Having A Form Of Godliness
What is the "denying the power" spoken of in this Scripture. Second Timothy 3:5, "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." I believe I have a brand new word of knowledge concerning this. But first let us hear your opinions.
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---mima on 4/20/09
Helpful Blog Vote (8)
Agree, Kathr is right on...
---duane on 11/19/10|
kathr4453 is right.
1 Corinthians 1:18
"For the preaching of the cross is......the power of God."
Rom1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation.
1Cor 2:5 "That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God"
---Haz27 on 11/19/10|
This the the great delusiion during the end times that everyone thinks they are a christian, but are not. They make others think they are a christian because they attend a denominational church for an hour a week. They have the appearance of being a chiristian, but deny that the power of God can still be used like performing miracles greater than Jesus.
Most christians have the knowledge of God, but denies the power that God can perform through christians. Today's over educated christian don't believe they can have power greater than Jesus. They don't believe that prophets, who are the mouthpiece of God, exists today.
---Steveng on 11/18/10|
Wonderful! Knowledge from God is wonderful. Here is what I have: Unbelievers, some, may appear to be so good, so Christianity, on the outside, by words, or deeds. However, inside there is no living God and the power therein.
---catherine on 11/18/10|
To me "denying the power", is Lack of faith. There are many promises in God's word that people know about but don't trust. God wants us to have faith in him to provide all our needs. When the apostles were sent out Jesus told them not to take any provisions, They were truely walking by faith. Also in Acts, it talks about the first church where they sold all their belongings and gave it to the church where it was distributed as needed. Have you ever considered trusting God (the great physian) to heal you, before, instead of after seeking a Dr's assistance. God wants us to seek, and trust in his power, for all our needs. "Without Faith it is impossible to please God"
---Art on 11/18/10|
I beleave Christs death Bestoed and "Enhanced" God's power in man Giving us the power, to be most perfect, useing free will to perfect our mind, body, soul. In turn God grants us the power to save lives, heal sick, move mountians, ect...
---Thomas on 9/10/09|
---Donna66's answer to this question is very impressive,insightful and with deep understanding.
---mima on 7/28/09|
There are many good, generous and upstanding people who may think of themselves as Christians or followers of Christ. They try daily to be righteous. But they aren't "godly".
"Godliness" (having attributes like God) can come from only one source...GOD. ". No man has it within himself to be godly "Any man who thinks he is "godly" and takes credit for it, is "denying the power thereof" and he is far from godly.
---Donna66 on 7/26/09|
Many do not apply the only name that saves us in all areas. See Matthew 7:19-27. Many did great works in the Lord Jesus name but failed to obey his word! We are to do all in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ-Col3:17,Acts4:12,Gal3:27,Matt28,18.To include Baptism.Believe and obey by doing it in his name alone-Mark 16:16/Romans6:4
---steveo on 7/22/09|
Denying the power of Jesus Christ. The outward appearance,many minisries and forms of godliness are displayed but no real leading of the Holy Spirit.Asking for astrnomical sums of the money,placing many burdens on the parishioners.People are discontent. People wanting to be entertained and not make committments to Christ(born again)The preachers,deacons everyone goes along with it and think they ae doing God's work.If a real christians says anything they are put out of the church,made to feel like a stuffed shirt who is not moving with the times. God's Word never changes. It is the same always.
---Robyn on 6/9/09|
the scripture refers to having an outwards appearence to the world of being religious,while having no inward presence and life with the spirit,aka no power.
---tom2 on 6/9/09|
Hymenaeus and Alexander
Hymenaeus and Philetus
Those guys surely were of a different persuasion, it is clear in 1-2 Tim.
---Nana on 4/29/09|
The message I received while praying was that the power that was being denied is the power of conviction. And the way this power is being denied is here through activity within the church. Much of the activity in the church, maybe music, maybe expository preaching, role prayer, formalism of many kinds, many of which are practiced with good intentions but in actuality the convicting power of the Holy Spirit is pushed into the background and seldom allowed a place in the worship service!!! Question, Do you believe a quiet time of waiting would be appropriate in our church services?
---mima on 4/28/09|
'form' (appearance) of 'godliness' (reverence and respect for the Father), but 'denying' (rejecting or renouncing) the 'power' (strength power and ability that only His indwelling presence can provide, as the source) thereof.
"What is the "denying the power"?"
A failure to acknowledge or attribute the strength and ability to conform to the laws and wishes of the Father, to the source of that provision.
Example: "ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me, for 'I' am holier than thou." "The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself,..'I' am not as other men, 'I'..Etc. See Mat 23:28>Isa 65:5>Luk 18:11
---joseph on 4/26/09|
Mima, I see the same that others see with your question. It seems to suggest that you have another meaning for that passage that is different then the meaning God wanted to convey in the first place. It only has one meaning, but could have a lot of applications.
"Having a form of godliness but denying its power." here "form" refers to outward shape or appearance. Like the unbelieving Scribes and Pharisees, false teachers and their followers are concerned with mere external appearances (Matt. 23:25, Titus 1:16). Their outward form of Christianity and virtue makes them all the more dangerous. In this case verse 6 "gullible women" were easy prey for the deceitful false teachers.
---MarkV. on 4/21/09|
"...the power of God..." Romans 1:16 :)
---Leon on 4/21/09|
"...I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes..."
Forget about opinions Mima. Buy the truth! (Pv. 23:23) If your word of "knowledge" doesn't come from the Bible, it's not from God.
Yes, SusieB. It does appear Mima (like so many others) is suffering from "I" trouble.
---Leon on 4/21/09|
The person who overcomes sin and who is truely sanctified by the holy spirit, can calim to be truely righteous or Godly.
Anyone who claims to have the holy spirit must back up this claim by demonstrating the power which accompanies the anointing in the form of miracles, signs and wonders by divine authority.
Where are the people today performing the same acts of power which were being performed in the early church? There aren't any because men don't know the word, don't read the word, don't understand God's will and so don't receive the power and glorification promised by the word.
Instead, we have an image of Godliness (a counterfeit) without the authority and power of the true anointing.
---matt on 4/21/09|
Leslie~ The Holy Spirit 'smearing' Himself all over you? (That is the 1st time I've ever heard it put that way.)
Anyways, do you perform all the miracles you spoke about in your post? Tell me more about the miracles you perform on daily basis. Do you open blind eyes and raise the dead like you mentioned in your post?
---Anne on 4/21/09|
2Timothy 3:1-9 (1Corinthians 5:11-13, 1Timothy 4:1-3). This concerns those people who have some semblance of reverence towards God and, in this context, say that they are Christians, but whose actions are ungodly. To deny the power is to both shun God's working in ones life, and to reject the Lords authority. Romans 15:14, 1Corinthians 12:8, 13:2, a word of knowledge is traditionally thought to be a word concerning a future event (prophecy), a present situation, knowledge of Gods will, or of the Bible.
---Glenn on 4/20/09|
This new word of knowledge is probably new to you but not new in the sense that you're the first person to have it. People here are thinking that you are claiming to have a new revelation on this Scripture that no one has ever had.
Having a form of Godliness is exactly that. It's just a form. A bunch of religion without relationship and thus has no power.
---john on 4/20/09|
Many false prophets will appear in these end of times and deny the power of the works of Jesus Christ. Even us as believers sometimes don't walk in the power of His works on the cross. The Cross is where all the power and authority comes from. He was crucified and ascended to Heaven three days later and sitteth on the right hand of God. You cannot serve two masters at one time. If you deny Me, I will deny you to the Father. By His blood we are healed! These truths we hold to be self-evident... Shalom
---David on 4/20/09|
"I believe I have a brand new word of knowledge concerning this" usually translates to mean that you don't believe what the Word of God says. That phrase is one of the first signs that you shouldn't listen to the person. It's getting harder and harder to believe that this is the same Mima that used to talk about saving peoples' souls all the time. Now it is all about Mima.
---SusieB on 4/20/09|
Denying the Power refers to POWERLESSNESS due to lack of anointing from the Holy Spirit. Character is great and what we should strive for, but Christians also forget that Character is not the end. We must also strive for power. Character + Power = Obedience. This power comes from the Holy Spirit anointing (smearing) Himself ALL over you, so you begin to look and act like Christ. Christ said that the things He did, we would do and greater (healings, casting out demons, raising the dead, opening blind eyes, healing broken hearts, and miracles). These things can only be done through power (Holy Spirit & anointing). If we are doing these things, we are being just like Christ (what the Bible says we are to be like).
---Leslie on 4/20/09|
Lets do a Greek word study.
The word "deny" means to reject, to not accept, to refuse something offered. "Godliness" means reverence, or respect towards God. "Form" means to have a semblence or to resemble. And everyone recognizes the "dunamis" word for power.
Now back to the passage and putting them all together. Such men will resemble people who revere and respect God but will reject God's power and the power that living such a life brings.
Who these people are is not obvious. Looking for them is like separating the tares from the grain. We cannot perform this. We are to only know the "season" we are in.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/20/09|
The POWER is Christ in you. We live by the faith of HIS Power. We have no power of our own.We are strengthened in the POWER of HIS Might!
To have a form of Godliness is to be religious....and that takes no power at all...
1 Corinthians 1:18
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Those who deny the Power deny the Cross, and ALL the Cross IS, WAS and will ever be....Christ Cricified and Risen...IN YOU!!
Christ in you..the Hope of Glory!!!
---kathr4453 on 4/20/09|
Whenever I hear anyone say, "I have a new revelation," I tend to run the other way, because generally it is an old heresy that was tried and rejecdted centuries ago.
---katavasia on 4/20/09|