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What If Adam Hadn't Sinned

If Adam and Eve had not sinned, would God still have sent Jesus? Do you think God allowed the serpent to tempt Eve so that she would sin so that God could send Jesus?

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now a lawyer and a layer can be the same depending on the law and those with which one lies.
---aka on 11/4/12
so true thanks to Adam's sin
---francis on 11/5/12


no francis ... i missed it. but i did notice layers on your list.

now a lawyer and a layer can be the same depending on the law and those with which one lies.
---aka on 11/4/12


---aka on 11/3/12
did you not see that i revised my list? LOL

or are we about to have a silly arguement.....
---francis on 11/4/12


---francis on 11/2/12

i agree, but you forgot...

silly arguments that are derived from small parts of the Scripture while ignoring others.
---aka on 11/3/12




If Adam had not sinned there would be no:
silly arguments that are derived from small parts of the Scripture while ignoring others.
---aka on 11/3/12

Cars
Cell phones
HD TV
Airplanes and Jets
Boats
Steak
Lamb chops
Mcdonalds
Wendy's
KFC
Wal-mart
Fur coats
Ear rings
watches
gold chains
Lip stick
Doctors
layers
Policemen
Firemen
---francis on 11/3/12


---francis on 11/2/12

i agree, but you forgot...

silly arguments that are derived from small parts of the Scripture while ignoring others.
---aka on 11/3/12


That plagiarized spill accerts free will and the fact that man is free to choose.
Lisa, you know not what you are saying.
---Nana on 11/2/12


If Adam had not sinned there would be no:
Cars
Cell phones
HD TV
Airplanes and Jets
Boats
Steak
Lamb chops
Mcdonalds
Wendy's
KFC
Wal-mart
Fur coats
Ear rings
watches
gold chains
Lip stick
Doctors
layers
Policemen
Firemen
---francis on 11/2/12


1Cliff says,
"By saying "God knew from the beginning that Adam would fail" is making Him "complicit"
If God knows all thing and knows what we are going to choose, then by definition, we are still making a choice, After all, the argument says that God know what "we" are going to choose. If we are going to choose something, then we really are making a choice otherwise it wouldn't be logical to assert that God knows what we are going to choose. Choice implies the ability to decide between different options. By definition if God knows what we are going to choose, then He knows what we are going to choose between the options. Otherwise we are not choosing anything and the statement is illogical.
---Mark_V. on 11/1/12




The answer to your first question would be NO! There would've been no reason for Jesus to come and to die such a unbelievely torturous death. Even before the Creation, the works was already in the works for our redeemer to come to earth. God allowed the temptation. It had something to do with choice. Eve chose to disobey God. Because of one man sin we are all damned. So, here comes Jesus, to save His lost sheep....[The woman is the weaker vessel]. Eve's sin affected Adam, and consequently, Adam's sin affected the entire race [Rom. 5:12]. There is no such thing as private sin, every sin affects someone else. Hallelujah.
---pat on 11/1/12


If Adam and Eve had not sinned, would God still have sent Jesus? Do you think God allowed the serpent to tempt Eve so that she would sin so that God could send Jesus?
---donna8365 on 3/31/09
NO on BOTH COUNTS

keep in mind that they already had Jesus before they sinned
---francis on 11/1/12


Well,Beloved, family,I do know about Eve and" her slip of the lip!" Hate to say it,but,some of us,women believe nearly anything,naive, what ever Ever was weak, not sure if it was planned, don't. Think it we like with Job,God gave satan permission,to irritate Job. Happy life,well,if she could have been not like she was,maybe we wouldn't be here,or maybe we would ... 50/50! smile, love of JESUS!
---ELENA on 10/31/12


If Adam had not sinned, someone else along the way would have. God gave us free will.

Someone else would have made the wrong choice along the way.
---NurseRobert on 8/26/09


We would be living in Bliss. Everything would be provided for us even today, even fellowship with God.
Eve listening to satan & Not God, partook of the forbidden fruit then passed it Adam. Some dont know about this scripture found in 1st Tim.2 v 14.
---Lawrence on 8/24/09


Good question, but this follows the error of slippery slope. Slippery slope thinking is if this happens that will happen then this will happen etc etc etc. God allowed Satan to torment Job. Job did not succumb to sin while satan was doing this, so no I don't think that God deliberately had this planned. I think he knew what we were going to do.
---amand6348 on 5/21/09


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kathr4453 is right though to say that Adam and Eve would still be in the Garden of Eden (or 'pleasure') if they hadn't sinned. And they would have been running around it in perfect health, without suffering old age, sickness and death, with their integrity to God intact. The only possibility of death God said was disobedience against his one command.

Sin and death was not part of God's original purpose for humans. Death is the enemy- Romans 15:26. Sin and death was brought by Adam's disobedience- Romans 5:12, not through God's doing.
---David8318 on 5/6/09


Does anyone seriously think that if Adam and Eve had not sinned that no one else out of the billions of humans born since would sin?

Free will allows sin and it would have only been a matter of time before some other human failed to obey God.

God knew from the beginning that there is a need for a redemption plan. I don't see how anything different could have transpired.
---obewan on 5/5/09


If there was no sin, God could not display almost all of His atttributes and nature, grace, mercy, wrath, forgiveness, His Son Jesus Christ, His love, His Omniscience, His Omnipotence, His Foreknowledge, His wonderful works in the lives of all people, and His love to those He has called to His kingdom.
---MarkV. on 5/5/09


Stevenq I whole heartedly agree. Do we not have important Christian works to perform?

This is a waste of good time.
---Warwick on 5/5/09


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"It was Eve who was tempted, not adam."
kathr4453 on 5/4/09

Oh, Adam was tempted as well, just not by the same being but by the same sin. I make that qualifies both Adam and Eve to be just as responsible for the transgression of the command.
---Nana on 5/5/09


The fact is that Adam did sin - no ands, ifs, or buts. These "what if" arguements are a waste of your godly mind power which can be put to better use than to debate such theology. We should be teaching about truth, about the gospel, about Jesus, about the Kingdom of God and how to get there. Anything else would be just idle chitchat.

Isaiah 58:13
---Steveng on 5/4/09


***Both the 'first' and the 'last' Adams were created, were perfect men on earth and tempted by Satan. David8318**


Sorry David8318, Adam was created out of the dust of the earth....Jesus was the ONLY begotten of the Father. TWO entirely different entities. WERE they BOTH tempted? It was Eve who was tempted, not adam. He willfully died with Eve, as a TYPE of Christ who willingly Died for US...His Bride.

Jesus was with the Father from the beginning, took on the seed of Abraham, and died for US so that we can LIVE through HIM.

WE His Church do not inherit the earth, but Heaven itself. Jesus is preparing a place IN HEAVEN for us now as we speak!!!

Earthly Israel will linherit the earth during the 1000 Year Reign.
---kathr4453 on 5/4/09


Well, Donna, if Adam or Eve had not sinned then you or I would have. So we would still be in the same fix.
---Elder on 5/3/09


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'they would STILL be running naked in teh Garden of Eden...a very small piece of real estate.' (kathr4453 5/1/09)

You appear not to have read God's instructions to them to 'become many and fill the earth and subdue it'. Gen.1:28. It's clear that the 'garden' they inhabited was to 'fill the earth'.

Quoting from Psalms 37:11, the 'last Adam', (Jesus Christ) promises the 'mild tempered ones will inherit the earth'. Matthew 5:5.

God's purpose for the earth has not changed.
---David8318 on 5/1/09


If Adam & Eve had not sinned, they would STILL be running naked in teh Garden of Eden...a very small piece of real estate. They would be and always be flesh creatures made out of the dust of the earth.

It was God's plan from before the foundation of the world to bring Sons and Daughters INTO Glory, a place far ABOVE the Angels.

Adam & Eve were created below the Angels.

Those In Christ are raised up and given a place ABOVE the Angels.
---kathr4453 on 5/1/09


The 'last Adam' was sent to reverse the destructive effects of the actions of the 'first Adam'. (1 Cor.15:45) Both the 'first' and the 'last' Adams were created, were perfect men on earth and tempted by Satan. The faithful course of the 'last Adam' brings blessings to all those exercising faith in him. (John 3:16)

Prior to the sin of the 'first Adam', there is no indication in Genesis of God's intention to send a redeemer in the form the 'last Adam'. There was no need prior to the sin of the 'first Adam'. God saw everything He'd made and, 'behold, it was very good.' (Ge.1:31)

James 1:13 states: 'For God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.'
---David8318 on 4/16/09


Jesus is God, and was in his garden with Adam. God is not guilty: God gave sin to no one: the serpent sinned first, then persuaded the woman to sin, and then the woman gave sin to Adam.
---Eloy on 4/15/09


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adam & eve would not have sinned if only god did not put the tree of good & evil. no tree, no fall, no sin. just as simple as that. now we are blamed for a very simple decision but adam did not ask god to put a tree of good & evil. there is no mention in the bible of adam saying 'god can you put a tree of good & evil?'
---mike on 4/14/09


If Adam had not disobeyed God then he would have replaced Satan and ruled the earth

Christ was sent because Adam failed
---Rhonda on 4/6/09


God did not proposition Lucifer to rebel nor did he suggest it.That would be sin .God is sinless.God is not both as some believe good and evil.
All spirits and angels have the same free will to rebel as we have.
Life is a test of temptations -up until the day in our future we may be credited -the pure in heart shall see God-as becoming a perfected spirit.
There was rebel spirit manipulation in the garden-a snake in the grass -who was effective in causing A & E to default with plan A.The result of their rule violation was human death as we all recognize it.
If they were here with us today there would remain the same test of temptations but two tested guides with us .
Happy are the ones who believe without seeing.
---earl on 4/5/09


If Adam had not sinned, then there would have been no need for a savior. Our relationship with the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity would have been different. This is why St. Augustine wrote with regard to original sin, "O happy fault that merited such and so great a Redeemer." Augustine is celebrating in a poetic way Christ's victory over sin. He is sort of laughing at the sin as if to say to it, "Ha Ha, look what we have as a consequence to you. We have Jesus!" Indeed, although God does allow evil to occur in our fallen world, from it, through faith in Christ, God always brings about a greater good.
---Victor on 4/4/09


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The blog question is a "what if" incomplete hypothetical and has no answer. God orchestrates everything. Eph.1.11, Rom.11.32.
---JohnnyB on 4/1/09


Catherine, By saying "God knew from the beginning that Adam would fail" is making Him "complicit"

God can and did choose "not to know",allowing Adam (and all mankind for that matter)free will and choice!

Knowing before hand would put Him in a position to "control" (and influence our decisions).
---1st_cliff on 4/1/09


Honestly? The point I was trying to get to was that if this was God's predestined plan, then wouldn't it make sense that he has a predestined plan for all of our lives? Sinners and repentent sinners which call themselves Christians.
OR is the predestined plan just for repentent sinners and what about the ones who don't repent?
---donna8365 on 4/1/09


Donna: Consider this. God is & has always been the Creator. Before He created the universe (heaven & earth) as we know it, He was the Creator. Today, He is yet the Creator. God is the Creator! :)

If we wrap our minds around this fact, then reality becomes very clear. It is no small thing that God planted man in "the garden". Think about it & then frame your questions therein.
---Leon on 4/1/09


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The point is God knew from the beginning that man would fall. God planned on sending His Son, Jesus Christ, before the creation of this world. You can study about it in Genesis [first gospel]. It's true, that God does permit temptations. God does not force us into temptation. [God tempts no one]. Satan gets ALL the credit for that. When you are saved, then you have the person of the Holy Spirit, His strength, to say no. If you walk in the Spirit, sin will no longer have control over you. Walk in the flesh, you DEAD. The first gospel [Gen. 3:15].
---catherine on 4/1/09


God didn't "need" to send the Son to take flesh to start with.

God freely CHOSE to do things in this way.

And had the fall not happened, ancient Christian teachers have opined that God would still have become incarnate anyway, because He loves His creation so much, He wished to be identified with His creatures as closely as possible.
---katavasia on 3/31/09


Donna, This is the pivotal question of our existence.
If Adam had not sinned he would still be alive!
That's why satan had to get to him early,before he sired any children,to capture the entire human race.
If they had children before sinning,those persons would not die like the ones "after"sinning" Hence 2 races of humans. Those that don't grow old and die and those that do!
Prescription for disaster!
---1st_cliff on 3/31/09


I can die now because I have officially heard it all. I simply can not think of a non-sarcastic response to this question.....
---TIMOTHY on 3/31/09


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God wouldn't have needed to send Jesus if Adam & Eve didn't sin. We have free agency/free will so Eve chose to listen to satan, Adam chose not to guard her to help her not be decieved. God did not send satan because Satan was already cast out of the heavens by his choice.
---emma on 3/31/09


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