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Rub A Cross On The Forehead

Why does the catholic church rub a cross on the forehead or the back of the hand during ash wednesday? Doesn't that indicate the mark in Revelation?

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Rev.discusses Mark of the beast & mark for God's people.
The beasts number is 666.
The Catholic church professes Jesus Christ-Savior of the World-Son of God-full of grace & truth. Father-Son-Holy Spirit.
There is a heaven & hell. The devil exists.
Christ ascended to the Father-sits at the right hand of the father=to Him-the only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ or Lord. ashes-symbolize ashes and sackcloth in the Bible people would cover themselves with this -The cross is a central symbol of season of lent when Jesus began his public ministry with 40 days in the dessert-forgiveness-penance-recalling our baptism-increased prayer- -almsgivig-Lent- a name for the time in the life of our Lord to remember.
---paul on 3/27/09


What amuses me as a non-Catholic is to see the rubbish which the arch anti-Catholics dish up
---alan8566_of_UK on 3/18/09


Rhonda* Thank you Ruben I knew it didn't support lent and knew you didn't really believe this ...happy to see you do SEE the verse ONLY describes "ashes on the forehead" NOT lent


But you do not support ashes on the forehead at all. but scriptures from the OT and NT are there, you claim it's pagan...Go figure!

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Rhonda* and likewise it is always amusing when a catholic who is anti-Word of God gives scripture

It amusing, it's anti-word from a Catholic when we do not believe in your interpretation of scripture, tell me Rhonda why is your interpretation of scripture correct?
---Ruben on 3/18/09


**when Christ returns to earth setting up Gods Kingdom Gods Holy Days suppressed by the MOTHER on earth will be HONORED again and ALL GLORY to the Father in heaven**

WRONG!

When Christ returns to earth, the physical universe, including time (and therefore all days, holy and otherwise) will come to a screeching halt.

There's no such thing as a literal earthly millennium.
---katavasia on 3/18/09


Rhonda:-Ashes on the forehead is a reminder "REMEMBER christian soul Dust thou art and into dust thou shalt return"This verse is used at the onset of a period called lent taken from the Anglo-Saxon word lencten meaning spring which is also new birth and a time of fast,before Easter as pennance, change, and preperation for the feast of the Resurrection a period of six and a half weeks from Ash Wednesday. Why was ashes used even by the jews as a sign of repentance, what did it signify was that pagan too?
---MIC on 3/18/09




It supports ashes on the forehead!
---Ruben on 3/17/09
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Thank you Ruben I knew it didn't support lent and knew you didn't really believe this ...happy to see you do SEE the verse ONLY describes "ashes on the forehead" NOT lent

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And it is always amusing when a catholic gives scripture verses, the anti-catholic disgards them!
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and likewise it is always amusing when a catholic who is anti-Word of God gives scripture from The Father and The Word to support their MOTHER Rev 17 and the system they worship NOT The Father in heaven

when Christ returns to earth setting up Gods Kingdom Gods Holy Days suppressed by the MOTHER on earth will be HONORED again and ALL GLORY to the Father in heaven
---Rhonda on 3/17/09


Rhonda * When did Christ observe pagan lent?

When did the Apostles observe pagan lent?

Matthew 9:14-15 Jesus said to them, " The days will come, when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast." (cf. Mk 2:18-20)

Rhonda* It is always amusing how RCC finds obscure verses that mention ash on the forehead and use it to????.....


And it is always amusing when a catholic gives scripture verses, the anti-catholic disgards them!

Rhonda* Please Ruben I would be oh so curious how the verse in Samuel supports your pagan lent ...do tell

It supports ashes on the forehead!
---Ruben on 3/17/09


**Maccabees written more than 100 years AFTER the Apostles**

Rhonda, your erudition here has been aptly demonstrated, but this is mistaken.

The Books of Maccabees were translated as part of the Septuagint (LXX), the Greek version of the Hebrew Scriptures some 200 years BEFORE the time of Christ.

Therefore, this egregious error calls into question all your other historical statements.
---katavasia on 3/16/09


**Maccabees written more than 100 years AFTER the Apostles and Judith is not a book of Gods Word.**

Yes, they are.

**When did Christ observe pagan lent?

When did the Apostles observe pagan lent?**

When did the Christ or the Apostles use computers?

When did the Apostles allow women to speak pulbicly on spiritual matters?

You can find excuses for your lack of self-restraint and feel virtuous about it if you like.

I myself do not observe pagan lent. I observe Christian Lent.
---katavasia on 3/16/09


in johns day there was already deceived people wearing the mark of the cross in their forehead and he called them antichrists.
---john on 3/14/09




According to tradition Semeramis, the wife of Nimrod the King of Babylon, claimed she had been supernaturally impregnated by the Sun god and gave birth to Tammuz. One day while hunting, Tammuz was killed by a wild boar. Semeramis mourned for 40 days, at the end of which Tammuz was supposedly brought back from the dead. She proclaimed herself Queen of Heaven, founded a celibate priesthood to worship her son and declared its chief priest infallible, and memorialized her mourning in an annual 40 day period of denial. It was the world's first counterfeit of the Biblical story of the Redeemer and grew into a mother-child cult that was duplicated in almost every pagan mythology.

Eze 8:14 .... behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
---jerry6593 on 3/14/09


Ruben, the verses you have chosen do not support pagan lent superimposed OVER Biblical Christ

Maccabees written more than 100 years AFTER the Apostles and Judith is not a book of Gods Word.

When did Christ observe pagan lent?

When did the Apostles observe pagan lent?

It is always amusing how RCC finds obscure verses that mention ash on the forehead and use it to????.....

Please Ruben I would be oh so curious how the verse in Samuel supports your pagan lent ...do tell
---Rhonda on 3/13/09


Apostles did not rub pagan ashes on their foreheads because counterfeit church did not start this practice until more than 300 years AFTER death of Christ
---Rhonda on 3/6/09

2 Samuel 13:19 And Tamar put ashes on her head,


Nehemiah 9:1 on the twenty-fourth day of this month the people of Israel were assembled with fasting and in sackcloth, and with earth upon their heads.

Judith 4:11,15 And all the men and women of Israel, prostrated themselves before the temple and put ashes on their heads

1 Maccabees 3:47 They fasted that day, put on sackcloth and sprinkled ashes on their heads, and rent their clothes. (cf. 4:39)


Revelation 18:19 And they threw dust on their heads, as they wept and mourned,
---Ruben on 3/13/09


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simple to understand pagan lent NOT FROM The Eternal knowing Christ and Apostles did not record or follow it**

Yes, it is.

Your saying it's not will not prevent it from being from God.

As a matter of fact, Lent is observed not by that nasty ole Roman Catholic Church, but by ALL the pre-reformation churches of the east.
---katavasia on 3/13/09


Rhonda:-God Hates the abomination which is the PRACTICE not the person. God loves the sinner but hates the sin, quite a difference.That is why He Forgives even those who bear False witness against their Neighbour. Read acts 5 :33-39.Maybe you should use this as a guide line in your condemnation of others "Division does not come from the Holy spirit it comes from the Unholy spirit". Ecumenism is proclaiming the truth which is one Lord,one faith, One baptism,one Father of all.
---MIC on 3/13/09


Rhonda:-God Hates the abomination which is the PRACTICE not the person. God loves the sinner but hates the sin, quite a difference.That is why He Forgives even those who bear False witness against their Neighbour. Read acts 5 :33-39.Maybe you should use this as a guide line in your condemnation of others "Division does not come from the Holy spirit it comes from the Unholy spirit". Ecumenism is proclaiming the truth which is one Lord,one faith, One baptism,one Father of all.
---MIC on 3/13/09


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is the rubbing on the forehead biblical?
what verse is that written in the bible or is it part of the catholic teaching?
---mike on 3/13/09


I DEFEND Gods Truth found in Holy Bible you defend your religious system ...not here to change your beliefs drilled into your mind by men
---Rhonda on 3/12/09


No, what you defend is your own interpretation of scripture!
---Ruben on 3/13/09


Please explain why rubbing a cross on a forehead isn't biblical?
So having crosses jewerly or having crosses in Churches isn't Biblical?

It is a cross, what else are you all going to find wrong with the RCC because of the hate towards her?
Do you ever stop and think what you are saying before speaking?
Men in the Bible don't wear pants.
Men in the Mideast were dress-like tunics.
Why are Christian men wearing pants?
It isn't Biblical?!

The rubbing isn't intent to be a mark of God or the beast.

It is intented to remind men that they are men. Dust is used.
Remember, Adam was made from the soil.
Many men act like they are gods. The Church is reminding us that we are MEN, not gods and WE NEED GOD.
---Natalie on 3/13/09


Natalie you are correct easter only appears once

word translated easter is the Greek word pascha (derived from the Hebrew word pesach)

Greek language has no word for Passover

bible was originally written in Greek

pesach always means Passover

Hebrew word pesach impossible for it to mean "easter" ...correctly render easter as Passover by all other translations in NT

"easter insert" verse does not endorse easter ..it clearly establishes Passover ten years after the death of Christ

seeing that there is not ONE other verse in Word of God discussing easter it is obvious the mistranslation of Acts 12:4
---Rhonda on 3/13/09


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I have no idea. I do not believe it has anything to do with the mark of the beast.
---catherine on 3/13/09


I don't know why some feel that Pagans have ownership of certain things and forbid themselves of doing almost everthing. **

I know what you mean. Following that line of reasoning, we should not have a sun or moon in the sky, because pagans worshipped them.
---katavasia on 3/11/09

You had me laughing for 5 minutes!
Thank you, I needed that.
---Natalie2 on 3/12/09


To Rhonda,
The word Easter appears only once in the King James Version of the Bible (and not at all in most others). In the one place it does appear, the King James translators mistranslated the Greek word for Passover as "Easter."

Notice it in Acts 12:4: "And when he [King Herod Agrippa I] had apprehended him [the apostle Peter], he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him, intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people."

The Greek word translated Easter here is pascha, properly translated everywhere else in the Bible as "Passover."

I can't remember the source.
---Natalie2 on 3/12/09


Rhonda:-I have nothing More to say to you since You claim"God Hates"or "lent is Hated by God"
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I DEFEND Gods Truth found in Holy Bible you defend your religious system ...not here to change your beliefs drilled into your mind by men

The Eternal calls ALL heathen practices an abomination PER his words found in Holy Bible

abomination is HATE

simple to understand pagan lent NOT FROM The Eternal knowing Christ and Apostles did not record or follow it

...we are close to end of age and RETURN of Christ to set up Gods Kingdom on Earth ...many are coming out of the worlds pagan practices MOST will only cling tighter closing down Gods Truth to serve their traditions of men Mark 7:6,7
---Rhonda on 3/12/09


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The catholic church does a lot of things. Most of them are directly against the bible. I don't think there's anything wrong with the cross rub thing, but, it's not biblical. Seems to me that it's supposed to put the mark of God on you in place of the mark of the beast.
---Marty on 3/12/09


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And whom is ignorant Katasavia**

You are, Rhonda, because "whom" is the OBJECTIVE, not nominative form.

You should have used "who".
---katavasia on 3/12/09
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Oh my so sorry it says biblical responses and to check spell check


didn't catch that we are now hosting an english class now?

I'll take the F in english and the truth in Word of God

but like Mic you can HIDE behind the misuse of grammer if it suits you to remain ignorant to Gods Truth


and Mic that suits me just fine sweetie I didn't come to be friends with pagan christians ONLY to WARN those of pagan christianity who may be scammed by your system
---Rhonda on 3/12/09


MIC ... I think you are right ... there is nothing more to say to Rhonda on this subject.
---alan8566_of_UK on 3/12/09


Rhonda:-I have nothing More to say to you since You claim"God Hates"or "lent is Hated by God"You do not Know what you say but Just say for effect.God is Love and says "LOVE one another as I have loved You "yet you claim christianity quoting Matt16:18-19 and you do not belong to HIS CHURCH.Which is not spiritual but consists of Mankind.Goodbye.
---MIC on 3/12/09


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Alan of Uk:-Wildernes,temptation Pagan Practice??? of course there are. wait till Rhonda sees it she is an expert on Paganism.
---MIC on 3/12/09


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And whom is ignorant Katasavia**

You are, Rhonda, because "whom" is the OBJECTIVE, not nominative form.

You should have used "who".
---katavasia on 3/12/09


Mic always interesting how you evade truth by assigning "hatred" to me ...something you cannot see due to religious system you serve its teaching programming of minds with repetitious prayers of lies YET defending opposite of your prayers ...and whats so stunning is you cannot see it ...that is the frightening aspect of brainwashing

real tragedy is you choose to see "hatred" to HIDE in your lies ...The Eternal HATES all things heathen ...pagan idolatry of lent is HATED by the God of The Holy Bible ...tragic you close your mind down to WORD of TRUTH

You stand for counterfeit christianity and I stand for Gods Truth ONLY found in Holy Word by the Spiritual Church Christ started in Matt 16:18-19
---Rhonda on 3/11/09


Only in English is it called this. Every other European language calls it Pascha or a phonetic equivalent
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And whom is ignorant Katasavia

PASCHA is PASSOVER

pascha is not "easter" which is Ishtars modern day Easter ...by the way Ishtar is pronounced like Easter ...the pagan goddess who was the mother/wife of Nimrod/Baal forming the pagan trinity from babylonian religion and mother child worship ...you can read all about it in the OT

Christ is the Passover

but continue along in the lies that are FED to you in pure ignorant bliss...

you are fooled and you may fool others but Gods Truth will not be destroyed by the system you serve
---Rhonda on 3/11/09


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I don't know why some feel that Pagans have ownership of certain things and forbid themselves of doing almost everthing. **

I know what you mean. Following that line of reasoning, we should not have a sun or moon in the sky, because pagans worshipped them.
---katavasia on 3/11/09


Natalie ... I hope no-one thinks we really believe that!
---alan8566_of_UK on 3/10/09

Not if they have common sense.

I don't know why some feel that Pagans have ownership of certain things and forbid themselves of doing almost everthing.

God is bigger than that.
---Natalie2 on 3/11/09


Natalie ... I hope no-one thinks we really believe that!
---alan8566_of_UK on 3/10/09


Jesus was following PAGAN PRACTICES when He went into the wilderness for 40 days
---alan_of_UK on 3/9/09

EXCELLENT POINT!
---Natalie2 on 3/10/09


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Rhonda:-I try very hard to see some goodness in you but all I come up with,is Hateful venom which engulfs You.Apparently you have a hatred for Jesus and His church calling them pagan as if you are some returning avenging (would I dare use the word) angel, from a place no one has ever visited Before.Something Tragic must have put you into gear.I often wonder who or why.Ps do you like yourself?
---MIC on 3/9/09


Rhonda ... Of course, I should have realised,

Jesus was following PAGAN PRACTICES when He went into the wilderness for 40 days
---alan_of_UK on 3/9/09


Rhonda, you simply don't know what you're talking about.

Alexander Hislop's books and those derived from it are historically wrong.
---katavasia on 3/9/09


pagan lent began in ancient mystery babylon religion forty days abstinence borrowed from worshipers of pagan babylonian goddess mother child worship ...lent means spring ...from the world lencten

Lent not observed by Apostles ...church of Rome during Council of Nicea in 325AD when emperor Constantine declared a christianized pagan church its state religion 360AD at council of Laodicea COMMANDED Lent to be observed ...remember killing machine FORCED its pagan brand on all subjects of Rome all other forms of christianity CONTRARY to Constantines romish church were enemies of the state tortured killed

Col 2:20-23 Paul WARNED against will worship ...The Eternal HATES all pagan practices they are an abomination to him Rev 18:2-4
---Rhonda on 3/8/09


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We should be giving our lives and time to God every day of the year.
---jody on 3/7/09


**MANY TOLD what to believe, how to believe BY MEN who do not have Gods Holy Spirit ...I read Gods Word and his TRUTH is REALITY not FABLES you serve FED TO YOU BY MEN Mark 7:7**

You actually think you have God's Holy Spirit, Rhonda?

The very fact that you rail against "Easter" shows how ignorant and deceived you are.

Only in English is it called this. Every other European language calls it Pascha or a phonetic equivalent.
---katavasia on 3/7/09


Rhonda ... I make no claim against the word of God.

You condemn the remembrance and preparation period of Lent, and the use of ashes for the same purpose, because it is not mentioned in the Bible.

To follow the same argument, you must condemn Christian Bloogs for neither are they mentioned

On this occasion, I will quote the Bible ... the whole of it to show that it does not condemn the practice of Christian Blogging.

I will also use the same quotation, of the whole Bible ... READ IT!!! , to show that the Bible does not condemn the practice of Lent, or of Ashes.
---alan8566_of_UK on 3/6/09


That is why I gave you Matt5:43-48.Love does conquer ALL Rhonda.
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So love conquers all and you continue to SERVE a pagan lent?

Which love?

Your first love of worship to the sun-god?

Or to love The Eternal with all your heart ...difference in "love" you profess found in Matt 16:17-18 knowing translation of church is called out one's from god of this world ...in contrast to WHORE who flirts with politics leaders of world

Mic carelessly toss out scripture to MASK over defend pagan lent but you ONLY fool yourself NOT God. Apostles did not rub pagan ashes on their foreheads because counterfeit church did not start this practice until more than 300 years AFTER death of Christ
---Rhonda on 3/6/09


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Rhonda:-The reality which is being questioned, by several is based On your determined efforts to condemn the Goodness of God, as observed by others. In Genesis it was called a serpent,because it DECEIVED: Your efforts are tantamount to the same, and a little more insistent.That is why I gave you Matt5:43-48.Love does conquer ALL Rhonda.
---MIC on 3/6/09


Rhonda ... Someone has fed you nonsense.

"Christian Blogs" are not mentioned in the Bible, yet you are joining in on them.
---alan8566_of_UK
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Katavasia and Alan curious "claims" AGAINST The Word of God I posted coming from TWO who use Gods Word the LEAST when making their OPINIONS KNOWN

You both quote opinion RARELY if ever use scripture and I've been FED nonsense?

MANY TOLD what to believe, how to believe BY MEN who do not have Gods Holy Spirit ...I read Gods Word and his TRUTH is REALITY not FABLES you serve FED TO YOU BY MEN Mark 7:7

REALITY of Gods TRUTH is antichrist to those who choose fables only able to mindlessly parrot back opinion from the men in their pompous robes
---Rhonda on 3/6/09


** Doesn't it bother you to make statements that have no basis in reality, Rhonda?
---katavasia on 3/5/09


Which reality katavasia ...there is "reality" of rcc its pagan antichrist lent programmed into the minds of its subjects and then their is TRUTH from Word of God**

What you're claiming here is not reality.
---katavasia on 3/6/09


Rhonda ... Someone has fed you nonsense.

"Christian Blogs" are not mentioned in the Bible, yet you are joining in on them.
---alan8566_of_UK on 3/5/09


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Doesn't it bother you to make statements that have no basis in reality, Rhonda?
---katavasia on 3/5/09


Which reality katavasia ...there is "reality" of rcc its pagan antichrist lent programmed into the minds of its subjects and then their is TRUTH from Word of God

I serve God and his Word which in REALITY is the ONLY TRUTH ....REALITY is "lent" is not part of Gods Word

lies cloud truth which is why rcc creates its own antichrist documents AGAINST The Eternal

only option you have is to seek truth ...pretty easy to do since lent is NOT in Word of God just look to history that confirms pagan lent created for sun-god or stay within your idea of what your were TOLD reality is....
---Rhonda on 3/5/09


Mima:- What are deacon boards?, are you saying the congregation of Baptists are not a denomination? Why then do we have several denominations amidst this sect of worshippers who I also understand pray to cloths?Please increase my understanding.
---MIC on 3/5/09


**Lent is nothing more than another tradition to make people feel good about themselves, just as the Jews did with their traditions.**

If properly entered into, the fasting and abstinence during during Lent do NOT make you feel good about yourself, but rather show you just how broken and sinful you really are.

On the other hand, revivals, invitation hymns, altar calls, and sucn non-Biblical customs are rituals designed to make people feel good about themselves, because they think they are saved when they get through.

** cc did not invent lent stolen from pagan customs merged into this false brand of christianity **

Doesn't it bother you to make statements that have no basis in reality, Rhonda?
---katavasia on 3/5/09


I'm Eastern Orthodox, and this custom is TOTALLY unknown. For that matter, Lent starts on a Monday.
The same for most Eastern Catholics.
---katavasia on 3/4/09

Could you please explain the 40 days until Easter Vigil, if Lent starts on Monday?
Thanks.

Also, I know that Eastern Catholics {Marinorites (sp?)} start Advent 2 weeks earlier than the Latin Rite.
But, I never heard of Lent being on Mondays for the Eastern Catholics.

I take it when you say Eastern Catholics, you are speaking about Eastern Catholics still connected to the Chair of Peter.
If not, please explain also.

God bless.
---Natalie2 on 3/4/09


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rcc did not invent lent stolen from pagan customs merged into this false brand of christianity 2Corin 11:4, in Rev 17 rcc is the MOTHER and her harlots are her daughters ...this church rides the beast she is nothing more than a puppet for the god of this world 2Corin 4:4

NOTICE Apostles never rubbed ashes on their heads ...True Christians follow Christ by his Holy Word and the examples of the Apostles who followed Christ

lent is simply a 40 day fast for sun-god as in bright shining light object in sky ...lent has nothing to do with The Fathers SON called Christ ...lent mocks The Father by taking pagan practices and merging them into Christ ...it is antichrist per Word of God
---Rhonda on 3/4/09


*The RCC does not practice putting ashes on the back of the hand. Only on the forehead in the symbol of a cross.**

In some places it is on the hand.

**
The Eastern Orthrodox put ashes on forehead.**

I'm Eastern Orthodox, and this custom is TOTALLY unknown. For that matter, Lent starts on a Monday.

The same for most Eastern Catholics.
---katavasia on 3/4/09


The marking or rub of ashes across the forehead symbolises we were born of dust and to dust we shall return.
---Ann on 3/4/09


Mike ... "only the catholic church practice that tradition of ash rubbing on the forehead & on the back of the hand. and the mark on the forehead signifies the acceptance of teachings of the pope."

Two lies
---alan8865_of_UK on 3/4/09


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Mima:- You made a ststement but did not care to defend it. Why? was it because it was false or you did not have enough truthful subject matter to substantiate your statement.Lent means Repent Change.I wish you would too.It is not a sin to admit ones Guilt.It takes a man with intestinal fortitude.
---MIC on 3/4/09


to katavasia

the lion, bear, leopard & the beast in the book of daniel are not kingdoms? ask your priest what are they.
---mike on 3/4/09


Most denominations have unbiblical practices or doctrines the RCC practice Lent the Baptist have deacon boards.
The more you can avoid being influenced by denominations the closer you can know the mind of God!!
---mima on 3/4/09


**the book of daniel & revelation tells the rise of the roman empire & the roman catholic church.**

No they are not. They are talking about Protestants and pop-evangelicals.
---katavasia on 3/4/09


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..ash rubbing on the forehead and on the back of the hand...Why is it called ROMAN catholic church?---mike

The RCC does not practice putting ashes on the back of the hand. Only on the forehead in the symbol of a cross.
Never once is the Pope's name is said. Jesus' Name is repeated. Where are you getting your information? Please check your facts.

You are confusing the ashes with the Anointing of the Sick.
Holy Oil is rubbed at the back of the hands, lips, ears and forehead.
The Eastern Orthrodox put ashes on forehead.
Some Protestants as well. Methodists and others.

It is called Roman because the Chair of Peter is in Rome, Italy. Later it became it's own Country, as Vatican City.
---Natalie2 on 3/3/09


As a protestant who particpates in lent, I will explain it to you. Lent is about removing the junk from your life and replacing it with God. A time to idenify with the sufferings and humility of Jesus. The ashes symbolize a biblical sorrow over personal sin and a spirit of repentance. During lent, one fasts from things in their life that take away from Jesus. For example, I am fasting from the snooze button and secular television. I mostly watch secularly. During the hours you would have spent on what you're fasting from, you read your bible. You can pray. Lent is about redicating your life to your savior. If you don't put God in the blank time, it's empty fasting.
---Elaina on 3/3/09


The tradition of Lent has nothing to do with making Christians feel better about themselves. It is, actually, quite the opposite. It is a wonderful time for penitential reflection.
---Martha on 3/3/09


pt 1
only the catholic church practice that tradition of ash rubbing on the forehead & on the back of the hand. and the mark on the forehead signifies the acceptance of teachings of the pope.
the book of daniel & revelation tells the rise of the roman empire & the roman catholic church.
so what other 'religion' practices that tradition of cross rubbing on the forehead?
and history records how cathlics / pope persecuted the jews to the point that the jews could not buy or sell unless they convert to catholicism.

Why is it called ROMAN catholic church?
---mike on 3/3/09


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pt 2
the beasts in daniel were
lion = persia
bear = babylon
4 headed winged leopard = greece
beast = rome

the beast in revelation LOOKs like
the 4 beast in daniel. right now europe is a combination of the 4 beast in revelation. and the ROMAN catholic church rose from that empire / continent with the 'conversion' of constantine to 'christianity'.
---mike on 3/3/09


**Lent is nothing more than another tradition to make people feel good about themselves, just as the Jews did with their traditions.**

The history of Lent is too complex to discuss here, so I will confine myself to two questions:

1. Does the Church, which Christ founded with authority to bind and to loose in heaven and on earth, have the authority to proclaim and enjoin a period of fasting?

2. If not, why not?

(I'll leave aside the issue of sucn non-Biblical practices as altar calls, invitation hymns, and revivals.)
---katavasia on 3/3/09


I remember the priest saying something like "from dust thou art and to dust thy shall return",teaching humility and reminding us that God created us from the dust of the earth.I believe that is what Ash Wednesday is supposed to remind us of.
---judy on 3/3/09


Adam was made from dirt. When the Priest applies the blessed ashes to your forehead he says these words:'O man, remember you are from dirt and to dirt you shall return!'
No pretentiously pious act. Many people tell me I have a black smug on my face. They think I forgot to wash my face.

3 acts during Lent: fasting, almsgiving and prayer Mt6:2-4,5-6,16-18 Not to be seen by people Mt 6:1. Rather, penance for repentance and goodwill towards others. We fast from daily pleasure, not necesarily food. Smoking or favorite TV program, etc.
No meat on Fridays.
Fasting:Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.
Fridays in Lent - Stations of the Cross -reflecting on the sufferings of Christ.
Then we CELEBATE EASTER! Saturday Night is Easter Sunday.
---Natalie on 3/3/09


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Mike, the ashes are from last year's Palm Sunday leaves. They are Blessed Palms from the Priest. The Sunday before Easter is Palms Sunday. We copy the people as in Matthew 21:8-9.
We kept the Palms until next year for Ash Wednesday (Some turn the Palms into crosses for decoration in their homes).
We turn them into the Priest and he burns them. He blesses the Ashes.
On Ash Wednesday the first day of Lent.
Latin: Lent is quadragesima which means forty days. In Greek: tessarakoste (fortieth). As when Jesus fasted in the desert for 40 days. Matthew 4:1-2.
Sundays are not considered fast days. So if you omit all Sundays you will come up with 40 days not 46 days.
---Natalie on 3/3/09


There are always those who say if you do any thing different from what I do, you are wrong.

I'm not Catholic, but if something honors Jesus and reminds people of Him, I see no reason to object.

Don't tell me that other churches..Baptist, Fundamentalist, Pentecostal etc. don't have rituals of their own. Go into any church and try to change what they are used to in their services...you'll have a bunch of indignant Christians after you!
---Donna66 on 3/2/09


Mima:-Lent is NOT a tradition. It is a time of Repentence -Take stock of where you are with Your Creator- CHANGE. If you are on this walk to perfection as asked By Jesus Then 40 days is the time Jesus spent, in the wilderness led by the Holy spirit to strengthen HIM, Jesus used this time to Prepare for His ministry.Try the wilderness experience if you desire to absorb God.
Mima 'is it wrong to imitate Jesus' for 40 days.Examine your heart and do not be swayed by the remarks of the people who do not wish to FOLLOW OUR LORD.Are you one of them? "Love one another as I have loved you"
---MIC on 3/2/09


Hi, just my opinion here, but I don't see a cross being used as the mark of the beast--that would acknowledge our Savior in the first place, wouldn't it? :)
---Mary on 3/2/09


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Lent cannot be found in the bible.
---mima on 3/2/09


Neither is the words Bible, Trinity!
---Ruben on 3/2/09


Mima ... Lent is not in the bible ... so what?

Nor is having lotteries at yuor evangalising meetings.
---alan8566_of_UK on 3/2/09


Lent cannot be found in the bible.
"Lent is nothing more than another tradition to make people feel good about themselves, just as the Jews did with their traditions. In Mark 7:7, Jesus Christ rebuked the Jews for their traditions. "Howbeit in vain ("emptiness") do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." In Verse 9, Christ further states that, "Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition" From the internet
by a DR. Yonce
---mima on 3/2/09


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