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Baptized The Same Day

Is it necessary to be baptized as soon as you accept Christ - the same day or is it ok to be baptized at a later date?

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Very good points. Without the HOLY SPIRIT we are just getting people wet. The HOLY SPIRIT is what brings about being Born Again.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/1/14


The water part, yes. I do not believe the baptism of the Spirit to be automatic upon belief, this baptism is determined by our Lord and in his time.
Saul did not lose the Spirit, the Spirit got lost from him (the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul). Ephesians 4:30 "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God..." I believe Saul grieved it.
v6, no it does not. A man with the Spirit of God must still steer his earthly vessel, John 3:25 "purifying".
Ephesians 4 is about steering this vessel, "And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.", v24

"dying to self"
Good perspective Samuelbb7.
---Nana on 4/30/14


Dear Nana

I look on the lifetime part as dying to self daily and living to JESUS.


1Pe 2:24

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.


1Co 15:31

I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/30/14


"Water symbolizes the cleaning agent which is repentance or a clean conscience."-Nana on 4/30/14
So, If I understand you correctly, the baptism of the Spirit is automatic upon belief, but the baptism of water is done in obedience and as a testimony to that obedience?
In regards to Saul, you believe that we can lose the Spirit just as in the OT?
This is probably for another blog though.
The other question I had was about John 3:5. Doesn't v6 explain what the water and the Spirit are in v5?
---micha9344 on 4/30/14


Eph 4:5, "One Lord, one faith, one baptism"
Paul also says, "There is one body, and one Spirit..."
Two separate things. To which of the two parts is Paul saying at the opening:
"I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,"
We must come clean and stay clean before the Lord an our fellow men. Water symbolizes the cleaning agent which is repentance or a clean conscience.
God's annointing, his Spirit over us is a precious gift. We see how Saul lost it, 1 Samuel 16:14 and how Paul keeps himself, 1 Corinthians 9:27, even our Lord touches on that, John 8:29.
---Nana on 4/30/14




Nana, thank you for your answer. I appreciate how you separated the question giving both a "yes."
How does Eph 4:5, "One Lord, one faith, one baptism", fit into the necessity of two?
---micha9344 on 4/29/14


water, once when entering the family of God. However, the effectual baptism as it where must not be a once in a lifetime affair but must accompany a guided life as a child of God. "Bring fruits meet for repentance". This is our part with our fellow man as well as with God. It is human.
Spiritual, that is orchestrated by God. Read 1 Corinthians 10:1-12.

micha, did not mean to offend. I'll use the water myself.
---Nana on 4/29/14


nana, rather than ad hominem (personal) attacks, maybe a clarification of your previous post?
Samuel stated that "both" are fine.
I understand "both" to be "as soon as" and "a later date"
You posted that "both together" are "requirement."
I asked "how many times should one be baptized?"
considering your statement that both are a requirement.
I did not see an answer in your post, just snide comment about the state of affairs between me and God in regards to my being baptized.
It is possible to have a little more instruction for learning and a little less judgment from speculation?
---micha9344 on 4/29/14


No baptism can give new life. Only the God can do that.
I Cor 12. the only valid baptism in this Age of Grace. It's a baptism human hands can't touch, it's a baptism that a lost person can't have.

I Cor 12:13 "For by one Spirit are we (believers) all (not a few) baptized into one body,"
As we believe Paul's gospel. death burial, and resurrection, then the Holy Spirit baptizes, or places us, into the Body of Christ, the Church. What about unbeliever? Are they members of the BoC? No, they can't be. They are unsaved. Only the saved go into the BoC. So the only baptism that really counts for eternity is this one. The one that places the true believer into the Body of Christ.
---michael_e on 4/28/14


"Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.", John 3:5
Is that one or two things?
Those at Pentecost were not baptized in a ceremonial sense, God filled them with the Holy Ghost nonetheless.
The house of Cornelious was not baptized in a ceremonial sense yet, the Holy Ghost fell on all who heard Peter.

Acts 5:32 "...witnesses of these things, and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him."
Obey God in what? Read Isaiah 1:16_20
"Wash you, make you clean, put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes, cease to do evil,..."

micha9344, can anybody forbid water? It seems you need washing?
---Nana on 4/28/14




Both together are more than fine, excellent! They are requirement.-Nana on 4/28/14
It is required that one be baptized the same day "and" a later date?
How many times should one be baptized?
---micha9344 on 4/28/14


"Both are fine. It is not required either way."
---Samuelbb7 on 4/28/14

Both together are more than fine, excellent! They are requirement.
---Nana on 4/28/14


Both are fine. It is not required either way.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/28/14


...Any one can water baptize anyone, no salvation involved...michael e

This says it all.

As others have pointed out in other blogs...

ALL power is given unto jesus.

So the power of baptism can be handed down?

Interesting the next verse...what does it say to baptize in? Remember baptism does not only mean in water.
---aka on 4/27/14


//The Ethiopian Eunuch would never have been allowed to convert to Judaism precisely because he WAS a eunuch.//
Why would he be in Jerusalem worshipping?
//Read First Corinthians.//
Crispus,(a jew) the chief ruler of the synagogue Gaius and Stephanas gentles? no proof.
//Of course, St. Paul was not sent to baptize. Being a missionary bishop, water baptisms would normally have been performed by the local presbyters.//
Could you name a few?

Any one can water baptize anyone, no salvation involved.

No unsaved in the one baptism Paul advocates.
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free, and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
---michael_e on 4/26/14


**// The Corinthian Gentiles, received water baptism//
BCV please.**

Read First Corinthians.

*
Where does it say Paul baptized him?**

Acts.

** could the jailer be Stephanas?
Crispus(the chief ruler of the synagogue) and Gaius,(?)**

Stephanus was baptized in Corinth if and only if Corinth and Philippi were the same cities.

Of course, St. Paul was not sent to baptize. Being a missionary bishop, water baptisms would normally have been performed by the local presbyters.

The Ethiopian Eunuch would never have been allowed to convert to Judaism precisely because he WAS a eunuch.

No evidence that Cornelius was a proselyte.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/26/14


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....I do not think that there was any baptism as that you suggest being performed by his disciples during his earthly ministry.... nana

it wasn't for his disciples as Michael_e has been trying to explain. And there was a transition after pentecost...and it is still prevalent today. I would not deny you water either if that is the limits of your understanding.

If jesus does not baptize as John says...then he is a liar...and so is jesus.
---aka on 4/25/14


"Jesus does sanction baptism with fire (through trial) and the Holy Spirit."
---aka on 4/25/14

I do not think that there was any baptism as that you suggest being performed by his disciples during his earthly ministry.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth, It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Of course you also know that Peter baptized Cornelious with water AFTER that they had received the Holy Ghost right?

Acts 10: 47 "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we."
---Nana on 4/25/14


//How important is baptism? we should consider that Jesus sanctioned baptism//
We should also consider that Christ in His earthly ministry dealt with the nation of Israel. Matt 10:6, 15:24, Rom 15:8
Paul says "one baptism" and he says it isn't water "Christ sent me not to baptize"
//1 Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us //
Peter a representative of Israel speaks to Israel.
Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship, that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
---michael_e on 4/25/14


How important is baptism? we should consider that Jesus sanctioned baptism...---Nana on 4/25

Agreed. Jesus does sanction baptism. However, the erroneous assumption is that baptism always means with water.

Matthew 3:11 ESV

I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."

Jesus does sanction baptism with fire (through trial) and the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 4:4-5 ESV

There is one body and one Spirit ... one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

So...which baptism does jesus sanction?
---aka on 4/25/14


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" I know not whether I baptized any other.(how important was water baptism)"
He was just speaking of that group, not the world at large.

"Christ sent me not to baptize"

John 3:22 "After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea, and there he tarried with them, and baptized."
John 4:2 "(Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)"

How important is baptism? we should consider that Jesus sanctioned baptism.

1 Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"
---Nana on 4/25/14


// The Corinthian Gentiles, received water baptism//
BCV please.
//The Philippian jailer was a Gentile, and St. Paul baptized him and his family.//
Where does it say Paul baptized him? could the jailer be Stephanas?
Crispus(the chief ruler of the synagogue) and Gaius,(?)
16 ... I know not whether I baptized any other.(how important was water baptism)
17" Christ sent me not to baptize,
//The Ethiopian Eunuch(No doubt a proselyte)
//Cornelius the Centurion// baptized by a representative of Israel, preaching the kingdom gospel.
//Now, what's this nonsense about water baptism not being for Gentiles?//
There were proselytes)
Paul speaking to the boC says one baptism, performed by the Holy Spirit not a man
---michael_e on 4/24/14


Pentecost?
Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Was that after Pentecost?

John 3:22_23 "After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea, and there he tarried with them, and baptized. And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized."

Why were Jesus disciples baptizing at the same time John was still baptizing? I am not buying your supersession theory.
---Nana on 4/23/14


The Corinthian Church was made up of Gentiles, and they received water baptism. St. Paul baptized a few himself.

The Philippian jailer was a Gentile, and St. Paul baptized him and his family.

The Ethiopian Eunuch was hardly a Jew, yet St. Philip the Deacon baptized him.

Cornelius the Centurion was a Roman, yet was baptized by St. Peter.

Now, what's this nonsense about water baptism not being for Gentiles?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/23/14


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//So, are you saying that it served a purpose before?//
Yes
//What was it and why it is not valid today?//
The Water baptism gospel, (kingdom gospel)Israel (Luke 7:29-30).
They continued the water baptism gospel through Pentecost where Israel asked what they should do for the crucifying the Messiah. Acts 2:38

No one preaching the baptism gospel understood the preaching of the cross. Water baptism was presented for remission (forgiveness) of sins.

Paul taught the cross of Christ for forgiveness of sins. It was first known by Paul that water baptism wasn't required and was separate from the true forgiveness of sins which is through Christs blood (Eph 1:7).
---michael_e on 4/23/14


How True, water baptism serves no purpose today."
---michael_e on 4/23/14

So, are you saying that it served a purpose before? What was it and why it is not valid today?

Water baptism continued with John and Crist's disciples while John lived and afterwards.

John 4:1_2
John 3:22_23
---Nana on 4/23/14


//I know I will catch heck for this, but baptism is not necessary for salvation or much of anything else but to get wet.//
How True, water baptism serves no purpose today.
---michael_e on 4/23/14


Duane: You quoted Mark 16:16, which many quote as a 'need to be baptised' - reasonable.

But what about the following question, which Jesus never answers in Mark 16:16

What about one who believes but is never baptised? We are told of one person only, the thief on the cross, but the situation never comes up again.

What is your view?
---Peter on 4/20/14


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11.Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr on 4/20/14


I know I will catch heck for this, but baptism is not necessary for savaltion or much of anything else but to get wet. Sure, it can be meaningful to the person doing it, but I believe it is a distraction. A life in Christ is not so much what one does, but who she or he is. The life in Christ is an heart issue, not an outward works issue. Works come from the heart. God changes our hearts. Baptism will not change a heart. God changes the heart. The basic message of Jesus was that the hearts of people need changed. John baptized with water, but God baptizes with the Holy Spirit. Rely on Christ for Life, not on something a person can do. It's challenging, because we want to do something, but Christ did it.
---Rodj on 7/18/09


This is a good topic!Read the Book of Acts!It is about washing away your sins and letting the Lord Jesus Christ guide you through his Holy Spirit!Submitting yourself to Christ who will renew your soul mind and spirit!
---Robert_Bordonaro on 7/15/09


Being saved Is a process,Mark 16 v 16,Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt. 28 v's 19-20.
---Lawrence on 7/13/09


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In Acts chapter 2 after peter had preached Christ to the masses gathered there for Pentecost. The apostles were asked by the masses what they had to do to be saved. The reply starts in verse 38. Repent and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you shall receive the gift of the holy spirit.. On that day 3000 souls were saved by being baptized into Christ. It is impossible to be saved without baptism. You can say you accept Christ all you want you still not saved. You not saved until you have been baptized for the remission of sins.
---Jon on 7/13/09


** Is it worth the effort? However The Christian view on Baptism and confirmation is vastly different 1Baptism for infants is essential as it removes original sin. For an adult removes all sin including Original sin. In confirmation administered at about age 11 or 12**

In the Eastern Churches, infants are baptized AND immediatly confirmed AND brought up for Communion from that time always.
---katavasia on 4/16/09


All of you, should realize it is not about us. It is about God.
---catherine on 4/14/09

Amen!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 4/15/09


I was surprised when I figured it out about mine. It was about six months, After I was saved. I did not think that I waited that long. Really, as I remember back it wasn't me it was God. Wait until the Person of the living God tells you when it's time. All of you, should realize it is not about us. It is about God.
---catherine on 4/14/09


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Jesus said to cleanse the inside/spirit of the cup/body 1st.

You canNOT clean the INSIDE of the cup/Body W/O water.

Hopefully, this helps any you that think it is of NO importance OR consiquence to be Baptised...
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 4/14/09


Sorry, But, Baptism by water is an inside(Spirit)thing, It is the SHOWING of a GOOD conscience towards God, And W/O it there is NO HOPE of Salvation.
Don't let Satan trick you, IT IS a Necessity for ones Soul...
As soon as I went to the cross, I felt the Necessity(Urging of the Holy Ghost) to be Baptised.

With ALL the scripture you've read and still you'll find a way not too, WOW, truely these are the End times, the Baptism by water IS sound Doctrine that has been handed down since the Day's of Christ himself being Baptised by Water, THEY sure thought it to be important back then.

It's NOT a Necessity for the SAMEDAY, but it is a NECESSITY to enter the Kingdom of God!
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 4/14/09


Baptism is an outward sign of an inward grace. It is a sign that we are a part of the catholic church, forgiven by Christ dieing on the cross for our sins.
It's not the water that saves us, the water marks us as claimed by Christ. From that day on it is up to us if we want to accept that claim and make it our own.
---dave on 4/12/09


Is it worth the effort? However The Christian view on Baptism and confirmation is vastly different 1Baptism for infants is essential as it removes original sin. For an adult removes all sin including Original sin. In confirmation administered at about age 11 or 12 after 3 month instructions and understanding what the person is about to receive The Bishop confirms the person by saying Name Receive the holy spirit and is blessed with holy oil. And a light tap on the cheek. These are the visible signs of the ceremony. The spiritual signs they receive the Theological Virtues of the Holy spirit.
---MIC on 4/10/09


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Mima
Thank you for saying so.
---Bruce5656 on 4/10/09


Bruce with this statement, you became my teacher.
"Read Romans ch 6 where Paul says that while Abraham was obedient to what God told him to do - including the all important circumcision - he was not saved because he did these things but because he believed God. He dispenenses with the concept that Abraham was saved because he was cirucmcised etc with this statement: (v4)"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt." and speaks of the (v6) "blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,"

The same is true for water baptism.
---Bruce5656 on 4/8/09
---mima on 4/10/09


There is only ONE baptism...

Ephesians 4:5
"one Lord, one faith, one baptism".


John 7:38
"He who believes in me, as the scripture has said, 'Out of his heart shall flow rivers of living water.'"

The water that flowed from Jesus's side at the cross was so that we "neither thirst" of God's spirit (Revelation 7:16).
---more_excellent_way on 4/10/09


katavasia" The Baptism of John was basically the Jewish rite of Mikveh, and was never the same thing as Christian baptism.

You didn't think they were the same, did you?"

One and the same. Jesus was baptised with water. If it were not so, then Jesus was going against his own doctrine. But Jesus went a step further, he also baptised with the Holy Spirit. Most christians today stop at the water baptism and never going on the the Holy Spirit baptism. If every christian went a step further, the world would be seeing christians performing miracles greater than Jesus on a daily basis.
---Steveng on 4/9/09


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Works or Grace Part 2

Baptism means to be placed within. There are three baptisms (Heb 6:2): In Jesus (in the body) I Cor 12:13, in water (Acts 19:6) and in the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5)

Romans ch 6, is the same baptism referred to in 1 Cor 12:13, "by one Spirit are we...baptized into one body...and have been...made to drink into one Spirit."

This baptism, into the body, is the baptism by which by which we were "baptized into his death".

There is only one baptism that saves and that is when we are placed in the Christ, by the Holy Spirit, at conversion as described in I Cor 12:13.
Water baptism is an object lesson that illustrates this, not the saving baptism.
---Bruce5656 on 4/8/09


Works or grace Part 1
John,

Either we are or are not saved by something we do. Baptism, as meaningful as it may be, is something we do.

Read Romans ch 6 where Paul says that while Abraham was obedient to what God told him to do - including the all important circumcision - he was not saved because he did these things but because he believed God. He dispenenses with the concept that Abraham was saved because he was cirucmcised etc with this statement: (v4)"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt." and speaks of the (v6) "blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,"

The same is true for water baptism.
---Bruce5656 on 4/8/09


Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
It is obvious from these verses that we are buried,raised,have newness of life, are dead to sin, and are alive through Jesus Christ by our baptism. Of course faith in Jesus is the prerequisite.
---john on 4/8/09


** Let me ask you one(?) 1st and if you answer me, I'll answer you.

Was the Baptism of John of God or of Man?**

The Baptism of John was basically the Jewish rite of Mikveh, and was never the same thing as Christian baptism.

You didn't think they were the same, did you?
---katavasia on 4/8/09


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Duane: No matter how many verses you show, today's christians will not believe. This is the way of the end times. It will get to the point where even the two prophets sent by God as written in Revelation will be mocked by christians. They will scoff at these two prophets because they don't conform to any denominational "church." They will consider these prophets as fanatics as they do with any street preacher. Satan is surely deceiving today's christians where even the elect will be fooled into believing it - if it were possible. If the elect can be fooled, how much more the christians?
---Steveng on 4/7/09


Let me ask you one(?) 1st and if you answer me, I'll answer you.

Was the Baptism of John of God or of Man?

The Lord Yahshua/Jesus gave this answer along time ago,
your playing the part of the Pharisee's & Sadducee's, how sad :(

Repent, lest you continue your downfall and pray you've led none astray with your nonsense...
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 4/7/09


Let me put it to you like this, "What did the BELIEVER'S do when they came to the Lord back then?"
BAPTISED, Not by him, but his D's or John or many others that was Baptising people!

Like I said, It's beyond my understanding, How someone can talk themselves out of the truth when it comes to somethings.

I doubt if you can find me 1 verse in ALL his words, that would say Baptism is of no consequence or PURPOSE.

Wow preacher/pastor, a person who claims a name such as that should know such things & the consequence's for teaching people a lie.

Do you know how many times the importance of being Baptised is in HIS words/Bible?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 4/7/09


Being BORN of the WATER, IS being Baptised!

Until you go under and come back up, there is NO hope for YOU, because you are still flesh of the flesh, and until you show God in good conscence that you BELIEVE in his Son & words, YOU are DOOMED.

I'm a Blood bought Son of God who faithful & willfully went to the cross & the water and I answer to NO man, only the Father.

Many of you are gambling with your souls, Stop it!

Now there is no excuse, you've been told and it has been writtin in the little books & your cloak removed on this matter.

Any further err and you'll have to give an account for it on that day, so wise up, YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 4/7/09


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It IS, because the Lord said that one must born of WATER(baptised)or you won't enter the Kingdom of God, This how your Spirit is reborn(Born-Again).
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 4/6/09

Let me ask you a couple questions.

11. Is Baptism an act of SOVEREIGN GRACE performed by God or is it an act of righteousness on man's part? Matt. 3:15, Titus 3:5.
12. Were you redeemed by the precious waters of Baptism or by the precious BLOOD of Jesus Christ? I Peter 1 :18,19.
---Pastor_Herb on 4/7/09


Baptizism IS a MUST for those who are old enough to understand, and those who DON'T believe and get baptized shall be DAMNED.

---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 4/3/09

Lets look at the you refer:

Mr16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned.

It says he that don't believe shall be damned not he that is not baptized shall be damned.
---Pastor_Herb on 4/7/09


Most christians only stop at the water baptism (of John) and never go on to the baptism of the Holy Spirit. If more christian were baptised with the Holy Spirit, the world would be seeing more miracles, miracles greater than what Jesus performed. Performing miracles attests to the power of God and prove to an unbeliever that god does indeed exist.

When was the last time you saw a small child disable from birth and wished you had the power to heal the child? And if you did think about it, why didn't you? Christians today lack the faith to perform miracles. Sure, they know about God, but deny his power.
---Steveng on 4/6/09


** katavasia,

In the ancient world, baptism was a public declaration of allegiance to a particular group.**

Et reliqua.

I don't know where you got your information, because since contemporary descriptions from early centuries reveal that since Christian baptisms (following the use of the Jewish rite of Mikveh) were done in the nude, they were not done publicly.

The only pagan religion that had anything remotely resembling baptism was the taurobolium of Mithraism, and this was done with the blood of a bull--and in private.
---katavasia on 4/6/09


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Every church I ever attended schedule certain days for those who were saved to be baptized. I was baptized in a lake one time as a young boy and baptized in a swimming pool as a man. I never saw anyone baptized the same day they were saved. I suppose there could be churches where this is performed but I've never heard of them. Waiting to be baptized gives an individual time to think about why they are being baptized and the significance of the ceremony. I waited until Easter Sunday which made it a very special day for me and my brethren who were blessed that day.
---Bob on 4/6/09


"the Lord said...one must born of WATER(baptised)"

I'll never understand why, when someone's idea contradicts or is different from the plain, contextual meaning, they insist on putting their own spin on what is so plainly laid out in scripture and promote their own idea.

John 3 is a discussion about the comparison of natural childbirth - water. (We are carried in a sac of water in the womb.) and being born "from above" (literal translation) or a spiritual (second) birth.

This has nothing to do with water baptism.

Read it in context and do not apply preconceived notions of the, so called, "necessity" of water baptism and you will have its very plain meaning.
---bruce5656 on 4/6/09


I agree with Mima's views on this subject.
---Anne on 4/6/09


It IS, because the Lord said that one must born of WATER(baptised)or you won't enter the Kingdom of God, This how your Spirit is reborn(Born-Again).
And only then are you ready to build upon that which has been laid before you, without the Spirit you cannot take root in the Word of God, Nor can it take root in you.

Please Brothers & Sisters, don't harden your hearts against one another, Love one another(I know its hard sometimes,lol)...
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 4/6/09


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katavasia,

In the ancient world, baptism was a public declaration of allegiance to a particular group. The baptism of John, for example, was a "baptism of promise" that made the public declaration "I repent of my sin and when the Messiah comes, I will follow him." Acts 19, "...John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. "

The baptism of converts was a continuation of this public declaration. Common in that day and age and still relevant today.
---bruce5656 on 4/6/09


If baptism accomplishes nothing spiritually or does nothing to the soul/spirit of the baptizand (as many here actually believe), what difference does it make when it is done at all, if ever?
---katavasia on 4/6/09


So, I say, go and get baptized in the NAME of the Lord Yahshua/Jesus(Add the Father & Holy Ghost, if wanted, God knows your heart & BOTH are exceptable to him).

Why(?), someone would choose "not" to get baptized once they learned of him(Jesus)and his words, is beyond my understanding...

My Prayers are, that the Holy Ghost would convict those hearts of men/women who have chosen "not" to be baptized after they've come to the knowledge of HIS way's, Amen, and in His NAME(Yahshua/Jesus)I do pray this, and I thank you Father for your tender mercies...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 4/3/09


Baptizism IS a MUST for those who are old enough to understand, and those who DON'T believe and get baptized shall be DAMNED.

You CANNOT live in the spirit unless you are born of the water(baptized) and until then, you are of the FLESH and no one who is STILL of the flesh will be SAVED or enter the Kingdom of God.

Those are your Lord & Master's words, made simple for you to understand, believe it or not, it's up to you....
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 4/3/09


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I guess it depends on ones own heart,
I guess i was more like the Eunoch & phillip,
as soon as the Holy Ghost touched my heart and called me forward, I went to the cross and I felt the URGE to be Baptised and was, it was the same day Easter 1974, I was 12 yrs old...

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he CANNOT enter into the kingdom of God.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 4/3/09


Many Christian people believe that baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation. I do not believe this. Many times when out witnessing people tell me I'm saved but I have not been baptized. Others tell me I'm sure of my salvation I've even been baptized. I've had people travel halfway across this nation just so I would be the one to baptized them, again I think this is ridiculous but because no harm is done I go along with their wishes. I believe you are first saved and that BAPTISM should follow. However I do not believe that has to be the same day or that you have to be baptized in order to be saved.
---mima on 4/3/09


Rob, the sinners prayer is Psalm 51.

I repeated what they told me to (the group of people that asked me if I wanted to say it) But I had been reading the bible many many years PRIOR to becomming born again.

So I knew about Psalm 51. I have been using that as my sinners prayer and I think King David was right on when He said that prayer to God to repent from committing adultery and murder. Amen?
---donna8365 on 4/2/09


Just be baptized when it seems to be the right time in your particular Christian community. God bless.
---JohnnyB on 4/2/09


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and also Col 2:11-13 where baptism is linked to the circumcision of the heart, and Gal 3:26-28 talking about putting on Christ at our baptism. If Abraham told God that faith was enough and he didn't need to be circumcised, would he be in covenant with God? Just because you do not fully understand why God says to do it, doesn't mean it's not necessary, or do I also need to mention Mark 16:16?
---Daniel on 4/2/09


Wow, why would a person wanting to be a Christian not want to be baptized? Acts 2:38, the promise of forgiveness of sins and the promise of the Holy Spirit comes with baptism. Don't you know that those of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death (Romans 6)? Also look at 1 Peter 3:20ish and how our baptism is linked to the great flood.
---Daniel on 4/2/09


Donna, will you show me where the Sinner's Prayer is found in scripture? I have been searching for it for years, but still have not found it.
---Rob on 4/1/09


It would be okay to get baptized at a later time. Just as long as you get baptized after becoming saved. Water baptism is different than being baptized by the Holy Ghost. Two different things.
---Rebecca_D on 4/1/09


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I received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit one week after I said the sinners prayer. My Pastor laid hands on me, prayed in the Spirit and I began to get an utterance. However, you don't need the utterance to prove you have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Acts tells us the Spirit is given by the laying on of hands.

About 6 weeks later, I got Water Baptized.

If you truly repent, and turn from your sins, and accept Jesus into your heart as your Lord and Savior of your life, you can begin to walk with God and get these Baptisms as soon as you can. God Bless you.
---donna8365 on 4/1/09


Scripturally people were baptized immediately. If you are saved you are a candidate. Why wait? We are not told to put these kind of things off.
---john on 4/1/09


Provided you know what Christian discipleship means, yes.

It's not for nothing that the early church before Constantine required a 1-3 year catechumenate (period of instruction) before baptism for people coming from paganism.
---katavasia on 3/31/09


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