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Rob , I appreciate what you are telling me. I'm have the mystery of the gospel in my heart colossi ans1:26-27
26the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the saints. 27To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
---batieste on 5/29/09


Batieste, have you done an INDEPTH STUDY OF THE MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL.

The reason I ask is because I had went to different Churches for over 30 years, but I never, ever, ever, heard anyone teach or talk about THE MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL.

At my place of WORSHIP, Berean Bible Church, Acts 17:11. we began studying about the MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL. This was an eye openning experience for myself.

I did not know that I did not know. I learned how much I did not know, along with how many years I had been taught wrong.

Batieste, I am saying this with HUMBLENESS and HUMILITY, and indepth study of THE MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL, I believe will be well worth all of the time and effort for yourself and others to really check out.
---Rob on 5/28/09


Rob, It is not a mystery that the books Romans -Jude was written to the church. If Anyone can read AND comprehend this should not be a problem.

And The church didn't start until the day of Pentecost until the holy ghost was poured out by Jesus. You reject that. You also reject john 3:5, and Acts2:1-4, and act10:45-47 and Acts 19:1-6 and Mark16:16-18... WOW that's most of the bible.. you pick and chose what you want and like.

And after Acts 10 mark, Mathew and Luke was for everyone seeking Jesus.
---batieste on 5/27/09


Batieste, you continue to ignore and won't share what is written in Mark 16:18. Why is that?
---Rob on 5/27/09


And because I have the holy spirit i do good deeds. Anybody can do good deeds, but all have fallen short of glory. Jesus gave direct commands, be born of the water and spirit. Some people think they can say a verse and there wham born of the spirit. Jesus is the one that ONLY that baptizes in the spirit. You cant baptize yourself into the spirit. If you love JESUS THESE SIGNS WILL follow,drive out demon, and speak in new tongues. you have some work to do.
---batieste on 5/26/09




Batieste, with the exception of the Book of Hebrews you are correct the Books of Romans thru Jude were written to the Church. This was done after the resurection and Christ going back to Heaven. This is part of the MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL, which it appears you seem to reject.

You also seem to reject the fact the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John was written to and for the Jews and the Jews only. This is another part of the MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL.

You shared Mark 16:16-17, but as usual you left out verse 18 which is part of the same paragraph.
---Rob on 5/26/09


From The book of Romans to the book of Jude, they were written to the saints of God. The people that obeyed John 3:5, 5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

Mark 16:17

16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons, they will speak in new tongues,
---batieste on 5/26/09


And like always the scriptures I gave are always in context. Meaning, that the apostle who wrote it was actually writting about That subject on what you should expect when you were saved, And how to get saved saved.

you guys keep giving scriptures that have nothing to do with on how to get saved. You keep going to the books that are written to the people that are already saved. From Romans to Jude they are books written to the saints on how to LIVE SAVED. BUT you have to get saved FIRST, YOU cant jump from preschool to college.

So get a NIV bible, so you can really understand whats really said... just because you can read English doesn't mean you are understanding what you are reading AND you aren't understanding at all
---batieste on 5/26/09


Anyone can twist, turn, distort, pervert, and change scripture to say what they want it to say. This is the exact same thing which SATAN does.

If people would stop trying to interpret scripture, stop following the interpretation of others, and accept scripture just as it is written, I am confident there would be no misinterpretations.
---Rob on 5/25/09


Here are some scriptures worth reading, studying, and getting to know.

These are scriptures you probably will never, ever hear in some "SO CALLED CHURCHES" because these are things they don't want people to know. They know there are people who will believe everything they say, but will never ever study or see if the things which they say are indeed true and according to what is written in scripture, Acts 17:11.

Hebrews 4:12-13
Galatians 2:11-21
Galatians 1:6-10
Romans 1:14-32
Matthew 7:1-29
2 Thessalonians 2:1-17
2 Peter 2:1-22
---Rob on 5/24/09




Hebrews 9:11-12 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building, Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Hebrews 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
---exzucuh on 5/24/09


Batieste, on 5/21/09/ you wrote that I am missreading and twisting scripture for my own purpose. This is exactly what you are doing. Many times I have asked you to show where it is actually written in scripture where speaking in tongues is the evidence of being baptized with the Holy Spirit. You still have failed to show this.

On 5/22/09, you wrote that talking to some of us is like speaking with little kids, and you must break it down to preschool level. Is this because you want people to come down to your level of understanding.

I remember when I was in Elementary School the teachers would read FAIRY TALES to the class, and that was exactly what they were, FAIRY TALES.
---Rob on 5/23/09


Exzucuh, You wrote that Jesus to go into Heaven and sprinkle His Blood on the mercy seat. I have searched the scriptures and have not found this written anywhere.

Will you share where this is written so I can read it for myself.
---Rob on 5/23/09


Andy, I believe in the dispensation of GRACE, which is part of the MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL. Many times I have attempted to share this with Batieste straight from scripture as it is written, but they reject it.
---Rob on 5/22/09


The Holy Spirit was In Mary And Joseph, John the Baptist Johns Mother and Father and many other people But Gods Holy Spirit had never been poured out on all flesh and that is what
Jesus was talking About. He had to go into heaven and spinkle his blood on the mercy seat.
After that now the Holy Spirit can be in any person Jew or gentile.
---exzucuh on 5/22/09


Batieste, I have spoken in what the Bible describes as speaking in tongues, (known languages of different cultures and countries) than you realize.
---Rob on 5/22/09


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Talking to many of you is like speaking to little kids, not like kids in the faith but, really like little children.
I guess i must break it down to the preschool level for you casuse i thought the third grade level was fine for you.
The Holy Ghost could nat have been RECEIVED until Jesus left, John 16:7
7But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you, but if I go, I will send him to you.
---batieste on 5/22/09


Then she should say it and teach it.
---TheSeg on 5/22/09


Rob, probably Batieste meant that the Holy Ghost could not come upon the church as a whole while Jesus was there. this falls quite well under the dispensation theory cause the dispensasion of grace started After Jesus death and ressurection. (im explaining here)
---Andy on 5/22/09


Every word in (any) holy bible, must be true! Every word!
But, again I say, believe, what you will!
Not your teacher says, is this also a lie?
From the Greek,
Matthew
28:17 And seeing him, they did obeisance to him, but (some hesitated.)

28:18 And having come forward, Jesus spoke to them, saying, was given to me (All authority in heaven and upon earth.)

28:19 Going then, disciple all the nations (immersing them) in the name of the father, and of the son, (and of the Holy Spirit.)

28:20 Teaching them to give heed to all as much as (I gave charge to you.) And behold, I with you am all the days until the completion of the age. Amen.

May God Bless You
---TheSeg on 5/21/09


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ROB, I can read and comprehend English VERY well English IS my first language.. I also read my bibles, I study from the king James version and my NIV version bible and my MacArthur study bible.

The scriptures I gave you and everyone else A third grader would be able to understand and follow.

You have shown your true colors and your intentions. I know that you ha vent spoke in tongues therefore you ha vent received the spirit.
Continued-
---batieste on 5/21/09


continued-
John 16:7 (New International Version)
7But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you, but if I go, I will send him to you.

Rob, the Holy Ghost couldn't have been received or poured out until Jesus ascended. In Luke descended and was not poured out, was not received by anyone. There is no contradictions in the bible. You are misreading and twisting the scriptures for your own purposes. you should read the whole chapter and find out what there were talking about.

I always encourage you and everyone else to read your bibles,.
---batieste on 5/21/09


Batieste, the reason I asked you that question I did is because you are always saying you were baptized by the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in toungues.

On a different blog concerning baptism, you wrote you received the Holy Spirit the same way the Apostles received it, by cloven tongues of fire coming upon you and what seemed like the wind began blowing.

I also wonder who's teaching you are under, if you follow the example which is found in Acts 17:11, along with the command found in 2 Timothy 2:14-19.

I ask this because on 5/20/09 you wrote "THE HOLY GHOST COULD NOT COME WHILE JESUS WAS HERE". Batieste, that is in dirrect contradiction of what is written in Luke 3:21-22.
---Rob on 5/21/09


Maybe. I hope that teaching is one of my gifts?
---amand6348 on 5/21/09


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Rob, You know as well as I that there is nothing in the book of Acts with the phrase molecular structure ect......

You know that there is a small languge barrier between our far distances. So you will have to enlighten me on the pharse you are referring to. That same phrase could have a different phrase name here where I'm from.
---batieste on 5/20/09


TheSeg, you wrote Who spoke in tongues here, No one! But believe what you will, God bless you, from my heart to yours. Believe without seeing!


Its clear that you know nothing,

John 16:7 (New International Version)
7But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you, but if I go, I will send him to you.



The holy ghost could not come while Jesus was here. And Jesus was on earth in John 20:22. You are trying to look for loop holes in the bible that aren't there. You clearly aren't comprehending what you are reading. You are telling fokes wrong information.

For your soul's sake get a NIV VERSION bible. The text in that is simple.
---batieste on 5/20/09


John 16:7 (New International Version)
7But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you, but if I go, I will send him to you.
---batieste on 5/20/09


I am not your teacher, there is but one, who can teach you and no one less.

Love this line.
TheSeg, you should try reading the whole chapter before throwing something out there, because you are proving yourself wrong.

I believe you said NIV, OK. Catch this (because of throwing)

John 20:17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them,

(Catch) 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "

John 20:18 Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: "I have seen the Lord!" And she told them that he had said these things to her.

God bless you
---TheSeg on 5/20/09


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TheSeg, you should try reading the whole chapter before throwing something out there, because you are proving yourself wrong.

John 20:21-22 (New International Version)

21Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." 22And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit.

Jesus said, in a command "receive the Holy Spirit."

But, The holy Spirit wasn't available at the time when he said that. The Holy Spirit wasn't poured out by Jesus until after he ascended to heaven. The Apostles received it in Acts 2:1-4, The Day of Pentecost.
---batieste on 5/20/09


You can't go to the end of a book, read the last page and get a total revelation of what the author was talking about. The subject of the Holy Ghost is the same. You can't quote a scripture or two from Corinthians, Galatians, or any other epistle without knowing the Apostles Doctrine (outlined in the book of Acts). In Paul's writings he calls them the "church" that means they had like faith, that they believed and obeyed what was preached to them PRIOR to receiving the letter. What was preached? Repentance, and baptism of the water and of the spirit. Ask yourself this why would Paul preach something in the book of Acts then contradict himself in an epistle? It doesnt make sense.
---Shawnie on 5/20/09


Rob, what is it with you and this Molecular Structure Transformation and how it was manifested? I am a college educated woman and even I have no idea how this relates to the subject at hand. Perhaps you can break it down further so that we all can understand what you are referring to. I may be entirely wrong but sometimes it seems as though you like throwing out big words and concepts just to trip people up or to cause some sort of embarrassment to others on the blog. It comes off as condescending at times.

So please break it down for ME - I'd love to know what you are talking about.
---Shawnie on 5/20/09


Batieste, is that your answer regarding MOLECULAR STRUCTURE TRANSFORMATION, and how it was MANIFESTED?

It seems regardless of what question you may be asked you always answer with Acts Chapter 2. Is that the only scripture you know?
---Rob on 5/20/09


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Joh 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
Joh 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

Who spoke in tongues here, No one! But believe what you will, God bless you, from my heart to yours. Believe without seeing!

This is important!
Joh 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them, and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
---TheSeg on 5/20/09


CONTINE-
Then Peter said, 47"Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have."

NOW READ THE WORDS they spoke in tongues, And Peter says THEY HAVE RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT JUST AS WE HAVE. Now go back to where Peter receiveded the holy spirit Act2:1-4. And how would Peter know that the Gentiles received the holy spiritspoke in tongues.Thats why peter says they have receiveded it just as we have..
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---batieste on 5/19/09


You cant go from preschool straight to college. To receive all the gifts including salvation you need to be born of the water and of the spirit John 3:5. Do you actually think that you can just say a verse and wham you have the holy ghost just like that? No, its not like that at all. The scriptures in Acts tell us no. Heres is your proof. Act 2:1-4 All of them were FILL with the Holy Ghost and began to speak in TONGUES. Peter follows up in the 33rd verse and says He poured out what you NOW SEE AND HEAR. YOU HEAR TONGUES. READ IT!!!
CONTINUED-
---batieste on 5/19/09


Once again Batieste avoids answering the questions I ask along with questions asked by others.
---Rob on 5/19/09


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You are wrong because of one reason there is no scripture that says that speaking in tongues is the evidence of the Holy Spirit. the THE WORD IS GOD and God never speaks in terms by the word that is not revealed. The mysteries of God has been revealed to this generation by the Holy Spirit. It is the confusion of false belief that causes the scriptures to appear mysterious. You are the one who is blind you have been deceived by a false doctrine and you worship tongues and not God. I speak in tongues but I put no faith in them no more that any language, a tongue cannot save me. The blood that Jesus shed for me is my salvation and the power I have and my new life is my evidence of the Holy Spirit.
---exzucuh on 5/19/09


Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
And yes in the 1 Corinth 14:18 Paul says I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

The the first initial sign of anyone receiving the holy ghost is speaking in tongues.

I see people taking scriptures out of context and trying to twist the scriptures to say something its not. The bible is very CLEAR and STRAIGHT FORWARD on the subject.

People are TRYING to throw 1 Corinth 14 And they Clearly haven't read through the whole chapter yet. Many you need to seriously get the NIV version bible. and read both king James and NIV and you will were you are going wrong.
---batieste on 5/19/09


Exzucuh I havent been speaking about all the other spiritiaul gifts, If you havent recieved the spirit you certainly will not received the other gifts. You cant recive the holy ghost by repeating a verse from the bible.
Isaiah 64:6
6 All of us have become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags,
we all shrivel up like a leaf,
and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
until you recive the spirit like those before us in the manner in the book of acts your righteous acts are like filthy rags. just because you do good deeds it dosnt make you holy. Non-believers do good deeds all the time. are they holy? No.
---batieste on 5/19/09


John 3:5

5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

John 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
Acts 1:8
8But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."
---batieste on 5/19/09


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Acts 2:4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.
All of them were filled with the holy ghost, And they began to speak in other tongues AS THE SPIRIT ENABLED THEM. that means the spirit made them speak in tongues.

Acts 2:33Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.
THE father has poured out what you NOW SEE AND HEAR. Tongues is what you hear when you receive the Holy Ghost.
---batieste on 5/19/09


Im glad you believe.
But, know tongues are for a sign.

1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Joh 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

I know one of your brothers is trying to tell you the truth.
Now I tell you, signs and wonders will fail.
The lord himself told you.
---TheSeg on 5/19/09


Batieste, you always use Acts Chapter 2 and tell others this is the sign of being filled with the Holy Spirit.

So let me ask you these qustions. In the passage of scripture you always use, what is the MOLECULAR STRUCTURE TRANSFORMATION, and how was it MANIFESTED?
---Rob on 5/18/09


Exzucuh,1 Corinthians 1:2
2To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christtheir Lord and ours:
these people spoke in tongues,and was baptized in Jesus name... but yet you quote from this book that Paul said these people were sanctified. They received the holy ghost like the Apostles in Acts.
---batieste on 5/18/09


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Eexzucuh, the first sign that you have received the holy spirit is that you have spoken in tongues. Just like the first to receive it, the Apostles Act 2:1-4, the Gentiles Acts 10:45-47, and johns disciples Act19:1-6. they received the holy and spoke in tongues.

the book of Corinth is for saints, they spoke in tongues, why do you think Paul was correcting there behavior on how to act in front of non be livers in the 14 chapter.
---batieste on 5/18/09


The Evidence of the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Luke 6:44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.

Then said he unto the vinedresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down, why cumbers it the ground?

Tongues do not produce fruit the believer does, Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh and the heart is where the fruit comes from it influences actions Good and evil. A changed Heart is evidence of the Holy Spirit.
---exzucuh on 5/16/09


James 3:12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

I have seen people in sin who could speak in tongues. And i have seen people who could not speak in tongues, living for God, You cannot live a Godly life serving Jesus without the Holy Spirit. It is impossible! Jesus said that no man could believe on him unless by the Spirit, he told the Jews that they were of their father the devil because they did not believe on him. So you must have the Holy Spirit to even believe on Jesus because it is by the Spirit that you believe. And by the same Spirit you produce fruit.
---exzucuh on 5/16/09


Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

The Bible says those with the Holy Spirit will Prophecy so preaching is evidence of the Holy Spirit,

Acts 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit, and they shall prophesy:

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

It says that being led by the Spirit is evidence of the Holy Spirit
---exzucuh on 5/16/09


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There are lots of things you can say is evidence but , Paul says they are diversities of gifts

But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
That means the Spirit bears witness of himself by his presence and operation in the life of every believer, Ye shall receive power after the Holy Spirit has come upon you. And you shall be my witnesses. The witness is the power in your life not tongues, Paul said you should speak in tongues to yourself and God and preach in a language that people understand. There is no tongue doctrine in the Bible, speaking in tongues is a real gift of God but it is the least of the gifts, Prophesying is more important but it is not evidence that you have the Holy Spirit.
---exzucuh on 5/16/09


The evidence of the Holy Spirit

1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Paul says the fruit of the Spirit is the evidence, that without it a tongue talker is a noise maker.

1 Corinthians 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail, whether there be tongues, they shall cease, whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

Prophecies, Tongues, Knowledge,
He says such will fail you , but the fruit of the Spirit that produces Gods love is eternal evidence that will never fail.
---exzucuh on 5/16/09


Exzucuh, when the gentiles spoke in tongues they were ASTONISHED,
astonished [ & #601, stnnishd ]


adjective

Definition:

surprised: very surprised


They recieved the holy spirit like the Apostle did,Acts 10:47 Then Peter said, 47"Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have."
So, Acts2:1-4,the apostles received the holy ghost and spoke in tongues, Act 10:45-47 the gentiles received the Holy ghost, Act 19:1-6 disciples of John received the holy ghost spoke in tongues. Speaking in tongues is the proof the you have received the Holy Ghost, And without the holy ghost you cant enter the kingdom of God John 3:5
---batieste on 5/16/09


Exzucuh,
Acts 2:33
33Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.

Exzucah, He has poured out what you NOW SEE AND HEAR... YOU hear people speaking in tongues..

You don't have salvation until you have been born of the water and the spirit, you cant have the spirit until you speak in tongues.

Grace, Is the lords patience, Waiting on you to understand his Word correctly, And to be born of the water and of the spirit.
---batieste on 5/16/09


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Yes they were amazed as is any one who sees God doing supernatural things, they were not amazed so much with the tongues, as they were the fact that God would accept unclean gentile dogs. If they thought that tongues proved anything they would have invited them to church. But they did not and left them to themselves, as they also did the Samaritans, that Philip converted, They did not start a church with these people because they were uncircumcised, they believed like you, they had to see something to believe they could be saved. Even though Jesus revealed to Peter the Blood cleanses not circumcision, not tongues, he would not go and start gentile churches, Jesus had to convert Saul/paul to do his will.
---exzucuh on 5/16/09


---batieste on 5/15/09

After Paul had established these churches that
peter had failed to establish. The Jewish church came against Paul and his Gentile churches saying without the evidence of circumcision you cannot be saved. The word says the if that same Spirit is in you that was in Jesus it will save you, give life to you. But if not you will perish. It is not tongues that is the evidence of that life or Spirit but the Life itself and what it is accomplishing in the believer, you will see it manifesting Faith and faith manifesting works and works manifesting obedience, and obedience to the end manifesting salvation by Grace.
---exzucuh on 5/16/09


Exzucuh,
Acts 10:45-46
45The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. 46For they heard them speaking in tongues[a] and praising God

when you speak in tongues thats the proof the you have recieved the holy spirit. God promised all of us the holy spirit , not the other gifts, he dosnt give those gifts to everyone.
---batieste on 5/15/09


Excuzuh, indeed, and that the Spirit is their to cause fruits to spring forth does not neceesarely meant fruits are pressent. manny want the gits yuet they refuse the discipline. many scriptures are left by the apostles to encourage us
the bible says.
crucify the flesh, it says when you believe to stand make sure you do not fall, it says that we should abandon the works of the flesh etc. Now this was written in the apostolic era, and even those believeing that tongues was only for then must admitt that it was written to people speaking in tongues. so itis not the gift that sanctifies it is the spirit himself in cooperation with you. or visa versa
---Andy on 5/15/09


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On the day of Pentecost they spoke in languages that was understood and it was a sign to them because the Gospel was heard in each ones own language. This was God's purpose for them to hear the Gospel. They also had tongues of fire over their head so according to your doctrine a person must have a tongue of fire over their head to prove they have received the Holy Spirit. A few days after Pentecost they got together and prayed again, they were filled with the Holy Ghost again and this time they did not speak in tongues they spoke the word with boldness.
Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together, and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
---Exzucuh on 5/15/09


It it is very disrespectful to not take time to spell someones name right. when all you have to do is look at it Ex zu c uh, very simple name. It means authority that is given.It is the authority Jesus will give those who have faith enough to obey him. And by the way I speak in tongues, I cast out devils, I have prayed for the dead and seen them rise again, I have prayed for blinded eyes and they were healed but none of these things prove I have the Holy Spirit because I did not do any of these miracles. The Holy Spirit bears witness of himself by the power he gives me to resist sin. I was once a pervert a dangerous person but now I am not because I have the Holy Spirit that gives me the Grace to be free of sin.
---Exzucuh on 5/15/09


1 Corinthians 12:28-31 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Are all apostles?
are all prophets?
are all teachers?
are all workers of miracles?
Have all the gifts of healing?
do all speak with tongues?
do all interpret?
But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
Paul just told you what I am telling you! The fruit of the Spirit is the evidence
---Exzucuh on 5/15/09


This tongue thing is spilling into yer writing. Elsewhere "Mrarkv" and here "Exzubah".
---Nana on 5/15/09


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Exzubah once you receive the holy spirit the proof that you have is that you have spoken in tongues. Just like the apostles in Acts 2:1-4, just like the Gentiles in Act 10:45-47, just like John's disciples in Act191-6.



And yes, whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, and whoever does not believe will be damed,Mark 16:17 And these signs will accompany those those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons, they will speak in new tongues.
---batieste on 5/14/09


Andy if that is the case then you should know that the gift does not sanctify the alter but the alter sanctifies the gift.

Matthew 23:18-19 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing, but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?

The Holy Spirit is witness of himself not a gift. Circumcision of the flesh is not witness of salvation but circumcision of the Heart by the Holy Spirit who writes the law in it's fleshy tables and by grace gives power to live for God.
---exzucuh on 5/14/09


Exhuzuh, However what you sauy is true, but the same can be said about everything in our Christian experience, i know people who know their bible by heart, and still they do'nt live it. i know preachers who preached against adultery whilst their misstressw as sitting on the front row
i know so many example of bad example christtians, yet that does not make me too trample the bible, as much as i know people xwho have the Spirit yet they do not live according, so naow i should trample the gifts because a few bad stewards? I say NO, i rather push more to give a better example yet. sothat God's name will not be slandered because of me.
---Andy on 5/14/09


Jesus made it very plain what would send you to hell. Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned. What he is saying is if you believe you will obey the Gospel. and the Gospel is revealed to us by the new testament.
first you must believe that Jesus is the Son of God repent be baptized in his name for the remission of your sins and God will give you his Holy Spirit. As long as you walk in the Spirit enduring to the end to serve the Lord by taking up your cross and that means dying to self becoming a living sacrifice you will be fine. Remember Lots wife after she was saved she looked back, don't turn back keep your hands on the plow and keep oil in your lamp.
---Exzucuh on 5/13/09


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The proof that you have the Holy Spirit is a new life and fruit of the Spirit. Speaking in tongues only proves that you have a gift of the Spirit there are other gifts much more important than tongues and you can speak in tongues till the cows come home, if you do not have the witness of the Holy Spirit empowering you to to live for Jesus as a living sacrifice being regenerated and translated out of darkness into the light then your tongues is a lying sign and wonder. I see this all the time
with people who use their tongues like fig leaves to cover what they really are. Tongue talking adulterers, fornicators, and drug addicts. Tongues don't prove you have the Holy Ghost power in your life does.
---Exzucuh on 5/13/09


Mima, when you receive the Holy Ghost the proof that you have received it is speaking in tongues. In the book of Acts every person that received the holy ghost spoke in tongues, the apostles Acts2:1-4, the gentiles Acts10:45-47, and and disciples of John Act 19:1-6. speaking in tongues is the sign that you received it the holy ghost.

Mima, now 1Corinth 12:30 is different from the first sign of receiving the Holy Ghost.Its the gift of speaking in other tongues. Not the same. This Gift allows you to speak in other tongues, a different language so that others from the a native language may understand a message from God in the tongues you speak.
---batieste on 5/13/09


Please point your husband to the following scripture 1st Corinthian 12:30 "Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?" Paul is speaking here to all Christians and he is plainly saying that all do not speak in tongues by the way he asked his question.
All Christian do not speak in tongues. And tongues is not a requirement for salvation. Tongues are a free gift given apparently to those who have need of them .
---mima on 5/13/09


slslp, better to bring him to a good pastor who can explain the difference between the indwelling and the covering (still i do not know what is your churches vission upon the subject.. on the other hand it would be good for your spiritual advacement that you should try to receive the indwelling (my guess is, that you do not receive the indwelling for one of three reasons
1. you do not see its nessecity
2. you are to upset about the entire fact (too much presure)
3. there is no faith to receive. in all three cases simple prayers and fast and relyance upon God will help
---Andy on 5/13/09


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I need guidance to convince my husband that we are not going to hell just because we don't "speak in tongues" as he was told his whole life. And that even though I am saved, I am not perfect nor expected to be. Just as he can have that salvation. Is there anyone out there with suggestions?
---slslp276 on 5/12/09


To those of you who are really searching for Gods truth regarding His Spirit and dont want to get bogged down in arguing, I say to you that God is still pouring out is Spirit among us as promised in Acts 2:38,39. The initial evidence of the Holy Ghost is speaking in tongues (Mark 16:17, Acts 2:4, Acts 10:45-46, 1 Cor. 14:21) but it is much more than that. It gives us power over the adversary (Luke 24:49, Acts 1:8) and it is our seal, our evidence that we truly belong to God (Eph 1:13, 4:30, Romans 8:9). Search the scriptures with an open heart and an open mind. Ask the Lord to reveal His truth to you he who is faithful will do it.
---Shawnie on 4/13/09


Manny - sarcastic YES. Angry - No not in the least. You see, I have the Holy Ghost as promised by God, my soul is saved, I am at peace. I am eagerly awaiting His return for me and the rest of His people. If you choose not to believe the scriptures then that's on you. If you think I'm incorrect - again that's on you. In the final analysis it's God's Word that counts. It's HIS will that matters. Not yours and certainly not mine. I just don't want people to get bogged down in our back and forth. I just ask that everyone pray and search the scriptures - he will reveal His true will to those who really want to know the truth. God Bless You!
---Shawnie on 4/13/09


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Shawnie>>"I'm sorry your highness..." -- such sarcasm, and anger which you show to anyone here who contradicts your IDEA, only further proves to me that you do not have the holy spirit in you.

If you only tried to analyze my post (as you should also, the verses in the bible), you should have realized that i was merely responding to Kat's post on 4/6/9. At first i didn't want to respond to her post because i was waiting for your reply and i didn't want to take up more space in this thread. But, after four days (as you should have noticed, i replied on 4/10/09) i felt i need to reply to Kat so as not to be mistaken as being discourteous.
(continued)
---manny on 4/13/09


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(1)
Shawnie>>"I am so sorry your highness..." -- such sarcasm. If you only "tried" to analyze my post(as you should also, the verses in the bible), you should have seen that i was merely responding to katavasia's post. She posted a "reply" last 4/6/09 and if you analyze, i replied to her on the 10th of Apr -- 4 days after. At first i didn't want to reply to her because i was waiting for your reply and i didn't want to take up more of this thread's space but since 4 days has passed i felt i had to reply to her so as not to be discourteous or "snobbish". That's why i told her "I'm still waiting for Shawnie's reply..."
(continued)
---manny on 4/12/09


"PROOF" destroys FAITH. The habit of many people is to seek PROOF that God exists.

"Proof" is the exact opposite of FAITH, yet many people who think themselves to be "smart"/intellectual are actually destroying all possiblity of themselves having FAITH (ironic, isn't it?).

This very same thing happens when people seek "PROOF" of having God's holy spirit "indwelling". It is not only highly irrational to pursue proof of something that is SPIRITUAL, it is spiritually deplorable/disgusting.

In the first chapter of Romans (esp. verse 20), we are told about the EVIDENCE of God's existence.

Only when "EVIDENCE" is ignored will anyone ask for "PROOF".
---more_excellent_way on 4/11/09


God gives ALL of His gifts GRACIOUSLY, but we refuse to ACCEPT THEM GRACIOUSLY, we rather accept them pridefully and self righteously as though we can and ever will be "worthy" of anything He can provide (we spurn/mock the works of God, John 6:28).

We pursue fruits that can only originate from GOD'S spirit (neglecting to have any Godliness of OUR OWN, the fruit of light). God's "fruits" are OF/owned by HIS HOLY SPIRIT and we ourselves should not lay claim to (commandeer/hijack) them, they will only be manifested THROUGH us when OUR SPIRIT/character bears witness with His...

Romans 8:16
"it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with OUR SPIRIT...".

Verses are from the RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 4/11/09


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