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Who Are God's Chosen People

This question was discussed in my small group. What does the biblical reference to "God's Chosen People" mean to those who are not "chosen"? How are the "non-chosen" set apart? Any ideas?

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God chooses the obedient, these are God's Chosen People: the refused are the disobedient, these are Not Chosen by God. Therefore, if you desire God to choose you, then obey him: and if you desire God Not to choose you, then disobey him. For he has made a heaven and also he has made a hell depending upon which category you follow: God Christ Jesus, or some other.
---Eloy on 11/22/09


Trav, the answer to your questions is simple. To the one's not chosen will mean nothing since the none chosen don't believe in God anyway.
---MarkV. on 11/20/09

Well it wasn't my blog question...but, I agree with you,sounds right as far as I know. GOD can do what he wants too. I concede personally. Many can not.

Churches teach all will be resurrected. Scripture/GOD says many will not. Who is right?
GOD for you and me.

I'll take the scriptures any day of the week over the puffed up, foolish, non scriptural connecting doctrines and preacher/teachers of the day. They truly believe....as they've been taught.
They just never ask the "only" teacher or search for themselves. Sad state of the times.
---Trav on 11/22/09


"The chosen of God are those that receive the seed, the Word of God and bear fruit."
Paul9594 on 10/29/09

Absolutely!,
Matthew 12:48-50: "But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."
---Nana on 11/21/09


MarkV ... But if they don't beleive in God, how can they hate God, as you've said previously, and how can they be in disobedience to God and so worthy of punishment?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/20/09


Trav, the answer to your questions is simple. Here is your questions:

"What does the biblical reference to "God's Chosen People" mean to those who are not "chosen"? How are the "non-chosen" set apart? Any ideas? "

Here is the answer to the first question, "Nothing." To the second "by not been chosen"
How is that for an answer? To the one's not chosen will mean nothing since the none chosen don't believe in God anyway. They are set apart by the election of God. In their case they were not elected, so not chosen.
---MarkV. on 11/20/09




...false Doctrines that is imagined in the minds of believers.
Those that follow have the mark of Cain/beast
---exzucuh on 11/3/09

Careful, when digging a nonbiblically supported mark/pit/punishment you may fall in yourself. Proverbs 26:27
Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein: and he that rolleth a stone, it will return upon him.
Consider Everlasting. 91 times found. Or For-ever. Genesis 17:7
And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, to thy seed after thee.
Psalm 105:10
confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, to Israel for an everlasting covenant:
---Trav on 11/20/09


Revelation 14:9-10 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation, and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

THe beast is carnal and worldly Ideology
the image is false Doctrines that is imagined in the minds of believers. Those that follow have the mark of Cain/beast
---exzucuh on 11/3/09


What does the biblical reference to "God's Chosen People" mean to those who are not "chosen"? How are the "non-chosen" set apart? Any ideas? .....BLOG QUESTION.

Chosen in scripture:
Deuteronomy 26:18
the LORD hath avouched thee this day to be his PECULIAR people,....
Deuteronomy 14:2
For thou art an holy people unto LORD thy God, the LORD hath chosen thee to be a PECULIAR people unto himself, above all nations upon earth.
1.Ask why?
2.Search Marriage too,divorce of and remarriage too. End up at Heb8:8 showing both Houses consisting of 13 nations.
---Trav on 11/2/09
---Trav on 11/3/09


Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The law or Judaism cannot save only by Jesus christ is Salvation so it does not matter if you are Jew or Gentile you can only be God's people through his Son Jesus.
---exzucuh on 11/2/09


There are no chosen people outside of those who follow Jesus Christ, all are condemned to hell.
1 Peter 2:7-10 .... But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a PECULIAR people,......
---exzucuh on 11/1/09
balance with following witnesses.
Psalm 111:9
He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant FOR-EVER: holy and reverend his name.
Psalm 135:4
For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, Israel his PECULIAR treasure.

Deuteronomy 26:18
the LORD hath avouched thee this day to be his PECULIAR people,....
Deuteronomy 14:2
For thou art an holy people unto LORD thy God, the LORD hath chosen thee to be a PECULIAR people unto himself, above all nations upon earth.
---Trav on 11/2/09




There are no chosen people outside of those who follow Jesus Christ, all are condemned to hell.
1 Peter 2:7-10 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people, that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
---exzucuh on 11/1/09


Even so in beginning of New (Covenant) that same name is beginning to be applied to one Man, to Victorious One, to Jesus Christ, the Prince of God.
---MarkV. on 10/30/09

We could work hard to find cracks...but, context is overwhelming. Many say one...scripture says many.

Jeremiah 3:14
Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD, for I am married unto you: I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:
Deuteronomy 7:7
The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people, for ye were the fewest of all people:
You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.
Amos 3:1-3
---Trav on 10/30/09


Trav, in Matthew 2:1- 15, God warned Joseph in advance of the slaughter, "Behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, "Arise, take the young child and His mother, flee to Egypt, and stay there until I bring you word" So the family depart for Egypt. The next sentence after Matt. 2:14 in it you will find prophetic implications. Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, Matthew wrote that Joseph, Mary, and Jesus remained in Egypt "until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet saying, "Out of Egypt have I called my son" Matthew is quoting Hosea 11:1 which, in its historical context,
---MarkV. on 10/30/09


Trav 2 continue: In the historical context it refers to the nation of Israel being called out of Egypt in the time of Moses. Yet here the very first Gospel writer picks up this text and declares it "fulfilled" in Jesus Christ! Matthew is beginning to reveal a principle he develops throught his book. Paul also taught the same principles. Remember the first time "Israel" is used in Scripture? It was a spiritual name given to one man, to Jacob. That name had to do with Jacob's spiritual victory. It meant "Prince with God" Even so in the beginning of the New Testament that same name is beginning to be applied to one Man, to the Victorious One, to Jesus Christ, the Prince of God.
---MarkV. on 10/30/09


He scattered the tribes for there sin and disobedince, .. Revelation 2:9 3:9 speaks of those so-called Jews and GOD calls them the synagogue of satan. He calls them liars.
---LOL on 10/28/09

Lots o Luck...explaining the obvious around here. We were/are all so indoctrinated that the truth looks like a scary lie to most. There are a few....that may have guessed....they are this people that cannot be found. ha.
Psalm 135:4
For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.

Hosea2:23 I will sow her unto me in the earth, I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy, I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people, and they shall say, Thou art my God.
---Trav on 10/30/09


From your saviors lips:
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself unto him.
You MAY keep JUST the core of our covenant the 10 commandments with faith in Christ. But do not BREAK AND TEACH, even the least of the commandments (Matthew 5:19)
Mat 7:22 MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?
Mat 7:23 then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
---Paul9594 on 10/29/09


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The chosen of God are those that receive the seed, the Word of God and bear fruit. But you must bear fruit of the root as evidence of the seed falling on good ground.
Bearing apostate, lawless Christianity is not of the root, Christ!
Any branch (of Christianity) that does not bear the fruit of the root, the true Christ, will be thrown into the fire.
John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered, and they gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Many Christians today abide with a false lawless Christ. The true Christ had the mindset and manner of Torah? Do you? Are you growing in this?
---Paul9594 on 10/29/09


GOD's chosen people are the Judeans (Ones from the tribe of Judah) it's by bloodline lineage, and he put curses on his chosen people so that the world would know who they were. In Duet 28:48 and Duet 28:68 and Joel 3:36 are some of the curses. Those people over there saying they are Jews couldn't be Jews, because first of all, the tribes of Israel can't be brought back over there until Christ comes back. He scattered the tribes for there sin and disobedince, and furthermore he said that the curses would be a sign and a wonder on them forever. Those people over there don't fit none of the curses in the book (Bible) Revelation 2:9 3:9 speaks of those so-called Jews and GOD calls them the synagogue of satan. He calls them liars.
---LOL on 10/28/09


miche- The Church is comprised of all true Christians, for now we are neither Jew nor Gentile, but one in Jesus Christ. Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek...for ye are all one in Christ."
---Betty on 6/5/09


Here is more for you to study
Chosen People, "Elect"
Deuteronomy 7:7, Deuteronomy 10:15
Deuteronomy 14:2, Isaiah 45:4, Isaiah 65:22 Matthew 24:24, Luke 18:7, Collosians 3:12
2 Timothy 2:10, Titus 1:1, 1 Peter 2:9
1 Peter 5:13
the circumcized
Genesis 17:10 Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:3
Colossians 2:11
the new Covenant
Jeremiah 32:31-33 Luke 22:20, 1 Corinthians 11:25, 2 Corinthians 3:6
the olive tree
Jeremiah 11:16, Hosea 14:6, Romans 11:24
Jews
NT Romans 2:28-29
Israel
OT Galatians 6:15-16
Ephesians 2:12-19
holy
Leviticus 19:2 1 Peter 1:15-16
---miche3754 on 6/3/09


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The Church is Israel
beloved of God
Deuteronomy 33:3 Collosians 3:12,1 John 3:1
children of God
Isaiah 2:2-4 Isaiah 63:8 John 1:12,John 11:52,Romans 8:14-16, John 3:1
House of God
Numbers 12:7 1 Timothy 3:15
Hebrews 3:2-6
Kingdom of priests
Exodus 19:6 1 Peter 2:9 ,Revelation 5:10
People of God, "My People"
Deuteronomy 27:9 2 Corinthians 6:16
Ephesians 4:12, Ephesians 5:2-3
Vineyard of God
Isaiah 5:3-7 Luke 20:16
Bride of God
Hosea 1:2
Ezekiel 16:32 2 Corinthians 11:2
Ephesians 5:31-32
Children of Abraham
Isaiah 41:8 Galatians 3:7-29
Galatians 4:23-31
---miche3754 on 6/3/09


Trav, my second post was not posted,
Isaiah 41:8-13 explains the Irael God was talking about. The one's He called "His servant" in verse nine He say's, "He has not cast them away" This are the elect from among the descendants of Abraham,
---Mark_V. on 6/1/

My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.
Ezekiel 34:5-7

For thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
Ezekiel 34:10-12
I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 15:23-25
---Trav on 6/1/09


Jesus Christ gave up the Jews. Matthew 21: 43 Jesus said, "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." Matthew 23:38-39 He said to them, "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate."
---Betty on 6/1/09

Now we are getting somewhere. You are right Ms Betty. This is where the other 12 nations of Israel who had lost their married name come in. Who would be released by widowhood....free to remarry. Who would have a new name.

But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 10:5-7
---Trav on 6/1/09


Trav, my second post was not posted,
Isaiah 41:8-13 explains the Irael God was talking about. The one's He called "His servant" in verse nine He say's, "He has not cast them away" This are the elect from among the descendants of Abraham, the faithful of the nation receive the honored corporate designation as the Servant of the Lord 20:3.
Yet In 42:1 He says, "Behold My Servant whom I uphold, My "elect One" in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit upon Him, etc." Here His Servant is the Messiah,
Yet Paul says, "Now to Abraham and his "Seed" were the promises made." Paul does not say and to seeds, as of many, but as of One"
---Mark_V. on 6/1/09


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Jesus Christ gave up the Jews. Matthew 21: 43 Jesus said, "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." Matthew 23:38-39 He said to them, "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate." He told them furthermore, "For I say unto you, Ye shall not see Me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord." He slammed the door shut on them.
---Betty on 6/1/09


Galatians 6:16 made up of Jewish people and Gentiles who believe in the Messiah. ---Mark_V. on 5/31/09

It is very simple when we don't complicate it with added theory's.

There are 12 nations of the complete House of Israel besides Judah. The gentiles you describe above are these people. They were aware of their Divorcement from GOD. They knew of a "redeemer" and were looking for him. Because most people do not know who or where these "Lost Sheep of the House of Israel" are......does not mean GOD doesn't.

For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
Amos 9:8-10
---Trav on 6/1/09


DOUBLETALK is not of GOD.God chose ISRAEL. the old testament is a testimony of this.While the rest of the world worship everything jews worshipped God.Jesus was a jew.Exedous mentions many times about letting my people go.over and over God speaks to his people audibily.It is through Gods people starting with abraham that salvation is offered to the world.
---tom2 on 6/1/09


Tom 2, My believe is that not all Israel is Israel. So not all of Israel is of the promise. Only the elect from Israel are chosen from the Jews. Paul in Romans made a controversial statement that all Israel would be saved" in 11:26. But he didn't mean every single Israelite. " They are not all Israel who are of Israel" Romans 9:6. "There is an Israel after the flesh" 1 Cor. 10:18 and an "Israel of God" Galatians 6:16 made up of Jewish people and Gentiles who believe in the Messiah. Paul was speaking about the "Israel of God." When he made the statement he was talking to Gentiles and says, "If by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh
---Mark_V. on 5/31/09


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--Joe:

1Peter1:2 Elect according to the Foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. According as He hath chosen us in Him 'Before The Foundation Of The World', that we should be Holy and without blame before Him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of Children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the Good Pleasure of His Will Eph.1:4-5

Those who aren't 'Chosen', are unable to comprehend the Light of Truth in the Spirit of what it means to be "God's Chosen People"
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/31/09


God made a convenant with jacob. His name was changed to Israel.The jews are Gods chosen people PERIOD.
---tom2 on 5/29/09

Tom....you have one thirteenth of it right as scripture says Heb 8:8 ....the other nations/House of Israel are out here somewhere....with the laws in their heart and mind and bearing over 70 other marks mentioned in scripture.

Although for most doctrinals ....they'll act surprized when they seen them as....in Revelations....if they see them.
---Trav on 5/30/09


tom2 states that the jews are God's chosen people, peroid.
I disagree.This is why.
Many recognized,pre hebrew,hebrew and jews in the bible are truly led by the spirit to carry on the work of God.Jesus said about the old prophets,you did whatever with them you deired.From this the jews silenced and killed their own and withdrawed from their work(extending the kingdom of God to all corners of the earth) given them.They turned inward and called their standard as God's chosen people.They exercised race superiority . They may have made a world of difference to all nations but defected from the cause.The torch of truth then must be passed on to someone who will continue his revealing truth. The gentiles willingly responded.
---earl on 5/29/09


God's chosen people are also know as his sheep (John 10:27, John 21:17 etc.), his called(Rom 1:6, Rom 8:28), his elect (Mark 13:20, Rom 8:33), his chosen.

Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth,)

Rom 9:11, and Eph. 1:4 tell us that it is not by our actions that we are called, but according to the Lord's good pleasure.

God's called are not just the Jews:
John 10:16, and Rom 9:6.
---trey on 5/29/09


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God made a convenant with jacob. His name was changed to Israel.The jews are Gods chosen people PERIOD.we as gentiles are grafted in by the blood of jesus as are all people who choose to believe in him.John 3-16 tells us that God so loved the world that he gave his son.But Gods chosen people are the Israelites and that hasn,t and can never change.
---tom2 on 5/29/09


Trav, deductive logic is what it is. It is like math. One plus one equal two is deductive logic. If you reject such logic, then we can't have a discussion. So, good day to you.
---JohnnyB on 5/15/09

Well your logic + 0 scripture = DeStructive logic of one.
Reject this? Well yeah....believe I'll pass on ur math.
Now if you want to take two scriptures or more to make the scripture witness itself.....we'll see the same thing.

This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
2 Corinthians 13:1-3
12And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him, and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.
---Trav on 5/16/09


Trav, deductive logic is what it is. It is like math. One plus one equal two is deductive logic. If you reject such logic, then we can't have a discussion. So, good day to you.
---JohnnyB on 5/15/09


johnnyb- Jesus Christ is the Saviour, but He does not save those who do not want Him or those who do not repent. He has set before us life and death, He advised us to choose life. (Deuteronomy 30:19)
---Betty on 5/14/09


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There is no other logic to it. All the best to you.
---JohnnyB on 5/13/09

Your logic....left out GODs logic.

Think I stick with his. He provides proven out witnesses. Whose writings have been around several thousand years and actually have been fulfilled.
Mine,yours..writings..already....faded away.
Where we split trails. Best of luck on trail of logic.
---Trav on 5/14/09


Trav, it is exactly what the wording says. God is the Savior of all mankind, especially of believers. If all mankind are not saved, then God is not the Savior of all mankind. There is no other logic to it. All the best to you.
---JohnnyB on 5/13/09


Old times are OLD/ancient (that was then, this is now).
when we believe in the Hebrew Messiach we become grafted into Israel, we become apart of them, not replace them.
---wayne on 5/13/09
Wayne, the grafted are still of the the same ancient Olive tree. Not every tree in the woods. Grafting does not work that way. The Old ancients you throw out are the prophets who testify that what we hear today is true or fable. Branches good study.
The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.
Jeremiah 11:15-17
---Trav on 5/13/09


Old times are OLD/ancient (that was then, this is now).

After Jesus came and did "the works of God" (John 6:28, 9:3) while suffering and dying on the cross (the "bible did not suffer or die), WE became God's chosen...

So you believe in replacememt theology. Oh but you forget, when we believe in the Hebrew Messiach we become grafted into Israel, we become apart of them, not replace them.
---wayne on 5/13/09


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In reading the different comments on whether the Jews are chosen or not, I am compelled to ask three questions.

When would God, the Creator of the universe, have chosen the Jews?

What would be the basis of His choice?
And, would God's choice be consistent with His character?

I suspect that if we were able to answer those questions definitively from the Bible, that we would know, for sure, whether God chose the Jews or not.
---Janze on 5/13/09


1 Peter 2:9
"you are a chosen RACE, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people".
1 Peter 2:10
"Once you were no people but now you are God's people,".---more_excellent_way on 5/13/09


I agree. Witnessing verses.br>1.For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
Deuteronomy 14:1-3
2. Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered, and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
Hosea 1:9-11
---Trav on 5/13/09


Old times are OLD/ancient (that was then, this is now).

After Jesus came and did "the works of God" (John 6:28, 9:3) while suffering and dying on the cross (the "bible did not suffer or die), WE became God's chosen...


Ephesians 1:4
"even as He chose us in Him".
(He chose us TO BE IN CHRIST).

1 Peter 2:9
"But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people".

1 Peter 2:10
"Once you were no people but now you are God's people,".


The Lord would be pleased if we would take notice of the NEW times/covenant.
---more_excellent_way on 5/13/09


Matthew 22:14

For many are called,
but few are chosen.
---SuzieH on 5/12/09


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According to 1 Timothy 4.10 everyone in the whole human race is chosen for salvation.
---JohnnyB on 5/12/09

Well he is the GOD of everyone. Everyone chosen doesn't seem to be the wording.

Tim 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Prophets don't exactly lay it out like this unless you know some.
---Trav on 5/12/09


According to 1 Timothy 4.10 everyone in the whole human race is chosen for salvation.
---JohnnyB on 5/12/09


Deuteronomy 6:1-8 leaves no doubt and frankly closes the discussion unless your just out to pick a fight with God.

Read it. Accept it. Believe it.
---larry on 5/9/09

Amen.

Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
Matthew 20:14-16

Psalm 135:4
4For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.
---Trav on 5/12/09


Larry and Betty,

Amen.

Mat 12:50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven,
the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

And remembering:

Mark11:26
But if ye do not forgive,
neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

James2:24
...how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Mat7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him,
because we keep his commandments,
and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
---SuzieH on 5/12/09


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Christians are God's chosen people.
---Betty on 5/11/09


So clear...hard to see. Unheard but spoken very loud. Not hid but seldom found. Treasure in a field.
Isa54:4
Fear not, for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded, for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy WIDOWHOOD any more.

5For thy Maker is thine HUSBAND, the LORD of hosts is his name, and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel, The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

6For the LORD hath called thee as a woman FORSAKEN and grieved in spirit, and a WIFE of youth, when thou wast REFUSED, saith thy God.

7For a small moment have I FORSAKEN thee, but with great mercies will I GATHER thee. <
---Trav on 5/11/09


Hosea 2:23
"...and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy,
and I will say to them which were not my people,
Thou art my people, and they shall say, Thou art my God.

Rom 9:24-26
Even us, whom he hath called,
not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

As he saith also in Osee,
I will call them my people,
which were not my people,
and her beloved, which was not beloved.

And it shall come to pass,
that in the place where it was said unto them,
Ye are not my people,
there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Galatians 6:3-9, 29
---SuzieH on 5/10/09


The chosen are the people of Israel, anyone else who accepts the God of Israel through his son Jesus Christ is redeemed. Let the redeemed of the Lord say so.

Deuteronomy 6:7-8 leaves no doubt and frankly closes the discussion unless your just out to pick a fight with God.

Read it. Accept it. Believe it.
---larry on 5/9/09


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Simply put, when you truly obey Christ, God chooses you: and when you disobey Christ, God refuses you. lit.Hb: "And at the end of days, that Cain brought of the fruit of the earth, an offering to YHWH. And Abel, he brought also of the firstlings of his sheep and of the best of them, and YHWH looked to Abel and to his offering, but to Cain and to his offering, looked he not. And Cain was enraged exceedingly, and skulked. Then YHWH said to Cain, Why are you angry, and why skulk you? Will not if you give well, receive? but if however grudging, then your sin lies open in the door. Blessed the nation whose God YHWH. Note, the eye of YHWH upon them that regard him, upon them that hope in his mercy." Genesis 4:3-7+ Psalm 33:12,18.
---Eloy on 5/9/09


The Jews reverence the Talmud more than the Bible. The Talmud teaches the Jews and their descendants to hate Jesus Christ. It is a very blasphemous book. They reject Jesus Christ, therefore He rejects them unless they repent. Those who do God's will, love Him and His Son, and claim Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior are God's chosen people. They are the true Christians.
---Betty on 5/8/09


....strong zionists and who ghot butcherd by Nazis (sorry forgot their name. i do not think one needs to look furthjer than this.
---Andy on 4/15/09


Wikepedi...... The first appearance of the symbol in Jewish scriptures was in oriental Kabbalistic writings, so it is possible that it was an alteration of the pentagram under Arab influence.

Prepare your defense for those you worship in fear other than the Lord,Andy when you come before the Lord...they did not accept then or now. Not all that say they are....are. Rev 2:9, 3:9.

And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom, and to depart from evil is understanding.
Job 28:27
---Trav on 4/15/09


the star of David was actually the symbol of a German Jewish noble familie who where strong zionists and who ghot butcherd by Nazis (sorry forgot their name. i do not think one needs to look furthjer than this.
---Andy on 4/15/09


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Talmud is not the Jewish holy book, it is not their Scripture, not read in synagogue services. It is a book of commentaries and legal opinions on Scripture and the Mishna. God bless.
---JohnnyB on 4/10/09 Talmudic followings,study/teaching groups are easy enough to research online. Tal-mud not for GOYIM eyes. Animal types as they refer to the Non Jews. It's Anti-Christ, anti-moral teachings against our lord that is objectionable. You are either for Christ or against...johnny b good or badd. Hot or cold.
Some that worship those misunderstood as "chosen" might regroup a little if they had additional "knowledge"
.....scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
Proverbs 1:21-23
---Trav on 4/14/09


.....don't believe they have any more special place in God's Kingdom than anyone else (they did have but they blew it)
Do you know that the "Star of David" symbol on their flag is unknown as to it's origin?
---1st_cliff on 4/11/09
Cliff, u have eyes and ears and stand on you own.
They were Christ own...they would have him not. He tells plainly who he came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Who were the other 12 nations of Israel....that everyone has been taught to disregard.

The Tal-mud is evidence of the fall of the nation of Judah.....even though not all of them that call theirselves jews are.
Star of David....some think it was a seal of Solomon as it has been found dated to his time.
---trav on 4/13/09


1st Cliff, where do you get Bobby3 from? Anyway, regarding the Talmud, I have said what I have said. Whether we agree or not doesn't matter. God bless.
---JohnnyB on 4/13/09


Bobby3, What do you mean not their holy book? Talmud
With 613 laws that take them from the cradle to the grave...not their spiritual guide????
Incidentally the Babylonian Talmud is regarded more highly than the Jerusalem Talmud!
---1st_cliff on 4/11/09


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Bobby3, "Out of context???"
The whole Talmud/Torah (some oral) Mishnah and Gammara are out of step with reality!
I'm not anti-Semitic just don't believe they have any more special place in God's Kingdom than anyone else (they did have but they blew it)
Do you know that the "Star of David" symbol on their flag is unknown as to it's origin?
---1st_cliff on 4/11/09


The Talmud is not the Jewish holy book, it is not their Scripture, and it is not read in synagogue services. It is a book of commentaries and legal opinions on Scripture and the Mishna. God bless.
---JohnnyB on 4/10/09


1st Cliff, have you actually read the Talmud, or only parts of it out of context? God bless.
---JohnnyB on 4/10/09


Christians seem to believe that Jews follow the OT as their spiritual guide....would that this was so!
Their "holy book" is the "Talmud" which is on a par with the Quran (if not worse).IMHO
No God's people follow His word!
True Christians are His "CHOSEN".
---1st_cliff on 4/10/09


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In Acts 2:17, The Lord told us what He will do in "the last days" of the church age.

God has already poured out His spirit in the O.T. on the House of Israel, now it is POURED (with LIVING water) out on ALL flesh (Gentiles).

Ezekiel 39:29
"when I pour out my Spirit upon the house of Israel".

Joel 2:28
"And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit on all flesh".

In John 7:39, God's spirit was "GIVEN", but the last of the "last days" (end times) is when we realize/understand that it must be POURED out in order for us to receive eternal life.
---more_excellent_way on 4/10/09


The water that flowed from Christ's side at the cross represents the baptism we need so that we "neither thirst" (Revelation 7:16, Acts 1:5, John 7:38, Ephesians 4:5).

1 John 5:6
"This is he who came by water and blood".

Although He chose us to have salvation available, it is only those who base their relationship/devotion on the fact that THEY CHOOSE HIM who will be able to receive His spirit. Those who choose "the bible" instead of The Lord will not be able to "enter by THE DOOR" (John 10:1 and 9).

Is God YOUR "chosen"?.
---more_excellent_way on 4/10/09


Trav, if you want to continue believing that British Israel nonsense, go right ahead. No one is stopping you. Blessings.
---JohnnyB on 4/9/09


It is paradoxical that Christians believe that the Jews are God's chosen people and at the same time believe that they are going to hell because they are not Christians. I have never figured that out. God bless.
---JohnnyB on 4/7/09
I never could either....until GOD placed a man in my work path. This studied man provoked me with truths such as. It is Israel that GOD chose. Judah is just one thirteenth part. Where are the other parts?
I found them in scripture and in life. He came to his own...Judah. And they would have him not. So the went to the other House....of Israel. They accepted. Heb 8:8, Jer 31:31.
---Trav on 4/8/09


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Deb, it is also paradoxical that the formal logic used by us Christians was developed by pagans in ancient Greece. God bless!
---JohnnyB on 4/8/09


When logic is ignored, false teachings are believed, Johnny.
---Deb on 4/7/09


God has made of One blood All nations. God is not a prejudicial racist, for he looks upon the heart. "He came to his own, and his own received him not. But they did to him whatever things they pleased. And have violated, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain the King of glory. Therefore they are thrown into outer darkness, and the kingdom of God is taken from them, and given to a nation bringing forward the fruits of it. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, for you all are one in Christ Jesus. And if you all Christ's, then are you all Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." John 1:11+ Mat.17:12+ Acts 2:23+ Mat.8:12+ 21:43+ Gal.3:27-29.
---Eloy on 4/7/09


JohnnyB has a good explanation.
The question hinges on what these people are chosen to do and did these people [choose] to follow through or complete their mission given.The Jews failed to follow through and complete their mision their ancestors applied themselves to do.
I do not recognize anyone as being forbidden to follow through with God's request.
Becuse the Jews as a whole failed to follow the then chosen people cease to have such recognition today.
There was then and is now a 'chosen people syndrom' among some to many groups of God worshiping peoples.These people continue to believe they are doing God's will just as the Jews in the past were doing God's will when they crucified Jesus.Moses was their truth giver not Jesus.
---earl on 4/7/09


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It is paradoxical that Christians believe that the Jews are God's chosen people and at the same time believe that they are going to hell because they are not Christians. I have never figured that out. God bless.
---JohnnyB on 4/7/09


Whatever/whoever God wanted to "CHOOSE", my relationship/devotion is based on the fact that I CHOSE HIM. He foreknew/predestined those who would CHOOSE HIM so that they would receive ETERNAL LIFE by having the GUARANTEE of the INHERITANCE...

Ephesians 1:14
"which is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it".

...but many people have chosen THE BIBLE and to seek man's (pastors, churchgoers) approval instead of God's approval.

Many people want to be "accomplished scholars" (like the pharisses) instead of "sons of God".

Galatians 4:6
"And because you are sons...".
---more_excellent_way on 4/7/09


The Jewish people are God's chosen people. This fact is established because it was through the Jewish people that his son came in to the human race.
A little study will show that the Jewish people are today greatly blessed. Individually, the smartest scientists, the greatest mathematicians, the finest musicians, are mostly Jewish. And it goes on and on from there.
This nation's blessings are based on our treatment of the Jewish people. Those of us not chosen people(like myself) need to recognize that the Jewish people are the chosen people of God.
The not chosen people are set aside by the exaltation of the Jewish people by God!!!
I love the Jewish people not because they are lovable but because there are God's chosen people!!!!
---mima on 4/7/09


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