


Donna, in 2000 Gore had more votes than Bush (48.4% to 47.9%). So your point is what???
---NurseRobert on 4/7/09


By the way you have yet to explain why Fox in not a worthy news broadcaster.
---Elder on 4/6/09


What's to explain? All you have to do is listen to their claptrap....
---NurseRobert on 4/7/09


Donna:

The US decided that the failure of these large corporations would ultimately cause greater economic upheaval than bailing them out would. However, this is a matter of self-interested pragmatism rather than any kind of legal obligation to AIG and the other companies.

If I saw a man with a briefcase drowning in the ocean, I would throw him a life preserver. However, I would feel under no ethical obligation to also rescue his briefcase.
---StrongAxe on 4/7/09


Grant, you may be right on your assessment of what is going on now that many people refuse to see. Remember though, many people worked many years and put money into Social Security. It is not government money. It is money that was taken out of our pockets that we worked for. A byproduct of this work and money was/is Medicare. This includes Medicare prescription coverage. This is also paid for by the recipient with payments out of the SSI amount they receive or they don't receive it.
Remember Bush may not have had to do anything with Social Security. But, Clinton robbed the program to "Balance the Budget" for one year just to be able to say he did it.
---Elder on 4/7/09


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Leon,

As succinct as your interpretation of people's disenchantment with the O-Man is--being merely some sort of "flavor" issue--I'd say it was just their awareness of his being the epitome of modernized Marxist-Socialism and a NWO proponent: you know, one of many who are hell-bent on making sure we operate (at least the US if not the entire world) under the anti-Christ's idea of charity: sooner, rather than later. Now, that's Christian-like: ain't it? Of course, Bush ain't but a notch above on that beltway banner. LOL!

If I didn't have access to the real thing, I think I'd prefer that "NNS" brand of Christianity over the NWO's brand. At least I know their God ain't sportin' a pitchfork and red latex body-suit.
---BruceB on 4/6/09


>>The US was under no obligation to AIG to bail it out and enable it to pay those bonuses.They could have gone under and the executives could have waited in line for their bonuses AFTER all the other creditors<<

Then why did they?

Now the gov't is refusing to take back TARP funds that the banks don't want and promising retaliation if they object.

Let banks face the consequences of their own failure, without bail-outs!
We would all be better off if they took bankruptcy, not government take-over.

Leon, did you repent of your "sin" if you were negative about the Bush administration? I don't support Obama because I feel he is hurting "we the people" and America in almost every way.
---Donna on 4/6/09


Alan UK,

Actually, it was Al-Gaia who ran against Bush in 2000.
---BruceB on 4/6/09


Nurse what you and your other demoncrap socialist party members don't understand we won't have time enough to get over it with Obama. You need to look and see that it is Obama who is the "President" of the US that is why McCain is a non-issue. Yet McCain does have a legal US citizen birth.
By the way you have yet to explain why Fox in not a worthy news broadcaster.
---Elder on 4/6/09


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Are you kidding me?
Back then, senator Obama fought tooth & nail
along with B. Frank of Mass. & C. Dodd to NOT regulate Fannie & Freddie, AIG and many others, The Dems controlled the Senate and stopped ANY effort the Repubs brought up,
THAT'S WHY WERE IN THIS MESS.

Don't get me wrong though, these things must come, So that he may come...
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 4/6/09


NEW YORK New York's attorney general filed civil fraud charges Monday against a hedge fund manager who funneled $2.4 billion to Wall Street swindler Bernard Madoff without telling clients where their money was going.

Let's not forget these guy's, they are the biggest probblem, Greedy little theives...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 4/6/09


Obama did not cause economic failure. It happened under Bush and so Bush will always be blamed for it. It really began in 1999 uinder Clinton who agreed with the Republican Congress to repeal 1932 regulations by passing the Grahm-Leach-Bliley Act which allowed investment banks to freely operate under the looser terms of regular banks. Lack of proper regulation and oversignt led to the problems caused by a greedy and opportunistic investment community.
---Kay on 4/6/09


Popular legend here in the UK iss that in the previous election, Bush had fewer votes than Kerry, so that was not a landslide for him.

But who can tell what would have happened had Kerry become President. How would he have reacted to 9/11?
---alan9566_of_UK on 4/6/09


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NurseRobert: The right-wing neo-nutsies (nns) on this blog aren't interested, don't want to, "Get a grip...get over it." They're hell-bent on being estrange (sow discord & disunite) rather than being change agents for the good of ALL of "we the people" of the United States. The nns want the same ol' status quo government we've suffered in the past.

If it's not one negative issue, it's another with these so-called Christians. The fact of the matter is they really take issue with President Barack "Hussein" Obama because he just isn't their particular flavor. That's it in a "nutshell" & is a decidedly un-Christlike frame of mind. They need to repent of their sin. From such, turn away!
---Leon on 4/6/09


obewan:

The margins by which Bush was elected in 2004 was MUCH narrower. Even in 1984 (Reagan vs. Mondale) and 1988 (Bush vs. Dukakis) where most electoral vote went to the winner (with "landslides" of 90+%), the popular vote was only in the 50-60% range.


Donna66:

The US was under no obligation to AIG to bail it out and enable it to pay those bonuses. They would have gone under, and the executives could have waited in line for their bonuses AFTER all the other creditors.


Elder:

Obama claimed (and demonstrated) Hawaiian birth. McCain claimed Canal Zone birth. But I never heard people demand that McCain produce a valid birth certificate "just to make sure". I wonder why that is?
---StrongAxe on 4/6/09


Donna66,

That's 52.9% of those who voted. Based on about 330MM people in the country, it's more like 19% of the people.

Some of us don't quite feel comfortable voting for the "lesser" of two evils (in O-Man's case, that's a stretch.) Evil is still evil... no matter how pretty the package. But ain't that Satan's favorite methodology?

And since virtually all "party" politicians are workin' for the same guy, I, for one, ain't about to partake of that particular sin, since there are plenty of other ones that need attending to without attempting to add insult to injury.
---BruceB on 4/6/09


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