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How do you deal with a teenger with ADD and anger problems?

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Carla3939: "There is a clear understanding of when you give greater regard to some but behave a different regard towards others.

Just as the bible explains not to esteems the rich and offer a lower respect to the ''poor''"

Explain yourself concerning these posts.
---Steveng on 5/8/09


There is a clear understanding of when you give greater regard to some but behave a different regard towards others.

Just as the bible explains not to esteems the rich and offer a lower respect to the ''poor''

Salome
CarlaX
---Carla3939 on 5/8/09


Thanks for your forgiveness and understanding...I appreciate the prayers as well. I broke my foot before Easter and the first doctor did not see it on the X-rays and I have been walking around on it, sore as all get out, since then. My new doc saw it this week and is treating me for it. I have been less than gracious way too much, and have had to make apologies to many people.
---Trish9863 on 5/7/09


Trish9863: You are forgiven. I will surely pray for whatever ails you. I pray you and yours peace of mind, joy of spirit, good health and many great friends to share them with in Jesus' name.


Carla3939: There is a huge difference between a false witness and a misunderstanding. One of the worse ways to develop a one-to-one relationship is through blogs and the internet. Many people today lack people skills which, in turn, lacks a true relationship with God. Face-to-face fellowship is important. Do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," and "encourag" because living a christian life is a 24/7 lifestyle - not a once a week pep talk dished out by denominational "churches."
---Steveng on 5/7/09


Carla: I did not bear false witness...Steve and I had a discussion where I misunderstood him. He clarified something and I apologized. I am hoping he is forgiving and we can move on.

I will point out that you have never apologized to anyone on any of the blogs where I have observed you in disagreement with many.
---Trish9863 on 5/7/09




I see I'm not the only person bearing false witness, Trish needs to pipe down a little and abstain from Advice, not every one bears false witness something is obviously wrong with your opinion of brethren.

Shalom
CarlaX
---Carla3939 on 5/7/09


Steveng: I apologize for my defensiveness. I must confess to being defensive lately due to some physical pain I have been experiencing.

I am afraid I did not view our discussion as a brainstorming session, but, instead, I viewed it as a debate. I will try in the future to see your discussions more as brainstorming and less as debates. Please forgive my attitude. It was not very loving.
---Trish9863 on 5/6/09


Trish9863: "Steveg: You are mistaken. I never indicated in any way that I wanted to start such a school. You suggested I do so,"

There was no mistake about it. You mentioned a problem, I offered a suggestion. That's all it was. You do what you want with the suggestion. You can let it go in one ear and out the other. Or allow God to grow the seed of thought into reality. It's really up to you.

AS for your attitude, do you often become defensive in a conversation? Haven't you sat around with a group of people and thrown ideas out of the blue sky? I own my own business and at times would bring together people who are way smarter than I to throw around ideas or solutions to a problem. Proverbs 11:14
---Steveng on 5/6/09


Steveg: You are mistaken. I never indicated in any way that I wanted to start such a school. You suggested I do so, and made it sound like I should. I have no desire to work in special education in that way. God has not called me to spend the rest of my career in education. I will be retiring from education and moving onto work in full time mental health. That is what my Masters is in, and what I have as my second career.

I do not see a career in teaching at the college level as the equivalent as working with children in a public school. Most children with ADHD, or ADD have so many difficulties in the regular classroom that they often do not pursue college, as the classroom is a negative experience for many of them.
---Trish9863 on 5/5/09


Trish9863: "Steveng: .., you should ... starts such a school."

God has another purpose for me.

Trish9863: "You appear to see yourself as an expert on this subject."

Working with children for over 35 years, was California state certified to teach college business courses and was involved with designing the curriculum for a private business college. I own a corporation in business and real estate development.

Trish9863: "..., I am unqualified to start such a school, nor do I desire to do so. The paycut would cause me great financial harm."

There you go again - doubting the power of God. If you want to accomplish something within the will of God, He will provide you the resources.
---Steveng on 5/5/09




I would study on the internet to see what treatment is working. For instance, I read that fish oil capsules are good for some of these diseases. Food therapy is also an option. Certain poisons in readily available snacks are very bad for some conditions. (Not good for anyone really.) Websites on autism also might help you see some options available. (Because ADD is a symptom some autistic children have, I think. I am not an expert of course.)
---frances008 on 5/5/09


Steveng: Since you are such of a proponent of non-medication of students, you should be the one who starts such a school. You appear to see yourself as an expert on this subject.

I am not a special education teacher, and I have no administrative certificate. Therefore, I am unqualified to start such a school, nor do I desire to do so. The paycut would cause me great financial harm.
---Trish9863 on 5/4/09


There is an old saying in marketing, "Find a need and fill it."

You found a need, now what are you going to do about it? One suggestion is start a school for such children. Bring together the necessary christian professionals, equipment, and facilities. Financing it would be easy seeing the nature of the problem - getting grants from christian organizations and other non-profit organizations catering to such or similar needs.

Take these steps and allow the Holy Spirit to guide you.
---Steveng on 5/4/09


Steveng: Assuming all of the medical information in the article is accurate, how do you propose that I, as a public school teacher, deal effectively with the distracted, hyper kids who cannot pay attention or sit still, and help them achieve? I cannot wave a magic wand and get them saved, Spirit filled, and obedient immediately.

How do you propose a child being brought up in a home where only one parent is saved be modeled a Spirit filled obedient life?

How is a Christian kid who has a drug addicted/alcoholic parent supposed to learn healthy, Spirit controlled life?
---Trish9863 on 5/3/09


It's impossible to convince you of the reality of ADD and ADHD and the affects of drugs on a child's brain. The Holy Spirit led me to this article you will definately want to read for yourself that the space on this blog is no match. The article is entitles "ADHD and the Drugging of Americas Children" by Paul Tautges.

Of course you have set a strong foundation about your belief on this matter that no matter what I say or do, you will not change your minds. Read this article with an open mind and allow the Holy Spirit to guide you to the truth.

Praying you and yours peace of mind, joy of spirit, good health, and many great friends to share them with in Jesus' name.
---Steveng on 5/2/09


As you well know the tribulation will be a terrible time for the last generation. It is filled with pestilence and natural disasters unlike that in the history of man - having the Plagues of Exodus all rolled up into this generation. It will be unlike the world has ever experienced. How will you recognize the last generation when you are living in the last generation?

Who will protect you during these perilous times? Man or God?

It is well to cover your heart with the blood of Jesus. Read these verses, my weak christian friends, and tell me about your sickness including ADD, ADHD, ED, AUTISM cannot be healed: IIKings20:1-7, Psalms23:4, Psalm77:10-14, Psalm 91, Matthew9,20-22, Jeremiah17:14, James5:14-15, IICorinth:15-18
---Steveng on 4/26/09


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BB: "...suffering from ADD, ADHD, ED, AUTISM Counseling,classroom modification, ongoing assessment, extra support,diet etc works. Ignorance DOES not work!"

It's the ignorace of the power of God that does not work.

What will save you during the coming tribulation with all it's pestilence and plagues? Man or God.
---Steveng on 4/26/09


Steveng: Once again you bear false witness. You say that I have "fallen into Satan's trap and deny God's power." That is a lie straight from Hell.
---Trish9863 on 4/19/09


One more point I want to make. It's biblical. Jesus said before he left that we, as christians, would perform greater miracles than he did. If this is true, and it most certainly is, the world should be experiencing miracles on a daily basis to prove the glory of God. With tens of millions of christians populating the world, why do we not see these miracles? It's because the faith of today's christians is weak. They have relied on the miracles of man instead of the miracles of God - caused be denominational "churches" who have weakened the gospels to the point of apostasy. And you have fallen into Satan's trap to deny God's power.
---Steveng on 4/18/09


Steveng: We agree to disagree in this situation. May the Lord bless and keep you. In Christ. BB
---BB on 4/17/09


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Steveng: Your thinking is totally black and white, and that is a sign of your childhood traumas. Here is an example:

"you still deny the power of God."

Neither BB, nor I have denied the power of God. We believe in God's healing power. The problem is that because we believe that God can use healthcare professionals to heal, you say we deny God's power.

All throughout scripture, God's power was revealed through the people in the Bible. He used ordinary men and women to show His power and glory. Moses is a prime example. Couldn't God have brought Israel out of Egypt without Moses? I believe He could have. But, He chose to use Moses. Why not a doctor or therapist to help heal the sick and wounded?
---Trish9863 on 4/17/09


BB, Trish9863: I suppose that whatever I say, you will be skeptical. So the only recourse is to actually meet me in person to find what I'm really like. Then again, you may think that it was a set up also.

You may make up all the excuse you want and paint of picture of what you think about me, but I still strongly stand firm about all what I post and you still deny the power of God. It's no skin off my nose. I tell you the truth, but you'd rather believe in a lie. C'est le vie.

Praying you and yours peace of mind, joy of spirit, good health and many great friends to share them with in Jesus' name.
---Steveng on 4/17/09


Steveng: I did not read all of your blogs, just a few(this one) seems to me that you are still a very,very wounded(child that is speaking now) So you puffed out your adult chest and tell others that they are wrong and you are Right. A Christian counsler can be of great use. There is a saying HURT People,hurt people.(it is great to understand the hurt so one heal and have compassion) Very Christ like.have a blessed day. Trish may the Lord continue to heal and bless you and family.
---BB on 4/17/09


Steveng: Obviously you have not read the book I mentioned in my previous post. In there, you will read how a Christian psychiatrist has had to deal with the patients who have been emotionally and spiritually abused by people like you.

You obviously have no clue what is involved in psychotherapy. Furthermore, from what you share about your childhood traumas, it appears that your lack of sensitivity and empathy proves my point. IF you were truly healed by God you would be much more sensitive to others, ESPECIALLY people who have emotional problems. You border on the abusive, which indicates that you are still wounded yourself.
---Trish9863 on 4/16/09


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Trish9863: "Steveng: You have no clue what it is like to experience mental and sexual abuse as a child, nor to deal with mental illness as an adult. Therefore, you speak in ignorance with your reply to me."

It's you that's ignorant. Does a doctor need to have cancer in order to treat it? Besides, if you have read any of my earlier posts (like last year or the year before) you will read that I was abused as a child from the time I was nine till I left home at sixteen. I've experienced more in a lifetime than most people. So I DO know what I'm talking about.

Trish9863: "Try reading ..."

As a writer by trade, I have a small library of books relating to relationships, parenting, children, business, etc.
---Steveng on 4/16/09


Steveng: You have no clue what it is like to experience mental and sexual abuse as a child, nor to deal with mental illness as an adult. Therefore, you speak in ignorance with your reply to me.

My faith is no weaker than yours, and I do put on the full armor of God.

Try reading about this subject, and learn something. An excellent book is "Why Do Christians Shoot Their Wounded?" It's all about people like me being shot at by people like you.
---Trish9863 on 4/15/09


Trish9863: "BUT, that healing would not have been possible without therapy, because I had no clue what I needed to bring to Him in the first place until I had been in therapy..."

BUT? You didn't need to go to a doctor to know what to tell God. This is just an excuse for your weak faith. God already knew your problem. He not only could read your thoughts, he knows everything about you. He created you. He knows every working (or not working) part of your body.

I implore you to strengthen your faith bcause the time is coming when you'll need to put on the full armor of God for protection.

Praying you and your peace of mind, joy of spirit, good health and many great friends to share them with in Jesus' name.
---Steveng on 4/15/09


Steveng: I know many men and women of faith and their obedience is very evident. One is a woman who has breast cancer, and has had it for years now. The tumor is not shrinking as the doctors would like. She is not using chemo or radiation, because past health issues make those treatments just as dangerous as the cancer itself. Why does God not heal her of her cancer?

I firmly believe that God does heal. I have experienced His miraculous healing of deeply rooted childhood traumas and pain in my life. I give Him the praise and glory for it. BUT, that healing would not have been possible without therapy, because I had no clue what I needed to bring to Him in the first place until I had been in therapy in the first place.
---Trish9863 on 4/14/09


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I still strongly stand firm about what I posted. We live in a time where the power of God has been greatly diminished so much so that it's almost nonexistant. Sure, you have great knowledge of God, but definately deny his power. You may believe that man can accomplish what God promised to do to those who truly believe. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you are not a christian, I'm also not saying you are, just a very weak one. You just don't trust God enough to protect you.

By the way, the thorn in Paul's side is not a sickness.
---Steveng on 4/14/09


God knows every step you take before you take it. Satan knew that God would protect Jesus if he jumped from the top of the temple. God knew the spiritual strength of Job before he allowed Satan to destroy Job's life (temporarily). God knew beforehand Herod's plan and sent Joseph and Mary away.

Most christians two hundred years ago could survive the end-time tribulation. But christians today will not survive the soon to come tribulation because of their weak faith. This is why God says to put on the full armor of God - to protect you. The armor of christians today is made of paper.

Praying you and yours peace of mind, joy of spirit, good health and many great friends to share them with in Jesus" name.
---Steveng on 4/14/09


Well said, Trish. The Bible said "my strength is enough," It is God Grace,mercy and faith that we live by. Everyone has their cross to carry, regradless of the condition/situation they were healed of... there is ALWAYS something else. I work with children who are suffering from
ADD,ADHD,ED,AUTISM Counseling,classroom modification, ongoing assessment, extra support,diet etc works. Ignorance DOES not work!
---BB on 4/14/09


Steveng: You make some statements about God's healing that show ignorance of how the Lord works, even though Paul the apostle said that God did not heal him of his thorn to teach him grace and dependence on God.

I AM an educational professional and a mental health professional. I believe that God heals who He chooses and He also does not heal who He chooses. For those He does not heal, He has provided medical and mental health professionals to help them learn to live with the symptoms and to learn more about themselves and Him.

I have not been healed of my alcoholism nor my eating disorder, yet I would say that my faith in God is growing more and more each day as I learn about His love, grace and my dependence on Him.
---Trish9863 on 4/13/09


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Trish9863: "Steveng: Sorry to learn of your ignorance on this subject."

BB: "ADD is a medical condition, do some research."

You both call me ingnorant and lack research. How could you say such things without knowing me. Do you think I was born yesterday? I research anything about children, parenting, and business (I'm a technical writer and past investigative reporter). Have been doing that for over thirty years.

She isn't a medical professional. She never went to school. But medical professionals seek out this women for anything having to do with cancer. She learned everything because her husband had cancer. You wouldn't seek her out because she doesn't have a degree. What a shame.
---Steveng on 4/13/09


BB: "who [the medical community] God has bless to help in his healing us."

If God has blessed the medical community, then the medical community would be 100% perfect. The world has medications (prescribed by the doctors) that have worse adverse conditions than the sickness itself.

BB: "Again, ADD is a medical condition,..."

So were all the conditions of the people Jesus healed.
---Steveng on 4/13/09


Steveng: Sorry to learn of your ignorance on this subject. Having ADD myself, and seeing my son suffer with it, I am grateful that he has medicines available to him to help him in his studies and work.

I see plenty of children in both of my careers where their symptoms are alleviated with proper medication and therapies. Parenting is not the issue, except where ignorance is rampant and the child is blamed for something that is not their fault.
---Trish9863 on 4/11/09


Steveng: I hope that you never become ill. but then again, you will not use the medical community, who God has bless to help in his healing us. Again, ADD is a medical condition, do some research. In the 1900's until the 1980s Individuals(students, adults) who did not fit into "normal"society was locked away in mental instituion. They were not seen nor given the help they needed.
---BB on 4/11/09


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BB: "Steveng: have you or anynone ever been sick with the flu,broken/fracture bone, more serious cancer. I am Sure they have seek medical treatment. ADD is a medical problem. Yes, prayer and seeking medical help works."

I very strongly stand by what the Holy Spirit revealed to me twenty years ago as he will reveal the same today. I'm sure if Jesus could bring back the dead and heal sickness, don't you believe that a simple flu, fractured bone, or serious cancer can be healed? Jesus said that after he leaves, christians are able to do greater things that what he did. If there are so many christians in the world, why hasn't the world seen greater miracles on a daily basis? Because today's christians are weak.
---Steveng on 4/10/09


BB: "ADD is a medical problem."

ADD is not a medical problem. Kids today cannot concentrate on any one thing for more than a few minutes. It's technology that has created the problem - TVs, radio, computers, ipods, cell phones, advertising, commercials, the internet, multitasking students, et al. Children are force fed this every day. Today's children are stressed out. If you abserved what I observes you, too, can see the problem. I taught a classroom of twenty students in the lat 1970s, taught college in the early 1990s, and tutored many students in-between. I still do up to this very day. Do some research on the topic of children and technology. In fact, I'm right now writing a parenting book which includes this very topic.
---Steveng on 4/10/09


Steveng: have you or anynone ever been sick with the flu,broken/fracture bone, more serious cancer. I am Sure they have seek medical treatment. ADD is a medical problem. Yes, prayer and seeking medical help works.
---BB on 4/10/09


hi

it me posted the blog:

she is 12 turning 13 and she break things throws things refuses to do work and homework.Has fights at school and does everything to push the limits. I dont know how to displine her cause she get so angry
---Louise on 4/10/09


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Such weak cristians - depending upon the miracles of man instead of the miracles of God. If Jesus and heal people and christians have the ability to do greater miracles than Jesus, then a strong faith would heal ADD, et al. What about the women who was healed by her strong faith just by touching the hem of Jesus' clothing? The faith of today's christians are so weak they depend upon the miracles of man instead of the miracles of God. Today's christians know God, but deny his power. (God help them during the coming tribulation)
---Steveng on 4/9/09


ADD(attention deficit disorder)and a 2nd ADHD(attention deficit hyperactivity disorder)
Make sure that your child is assessed and place in a class setting that is specific to his/her needs.Where modified instructions along with extra help is given(ongoing assesment is also important) . As Trish said Therapies(psychological/medical) is extreamly important, along with a great deal of patience.(in my opinion, diet is also important) God bless you.
---BB on 4/9/09


First, we need to look at the root problem - Parents. If they trained up the child in the way of the Lord, parents wouldn't have to deal with the problems most parents go through today. Children simply lack concentration. Children today are raised in a society where the attention span is only a minute or two. At school, they go from subject within a subject to another. They watch TV where a show jumps from one scene to another every minute and the commercials last only a minute or so for three to four minutes. The music lasts two to three minutes. They also watch TV or listen to music while doing their homework.
---Steveng on 4/6/09


ADD is a medical problem and should be dealt with the help of a psychiatrist. It requires proper medication and often that along with psychotherapy can help a child function normally in school settings. Anger is often due to issues that can be brought out in therapy as well.

A good book to read it "Why Do Christians Shoot Their Wounded?" by Dwight Carlson, M.D.
---Trish9863 on 4/6/09


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We often blame ourselves and/or God for children not being "normal": Whether that is in behavior, mental capability, or physical distress. (my family has been there). Our recourse was with prayer to seek spiritual help, medical evaluation, and natural medicine. ADD and other so-called disorders has often been linked to food or mineral reactions. Things that help... Changes in diet. Getting away from aluminum cookware (we use cast iron and love it). Cutting down sugar (amazing what contains it nowadays). And having stress free family time (which may cause stress to get started). The problems with teens didn't happen overnight. Neither will the changes.
---mikefl on 4/6/09


My nephew has this and he refuses to take medicine for it. I deal with him by loving Him and hugging him and letting Him know He needs Jesus to come into his life.

I always try and ask him questions like why do you think you become so angry that you go on these rages and bang your head against the wall, what is making you do that?

He says he doesn't know and then I ask Him, do you think this is from God? he said NO he doesn't. He actually blurted out "I think it's from the devil." And I agreed with him. Then I go home and intercede for hours in the Spirit for him. It's very sad.
---donna8365 on 4/6/09


"How do you deal with a teenger with ADD and anger problems?"

By putting the anger or resentment within oneself in check and responding to the problems of the child in love. Remembering that love is a mindset, tendency and inclination, that is led by the motive to do that which is beneficial, uplifting, and edifying, and that love is always patient, kind and not selfish or demanding of it's own way.
---Josef on 4/5/09


Ephesians 6:4 Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but raise them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.
---dsda on 4/4/09


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Well, first I need to deal with myself. I need to be honest with God about what the problem really is. I have understood that personality troubles come because of not being like Jesus in love. But now there is a major assault on anyone who deals with psychiatric problems as needing God's correction, ones are saying we are being uncompassionate if we say a personality disorder is because of disorderly spirituality. If we overlook the real cause, though, this is not being compassionate. We need to get the diagnosis straight if we are to understand how to treat the problem. If MY attention and anger are destructive, I confess this and wait on God to straighten me out and restore me, and I pray this for others, with example.
---Bill_bila5659 on 4/4/09


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