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What are the solid, scientific facts in favor of either Creation and Evolution?

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Atheist Hitler called himself a Christian. That does not make him a Christian. Many others have scoured the Bible to justify their secular power crazes.

You quote him : ".I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison"

Can you tell us which passage that was, and honestly tell us whether his reading of it was justified in any way?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/24/10

Warwick,Hitler was a Christian. He said he was a Christian, he read the Bible, he was inspired to action based on what he read in the Bible. You are stuck with that.

Hitler's 'faith' did not give him comfort but justified his meglomanical destruction of other human beings. He was a religious fanatic---a Christian religious fanatic.

What he did, was based on what he believed the 'Word' said. He was insane and morally bankrupt by anyone's definition---anyone of any religion,---or none as an atheist or agnostic.

Your Bible quotes cannot prove that Hitler was not a Christian, much less that he was an atheist. He was what he believed himself to be and he read the same Bible as you.
---atheist on 2/24/10


How can atheism be a religion? I do not pray, engage in any rituals, have any special holidays, have a scripture or canon, or even a group of people I meet with regularly who are of one atheistic sect or tradition.

You ask: "Do you support the wholesale murder of millions that this "religion" has produced...?"

Not anymore that you support the actions of Hitler or the excesses of the inquisitions, the Crusades, etc. Of course I could be wrong about you on that...
---atheist on 2/24/10

Atheist your lack of logic is stunning.

Jesus tells us:

Matthew 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God."

Matthew 5:44 "... Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,"

Luke 23:34 "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

We are to be peacemakers, love our enemies, forgive those who persecute us etc, but Hitler, who lived in direct opposition to Christ is, in your thinking, a Christian! Bizarre.
---Warwick on 2/24/10

agnostic: "That being my reality I want to do everything I can to protect my children and future generations from religious fanaticism and irrationality."

Communist ATHEISM is an irrational form of religious fanaticism. Do you support the wholesale murder of millions that this "religion" has produced (e.g. Stalin, Mao)?
---jerry6593 on 2/24/10

Something/One must be eternal and therefore everything come from it/Him.
If matter and energy, then everything from it must be chaotic, undirected, random.
We don't see this in the universe.
We see petterns, logic, codes.
Such as we should see if there is a Creator Who is Eternal.
---MIchael on 2/23/10

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth!... In boundless love as a Christian...I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly...the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross.-Adolf Hitler 12 April 1922.

Got that Warwick?
---atheist on 2/23/10


Thank you so much for you well thought out and insightful psychobabble. What is your hourly fee?

My here is this planet, not this blog. That being my reality I want to do everything I can to protect my children and future generations from religious fanaticism and irrationality.

I have not found many answers here, but I do understand better the comfort some say they get from their belief in 'god'. You can believe anything you want as long as you don't use your belief to hurt others.
---atheist on 2/23/10

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Then type in what it is that you want to be in bold.

Then to stop the bold, type in these marks < / b >

But don't put a space between those marks. They will then generate the effect you want.

If you want italics, use i instead of the b.

Hope yuo undersand this, and can make it work!
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/23/10

Atheist I apologize if I have misrepresented your comments. You wrote "Those who use it as a spiritual guide, as what Cluny called 'mature Christians', and get comfort from it, I can understand. More than that has frightening consequences."

Please explain what you mean by "More than that has frightening consequences."
---Warwick on 2/23/10

Atheist the problem for you is, naturalistically speaking, that either matter created itself (magic) or is eternal. You ridicule the idea of eternal God, asking the nonsensical question, of Christians: Who created God?

Matter could be eternal, but if matter is eternal, why not God?

You are in very much the same position as we are, you accept your view of origins by faith, while hypocritically deriding those of a different faith.

I thank God I do not live in a country whose government is atheistic or your derision could be physical as well. I live in a democracy founded upon Christianity. Imagine if I lived in atheistic North Korea where Christians are routinely assaulted, tortured, and executed for their faith.
---Warwick on 2/23/10

There is no scientific evidence for spontaneous bio-genesis, that cells can change their own complexity, or how the simple elements that make up a man don't explain personality, emotion and other individual phenomena assumed in evolution.
Atheists will argue against organized religion and even against God but they cannot support the aforementioned craziest anti-scientific assumptions starting with a beginning without a cause.

Thank you Warwick, thank you Kay, thank you Jerry.
---larry on 2/23/10

Atheist has also made claims that following Christ has dire consequences for society. I have asked him to justify this. No reply! It is of course a nonsense claim.
---Warwick on 2/22/10

Atheist is trying to play gamble logic. He's not sure so he challenges. His thinking is...if he is to appear before GOD, he can say....but, I was searching/provoking your best for truth and they provided none.

He is also lonely, and given over to something that he cannot give up. By residing here he feels a little less lonely and safer.
---Trav on 2/23/10


I wrote:"The inerrancy and literal 'truth' that believers claim they find thus affects everyone.

Those who use it as a spiritual guide, as what Cluny called 'mature Christians', and get comfort from it, I can understand. More than that has frightening consequences."

Warwick has evolved and remeaned that into: "Also please explain to us what are the dire consequences for society if we choose to follow Jesus?"

My point is very close to your statement---"those who use religion for their own ends", but in this case the bible and some Christians. But it can be expanded to include all scriptures and religions and fundamentalist of all stripes and colors.
---atheist on 2/23/10


In that matter and energy convert one to the other your question is and always has been nonsensical.

But if 'god' can be eternal, then why can't matter and energy? Why must one not, according to your rules, explain the former, but must explain ther latter? If 'god' can be eternal and have no maker, then so can matter and energy.

Here is a thing I just don't know : why is it that you say it must be so...
---atheist on 2/23/10

1 Corinthians 1:18-21 serves...

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
---kay on 2/23/10

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Atheist surely it has not escaped your attention that you posed the question-who created God-on a Christian website. Therefore the only correct answer for a Christian (one who believes God's word) to Give is that the God of whom we speak is uncreated, being eternal. Whether you believe God is eternal or not is irrelevant as you did not pose the question to yourself.

I have asked you and will ask again: Did matter create itself or is it eternal?

Also please explain to us what are the dire consequences for society if we choose to follow Jesus?

You are quick to question, but slow to answer!
---Warwick on 2/22/10


I have answered your question before. But you seem unwilling to accept the answer.

In your view of the universe you must limit the wonderment of it all. You ask I reinterate some provable scientific theory (the absolute provability of which would make it not a theory) or accept a 'god', preferably your personal 'God' as imagined by you and your interpretation of the bible, which you believe to be the innerant and literal 'word of God.'

There is the third answer, "I don't know," parallelling the position of many scientists---"We don't know---yet". There are many things I do not 'know', and there is not shame in that. But that lack of 'knowing' does not require a belief in 'god'.

---atheist on 2/22/10

Warwick ... I see now why you gave just those two options.

I notice that it is some long time now since atheist "made claims that following Christ has dire consequences for society"

I wonder whether our discussion with him are showing him that it is not the following Christ that causes the world's problems, but those who use religion for their own ends?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/23/10

Warwick: Our friend Atheist is not an atheist at all, since when he is backed into a corner, his truthful answer is "I don't know." That's why I call him "agnostic."

Have you counted the actual number of responses to this blog that contain ANY sort of scientific facts? And Michael wonders why I'm bored.... LOL!
---jerry6593 on 2/23/10

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Cleary you are bored. You have already decided the answer to this question. You simply want someone to argue with...
---atheist on 3/2/09
Could say same for you:
Did 'god' make the universe just for man?
---atheist on 2/2/10
or maybe argue is not the same as discuss.
---MIchael on 2/22/10

Alan, as I was posing the question to an atheist I did not bother giving him the-God is creator-option as he does not believe in God, god or in the supernatural at all.

Having spoken with many atheists over the decades I know that the only two options for them are: either matter spontaneously created itself, or it is eternal. My question is therefore fair.

But he is unlikely to answer it.

Atheist has also made claims that following Christ has dire consequences for society. I have asked him to justify this. No reply! It is of course a nonsense claim.
---Warwick on 2/22/10

"If Atheist read the Bible he would know that the God of whom we speak is eternal."---Warwick

I do read the bible, but that doesn't prove to me or anyone else that 'god' is eternal of exists for that matter.

You rely on magic to explain origins, although you choose to call it "unknown natural forces." What's the difference?---Jerry

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."---Arthur C. Clarke

Let me rephrase---Any 'unexplainable phenomenon' can be indisthiguisable from magic or an act of 'god'. Or you can I say, "About this, I just don't know", and remain eternally curious and in wonderment.
---atheist on 2/22/10

I read the news today. Apparently he doesn't (Love everyone) and he appears to be distributing pain and suffering randomly, irrelevent to the behavior of people. Or may he just not there...
---atheist on 2/19/10

Well GOD never stated he did...Love everybody, so can't hold him to that. He also is not doing the distributing himself (except in select cases).
And it's not irrevelant to the behavior of the people. Its just the atheists are not doing anything about what is going on.

I guess you expect a non-exsistant GOD to show you...but, then you'd believe.
Then what would you do for a hobby?? Try to convince people he does exist? But, he doesn't love everyone...everyone does not make it. So who ya gonna call on.
---Trav on 2/22/10

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Warwick ... It was an unfair question, because you only gave Atheist the choice of two possible answers, when there are others.

Your answer (that God is eternal, and so was not created, he was creator of everything) was not one of the two possibilities you had offered him.

Yours of course is the correct answer.

But your question to Atheist was a bit like asking "When did you stop beating your wife? Answer yes or no".
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/22/10

Alan, you wrote "Warwick, you ask Atheist "Consider matter: did it create itself or is it eternal?" "

"That is an unfair question, since you don't give all the possibilities. What do you say in answer to your own question?"

An unfair question? I don't think so. If Atheist read the Bible he would know that the God of whom we speak is eternal. He being the creator of everything that was created. Considering this his question is not a genuine one, while mine is.

Surely all Christians believe God is the creator of all there is.
---Warwick on 2/22/10

agnostic: "To fabricate 'god' to explain what you cannot is intellectually weak and disingenuious."

To elevate oneself to be on a plane of understanding at the level of or above God is blasphemy. Asking childish questions such as "could God create an object so heavy He couldn't lift it" or "who created the Creator" are silly and devoid of intellect.

You rely on magic to explain origins, although you choose to call it "unknown natural forces." What's the difference?

BTW, do YOU know why the sky is blue? I do.
---jerry6593 on 2/22/10

If you want to get technical, the Spirit created the Creator, but the Spirit is also the Creator who is everlasting, whom has no beginning nor ending, else he would not be the Everlasting God. God is the very Beginning, and before God there is nothing at all: for God is, God was, and God always will be: He is the great I Am before he created Adam and the world and all things in it, and he is the great I Am who holds the world in space spinning it and moving it around his Sun, and he will be the great I Am after he destroys this world and creates his new world.
---Eloy on 2/21/10

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Warwick, you ask Atheist "Consider matter: did it create itself or is it eternal?"

That is an unfair question, since you don't give all the possibilities. What do you say in answer to your own question?

There seems to be a huge difference in belief between the evolutionist and the creationist.

The evolutionist would appear to believe that matter is eternal, and at the moment of the big Bang, the compressed matter suddenly expanded and became the universe.

On the other hand, the creationsit believes that matter was created by God at a specific moment in time a few thousand years ago.
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/19/10

Warwick, thanks for the recommend of the Dawkins/Lennox debate. It was great.
---Rod4Him on 2/19/10


Your answer has always been that a 'supernatural creator' created creation, and that creation cannot be and will never be explained with natural explanations.

So it is hardly childish to ask where the creator came from. Your supernatural 'god' answers nothing in the question. It just puts it off. Same thing with the 'intelligent designer', who or what designed the intelligent designer?

If a child asks why the sky is blue, you can say because it is, or 'god' made it that way. But neither are answers. If the child asks again, 'why' do you say shutup or admit you don't have a complete answer? To fabricate 'god' to explain what you cannot is intellectually weak and disingenuious.
---atheist on 2/19/10

agnostic: "So who created the 'Creator'?" This is your idea of a solid, scientific fact in favor of evolution? How childish!
---jerry6593 on 2/19/10

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Atheist, upon what do you base your idea that the creator was created?

A question for you:

Consider matter: did it create itself or is it eternal?
---Warwick on 2/19/10

So who created the 'Creator'? What are the solid scientific facts in favor of the creator of the creator? And who created the creator of the creator,(...of the creator)---and so on and so on and so on...
---atheist on 2/18/10

I would recommend everybody view the debate between Prpf. Richard Dawkins and Dr Lennox (Christian) also of Oxford University. Lennox is a very kind man but none the less gently tore apart Dawkins evolutionary/atheistic philosophies.

Dawkins became flustered and appeared defeated. His pride took a solid hit. I can now understand why he will not take part in a debate with scientists from Creation Ministries International. It is easier to attack from the safety of books, documentaries, the fawning press, and his university 'pulpit.'

A must see. Google it.
---Warwick on 2/18/10

Evolution starts with the assumption that there is no God, and that life forms magically spring forth by accident. It puts forth the most childish conjectures in support of this assumption: That fossils in higher layers were the offspring of those in lower layers, that the geneology of these life forms can be understood by the similarity of bones alone, that an offspring can be modified by the actions (not the genetics) of a parent, that the development of a human embryo mimics evolutionaty development, etc.

For scientific evidence, evolutionists manufacture fake "missing links," and perpetuate their fables by forced atheistic indoctrination in government schools and by ridicule of opposing views in the state-run news media.
---jerry6593 on 2/18/10

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Warwick, I must tell you, I am not too keen on Martin Luther, who was a virulent antisemite. Have a great day, and God bless!
---JohnnyB on 3/6/09

So you are virulent "anti-christ" lover. You have bought the very thing the spiritual enemy sells. You love the enemys of christ and hate the ones that tell you otherwise.

The Semite bill of goods you have been sold. The deny Christ. In fact the hate and work spitefully to this day to destroy the concept of Christ. But, you defend em. Hmmmm. And don't even realize....all the other nations of Israel...still exist an are the lost sheep.
---Trav on 1/12/10

hey why dont you guys watch "the case for a creator" by lee strobel? that whole dvd (or book) shuts down evolution and proves creationism with pure scientific evidence.
---Jovani on 1/12/10

Michael: Good point! In fact, the design of the entire universe is one of highly improbable, extraordinary precision. It is as if, whether exploring the minutest structure of the atom or the farthest cluster of galaxies, God's fingerprints are everywhere.
---jerry6593 on 1/12/10

The exactness of size/distace relationship between the earth, sun, and moon with corresponding revolution paths and rotational periods of each point toward order/intelligence and not chaos/randomness.
The moon's rotation exactly the same as it's revolution around earth.. Awesome engineering!!
---MIchael on 1/10/10

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The pseudoscientific propaganda of liberal academia notwithstanding, the scientific facts are on the side of Creation. The structure of the fossil record, for example, from the lack of Cambrian precursors in the Precambrian layer to polystrate trees, to gravel sorting in all geologic layers, to accelerator mass spectrometer C14 dating of ALL fossils, points to the contemporaneity of ALL life fossilized in a worldwide flood. No theory of gradualism coupled with evolution can produce the evidence preserved in the earth's fossil-bearing layers.
---jerry6593 on 1/10/10

Evolution is a belief system. There is no evidence for it. Darwin hoped to find it but didn't. He expected it to be found sometime after his death, but it hasn't been found.

Evolution relies on DNA having information added to it from someplace other than the two parents. This is IMPOSSIBLE and always has been. Unless some laboratory can do it today technologically, but it certainly never happened naturally.

The man who named dinosaurs (Richard Owen) did not believe in natural selection. Darwin didn't believe dinosaurs existed with men. Happen they were both right!!
---frances008 on 5/31/09

Solid scientific facts anyone?
---jerry6593 on 5/30/09

Amanda, evolution is a belief created to explain how the universe,the world and all therein arrived without supernatural creation.

Biblical creation, on the other hand, is all about our supernatural Creator.

The two are opposites. There is no God in evolution, nor any evolution in God's word.

There is no scientific way of proving either. However the Biblical narrative fits closely with reality while evolution falls at the first hurdle. I can be more specific if you wish.
---Warwick on 4/20/09

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"Idk, but why can't it be both?"
---amand6348 on 4/19/09

Because each contradicts the other.
---jerry6593 on 4/20/09

Idk, but why can't it be both?
---amand6348 on 4/19/09

Warwick, thank you. I really appreciate that. We may disagree on some issues but I think we agree on salvation and reconciliation with God in Christ. Have a great day. God bless!
---JohnnyB on 3/12/09

Thanks JohnnyB.

I beat you to 65 my a few months. I do understand how difficult it is to understand some things written. And also how difficult to explain difficult concepts in under 125 words.
---Warwick on 3/12/09

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Warwick, I apologize for misreading you. It is not always easy to discern the gist of posts here. Please forgive me. Today I turn 65. So I may be a little senile by now! God bless!
---JohnnyB on 3/11/09

JohnnyB you missrepresent me!

I do not defend any evil.

I endeavour to defend Scripture and am thankful Luther instigated the break-away from the RC religion, a mixture of pre-Christian paganism, Christianity and anti-Biblical 'doctrines of men.'

You wrote 'Anyone who takes up arms or persecutes people in the name of Christ does evil.' as if I would disagree!

Let us not forget that this exchange originated in my comments to another blogger regarding our need to defend Scriture, in this instance Genesis creation, from attacks. I used Luthers comments to illustrate this.

If we are to discredit his comments we must reject Paul who was a killer of Christians! And then Peter....
---Warwick on 3/11/09

Warwick, you can go ahead and defend Protestant evil, saying it was 'worth it.' I will not defend either Protestant or Catholic evil, especially regarding antisemitism. Anyone who takes up arms or persecutes people in the name of Christ does evil. God bless you!
---JohnnyB on 3/10/09

JohnnyB ages before the reformation the RCC was slaughtering anyone who disagreed with them-e.g. the French Cathars, supposedly to the last man.

My ancestors, French protestants, were slaughtered in large numbers, not in a 'war' where two armies opposed one another but a one-sided slaughter born of RCC intolerance for dissent.

'Religious' wars have been fought, none upon Christian reformation principles.

The reformation released Christianity from the grip of RC, a religion then quite pagan.

Whatever the cost of freedom, it is worth it.

Rejecting the reformation because Luther was or was not anti-Semitic is akin to rejecting advances in medicine because some of the scientists involved were immoral.
---Warwick on 3/10/09

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JohnnyB the reformation is not the point.

The point was that Christians are commanded to defend the word of God and Luther made an excellent point. We must defend it all, especially any section which the world attacks. Today, sadly even in Christian circles, the truth of Genesis is taught against even though Jesus says it is historical truth and even though it is the only historical foundation of the only historical gospel.

It is like defending a walled city. The leader places extra troops where the enemy is attacking the hardest.
---Warwick on 3/10/09

atheist: I'm never bored. Too many exciting things to do. I occassionally hear that evolution is a proven fact, and thus beyond discussion. I am just fishing to see if any evolutionists actually know what they are talking about or are just parroting the propaganda of academia.

I believe that the existence of polonium haloes in granite, for example, with their ~3 minute half-life, is prima facia evidence for fiat creation. Is there any such evidence for evolution? Many experiments have attempted to prove evolution, but ALL of them have failed.
---jerry6593 on 3/10/09

Warwick, the Reformation sparked religious wars in Europe, killing millions of people. In fact, at least a third of the population of the German states died between 1618 and 1648. So, no, I can't say the Reformation was a good thing. And, no, I am not Catholic. God bless you.
---JohnnyB on 3/9/09

Warwick, Luther wrote a book, which is still in print, called "The Jews and their Lies." In it he called for their dispossession and extermination. The Nazis used it to help justify their own agenda. Sad but true. God bless, and have a great week!
---JohnnyB on 3/9/09

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JohnnyB rejecting Luthers message because of his anti-Semitism is 'throwing the baby our with the bathwater.' Do you also reject the reformation?

Luther wasn't anti-Semitic like Nazi's as he desired to convert them whereas the Nazi desire was to exterminate them.

Luther thought Jews would accept their Messiah when he removed Christianity from the dark hands of the papacy. This didn't happen and in his latter life he became somewhat ill and bitter, making his anti-Semitic comments then. Most consider these comments were an aberation as Hitler was also an aberation within the Germanic peoples.

Nonetheless do you get the point? Christians must defend whatever part of Scripture the world attacks, e.g. Genesis creation.
---Warwick on 3/6/09

Laurie: God bless you! I believe that, in the eyes of God, a good mother is the highest office to which a human being can attain!
---jerry6593 on 3/7/09

Warwick, I must tell you, I am not too keen on Martin Luther, who was a virulent antisemite. Have a great day, and God bless!
---JohnnyB on 3/6/09


Very good. I agree it's not right for our government to decide creationism can't be taught in schools alongside evolution, but they're going to fight tooth and nail to keep it that way. The only thing we can do, and I did this, is educate our own children at home.

I started early, explaining what the Bible says and what my son would hear at school. We've had many interesting discussions over the years, and he's never wavered in his faith in God's word. He's 28 now, went to college, recently married, and is already thinking about what his own children (someday) will be learning in school.
---Laurie on 3/6/09

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Laurie: "If one side just stopped talking and the only thing you heard was the side that was wrong, would that be a good thing, do you think?"

That is a perfect description of the educational system in the USA. Children are taught Evolution from kindergarten through postgraduate level, and are never allowed to hear the scientific arguments against it. I don't think that is a good thing.

Also, how can a Christian adore the God who inspired 1 Cor 13 while believing in Evolution, when that same God wrote with His own finger:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is?
---jerry6593 on 3/6/09

Thanks Johnny.

Did you get Martin Luther's point?
---Warwick on 3/5/09

Warwick, argue away, and God be with you. All of us here want to make our views known, or I suppose we wouldn't be here.
---JohnnyB on 3/5/09

JohnnyB possibly what you see as arguing is in reality Christians defending the truth of Scripture against attack, as we are commanded to do. The world does not attack 1 Corinthians 13 but attacks Genesis with ferocity.

Consider: If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the Word of God except precisely that little point which the world and the devil are at that moment attacking, I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Him. Where the battle rages there the loyalty of the soldier is proved, and to be steady on all the battle front besides, is mere flight and disgrace if he flinches at that point (Luthers Works. Weimar Edition. Briefwechsel [Correspondence], vol. 3, pp. 81f.)
---Warwick on 3/4/09

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Peter if God did not mean us to believe in 6 24hr day creation why did he go to so much trouble to define what a day is, in Genesis Ch. 1?

Why did He then say the time span of our week, 6 days work, seventh day of rest, was based, in its time-span, directly upon the time-span of His original creation/rest? See Exodus 20:8-11

If He didn't mean what He plainly wrote in Genesis & Exodus how can we believe what He wrote elsewhere? See John 3:12 the words of the Creator, The Lord Jesus!
---Warwick on 3/4/09

Laurie, thank you. That is my sentiment. The creationist/evolutionist controversy is totally irrelevant to me. God bless you.
---JohnnyB on 3/4/09


That's a sweet sentiment, it's like saying if everyone obeyed God, what a wonderful world this would be. The reality is, everyone does not obey God, and everyone does not agree on the issue of creation/evolution.

If one side just stopped talking and the only thing you heard was the side that was wrong, would that be a good thing, do you think? The Bible says we should be like-minded. How do you do that without discussion?

We are supposed to share the truth in love, so I don't disagree that I Cor. 13 is important. Thank you for that reminder.
---Laurie on 3/4/09

If we put as much energy into living out 1 Corinthians 13 as we do arguing about creation/evolution, the Christian community, and the world, would be much more pleasant to live in. God bless you.
---JohnnyB on 3/3/09

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It's more complicated than just deciding whether day means 24 hours or a long period of time. It affects doctrinal issues, such as the biblical teaching that thru one man, Adam, sin (and death) came into the world.

Since fish, birds, animals and man were not created until the 5th and 6th days and there was no death before Adam and Eve disobeyed God, there could have been no fossils containing dead creatures formed until after the 6th day.

If evolutionists could let go of the idea that the universe was formed over millions of years, they would not feel the need to attack those who believe that God is able to do what most would say is impossible, create a universe, from nothing, in six 24-hour periods.
---Laurie on 3/3/09

Hi, Peter . . . that is very clear. I'm Bill. One thing I think is evidence is how we do have material things operating by predictable principles > if these scientific principles had existed on their own for all past eternity, how come they formed the universe when they did, versus at some time earlier *in all past eternity*? Another thing > I've been told an electron with a *negative* charge can pass right through a nucleus, without being held by the *positive* protons there. WHO makes a lightweight electron able to move through positive protons and not get caught? And if God is able to manage electrons at such speeds, He could make this universe pretty quick, I'd say. And look at how fast light can move > God can make things happen fast.
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/3/09

No person can define what faith is. They must experience it for themselves. If they don't have faith in God then they can't believe in anything he done, therefore leaving answers that can't be explained scientifically. Scientists have tried to come up with scientific facts but come up empty. Joke: Some Scientists got together and told God they could make man like he did. God said okay, go for it. One scientist bent down to grab some dirt, and God said hold on a minute, get your own dirt. Needless to say, man has never came close to what God can do.
---Rebecca_D on 3/3/09

I belong to the LDS church. My church does not have an official stand on how long it took to create the earth. My church teaches that the creation was completed in 7 time periods called days. If creationists could let go of the idea that a day is equal to 24 hours or 1000 years then they would not need to be so defensive. We humans always try to reconcile what we see in nature with our own incorrect view of God. Would it not be better to study nature in order to learn the nature of God? My personal belief is that God, using natural principles, patiently created the earth over millions of years. To me, this idea adds to Gods love and greatness.
---Peter on 3/2/09

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To believe in evolution is like believing in a fairy tale. When I was is school they always taught us that 0+0=0, so how can the evolutionist say that 0+0=everyting? That just doesn't make any sense. As far as I'm concerened if you read the Bible, that explains everything. They have found all different kinds of fossils all grouped together in certain areas to prove to us that there really was a global flood plus the Grand Canyon is also proof for me. They knew well before Columbus that the earth was round plus many,many more facts. God Bless
---colupy on 3/2/09


Cleary you are bored. You have already decided the answer to this question. You simply want someone to argue with...
---atheist on 3/2/09

I dont believe there is any scientific proof that anything was created. belief in God is a matter of there is legal proof by eyewitness testimony of and about jesus,which speake of many miracles that humans cant do.and his own witness about who he was,and the further witness testimont of his resurrection being the greatest as far as evolution it to is a matter of faith.there is no scientific proof substantial enough anywhere to proof it either,even though the world teaches it as fact.and actually in a court of law evolutuion would more likely be called here say and inadmissable testimony.
---tom2 on 3/2/09

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