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Disciples Had A Sword

I was asked, where and when did Jesus send his disciples out with a sword?

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Luk 22:35-36 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Luk 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.
---Donna66 on 2/9/10


The sword is the word of God.
---Melva_K._Greene on 2/9/10


He did not, Jesus was saying, now I will be taken from you by the enemy and slain, so now would be your time for defending. But Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my disciples fight, that I should not be taken. You all have heard that said, Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth: but I say to you, revenge not whom bad, but if anyone strike you on the right cheek, turn to him your other. I say to you love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them hating you, and pray over them that shame you and persecute you. For whosoever will save his life will lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake will find it." John 18:36+ Matthew 5:38,39,44+ 16:25.
---Eloy on 10/28/09


Matthew (Levi) was a publican or a Jewish tax collector for the Roman government. No doubt he had to carry a sidearm (sword) To protect himself as the publicans were most hated and despised in the Jewish community, and as an aid in his collection efforts.
Peter's sword no doubt was used by him daily in his fishing business with brother Andrew. He carried it all the time and most likely carried it when he wasn't fishing.
If a person carries an arm whether it is for work or for personal protection, the weight and bulk becomes compensated by the persons body. And if they are not carrying it, the body is uncompensated and most likely they will carry it all the time because of the uncompensated feeling.
---profiteer on 10/27/09


"In John 18:10, when the officers were about to take Jesus, it says Simon Peter drew his sword, and cut off Malchus's ear."
---Annette on 5/25/09

QUESTION

What would've been your reaction had you have seen Jesus put MALCHUS'S ear back on??
---mima on 6/8/09




In John 18:10, when the officers were about to take Jesus, it says Simon Peter drew his sword, and cut off Malchus's ear.
---Annette on 5/25/09


To live by the sword and die by the sword is slightly different to having a sword, or other weapon, available just in case of an attack, or a war. Surely Jesus was saying 'Now that Satan has arrived on earth, you are going to have to fight physically as well as spiritually.'. He mentions that if the strong man of the house had been aware of the thief coming, he would have been able to stop him. He mentions that we have to be equipped for every good work. Defending your family is a good work. At first He says carry a coat and a purse, later he says 'get yourselves swords'. The sword of the spirit is a different subject. There you are talking of when you pray or when you are questioned by non-believers.
---frances008 on 5/25/09


"where and when did Jesus send his disciples out with a sword?"
He did not. They were simply told to buy one.
The only sword that one who follows the teaching of Jesus need carry is The Sword the of Spirit, the sword of truth, His Word is that Truth.
The sword of violence, in the end, accomplishes nothing, and he that would live by that sword will die by it. Mat 26:52
The sword that Jesus would have His followers 'buy'-obtain and possess- is the mental ascendency that is in the embracing of His mind, given through an empowered understanding and application of His word."
"Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind:" 1Pet. 4:1
---joseph on 5/25/09


HE never did.As a matter of fact HE told Peter to put up his sword after he cut off a guard's ear.And Jesus touched the man's ear and restored it.A creative miracle.
---shirley on 5/11/09


Donna- Matthew 26:52 Jesus told him to put the sword away because all that take the sword will perish with the sword. John 18:36 Jesus told Pilate, "My kingdom is not of this world: if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: ...."
---Betty on 5/11/09




Blessings to you, Leon!
---Donna66 on 4/30/09


Enough said on the subject Donna. Peace... :)
---Leon on 4/30/09


Leon_>>the likelyhood that Jesus would've instructed him to purchase one doesn't fit the Bible scenerio & the Lord's plan,<<



Luk 22:35-39 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

And they said, Lord, behold, here [are] two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.
---Donna66 on 4/29/09


Dear Donna: The Bible does indeed say "sword". There's no getting around that fact. But, rather than being fixated on a sword (the type of which a trained combat soldier would've used), I believe the sword mentioned was a knife/dagger. That's my point. :)

Are you sure combat swords were readily available to Jewish civilians in the suppressive Roman world of that day? Again, even though Peter may've been able to afford one, the likelyhood that Jesus would've instructed him to purchase one doesn't fit the Bible scenerio & the Lord's plan, i.e., not about shedding the blood of the enemy but having His blood shed instead...

I stand corrected, "it's not just a guy thing." :)
---Leon on 4/29/09


Leon-- You are right about a sheath (and it's not just a guy thing. I have a hunting knife that is always in a sheath unless I'm using it...which I haven't for years!).Didn't you use a sheath to carry your knife so you wouldn't get cut or anybody else accidentally?

Jesus told Peter to put his sword in it's sheath.

I wouldn't bet money that a fisherman wouldn't own a sword, if he could afford one. Jesus instructed his men to buy a sword, so obviously such weapons were available to civilians. He may not have been an expert swordsman... but he was no adolescent, and he had property to protect.
---Donna66 on 4/28/09


Donna: A sheath is a case or covering for which to put away one's cutlery, i.e., knife, dagger, sword. I kept my trusty knife in a "sheath" when I was a Boy Scout. It's a guy thing! :)

Remember, Peter was a fisherman -- not a trained combat soldier. He lacked the skill to effectively use such a weapon. Putting a warrior's sword in Peter's hands would likely have been as dangerous as placing a loaded gun in the hands of an adolescent.
---Leon on 4/28/09


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Jhn 18:10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.

Jhn 18:11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?

The sheath is what Peter placed his sword in to carry it safely.
---Donna66 on 4/27/09


He didn't. They chose their own paths sometimes. Didn't Jesus make Peter put that sword back?
---Betty on 4/27/09


Jesus was implying that tyhey would be continuously on the road and so they needed tprotection agains robbers and thieves (mind you the roads where much less safe as today.
---Andy on 4/20/09


Jesus told the disciples to buy swords at the last supper because He knew He would no longer be there and they would be unprotected... until they were "converted" through the Holy Spirit, at Pentecost.

Christians seem to think dying at someone elses hand is required to be Christian. This is just not true. I know I haven't found anything in the Bible saying self-defense or defending the life of another is a sin.

To die for Christ is gain... yet to die for no reason is foolishness. To die in defense of someone else is to die for Christ. But, in the case of Peter, Jesus only stopped Peter from "killing" Malchus.

Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
---BruceB on 4/19/09


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Here's the context.
Before His crucifixion, he was obviously preparing them to function after His death.

Luk 22:35-39 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

And they said, Lord, behold, here [are] two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

---Donna66 on 4/18/09


Leon- Peter was wrong to attck Malchus, for he still did not understand Jesus HAD to go to the cross, HAD to die for man's salvation. He wanted to defend his Master...but could not have been allowed to disrupt God's plan. Jesus showed mercy, as usual, to Malchus and healed him. Obviously this was the wrong time to use a sword!

BUT I don't think Jesus would have instructed Peter to buy a sword if He didn't want Peter to use it EVER!
---Donna66 on 4/18/09


Yes, Jesus told the disciple(s) to "buy one" , but, after that where & when did he SEND them out with a sword? That's the real question. :)

Also, WHY did Jesus tell them to buy "one"? How many did they have? Were they knives/daggers or military swords? (Lk. 22:37-38)

Jesus didn't tell Peter to attack Malchus. He acted on his own & would've severed more than Malchus' ear if he'd used a soldiers sword.

But, in the midst of Peter's wrecklessness, Jesus did His last miracle before being crucified. Jesus "interestingly" took time to show compassion & healed a ("one") enemy.

God's will be done in all things! (Mat. 6:9-13, Lk. 11:2-4)
---Leon on 4/18/09


**The discussion had to do with whether one should always approach one's enemies with humility and a spirit of negotiation.

I don't think this approach is necessarily more Christian than with a show of force.**

I would like to know more of the context in which this was brought up.

Is it talking about international diplomacy?

Or were you talking about the recent foiled piracy attempts? The only thing some people understand is force, they construe non-violence as weakness and cowardice.
---katavasia on 4/18/09


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The PROVERBIAL "SWORD of truth" is often necessary to DEFEND anything that is true.

The Godly person should not clothe themselves with a wordly "mantle", but they should ATTAIN/learn/possess ("buy") Godly understanding,...but this is not possible without learning to have the discerning sword of a Godly character (learning to obey God's SPIRIT instead of obeying what is read/understood in the bible).

No violence or ultimatums should ever be used in spreading the gospel.
---more_excellent_way on 4/18/09


--Donna66:

Donna, To every thing there's a season, and a time to every purpose under Heaven. A time to Kill, and a time to Heal :Eccl.3:1,3

The interesting application of Luke 22:35-36 in regards to your revised question is that the Lord sent the disciples out first with nothing so they would learn and come into the Faith & Wisdom needed to Trust in & rightly apply the Knowledge of God's Word in its proper season.

Sister, You're Absolutely Right! It's not necessarily more Christian to ALWAYS approach an enemy in any one certain way.

As Children of God our 'Show of Force' is the "Heaps of Fiery Coals" upon our enemies do to diligently abiding to the seasons & calling of the Knowledge of God's Word.
---Shawn_M.T. on 4/18/09


I find this interesting. In Luke 22: 35 & 36, Jesus states, "When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye anything?" and then, "But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it and likewise his scrip, and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.":)
---jody on 4/17/09


I am not immediately aware of any verse that says Jesus sent anyone with a sword (very often, people just "draw conclusions" in order to act like "master scholar",...PRIDE).

We shouldn't live by the words that HAVE PROCEEDED 2,000 years ago from God's mouth, but when we each have the DISCERNING "sword" of a Godly character (clearly discerning between good/evil, right/wrong), God will be able to teach us more about His WILL/wishes/desires...

Ephesians 6:17
"sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God".

...so that OUR SPIRIT will be compatible with HIS...

Romans 8:16
"it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God".
---more_excellent_way on 4/17/09


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Yes, Katavasia, that's it.

The discussion had to do with whether one should always approach one's enemies with humility and a spirit of negotiation.

I don't think this approach is necessarily more Christian than with a show of force.

I'd like to hear what others think.
---Donna66 on 4/17/09


Maybe Luke 22:36:

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
---katavasia on 4/17/09


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