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Is it wrong for Christians to consume alcohol?

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Paul told Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach. Red wine is said to have properties that aid in bodily health. We are free to drink, but not to get drunk, which is an abuse of the freedom.
---Vicki on 5/11/09


Jesus made it, John 2:3-11, "and his disciples believed on him."
Melchizedek, Genesis 14:18.
It:
Was a curse to not be able to drink it, Isaiah 1:22, 24:11, Micah 6:15.
Was used in offerings, Exodus 29:40, Numbers 15:4-10.
Had medicinal uses, 2Samuel 16:2, Proverbs 31:6, 1Timothy 5:23.
Made glad, Psalm 104:15, Ecclesiastes 10:19.
Was a blessing, Proverbs 9:2, 5, Isaiah 25:6, 55:1.
Drunkenness forbidden: Esther 1:10-12, Proverbs 20:1, 23:29-35, 31:4-5, Isaiah 5:11, 28:7, Hosea 4:11, Joel 3:3, Amos 6:6, Luke 21:34, Romans 13:13, Ephesians 5:18, 1Timothy 3:8, Titus 1:7.
Alcohol was forbidden Priests entering the tabernacle, Leviticus 10:9, and Nazarites, Numbers 6:3.
Wine: H3196 yayin, G3631 oinos.
---Glenn on 4/30/09


Deuteronomy 14:26
And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

It's party time in Palestine!
---katavasia on 4/18/09

Oh Yea! AND this is exactly where Paula White, Benny Hinn and all those who ROB the sheep get their permission to SPEND YOUR TITHE money on anything THEY WANT! New Cars, houses, jewelry, etc....anything THEIR heart desires!!!

AND Boy are they rejoicing...they and their household!!!!
---kathr4453 on 4/29/09


Why should Christians support and industry and habit that kills millions every year in this world.
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Deaths from obesity and heart disease far exceed those from alcohol.

Why then should we support the fast food industry? How about sugar, pop, cake, fried chicken then?
---obewan on 4/26/09


** Why should Christians support and industry and habit that kills millions every year in this world. Why should Christians support the use of a drug whose design is to reduce your inhibitions to do wrong. Why should Christians place a stumbling block before weaker members of the church by doing that which calls the downfall of others.

Why should Christians encourage use of a drug that leades to rape, spending of money that would feed the children who are starving, leads to stupid behavior and for ages was called demon rum.**

1. Jesus's first miracle was making several hundred gallons of wine--that's WINE, not grape juice.

2. I've already pointed out how the Bible allows you to spend your tithe money on booze.
---katavasia on 4/24/09




Why should Christians support and industry and habit that kills millions every year in this world. Why should Christians support the use of a drug whose design is to reduce your inhibitions to do wrong. Why should Christians place a stumbling block before weaker members of the church by doing that which calls the downfall of others.

Why should Christians encourage use of a drug that leades to rape, spending of money that would feed the children who are starving, leads to stupid behavior and for ages was called demon rum.
---Samuel on 4/24/09


Amanda, are you talking about Nazarenes or nazareans.non of them where a sect, one was an inhabbitant of Nazareth, whilst the other was someone who was Specially dedicated in the greater Jewish faith. some sort of Voluntary temple servants.
---Andy on 4/23/09


hi i am teenager i was told

drinking fine cause jesus drank wine but being drunk and getting out of controll a Sin.
yeah i became a chirstian like 5-6weeks ago and i been spreding the word.
---louise on 4/19/09


Did you know that the Bible says you can spend yor tithe money for booze?

Deuteronomy 14:26
And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

It's party time in Palestine!
---katavasia on 4/18/09


It is wrong to get drunk or drink too much, but no I don't think the Bible condemns drinking alcohol.

If you were part of a certain sect, called the Nazarenes, you were not supposed to have alcohol (anything from the grape) or something like that.
---amand6348 on 4/17/09




As it says in Proverbs 31:6, 'Give grape juice unto those that be of heavy hearts.' God bless!
---JohnnyB on 3/17/09


Actually at one time the AG pastors did preach against drinking coffee,tea and colas.Did you know at one time in the past (the original) coca cola actually did have a small amount of cocaine in it? That was before my day even.I am 73.I met an elderly couple at church camp one year where I was the volunteer nurse and they still refused to drink anything stronger than fruit juice.
---shirley on 3/17/09


No, it is not wrong to drink - in moderation. Paul only suggest not to drink at all. Why? Because Paul knows human nature. They will drink a little, then a little more, and then more, and then a lot more which will lead to other illegal substances to releave what is causing them to release whatever needs to be released. This happens more in today's age where the proliferation of many alcohol drinks and drugs is easy. And stress is at an all time high, more so than anytime in the history of man.
---Steveng on 3/17/09


But folks the question is: Where in Scripture does God forbid the drinking of alcohol?

Let us be clear for the-a drink is drunkeness crowd: the question is specifically where does God forbid the moderate use of alcohol.

AND where in Scripture does God permit the smoking of Marijuana, tobacco, phone books etc, or the use of heroin, for example?
---Warwick on 3/17/09


Alan,
"If the doctors and AA say that, they are calling God a drug dealer, for He created the yeast and fruit that ombine to make wine."

That is not a very good argument for it can be used for any hallucinogenic drug also. After all, God created those ingredients right? How about the poppy? magic mushrooms? canabis? All natural - God created - things.
---bruce5656 on 3/17/09
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While we are at it, why don't we attack caffine too then. I mean, what good Mormon would be caught drinking coffee or a coke?
---obewan on 3/17/09


A little wine for thine infirmities is totally different to a glass of beer for thine pleasures!

However what is one mans food is another mans poison, and why should my liberty be judged by another man conscience.

If you understand limitation when drinking any beverages other than water of which still has a limit, drinking alcohol can go a miss and there 's no need for justification if it is not consumed on a regular basis without health reason.
---Carla3939 on 3/17/09


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Alan,
"If the doctors and AA say that, they are calling God a drug dealer, for He created the yeast and fruit that ombine to make wine."

That is not a very good argument for it can be used for any hallucinogenic drug also. After all, God created those ingredients right? How about the poppy? magic mushrooms? canabis? All natural - God created - things.
---bruce5656 on 3/17/09


I have yet to receive an answer to the question: If the drug alcohol is OK, why not pot? or something stronger? coke, heroin etc?

Legalities aside, what is the difference?
---bruce5656 on 3/17/09


YES!!! Why do you need to drink alcohol? Need to de-stress? Then pray and let God take over. Take the whole council of God: God's Word, the Bible and you will find it is not necessary and it is not good for our "temple" to put trash in it.
---Denise on 3/16/09
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If you have ever taken just one single drink, you would realize that the effects are minimal and can barely be noticed. Some people do drink for taste since beer and wine are a fine supplement for many foods. Also, there are proven health benefits from just one drink a day. It is good for the heart and stomach. Not the trash for the temple you claim.
---obewan on 3/17/09


YES!!! Why do you need to drink alcohol? Need to de-stress? Then pray and let God take over. Take the whole council of God: God's Word, the Bible and you will find it is not necessary and it is not good for our "temple" to put trash in it.
---Denise on 3/16/09


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Samuel ... I am sorry you have personally found that "Alcohol is a drug that removes reason and stupifies the person taking it"

But you should not say that it does that for everyone unless taken to excess.

If the doctors and AA say that, they are calling God a drug dealer, for He created the yeast and fruit that ombine to make wine.
---alan8566_of_UK on 3/13/09


Samuel: I am a recovering alcoholic from a long line of alcoholics. I do not condemn alcohol, as it is not evil. Scripture is clear that drunkenness, not drinking, is the sin.

Your logic is skewed.
---Trish9863 on 3/13/09


Yes alan I speak from past experience both personal, with friends and family. I also read on the subject. AA and doctors state that this is a drug whose purpose is to help a person lose control.

It lowers inhibitions and if you have every seen anyone drunk you should know what I am talking about. Read what Mothers against drunk drivers has to say.
---Samuel on 3/13/09


The bible speaks about drunkeness , we should not confuse the innocent substance with sin. If that is so we should not use any medication etc with alcohol or anything that has a alcohol base, it would be wrong too. The motive and or result for using anything is what we should be concerned about.
---mike on 3/11/09


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Donna ... Yes, still friends. I clearly misinterpreted what you said.
---alan8566_of_UK on 3/11/09


Samuel:-I see you did not address me direct but used The word control as the basis of your post to which I made reference.Does not each one have the power of CONTROL?People who spend THEIR money, (have if used in excess) LOST their Control.Dont blame the Vendor,The crimes committed by people totally inebriated have lost their control,same as those who commit sin.Each one of us has to be aware of this control and that is why Jesus says FOLLOW ME did Jesus Have Control? YES and so must you ie if you dont want to end up in the POH.
---Mic on 3/11/09


Touch Alan!

I wonder why God said He gave wine to cheer the heart of man if it is so diabolical? The principle is if you feel you should/should not do something. Then do it/don't do it but leave others alone.
---Warwick on 3/11/09


Samuel ... "Alcohol is a drug that removes reason and stupifies the person taking it"

Premusably you speak from your own experience?
---alan8856_of_UK on 3/11/09


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What kind of example do you give as a person who says they follow JESUS but add money to the pockets of people who make their living by destroying the lives of millions of people. How many are killed by drunk drivers? (Samuel)
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Actually, drunk driving kills 50,000 people per year. On the other hand, Deaths from Obesity: Approximately 280,000 adult deaths in the United States each year are attributable to obesity. (Source: excerpt from NIDDK _ Statistics Related to Overweight and Obesity: NIDDK)

Now we have to ask, what kind of example people set who line the pockets of McDonalds with all the lives they destroy? Overeating is currently worse than alcohol, but we dont stop eating.
---obewan on 3/11/09


alan8566_of_UK I have always had the deepest respect for you throughout the years I have been posting here.

So if I offended you, I sincerely apologize. My heart doesn't condemn anyone, honestly it doesn't. I really don't care who drinks alcohol and who doesn't, I was just saying for me, I'm convicted it's not for me. You can do whatever you want, it's between you and God.

Are we friends again?
---donna8365 on 3/11/09


Control is a good word for yourself. How about your word for others who lack control? What kind of example do you give as a person who says they follow JESUS but add money to the pockets of people who make their living by destroying the lives of millions of people. How many are killed by drunk drivers? They thought they had control.

HOw do they look to those who have been raped or beaten up by drunks. What message do we send to those who wake up pregnant with STD after drinking at night.

Alcohol is a drug that removes reason and stupifies the person taking it. How many other drugs should we partake of if we have control?
---Samuel on 3/10/09


Donna ... I had read your "If you are a temple of the Holy Ghost like the bible says you are, why would you fill your temple with alcohol?" as being condemnation, and your subesquesnt post did not seem to withdraw the condemnation.

Robyn "Drink alcohol and you will sin" Really? I do sin, but over 50 tears of drinking alcoholic drinks (not to excess) they have not led me into sin. Perhpas you speak about yourself?
---alan8566_of_UK on 3/10/09


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Trish:- The answer lies within ones self The word of Action is CONTROL.This is the secret of The road to perfection.But you already know that!!
---Mic on 3/10/09


Okay, here is the bottom line: No red. Again, in moderation. However, what is a sin for one, may not be a sin for another. [Person] There is a scripture which teaches this, also. I am talking here of wine only. There is another scripture which tells us about causing others to stumble in the faith. We are not to do it. That's it. Help me Jesus!
---catherine on 3/10/09


Alan, where did I say I condemn alcohol? I said it's all according to your level of conviction.

And like Bruce said: If you do someting that you are not sure if it is right or wrong, it is sin to you.

What about the Sabbath? Some people keep it, some don't. It's according to the level of conviction you are at. What's good for me may not be good for you and visa versa.

The Holy Spirit may allow someone to go shopping on the Sabbath while he convicts my neighbor not to do so. See my point Alan?

I don't care who drinks wine, it's ME whom the Holy Spirit convicts, not you, so drink away.
---donna8365 on 3/10/09


Alan, I love your wit. You are so right on the health risks of overconsumption of any food.

I am a person who cannot consume a lot of carbonated beverages. I must limit my soda consumption to but one a day, if that much. It upsets my stomach since I had the gastric bypass surgery. Also, I must not have sugar, hence it must be Diet Coke. BUT, diet sodas are made with Aspartame, and tons of research has come out showing Aspartame being more dangerous than alcohol. So, why don't the legalists come out against diet sodas?

Also, do these same legalists consume sugar? I have been to legalist churches at pot-luck suppers and have seen the dessert plates of some legalists. Diabetes is in their future. BUT, they don't drink.
---Trish9863 on 3/9/09


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Alcohol is like anything else. Play with fire and you get burned. Drink alcohol and you will sin. The sin is where the problem is. Not the drinking of the alcohol. Some churches use alcohol during the Lord's Supper. We don't get drunk on it, we use it responsibly. But to be on the safe side: leave it alone! It has no true and lasting value and can only spell trouble for most people.
---Robyn on 3/9/09


"I actually like a glass of wine every now and then, but realize if I drink it, I'm not sure what the Holy Spirit will think since He does dwell in my temple. So for me, this is my conviction."

One thing we know for sure. If you do someting that you are not sure if it is right or wrong, it is sin to you.

Romans 14:23 "And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin."
---bruce5656 on 3/9/09


Donna ...
The Bible does not condemn the eating of fish
Nor of meat
nor of tomatoes,
nor of carrots
nor the drinking of water
nor of Coca Cola
nor of grapefruit juice

Excessive consumption of any of those could kill you. But you don't condemn these foods and drinks.

The Bible does not condemn the drinking of alcohol.

So why do you condemn it?
---alan_of_UK on 3/9/09


Alan, you crack me up. Meat, fish, etc., doesn't have alcohol in it, so it's okay to eat. Alcohol can make you drunk...lol.
---donna8365 on 3/9/09-----------------
Is all meat really good for you? Don't forget what kind of cancer people who eat red meat to excess end up with. I eat mostly chicken and I get the invasive probe inspection in the next couple of weeks. I am hoping for the best, but my dad had a real battle with colon cancer, and he loved all his red meats.
---obewan on 3/9/09


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Okay you folks made me laugh and have some good points. Let me respond to this practically.

I believe as it's all a matter of our level of conviction in our lives, our calling, etc., that determines if we drink alcohol or not.

It's a stumbling block to me. It may not be for you, but it's all according to the level you are convicted by the Word of God.

I actually like a glass of wine every now and then, but realize if I drink it, I'm not sure what the Holy Spirit will think since He does dwell in my temple. So for me, this is my conviction.

Alan, you crack me up. Meat, fish, etc., doesn't have alcohol in it, so it's okay to eat. Alcohol can make you drunk...lol.
---donna8365 on 3/9/09


Donna if Scripture forbade alcohol then most would stop. It doesn't, actually makes positive comments about moderate drinking.

I think your comments a little heavy handed as I am sure it would take more than a few glasses to 'fill' the temple.

If your conscience tells you not to drink, then you must not do it. Until the Lord tells me I will continue to enjoy good Australian Shiraz.

Considering your temple analogy do not your comments also apply to very unhealthy products like cola drinks and fast food, and also to gluttony?

What about prescription drugs which people take to make them feel better. They all have side effects from minor to life-threatening. Should Christians take them?
---Warwick on 3/5/09


Donna ... You are getting a bit melodramatic!

Fill your temple !!! Come on ... a glass of wine or a glass of beer has perhaps a spoonful of alcohol in it.

Let me ask you: "If you are a temple of the Holy Ghost like the bible says you are, why would you fill your temple with meat, or fish or bread or water?
---alan8566_of_UK on 3/5/09


Does eating french fries at McDonalds glorify Jesus? I hardly think so. So does that mean we shouldn't eat french fries?
I have read through most of the posts, and I think too many are hung up on legalism.
---John on 3/5/09


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I'm with warwick on this one. I do think in all things we should think about the patterns in our lives and how folks that might copy us might then fall into a ditch. But the only way out for every one on the planet is the life that comes through following and depending on God through the blood that Jesus shed. Focusing on any of these other issues is just a band aide and teaching someone to give up drinking is a shallow victory. Instead pray for their heart and lead them to Jesus and watch for real transformation. Who knows, then when you share a drink with them they might reveal a deep and hidden passion to serve the kingdom in some new and exciting way :-)
---DavidA on 3/5/09


If you are a temple of the Holy Ghost like the bible says you are, why would you fill your temple with alcohol?
---donna8365 on 3/5/09
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Who said anything about the word "fill". One glass of wine is proven to be good for both the heart and stomach. That is reason enough for me, but not if it offends or causes someone to stumble. It is more healthy than that second piece of pie. The same question applies - why overeat if the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit? We don't say do NOT eat becasue some people abuse food.
---obewan on 3/5/09


If you are a temple of the Holy Ghost like the bible says you are, why would you fill your temple with alcohol?
---donna8365 on 3/5/09


Why would JESUS approve of a legal drug that causes so much pain and suffering? Samuel

If Christ did not "approve" then scripture LIES recording event of water to wine by Christ then SERVED to guests at wedding he attended. Rhonda

So according to you. JESUS approves of a mind and body destroying drug. Could it be that the wine at the wedding was fresh new Grape Juice.

All things that are consumed or used by physical body can be abused.

Christians seek temperance in all we do alcohol is no different Rhonda

True. We all need to do right. No one is better then others.
---Samuel on 3/5/09


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Why would JESUS approve of a legal drug that causes so much pain and suffering?
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If Christ did not "approve" then scripture LIES recording event of water to wine by Christ then SERVED to guests at wedding he attended

All things that are consumed or used by physical body can be abused

Christians seek temperance in all we do alcohol is no different

many self appoint themselves to "higher standards" judging those who use alcohol because they have abstained falsely believing they are more righteous ...or condemning others who drink because they will make someone else "stumble" ...nobody is responsible for someone else's LACK of temperance in any area of their lives
---Rhonda on 3/5/09


in jesus,s time people drank wine,many familes did.jesus spoke of drinking to excess being sinful.drinking for the sake of getting drunk.not drinking a glass of wine at a meal,but drinking till your senses are affected.but alas today most people drink for a high,till they either fall off their stool ,or cant get up onto it,then drive off.
---tom2 on 3/4/09


Sameul, I'm sorry your family has had so much trouble with that. My wife had a pretty rough go of it too with an alcoholic, violent and abusive father. We thank God she got through it alive but she still has many scars. Yours is an excellent question. The scripture is full of mysteries like this that don't seem to make sense. I already offered why I think he tolerated and even consumed wine which I believe was alcoholic. If you don't like my ideas thats perfectly fine. Just keep asking the questions and the answers will come. I encourage you not to jump to conclusions that he didn't do it just because it does not make sense to you. Things like this in my experience are where treasures are hidden because ,,, (cont)
---DavidA on 3/4/09


(cont) they can reveal some deeper plan that trumps intuitive concerns over how and why.

For example I used have trouble with the anger that the prophets seem to always be speaking on behalf of God. Over the years I picked up more and more of the 1st covenant story line and how it set the stage for us and then finally I learned how his people took up the practice of one of the pagan religions and started burning a first born child alive on a hot altar. His anger now seemed justified and I no longer quested how a loving God could display such anger.

Wine is not something I feel strongly about but I feel strongly that our master is creating something perfect here and that the end result is going to be worth the toil and trouble.
---DavidA on 3/4/09


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It depends on if it may cause another person to stumble by followig your example. Romans 14:13
It also depends on if your consuming alcohol brings glory to Jesus. Well...Does it?
---Courtney_Holm on 3/5/09


Samuel we see the carnage which cars, food, legal drugs, guns, and alcohol cause. But in every case this is about abuse, not proper use.

It is interesting how many here preach against drinking while gluttony is rarely mentioned. The misery, disease and death caused by gluttony is huge. Why do the narrow-minded condemn moderate drinkers but say nothing about those who have gorged themselves into ill-health?

The fact is that Scripture, both OT & NT, approves wine in moderation. You are not required to drink but you are straying into legalism trying to forbid something which Scripture does not forbid.

To be consistent, if you insist Scripture forbids drinking wine, it then must also forbid eating.
---Warwick on 3/4/09


Samuel: Your logic is poor. Just because alcoholism has caused a great deal of devastation does not mean it is wrong to drink. Obesity contributes to heart disease and diabetes. Do you propose banning food?
---Trish9863 on 3/4/09


Trish-- I agree with you 100% We don't always know, when we drink alcohol with a group, how we might be tempting someone who has a problem. I didn't mean that all drinking tempts all recovering alcoholics.But if there is a doubt in my mind about how others could be affected, I don't drink alcohol.

The "weak" Christians I had in mind were those who cannot walk in freedom, but are bound by what they consider the law. My drinking is likely to upset them... so I don't knowingly do it, even to make a point.

My conclusion was "You can always avoid problems by just not drinking."
---Donna66 on 3/4/09


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I have seen in my family the effects of drinking alchol. It destroys lives and causes the deaths of thousands of people every year.

Why would JESUS approve of a legal drug that causes so much pain and suffering?
---Samuel on 3/4/09


Bless you bill_bila5659 for the "FIRST" insight. I never noticed how the scripture was highlighting that same old dirty trick in the water-wine testament. The bad guy seems to have a limited number of tricks doesn't he? That one really is what he has done over and over again isn't it? Take something good, get ya going and then switch in the cheap stuff. All he has to do is make it look something like the real stuff and we don't give it another look. The master of counterfeit and fraud. I bet if Jesus had given the good wine first, then when the deceiver switched in the cheap stuff he would defend it somehow by saying it was the same wine Jesus made. I thank God that satin has no power over us that we don't give him ourselves.
---DavidA on 3/4/09


Donna: A person who drinks in freedom may not know that someone they are with is a "weaker" brother. Also, recovering alcoholics do not always have to NOT be around alcohol. I have attended many weddings, and social occassions where alcohol was served, and it did not phase me in the least. As for weaker brothers, I have seen all too often that the "weaker" brothers were basically legalists who needed to grow up and read scriptures.
---Trish9863 on 3/4/09


It is wrong to knowingly consume alcohol.

"Wine is a mocker, and strong drink is raging, and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise."

"Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder."

"Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations: And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean...."
---Garry on 3/3/09


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venessa. As far as I know I'm not misunderstanding the Scripture. It specifically says that the tithe can be used to buy anything that the soul desires and mentions strong drink and wine as a couple of items. Could you explain to me how you interpret this? Thanks.
---john on 3/3/09


"Nowhere in the bible did Jesus drink alcohol. At the last supper, he drank the fruit of the vine, which was unfermented grape juice." (Janine)
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Substantiate your claim with scripture. My translation uses the same word wine in "Jesus turned the water into wine" as in "be not drunk with wine." The same root words are used in the original language. There was a separate root word for grape juice, and nothing even comes close to suggesting that the wine in the Bible was "juice." We do others and ourselves a great disservice when we distort scripture to suit our own viewpoints. I suppose you like to tell people that babies come from the cabbage patch as well.
---obewan on 3/3/09


Janine perhaps wine is just another of Jesus' parables. Didn't he make a point in saying its not what goes into a mans mouth that defiles him but what comes out? He said John the Baptizer came neither eating or drinking and he himself came eating and drinking and he was called a drunk. Do you think he was called a drunk because he was seen drinking un-fermented grape juice? The sweetness in grape juice takes on additional qualities (spirit) as it ages. Can you see any parallel to that and what happens to us as we walk in christ? However the gifts of God can also bring out our prideful nature but we don't say avoid the spirit do we? The problem is not with the spirit but the heart.
---DavidA on 3/3/09


I think DavidA clarifies how it is that Satan can "use" alcohol to get a person into deep sin. It's not the alcohol, but how the person already has an evil heart making him or her available to Satan's deeper spiritual power witch includes drinking alcohol. Paul says, "I will not be brought under the power of any." (in 1 Corinthians 6:12) And Jesus used water to make "good" wine which would have been used, FIRST, until people would be influenced enough so they would not notice the switch, later, to not-so-good wine > John 2:1-12. Paul says not to get "drunk", but he does not say not to drink, at all.
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/3/09


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I'm wondering if you misunderstood the scripture??? Just a friendly inquiry-
---venessa on 3/2/09
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Did you even read the scripture he posted? It was clear to me. It described the use of the "festival tithe", and that use included the purchase of "wine or other fermented drink" to be consumed at a feast. Don't forget, tithes in the Old Testament was always food and never money. The passage he quoted even said to exchange the money to buy a food tithe, if the food tithe could not be carried. Also, many scholars say that only the agrarian Israelites paid tithes.
---obewan on 3/3/09


Please note that every Christian denomination in the USA used fermented wine in their communion services until 1869, when 'temperance' began to be an issue.
---JohnnyB on 3/2/09


Nothing wrong with alcohol per se. Jesus partook in His day. BUT

As Obewan points out. The amount of alcohol can be problematic. the Bible condemns drunkenness. And we must use care that we don't cause a weaker person to fall.

Would you drink alcohol in the company of a recovering alcoholic?
Would you drink in the presence of someone who was persuaded that drinking alcohol is sin?

Drinking alcohol is not sin...but,often what you DO while drinking is sinful.You can always avoid problems by just not drinking.
---Donna66 on 3/2/09


Nowhere in the bible did Jesus drink alcohol. At the last supper, he drank the fruit of the vine, which was unfermented grape juice. God also refused wine mixed with gaul on his cruisifixion. God also called his prophets, priests and kings not to touch wine from birth apon point of death. Since Jesus was all three and we are called to be a royal priesthood, then we are alos called not to drink. God also says if you cause someone to stumble, you will be judged
---Janine_Henschel on 3/2/09


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So far, anyone who who believe that it is OK to drink, have failed to explain to me what the difference between using alcohol or any other drug (ie. weed, cocaine etc.) Keep in mind that I am not talking about the legalites of this. I am talking about the priniple. What sets the drug alcohol aside from any other drug that is available today?

Just because it was OK in the OT does not make it OK today.

Other examples of OT behaviour not OK today:
Killing a rebelious child
Killing off men, women, children and livestock to take over someone's property.
---Bruce5656 on 3/2/09


The Bible says NOT to be drunk with wine or alcohol, but to be filled with the Holy Spirit. The Bible clearly says NOT to drink alcohol there, it is a SIN. Plus alcohol consumtion can lead to demon possession. Alcohol is a drug, and drugs are what Satan uses as an open door for his work.
---Leslie on 3/2/09


I was wanting to comment on your response about using "tithing" money to buy wine (in Deut)-- 1st of all, "tithing" is Giving a tenth of all your income to God "First" (see Mal 3:10(?)- I'm wondering if you misunderstood the scripture??? Just a friendly inquiry-
---venessa on 3/2/09


This question can not be answered Biblically without knowing the quantity and whether or not a weaker brother is present before the one consuming it.
---obewan on 3/2/09


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Jesus makes reference to himself being falsely called a glutton and a drunk because he came eating and drinking. I have no doubt that these were false testimonies and am confident he was never seen drunk. On the other hand I suspect he may not have been falsely called a drunk if he had not been drinking "real" wine. The problem with labeling drinking a sin is that it is a judgment based only appearances. Certainly someone with a rotten heart is more inclined to let their ugly nature come out under the influence of drink but we shouldn't blame this on the drink but on the ugly heart. We should put our emphasis on getting the doctors attention on our heart and stop judging by appearances. Anything else is a band-aide.
---DavidA on 3/2/09


If drinking alcohol was wrong then why would God say it was okay in Deut.14:26 to go ahead and use your tithing money to buy wine and strong drink to have a party?
It is the improper use of alcohol that is a sin. Just like anything else, we have a responsibilty to use things properly.
---john on 3/2/09


Drinking alcohol is not sin. Drunkenness is sin. Wisdom and discretion are necessary for the former.
---Trish9863 on 3/2/09


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