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Do both the Holy Spirit and Satan put thoughts into our minds? If so, how best to know who brought the thought?

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Well I remember a comic many years ago that had a character who had a an angel on his right side that was always biffin up the devil when he let the boy make the wrong decisions it was funny but somewhat provoking.

looking back through the years I so believe it is somewhat true, I'm sure the cartoonist had a revelation some how. If many years ago I listened to the still small voice instead of listening to the emotional side that seems to push you to submission without knowing fully the word of God, I truly believe you would make the right decisions in life much easier. Just my opinion.
---Carla3939 on 4/15/09


Donna,

Listen to the word:

James 1:14, "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed."

There is no tempter there. It is my old man warring with my new man. Sure there is lots in this wicked world to tempt, but the old man in me does not need any help to be tempted.

Here is my free will: Romans 6:12, "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof."

By the grace of God and the power of the indwelling Spirit, we can choose not to let sin rule. Romans 8:2, "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."
---Bruce5656 on 4/14/09


Donna,

Here is my free will.

Read Romans 6, 7 and 8. It is all about how we have been delivered from the law of sin and death (the obligation to sin) and are make the right choice
Recon yourself dead to sin 6:11
Neither yeild your memebers v 13
"to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey," v 16
"For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwelleth no good thing:" 7:18

Who shall deliver me? Jesus did! 7:24,25
---Bruce5656 on 4/14/09


Donna,

I am not contending that there is no temptation in the world. This is a sin sick, wicked, wretched society we live in. Everywhere we turn we are accosted with images and concepts of sin. From the news to the magazines to the talk that goes on around us to the advertising that we are barraged with. Sin, sin, sin.

I am contending that Satan has no direct, internal access to the mind of a christian. He cannot read my mind nor can he somehow inject thoughts into it.

Again, the word: 1 John 5:18, "We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not, but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not."
---Bruce5656 on 4/14/09


bruce5656 on 4/8/09 The Holy Spirit in me is not going to let Satan have his way with my mind.

Bruce, if your statement is true, then where does our free will come into play?

If the Holy Spirit is not going to let satan have his way with your mind, why does the bible tell us to be transformed by the renewing of your mind? That puts the effort on us to do something.

Where does it say in Scripture that the Holy Spirit will battle with satan for us if he tries to attack our mind?

He doesn't need mind control, he uses lies.

If we're told to take every thought captive, then why doesn't it say "the Holy Spirit will take every thought captive for you?"
---donna8365 on 4/14/09




Donna,
"I agree with you, it was verbally."

Of course it was "registering" in her mind. That goes without saying. However, the question asks does Satan put thoughts into our minds? How many people who believe that Satan puts thoughts "into" their minds have a litteral conversation with him?

Clearly the question is asking if Satan can put thoughts directly into the mind - not using speech - as the Holy Spirit can.

My point about Eve's temptation was that it was external not internal so to speak.

Simarily, David's temptation was external through his eyes.
---bruce5656 on 4/8/09


Donna,
"two forces upon this earth..."
True.

"Temptation, lust, sin, etc., all came in when the fall happened..."
True.

Thus sin came into the world
True - and the pivotal point here.

Every person since is born with a sinful nature. We do not need a tempter to sin. Eph 2:3, "the lusts of our flesh...the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."

Without question there is no shortage of temptation all around us but we do not need a tempter to sin. James 1:14, "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust and enticed."
---bruce5656 on 4/8/09


Donna

Consider the Millennial Reign of Christ. Satan is in the pit for 1000 years yet there is still rebellion against Christ's rule. When Satan is finally released there are enough rebellious persons for him to raise up a great army for one final battle. 1000 years, no tempter yet men are still sinful.

Is Satan real? Certainly. Is there external temptation? Tons. Can he communicate directly with the mind of a Christian through some sort of mind control? Absolutely not. The Holy Spirit in me is not going to let Satan have his way with my mind. 1 John 4:4, "greater is he that is in you..."

1 John 5:18, "...he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not."
---bruce5656 on 4/8/09


Satan did not put thoughts "into" Eve's mind. He spoke to her verbly.
They had a litteral conversation.
---bruce5656 on 4/7/09

Bruce, When satan was speaking to her verbally, which I totally agree with you, where did Eve's thoughts register? In her mind, right?

She reasoned with him, out loud of course, and those reasonings that satan spoke to Eve were registered in her mind. So in turn, he did put thoughts into her mind. The power of suggestion and I agree with you, it was verbally.
---donna8365 on 4/8/09


Satan does not deserve any credit for David's sin.
---bruce5656 on 4/6/09

Bruce, are you sure? Because there are two forces upon this earth. The Kingdom of light which is the Holy Spirit and the Kingdom of Darkness which is satan's kingdom.

Take away satan's kingdom and take satan out of the earth, then we have no temptor. Temptation, lust, sin, etc., all came in when the fall happened and as you know, the serpent had EVERYTHING to do with it. Thus sin came into the world. Take the devil out of the world and you don't have a temptor, you only have the Holy Spirit on earth.
---donna8365 on 4/8/09




Today,Satan gets a lot of credit for something he does not do.
This is why those who rebeled against God are from the last indication are in chains.
No longer can spirit rebels influence the thinking of any person.
Today,It is not unusual if a person thinks the devil is making he/she think undesirable thoughts -the devils must live so blame can be transferred.
Satan is historically known for encouraging the idea of mixing evil into good,that is encouraging a minor rule violation for the good of all concerned while stating there is nothing to worry about and one gets hurt from doing a simple infraction of law.Many people continue this practice today.
---earl on 4/7/09


Mima:-Did you read Katavasias post? on this Blogdated 4/6/09.Does this mean you are convinceed.?Self praise is no recommendation.12 days later did they still keep the lord and which is the lord you imply.:-)
---MIC on 4/7/09


donns8365

"Satan drives people and puts thoughs into their mind like he did Eve, "Hath God really said? you shall surely die?" "

Satan did not put thoughts "into" Eve's mind. He spoke to her verbly. Genesis 3:1, "...And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"

They had a litteral conversation.
---bruce5656 on 4/7/09


for me the H.S. brings peace. While evil brings destruction & doesn't leave you alone. After you test the spirit & then peace reassures you , then you know it came from God. If you get strife & overwhelemed it's not from him.
---emma on 4/7/09


Here is an example.
I was called several times to pray for a missionary group that was going out.
Each time while praying for this group I was given the thought that this group would be involved in a big soulwinning effort. And in numbers would be big. This group on the way to the Philippines won 45 people to the Lord(on the airplanes) and thought to themselves God is doing great to save 45 people already. 12 days later on their way home the number was over 10,000 who had received the Lord Jesus Christ.
I actually had no idea anything like this would happen in and of myself, but out of my mouth kept coming words like this will be a great endeavor, the Lord will greatly bless this effort, and indeed he did!!!
---mima on 4/7/09


donna8365:

"If not, how did satan move on Judas to get him to betray Judas? How did he move on King David to commit adultery?"

James makes it clear the source of internal temptation.

James 1:14-15, "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."

David saw and continued to watch Bathsheba bathing. He lusted and acted on that lust. Satan does not deserve any credit for David's sin.

Judas' avarice got the better of him.

In either case, neither of these men were indwelt by the Spirit of God like we are today.
---bruce5656 on 4/6/09


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When I check my e-mail, often I can tell what is junk and what I can trust, just by looking at the title and who the sender claims to be. You can tell if a thought is in the Holy Spirit who is so beautifully pure and pleasant and sweet and sensitive and encouraging and enlightening. And when God gives me a thought, I need to submit myself to Him for all He means, which is better than I can understand (o: But Satan's thought will come with confusion, paranoia, worry, depression, shame and guilt, unforgiveness and hurt, ambition for what I am capable of thinking and doing on my own. But this messy stuff also can attack God's thoughts. So, I do good to hold out for how God's peace has me seeing things and doing things.
---Bill_bila5659 on 4/6/09


Well said Katavasia!
---TIMOTHY on 4/6/09


Sometimes, and I must be honest, it can be tricky. Because, God, also, I have found can be so different than what most people realizes. And God can change His mind on a dime. The best way for each believer is to allow God to teach YOU about Him. Whether it be in studying or and a close relationship with the living God. For every true believer, God wants to hear from you....Satan is a liar! Oftentimes when he is talking to you there is a lot of pressure and confusion in your mind. I always ask God to help me with him, or I on purpose will start thinking right thoughts. Satan is a person and a very powerful evil spirit, so it is impossible to have victories in this on your own.
---catherine on 4/6/09


The Holy Spirit is within you and He quickens, leads, guides, and usually uses the Word of God to do all of this. He is gentle, and convicts. He does not condemn.

Satan drives people and puts thoughs into their mind like he did Eve, "Hath God really said? you shall surely die?" "Girds your minds for action" because that is where satan attacks. There are scriptures that back up satan uses the Christian's mind to get them to believe a lie. If not, how did satan move on Judas to get him to betray Judas? How did he move on King David to commit adultery?

If you have the Living word memorized, then you are filled with TRUTH. And then you will easily recognize a lie when satan brings one your way.
---donna8365 on 4/6/09


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"Do both the Holy Spirit and Satan put thoughts into our minds?"
Every man is influenced through the power of one of two inspirational forces [Spirits if you will], received via the mindset one choses to embrace, and man will, as a conduit, manifest that influence.
"How best to know who brought the thought?"
One mindset, or thought process, will focus on Father's word, inspiring the fruits of His Spiritual regeneration within. The other will focus on the externals of this sensually based system, inspiring that which opposes those fruits. Whichever one yields oneself to obey, becomes ones master, or the controlling influence of ones life."
---joseph on 4/6/09


I think too often either or both are given credit for what is merely our own mind thinking.
---katavasia on 4/6/09


Is the thoughts, Good or Evil? That should tell you, who is trying to put them there. The Devil will always try to tempt us. But, Praise God, satan always has to flee from the presence of The Holy Spirit!
---Ruby7969 on 4/6/09


There is absolutely no scriptural evidence that Satan has access to the Christian's mind like this. To the contrary:

1 John 4:4, "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world."

1 John 5:18, "We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not, but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not."
---bruce5656 on 4/5/09


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