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I'm having a problem with taking the written text of the Bible literaly, namely because of the six day creation. I just see too much of a pattern in the numbers. like 40, everytime theres a trial 40 shows up. Anyone have any incite?

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But Lee, it has already been determined that the Sun has nothing to do with the day being 24 hours. It is the Earth rotating around it's axis that makes this one day. And since this is the determining factor, then it boils down to what 'day' did the Earth start revolving in this continuos fashion.
The ones that believe the 7 days are the same will contend that the Earth started it's regular revolution on day 1, Agreed?
The ones that believe the 7 days are of different spans of time will contend the Earth started it's revolution on, for your case, day 4, Also Agreed?
So, now that the viewpoints/assumptions are established, we can provide support for each viewpoint. I do enjoy finding the truth..
---Michael on 6/2/09


Warwich 2: Thank you for defending the Word of God. Those who hold to an errant Scripture are fond of searching out passages to prove their points. But all those who only have the best interest for God will never do that, just remember that. I do believe things are millions of years old. But when God create things, He didn't start everthing with an aton. When He called the Sun into been, It was the Sun with its fullness, as Old as He wanted it to be. When He created animals, the Bible doesn't say he created as babies and then grew up. And when He created Adam, He created him a man. There is no argument as to how old everything is, God created it just as it is give or take a few thousand years. Which to Him is nothing.
---Mark_V. on 6/2/09


Warwich, I've been following your answers and I totally agree with you. In the Study of Scripture "Literal interpretation" means exactly what you said. We are to read the Bible just as we read any other kind of book. When a passage calls to be read as symbolic we should read it as such, if it is meant to be read figurative we should do so, if it is meant to be read literally, we should do so. Whatever the passage calls for, we should do, that is what is called Literal interpretation.
Literal intepretation does not mean we read the whole Bible literally. As far as your answers, I am in agreement with your points. Just because many things show they are millions of years old, does not mean God did not make them that why.
---Mark_V. on 6/2/09


Michael *2 assumptions You have faith that these assumptions are true based on your belief in evolutionary religion and doctrine. True statement?

Not in the least! as I am not an evolutionist however, believe that the text totally supports my viewpoint. As to doctrine, my views would be found to be totally orthodox.

The ASSUMPTIONS here held by my opponents are that the first 3 days must also have been a mere 24 hour in duration despite the fact that the sun was not created until the 4th day. Nowhere does the text even imply the intial days were merely 24 hours in duration, thus their ASSUMPTION.

Their views of God are very narrow, God is not limited by either our concept of time or space.
---Lee1538 on 6/2/09


The 24 hour 'day' thing did not come into existence until after the sun was created and the earth was set in it present rotation. During the Big Bang, the earth was a mass spinning thru space at an unknown rotation.
---Lee1538 on 6/1/09
2 assumptions
You have faith that these assumptions are true based on your belief in evolutionary religion and doctrine.
True statement?
---Michael on 6/2/09




Any intelligent person would tell you that the 24 hour day came in existence after the sun was created on the 4th 'day'.
--Lee1538
assumption.
Funny thing is an assumption may be true, just not proven. Right Lee?
---Michael on 6/2/09


*On what basis, other than your usual no basis, do you say that evening & morning for day one are a completely different length than evening & morning for day 5 for example?

Genesis 1:5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

Nothing about any 24 hour duration. Any intelligent person would tell you that the 24 hour day came in existence after the sun was created on the 4th 'day'.

It continues to amaze me that anyone with any brains would realize that.
---Lee1538 on 6/2/09


There is really no basis for saying that those first 3 'days', designated by evening & morning' weren't of 24 hour duration.
---Michael on 6/2/09


Warwick - What value has 'faith' that is based upon unthruths and ASSUMPTIONS?

What is really at stake is that 'religion' handed to you on a platter. You are expected not to question it, but simply to goosestep behind it. In that way, your mentors can control your mind.
---Lee1538 on 6/2/09


Some wonder why people argue about the truth of Genesis, especially the first few chapters.

Bible-believing Christians strongly defend these chapters because they are the foundation of the gospel, marriage, and other Christian doctrines. We know what we believe is based in what God has said here!

Also take note how some argue so passionately and persistently against the straight-forward meaning of Genesis. Some antiChristians do so, aiming to destroy faith in this foundation. Liberal Christians, having accepted constantly changing human beliefs about the past, are forced to reinterpret Genesis through this man-made philosophy.

Should we not trust God's word in preference to the opinions of falible men who weren't there?
---Warwick on 6/2/09




*God said: "For in 6 days the LORD made heaven and earth..." (Exo 20:11)

Leak really refuses to acknowledge the FACT that God nowhere in Scripture states that any of the days of creation were of anything but 24 hour duration. There's not even a hint of a different day length. In fact, the identical language used to describe each of the six creation days gives a strong implication of identical length. What do you call a person who not only claims that the opposite of a clear meaning is true, but continues to loudly proclaim it - hoping desperately it will change to his paradigm? I think the word is "insane."
---jerry6593 on 6/2/09


Lee God says evening and morning were 'one day,' (the first ever day) then evening and morning ' a second day'... 'a fifth day'...

On what basis, other than your usual no basis, do you say that evening & morning for day one are a completely different length than evening & morning for day 5 for example?

Remember God says they are each of 24hrs in Exodus 20:8

Also Remember Jesus says that man was made at the beginning of this creation, only after a few days, not after your totally assumed eons. Is Jesus wrong, did He not know or is He telling a lie?
---Warwick on 6/1/09


Things to know about the Bible: 1. It is God breathed and His Inherent word. 2. With all literature there are several kinds of books. In the Bible you have Books of History, Books of song and poetry,Books of prophecy, etc. In books of song, you will see comparison and metaphors. In History books, it is what it says...literally. Look up what kinds of books exist in the bible and then decide based on the type of book what rules must be maintained in order for it to be that kind of book. The bible does not break it's context! If it is a book of history and it says the world was created in literally 7 days, then it is so. Stop arguing about it. Believe in the Bible or don't but stop trying to rewrite the Bible.
---Vanessa on 6/1/09


So, Lee, Cliff says God made everything in one day. what do you think sbout that?..
---Michael on 6/1/09


1stCliff my question has everything to do with 6-day creation.

We all know that when we add a number to 'day' we mean 24 hours, as you admit!

We know this because God created the 'day' defining it in Genesis 1:5 'God called the light 'day' * and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning- 'one day.' What is 'one day' or the first 'day' or the fifth 'day?' Twenty four hours! We all know that!

God confirmed the length of His creation days in Exodus 20:8 where He said his creation week is the same length of our 7 day week.

* 'Day' without a number means the daylight portion of 24 hours, or a longer unbounded period of time. As in every dog has its day-never a fixed period of time.
---Warwick on 6/2/09


Warlick - *Even you cannot honestly deny that in Genesis 1:5 God says the evening and the morning were 'one day.'

There is no problem believing 'evening & morning' designated 'one day', however, there is really no basis for saying that those first 3 'days', designated by evening & morning' were of 24 hour duration.

The 24 hour 'day' thing did not come into existence until after the sun was created and the earth was set in it present rotation. During the Big Bang, the earth was a mass spinning thru space at an unknown rotation.

Are you sure your middle name is not 'ASSUMPTION'?
---Lee1538 on 6/1/09


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Warwick, OK I'll bite,Monday..has absolutely nothing to do with "days of creation"
Both you and Jerry have deliberately refused to answer the fact that Gos called ALL 6 days of creation "THE DAY_>singular< That he created heaven and earth!Gen2.4.
Proving beyond the shadow of a doubt that a DAY is a period of time! Not necessarily 24hrs.!
Evening to morning is not a day, it's a NIGHT!
Evening to evening is one day!
Creation starts out "dark"(evening) ends up bright as day!(morning) are you blind???
---1st_cliff on 6/1/09


Lee I can continue to repeat the obvious without assumption for as long as you like.

Even you cannot honestly deny that in Genesis 1:5 God says the evening and the morning were 'one day.'

In English and Hebrew etc when you add a number 1, 1st etc to 'day' it means 24hrs.You have refused to answer questions about this for obvious reasons.

God then applies the same evening and morning formula to the sucessive 6 days of creation 'a second day 'a fifth day.' Therefore unless God is incompetent or a deceiver, the days must all be the same length.

He confirms this in Exodus 20:8 telling His people He created in 6, rested the 7th the template for the human week.

No assumptions there Lee!
---Warwick on 6/1/09


Lee it is quite ironic that you accuse others of using ASSUMPTIONS when in reality I and others base our understanding on His word, without assumptions, quite the opposite.

The funny part is that you do not get your view (on this, and other Scriptures)from God's word but on the opinions of man. You assume the earth is of vast age and then apply this baseless assumption to Scripture!

A question: I went away very early on Friday and returned monday late.

How many days was I away?
---Warwick on 6/1/09


Lee in your assumption the earth is ancient, far far older than Scripture says. 'Eons' older.

Therefore the creation of man, which we know is some thousands of years ago by the chronologies, is 'eons' after the beginning of this creation in which we live, in your story. But Jesus, the Creator, said man was made at the 'beginning of creation'-Mark 10:6

Note He is not saying at the beginning of creation week, but at the beginning of the creation, that in which we live.

In God's version of events i.e. 6-24hr creation this makes sense. But in your antiScriptural assumption Jesus is obviously speaking nonsense, as you say man was made 'eons' after the beginning of creation.

Who is correct Jesus, who was there, or Lee?
---Warwick on 6/1/09


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1stCliff,

A question: I left early Friday and returned on the evening of the fourth day.

What is the name of the day when I returned?

Unless language has no meaning there is only one answer. So no more dancing, no more evasion, just a straight answer.

The problem is, you cannot give a straight answer, as it would demonstrate the gaping hole in your story.
---Warwick on 6/1/09


Warwick - *It appears you believe God isn't powerful enough to light the earth without the sun.

Your ASSUMPTION has been that God is restricted to our concept of time, that He had to absolutely create the world in mere 24 hour time periods. Those first 3 days of creation do not necessary have to be limited to 24 hours.

Maybe you have never looked up the definition of what constitutes an assumption.
---Lee1538 on 6/1/09


Lee you are an entertaining fellow.

You are quite the magician pulling things out of the air. I have never said we need, or do not need to observe the Sabbath. That is not the point. The point being that God ordained that our week be exactly the same length as His 6-days of creation and one of rest. You really are a most deceitful man. The only alternative is that you are somewhat slow but you are not.

Contrary to your story a day is one rotation of the earth in relation to a light source. It appears you believe God isn't powerful enough to light the earth without the sun.

Pity about heaven, gunna be dark!
---Warwick on 6/1/09


Funny how if God uses numbers again and again, everyone says it proves the Bible not to be true, whereas I see it as pointing to an organized Creator, and Caretaker who intervenes in the lives of men and women. If the Satanists use numbers repeatedly (they have their favourite numbers too) nobody says it points to their controlling of major events on earth. In fact very few people will look into numerology and the NWO. The question contains an interesting spelling mistake, making me wonder as to the IQ of the writer. People who cannot spell ought to submit to the Creator and not question the Bible, leave that to the pseudo-scientists.
---frances008 on 5/31/09


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*God said: "For in 6 days the LORD made heaven and earth..." (Exo 20:11)

Jerry really refuses to acknowledge the FACT that God nowhere in Scripture states that all the days of creation were of 24 hour duration. In short, he subbornly refuses to acknowledge that all too much of what he believes is based on ASSUMPTIONS!

Yes, we can totally affirm the FACT that the Bible was written under the influence and direction of the Holy Spirit and that every word originates from HIm. But at the same time we certainly need to acknowledge the FACT that our interpretations of scripture is limited by our own intellect.

"For we know in part and we prophesy in part,but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away".
---Lee1538 on 5/31/09


Jerry, Even using AMS ,UCLA tested human bone from Sunnyvale Ca found it to measure 5,000 yrs. (previously thought to be 70,000) even at that,given the flood date circa 2300 bce does not allow time for people to migrate to north America!(using your belief in a one week creation)
Most scientists put the date of people in NA as 4,000 bce!
Uranium-lead radiometric dating on zircon (ZrS1O4) Rock dating 3 billion yrs.with less than 2 million yr. error! Highly respected method!
---1st_cliff on 5/31/09


NO Jerry, God is far from stupid, that's why He called all 6 days of creation " the DAY (Singular)Gen..2.4 as all 6 being one day (one period of time) You deliberately avoid mentioning this even tho I pointed it out more than once! Why??
Even Strong's Concordance calls it "a period of time"
Also a day with the Lord is as a thousand years , and a thousand years as a day!2Pet.3.8.
Ask a Geologist about the earth's strata and "time"! I live on the edge of the "preCambrian shield"
---1st_cliff on 5/31/09


God doesn't wish people to go to Hell, and we don't wish they will go to Hell either, and that is why Christians warn others to look at the direction in which they are headed. God intends for Christians to prophesy to others and hopes that the person will listen and change directions. However it is stated that people will hate us and not do as we suggest. Catherine is a good Christian trying to shake you to wake you. If she fails to do so (I hope she does not), at least she has warned others of the people who have erroneous ideas. As to the question, why shouldn't God work in a nice pattern if he so likes, instead of using random numbers?
---frances008 on 5/31/09


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Cliff: If you're interested, research the accuracy of accelerator mass spectrometer C14 dating vs. the old (inaccurate) geiger counter method. It's quite accurate and PROVES a young earth.

You said: "That each creation day is 24 hours is just not intelligent!" God said: "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth..." (Exo 20:11) Are you calling God stupid? The construction "the evening and the morning were the ____ day" (Heb: ereb + boqer = yom) applied to all 6 creation days can only be intelligently translated as (about) 24-hour days. If God intended that we understand creation as taking 6 literal days, He couldn't have said it more clearly.
---jerry6593 on 5/31/09


Jerry, You're right I'm no scientist,but I do understand some of the basics!
You know as well as that dating fossils and diamonds by this method is not reliable.
but dating carbonaceous materials can be accurate to 60,000 years.
That each creation day is 24 hours is just not intelligent! Especially when all 6 days are called "a" day Gen2.4 What was the hurry??? Was God in a time bind??? He had to rest after one week???
---1st_cliff on 5/29/09


Lee: "Warlick" Oh, that's good. Too bad Warwick is out of town for a few days, I know he'd enjoy that one. Let's see if we can come up with a new one for you. How about "Leak?"
---jerry6593 on 5/29/09


Cliff: [1st Cliff is too vague. I don't know if you are the 1st Cliff ever, the first one this week, or the first one today.]

I can see that science is not your strong suit. Your use of entropy seems out of place. The very existence of C14 in the earth (even in diamonds) PROVES that the earth is not millions of years old. The statistical mean age of all fossils worldwide with C14 dating is about 4500 years ago - the date of the biblical flood.

K-Ar dating ASSUMES that ALL the K and Ar in a rock sample are primal parent daughter products - no gas (Ar) escape and no leaching (in or out) over millions of years - A naive ASSUMPTION at best. The same goes for U-Pb, Rb-Sr, etc.
---jerry6593 on 5/29/09


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Warlick - * find it interesting that over time quite a few people have appeared here expressing doubt in the truth of Scripture, especially doubting the historical truth of the foundational book of Genesis. 3.

As a matter of FACT, I totally accept the Word of God including the Genesis account but the problem here is I refuse to accept your faulty ASSUMPTION that the 1st 3 days were solar days of 24 hour duration.

A day is based upon its relationship to its star. In our case, that is the sun which as you fail to understand was not created until the 4th day.

Your problem is your faulty theology that we need to observe the OT sabbath - a command not taught in the early church nor even suggested.
---lee1538 on 5/28/09


Warwick, It's difficult to give a "straight" answer when the question is vague.
The 4th day?
The 4th day of the week?
the 4th day of the month?
the 4th day from when you left?
---1st_cliff on 5/28/09


Jerry, Maybe you're familiar with the law of entropy' Carbon 14 half life (5,730 YRS.) is based on this premise.
not for billions of yrs. but up to ,say 60,000? That's lots more than 6,000 bible yrs!
There's also potassium argon (K-AR)dating,not anti- bible, just science!
Gen 2.4. lumps all 6 days and calls it "in the DAY (singular) God made heaven and earth"
Conclusion-day=period of time!
Evening and morning this is the 1st day?? with no sun, was it 24hrs? Sun-3rd day??
---1st_cliff on 5/28/09


Warwick: "So if I am leaving Friday and will rerturn on the fourth day when will I be back home?"

Oh, I know! 1 Billion years, right!
---jerry6593 on 5/28/09


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SDIENCE science tell us that a person once dead stays dead.do you believe God or science?
---tom2 on 5/27/09


"Science has proven the universe is much more than 10,000 yrs. old!"
---1st_cliff on 5/25/09

Are you a scientist? Can you back up your statement with scientific facts? If you can't, you might be lying and not know it.

What if I said "The earth was created instantaneously." Would you believe me? What if I were able to produce hard, scientific evidence of it? Would you believe me then?

We must be careful that what we call "science" is not just anti-religious dogma cloaked in scientific jargon.
---jerry6593 on 5/27/09


1stCliff.

A question for you which requires a straight answer: On Friday I am off car racing.

So if I am leaving Friday and will rerturn on the fourth day when will I be back home?
---Warwick on 5/26/09


Warwick, It's fundamentalists themselves that cause people to doubt.
IE Insisting that the six days of creation were 24hr.days, where they are actually 6 periods of time (a day is a period of time )
"In the DAY that God created heaven and earth!"Gen 2.4.
Science has proven the universe is much more than 10,000 yrs. old!
---1st_cliff on 5/25/09


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I find it interesting that over time quite a few people have appeared here expressing doubt in the truth of Scripture, especially doubting the historical truth of the foundational book of Genesis.

Almost exclusively when they are asked to explain what it is which makes Genesis, and especially Genesis creation hard to believe, they give no answer, and disappear.

Without speaking about any specific person it makes me wonder if they are really genuine people with genuine doubts and questions, or rather are sceptics who appear on these pages to sow doubts in the truth of God's word.
---Warwick on 5/23/09


Amand, what makes it hard for you to accept Genesis creation as historical fact?

Jesus and the apostles quoted from or alluded to the first 11 books of Genesis 107 times, always as sober history. Read John 3:12-Jesus says if we don't trust Him about earthly things (i.e. Genesis) how can we trust Him about heavenly things?

The NT says the historical events of Genesis are the reason Jesus came to die in our place. Genesis 1-3 is therefore the foundation of the Gospel. If we don't take this as historical truth (as Jesus did) upon what basis do we accept Jesus physically died in our place, that we may avoid hell and spend eternity with Him?

Is our salvation and eternity with Him real or just a story too?
---Warwick on 5/21/09


I have struggled with certain things myself as well. Lately the creation story doesn't seem real to me sometimes. However, do not worry about whether to take the whole Bible literal or not. I think as long as you believe in God, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus Christ, and they are in your heart and working on your life, you can be close to God.
---amand6348 on 5/21/09


It is good to define the proper meaning of words before arguing about them.

Literal: Theologically, Pertaining to the 'letter' of (Scripture), in interpretations, applied to taking the words of a text, etc., in their natural amd customary meaning, and using the ordinary rules of grammar,'

Therefore (when for example looking at Genesis Ch.1), I see no grammatical reason for taking it as other than historical prose i.e. fact.

However in Scripture we see the phrase 'the trees of the field clap their hands.' Surely no one believes God is saying there are fields of trees, actually with hands a'clapping?

Therefore we should be able to understand what is allegory, what is poetry, what is historical prose.
---Warwick on 5/19/09


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This argument is much like the one on evolution IE Make an "assumption" then build on it as tho it was truth!
Assumption- God could have dictated scripture about the beginning.
This being established the rest is "history".
Truth is God wrote only the 10 commandments (twice).So you see, He can write!
It is only a collection of holy writings, some authors known ,some unknown.
We can glean the truth from these writings as there is no other guide and the continuity is astounding!
---1st_cliff on 5/18/09


On the first reading of ---Phil_the_Elder's post ,although deeply disappointed, I had decided not to comment. Then came Warwick's post in answer to---Phil_the_Elder's post and I want to be in agreement with Warwick!!!
---mima on 5/18/09


Phil the Elder if, as you write 'The Bible is a collection of writings my many fallible human authors of varying ability about the nature of God.'

How can it be :

'an excellent tool for learning about God but it is only a tool to increase our [mankind's] knowledge of the divine nature of the first three members of the Devinne (sic)family.'

Where is it in error?

'The writings contained in the Bible are based on man's accounts'

How can this be true? What man witnessed creation to then write about it?
---Warwick on 5/18/09


One of the problems is that most people consider the Bible to be "God's Word", nothing could be further from the truth. The Bible is a collection of writings my many fallible human authors of varying ability about the nature of God.

It is an excellent tool for learning about God but it is only a tool to increase our [mankind's] knowledge of the divine nature of the first three members of the Devinne family.

it is most definitely not Inerrant as it was penned by human beings, inspired to write but not what to write. The writings contained in the Bible are based on man's accounts, some in historical style, some poetry, some simply narrative. Each presenting their individual prospective of the devine nature.
---Phil_the_Elder on 5/16/09


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The Bible is not perfect and the minority of people who continue to dogmatically claim that it is perfect do christiantiy a disservice. Thinking individuals can sometimes see the mistakes that exist now and can also read multiple earlier manuscript versions or alternatate translations that have variations which cannot all be correct. I understand the concern with those who feel that you have to believe it all or you wonder what to believe. But turning a blind eye to the truth can't make facts change.
---Sophia on 4/15/09


Bob I am with you. Ultimately God's perfect word is the only thing we can absolutely trust in this fallen world.

Some people pick and choose what they are prepared to accept as truth in His word, but if it isn't all true on what basis do they claim that any of it is true?

Bob I have mostly found that those who doubt the truth of Scripture do so for nonBiblical reasons. They have more respect for the changing opinions of falible sinful men than for the perfect word of our God, who was there, makes no mistakes, and cannot lie.
---Warwick on 4/14/09


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. God inspired men to write His Word. If His awesome power created the world and man, I'm certain that He could choose the right men and inspire them with the Holy Spirit to write His word as He dictated it. Our God would now allow any incorrect information in His Word. His Word is perfect just as He is perfect. That is why He had John warn those who would add to or take away anything from His Word. He would also make sure all translations would be accurate too! Do the rest of you born again Christians believe His Word is inerrant and infallible?
---Bob on 4/13/09


MEW-Genesis 1, God doubly defines 'day' as having evening and morning, darkness and light. Can only be a 24 hr day.

He also numbers His days, meaning 24hr days. We follow that definition today. 'I am going away for 3 days' would anyone ask how long the days are?

In the 10 Commandments, God says He created in six, already defined days, and rested on the seventh, commanding His people to follow this formula, exactly. Later, when speaking to Moses He twice said anyone working the Sabbath was to be executed. If you are correct no one could know when this deadly day was!

2 Peter 3:8 has nothing to do with the length of days on earth. It concerns God being outside of time-we aren't.
---Warwick on 4/13/09


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One of the most important barriers to the true understanding of anything (anything at all) is "preconceived notions"/ideas.

Many of these preconceived notions have no factual basis either, but because it is easier and more satisfying to rush to a conclusion, we never really continue on to realize THE [one and only] truth.

A "CREATION day" should not be expected to be the same length as one of humanity's days.

2 Peter 3:8
"with The Lord, a day is as a thousand years".

Whether the time between creation days was of similar length should not matter in a true and sincere devotion/relationship.

Paul made the decision to know nothing about devotion except Christ and Him crucified.
---more_excellent_way on 4/11/09


catherine: "I do not really care about your disappointments."

You really must be enjoying the attention you are getting by your unchristian remarks, eh?

Besides, if you don't care about anyone's disappointments, then God doesn't care about yours. It's as simple as that. Learn about developing your interpersonal skills. Do an online bible search for "one another," "each other," and "encourag."

Praying you and yours peace of mind, joy of spirit, good health and many great friends to share them with in Jesus' name.
---Steveng on 4/3/09


Catherine you wrote 'I can not wait when all you people end up in hell.'

I said I was disappointed you wrote such a cruel thing.

You apparently replied, 'I do not really care about your disappointments.'

If this is directed at me I am very disappointed in you because your attitude is most unChristian.
---Warwick on 4/3/09


There are favorite numbers in the bible. I'm not sure they are significant to God. Perhpas they are just significant within the culture of those who wrote the record. Center you belief on God and Christ. Remember the first and second commandments: love God and love your neighbor as your self. Find ways to let the other teachings tie in with these, since Christ said that upon these "hang all the law and prophets"
---Doug on 4/2/09


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Catherine ... I wonder when you look into hell to make sure we are all there (for you do say that you can't wait to see "all you people" in hell) and to fan the flames ... you may yourself get scorched.
---alan8566_of_UK on 4/2/09


** I can not wait when all you people end up in hell. You'll find out that the Bible is true, and not just a made up story. But then it will be too late, for you! Hallelujah! That is the good news.>>>God said so.**

No, He didn't, and He told me to tell you that it's obvious to everyone here you've been listening to an imposter.

The Good News is that God does NOT want people in hell. Read John 3:16.
---katavasia on 4/2/09


I do not really care about your disappointments. Think how disappointed you and countless others will be, believing that you are going to go to heaven, only to find out>>> that you missed it. Satan does not wish for you to know these things.
---catherine on 4/2/09


Don't allow numbers to cloud your salvation.
---Steveng on 4/1/09


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James,

The Bible definitely seems to use numbers in patterns or to teach a spiritual truth. However, many people put too much significance on Biblical numerology, trying to find a special meaning behind every number in the Bible. Often a number in the Bible is simply a number. God does not call us to search for secret meanings, hidden messages, and codes in the Bible. There is more than enough truth in the words and meanings of Scripture to meet all our needs and make us complete and thoroughly equipped for every good work - 2 Timothy 3:16
---lesla3685 on 4/1/09


Catherine I am surprized and somewhat disappointed that you chose to write this way.

There is no doubt that some who blog here are in reality opposed to Scripture and therefore opponents of Christ. Even so it is our job to persist in presenting the truth of His word so that they may come to accept the truth and be saved.

Our Lord does not wish that anyone should go to hell, so why should we?
---Warwick on 4/1/09


Catherine, it is disgusting things like that which you and other Christians say, itching to see people who disagree with you burn in hell, that makes Christianity stink to nonchristians. No love, no compassion, just hate. God have mercy on you.
---JohnnyB on 4/1/09


But the assumption that the events of the first week required thousands upon thousands of years, strikes directly at the foundation of the fourth commandment. It represents the Creator as commanding men to observe the week of literal days in commemoration of vast, indefinite periods. This is unlike his method of dealing with his creatures. It makes indefinite and obscure that which he has made very plain. It is infidelity in its most insidious and hence most dangerous form, its real character is so disguised that it is held and taught by many who profess to believe the Bible. - EGW, CE, 190
---jerry6593 on 4/1/09


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I can not wait when all you people end up in hell. You'll find out that the Bible is true, and not just a made up story. But then it will be too late, for you! Hallelujah! That is the good news.>>>God said so.
---catherine on 4/1/09


All through the Bible the writers refer to it and take it litertally so why shouldn't we? It is not referred to as anything but true and accurate.
---john on 4/1/09


When read as a novel, the Bible is a novel. when read as a manual it is a good one. When you read the Bible as a history of mankind and the earth, it is that also. Where the crunch comes is to believe it is a true telling from BEFORE creation forward 4000 years. Each "book" in the Bible offers truths, history, and spiritual leadership. When I first made an honest attempt to read parts of the Bible, I read it as a book. It was years before I realized it took a step of faith to actually understand what is there. As for me, I believe it is real. I believe my God can create worlds in a nano-second. What we see in the Bible is for our consumption. What God can do is not within our mind's grasp so He helps us with each step we take.
---mikefl on 4/1/09


MEW,God is perfect, makes no mistakes, never missinforms, never lies. Why then would He carefully define 24hr day, and say He created in 6 of these, if He didn't?

Consider Exodus 20, surely serious fact? He informed His people they were to work 6 days, and rest the 7th because He created in six days and rested the 7th.

He indisputably links His creation days with our living days.

If we cannot take this as fact then your God is either hopeless or a deceiver.

In Exodus 31:14-17 God again covers the Sabbath saying (twice) if anyone works on it they are to be executed.

If you are right they could not know when the deadly day was! Then your God is also an ogre!
---Warwick on 4/1/09


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JohnnyB: "The creation account is not literal and never was meant to be. It is a story written to make a point."

You are such a fool. So, does this mean you don't believe any of the miracles Jesus performed? By just his spoken word and defying physical laws he calmed the storm, changed water into wine, healed the sick, walked on water, restored a decaying body to life and a few others.

He created something from nothing by taking a couple of loaves of bread and several fish to feed thousands.

You know about God, but you surely deny his power.
---Steveng on 3/31/09


JohnnyB you write 'The creation account is not literal and never was meant to be. It is a story written to make a point.'

Just so we understand that this is not just your own opinion (Colossians 2:8) please show me where Scripture says this is so.
---Warwick on 3/31/09


I take the principles and doctrines as literal as seems reasonable given other scriptures that also deal with the same topic. As to the history, science, geology and geography, I don't worry quite so much about that. I realize the bible wasn't trying to teach ancient history or science so much as teach us how we should act in our daily lives. So I don't get too worried when the two creation accounts or other factoids that seem wierd. I focus instead on the consistent messages that teach me not to lie, steal, kill etc. and Christ's teachings that I should love God and my fellow men.
---Sophia on 3/31/09


The creation account is not literal and never was meant to be. It is a story written to make a point. God bless.
---JohnnyB on 3/31/09


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You are having a problem taking the Word of God literally because you do not know the Author of the Bible yet, God Himself. Do you have a close, intimate relationship with Him yet?

And you probably do not have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

1st Corinthians says that the natural mind cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God because they are foolish to him. You need the Holy Spirit to interpret the word of God for you, to reveal it to you. Truth is revealed.

Jesus said My words, they are Spirit.
Jesus is the Word and the Word became flesh and dwelt amount us so if you don't know Jesus then you won't understand His Word.
---donna8365 on 3/31/09


James B, When studying the bible you must determine if what you read is--literal--symbolic--prophetic or figurative!
Jesus used "illustrations" (parables) when teaching! Like word pictures.
---1st_cliff on 3/30/09


If you simply want a textual/literary (intellectual) understanding of the book, then you will not have a spiritual/inner understanding OF GOD...make that clear distinction between "GOD" and..."BOOK" no matter what anyone says or their reasoning.

In the bible it says that "the word became flesh". That means that God REVEALED His complete truth to humanity by sending His son.

REAL devotion (circumcision) is not LITERAL...

Romans 2:29
"real circumcision is a matter of the heart, spiritual and not literal".

No matter how long each "day of creation" was (1,000 to 1 million years?) and no matter how much time between them, the goal is a close devotion/relationship.
---more_excellent_way on 3/29/09


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