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Explain John Chapter 3

I just heard that John Chapter 3 is not about salvation. It's when Jesus told Nicodemus you must be born again. Is this true? Apparently the word born means bourne, to come up higher and has nothing to do about salvation - is this true?

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Corey:

No, you are reading the verse incorrectly. In the Greek, there is only one condition on each side being joined together, not two.

The verse says "born of water and the Spirit. The condition "water and Spirit" is being joined to "born".

What the verse does NOT say is "born of water and born of the Spirit".

The verse is not referring to baptism. Jesus does not tell Nicodemus "you must be baptized".
---Mark_Eaton on 6/30/09


Corey, since you have a different concept of water, what do you think happens to the flesh when a person physically gets baptized in water? What kind of power does the water have on the person's physical body? And what becomes of the flesh?
---MarkV. on 6/30/09


No, he is talking about literal water. You have to be baptized in literal water and you have to be born of the spirit. You cannot put the two together. That is why the word AND is in there. If you read down the verse will tell you what happens to someone when they are born of the spirit. Then in Acts 2:2 you will find out what the sound he is talking about is. Two very distinct things. So you must be baptized in water (real water), ***AND*** you must be filled with Gods Spirit (born of spirit) No mysteries or deep scripture searches needed. It is very clear, and for those who don't know what born of the spirit is-- Acts 2:2 will tell you what happens, and the sound that accompanies those born of the spirit.
---Corey on 6/29/09


Corey -- Nobody is saying that ALL water mentioned in the Bible is purely symbolic. That would be crazy.

Re: the question asked.
If "born" in this passage means "come up higher" the passage makes little sense. Nicodemus understood what the word meant. He asked Jesus if it meant he was to enter his mothers womb again (in order to be born again).

Some people interpret being "born of water" as relating to natural birth, which is accompanied by the expulsion of amnionic fluid. In that case it might have nothing to do with baptism.
---Donna66 on 6/29/09


Corey, What the Bible talks about is spiritual cleansing born of water and Spirit. Let me say that when God speaks about objects, it does not mean the objects have power. In Gen. the fruit was an object. It didn't have power. Yet when they ate they sinned. The only thing the fruit had was that it was good to eat. They sinned because of disobedience. The fruit did not cause their sin, their actions did. The literal water has no power either. It matters not how many times you get washed, your flesh is never cleaned. It will always be corrupt because it is flesh and it will die. Baptism is an act of obedience. The heart wants to obey the command of God. When someone cannot obey for some reason or another, it matters not concerning his salvation.
---MarkV. on 6/29/09




Alicia, you are correct in your answer. It is a spiritual cleansing that Baptism brings. But you have to remember the objects that God mentions in Scripture are not the cause of anything what soever unless God mentions they are. In Gen. concerning the fruit, it was not the fruit that brought sin, the fruit was good. It was the disobedience that brought sin. Water does not have power either, it is the act of obedience of the true believer that is in question. We are all commanded to obey. By getting baptized, we are been obedient so baptism represent's our obedience. The flesh will always be flesh, can get washed many times by water but it will always be dirty, you cannot ever clean the flesh of it's corruption with water.
---MarkV. on 6/29/09


Markv- If it does not mean literal water than why do they baptize in literal water? Seems wierd huh? Those apostles must be doing it all wrong again. And if you want to refer to the old testament, perhaps the Red Sea and the River Jordan are not literal water either? Right???????????? or perhaps Noah built a boat for fake water??
---Corey on 6/28/09


Isaiah 44
3: For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:
21: Remember these, O Jacob and Israel, for thou art my servant: I have formed thee, thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.
22: I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me, for I have redeemed thee.

V3 pairs Water and Spirit. The order is the same, the water is for the thisty and the dry, and once the conditions are right, the moistened seed gets the spirit, the Life.
"Remember", "my servant".
---Nana on 6/8/09


jesus refers to himslf in many instances as LIVING WATER.water for the thirsty spirits of the world to partake of so they will thirst no more.
---tom2 on 6/9/09


Ruben, the word and means that you have to have both. It does not mean they happen at the same time.
Every man is born of water Even Jesus.
But Jesus was the first fruits. The first to be born of Spirit.
So, once a man has been born of "water" he must then be born of Spirit... The Spirit of Jesus Christ.
So, no, they don't happen at the same time.
---miche3754 on 6/8/09




Has anyone ever thought about the fact that the "born of water" might mean born through your mother's womb?
Nicodemus even asked Jesus how could a man be born again through his mother's womb.

Is it possible that this is the water that Jesus is talking about?

Anyway,
Just a thought.
---miche3754 on 6/5/09

You already answer your own question, Nicodemus already ask Jesus about the Mother womb! Jesus would had said " No one can enter the kingdom of God without being First born of water and then being born again of spirit Clearly Jesus is speaking about one event "Born of water and Spirit"...water baptism!
---Ruben on 6/8/09


You have to remember, literal water only cleans the outside of a person but it is the inside which is unclean.
---MarkV. on 6/5/09


But yet Jesus said "Born of water and Spirit"
---Ruben on 6/8/09


If the only way to get into the kingdom of God is by being born of water and the Spirit, and being born of water means to be physically born, does that mean the children who die in the womb, either by abortion or complications, are not able to be a part of the kingdom of God?
---ALICIA on 6/5/09

I believe that since they had not already been born into this world to be corrupted that God takes them right back to him since He is where they come from in the first place.
I believe our corruption and sin begins when we come out of our mothers womb then as we grow we become corrupt. Since an infant doesn't yet know what sin is, how can they sin?
God said his kingdom would be filled even if he has to take babes from the mothers womb.
---miche3754 on 6/8/09


SusieH,
"... that the disobedient are not just?"
SusieH, that is what it is saying.
You understand what it means, "The just shall live by faith", Amen to that.

Paul said,
1 Corinthians 6:9: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived:"
Hebrews 12:13-14: "And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way, but let it rather be healed. Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:"

Understanding those Scriptures is a prerequisite to understand this one,
Hebrews 10:14: "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
---Nana on 6/7/09


Nana,

Isn't it interesting that the scripture says:

"to turn ...the disobedient to the wisdom of the just..."

Do you think that this is also saying
that the disobedient are not just? (justified)

And they are supposed to turn
from their disobedience
to become wise and just? (justified)

Rom1:17-18
For therein is
the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith:
as it is written,The just shall live by faith. (faith+works)Jm2

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven
against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men,
who hold the truth in unrighteousness,

Just saw it tonight...Thanks for the script :-)
---SuzieH on 6/7/09


Amen Nana! =)
---ALICIA on 6/6/09


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Luke 1:16: "And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God."
Luke 1:17: "And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
There is the water, symbol of the cleansing of the heart.
The heart is addressed in John 3:19-21.
Matthew 4:17: "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
Romans 10:10: "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
A clean temple makes a dwelling for the Spirit.
---Nana on 6/6/09


Miche, that is a very good point, and that could possibly be so. But here's a question regarding "born of water" meaning being physically born from a woman...If the only way to get into the kingdom of God is by being born of water and the Spirit, and being born of water means to be physically born, does that mean the children who die in the womb, either by abortion or complications, are not able to be a part of the kingdom of God?
---ALICIA on 6/5/09


---miche3754 more than just a thought the thought is very correct. Your reference to what Nicodemus said is explanatory and uncovers the true meaning of born of water. Some want to say born to the water of the word, but not so, for all are not born of the water of word, but all are born of the "water sack" of their mother's womb!!!!
---mima on 6/5/09


Has anyone ever thought about the fact that the "born of water" might mean born through your mother's womb?
Nicodemus even asked Jesus how could a man be born again through his mother's womb.
think about how every person is born into this world and puts on "flesh".
Is it possible that this is the water that Jesus is talking about?
Then when we get saved we are born anew of the Spirit.
This would mean those who are saved were born of water and Spirit.

Anyway,
Just a thought.
---miche3754 on 6/5/09


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Oh, I completely agree Mark V. Water is just water but its the washing away of the sins that makes it baptism. For example, we take a bath everyday with water, right? (I hope so! =) But it's just water. However, baptism is a physical manifestation of a spiritual cleansing. It's not effective if your heart isn't in the right place. John 3:23 says "And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized."
---ALICIA on 6/5/09


Alicia, in the passage in John 3:5 Jesus is refering not to literal water but to the need for cleansing (Ezek. 36:24-27). When water is used figuratively in the Old Testament, it habitually refers renewal or spiritual cleansing, especially when used in conjuction with "Spirit." (Num. 19:17-19, Ps. 51:9,10, Is. 32:15, 44:3-5, 55:1-3, Jer. 2:13, Joel 2:28,29). Jesus was making references to the spiritual washing or purification of the soul, accomplished by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God at the moment of salvation (Eph. 5:26, Titus 3:5) which is required for belonging to the kingdom.
You have to remember, literal water only cleans the outside of a person but it is the inside which is unclean.
---MarkV. on 6/5/09


Alicia ... What happens if there is no water available?

What happens if there is no-one else around to perform the baptism?

You seem to be saying that our salvation is dependant on physical works not only by ourselves but also by someone else.
---alan8566_of_UK on 6/5/09


ALICIA,
It is all so refreshing to hear "the Bible speaks for itself! =)"! Indeed, there are so many who hold the premise that 3,453 books on Hermeneutics, a term derived from the Pagan Greek, are neccessary.
I am sure somebody would delve into the meaning of "3,453". I could just as well had used 3,543. :-)
---Nana on 6/4/09


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Mark V, remember what John 3:5says. "Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." Acts 8:12 parallels with John 3:5. Being born of water and Spirit is baptism and, of course, John 3:5 says that is necessary to enter the Kingdom of God. But the people in Acts 8:12 were taught about the kingdom of God, believed, and were baptized. John 3:5 says baptism is necessary to enter the kingdom of God. Just a parallel that's all =) May be how I'm wording it is confusing lol. Sometimes I think and type at the same time =)
---ALICIA on 6/4/09


Alice, I was in agreement with you until you said right at the end that,
"Philip then baptized them which allowed them to enter the kingdom of God."
What allow them to enter the Kingdom of heaven is believing with true faith. Acts 8:12 does say they were baptize after believing, but does not say baptism is what allowed them to enter the kingdom of heaven.
There is many that never get baptized for many reasons, and that does not exclude them from entering the kingdom of heaven. True faith in the works of Christ on the Cross for your sins, and that God raised Him from the dead we brings salvation and eternal life.
---MarkV. on 6/4/09


Well Nana, the Bible speaks for itself! =)
---ALICIA on 6/4/09


Well done ALICIA, straight and to the point clear exposition!
---Nana on 6/3/09


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1 Peter 3:21 says "The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ"
---ALICIA on 6/3/09


Acts 8:12 says "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women." This ties in with John 3. Key points in this verse are 1) they "believed" 2)Philipe preached the kingdom of God, meaning it was something they were unfamiliar with and 3) they were baptized. John 3 says that unless you are born again of water and Spirit, you cannot enter the kingdom of God. Because the men and women believed first, Philip then baptized them which allowed them to enter the kingdom of God.
---ALICIA on 6/3/09


Alicia, I agree with you and not Batieste. You are correct. Born again has everything to do with Salvation. When the Spirit brings someone to life, that person is able to see hear the Lord, and the Spirit convicts him of sin, and he repents and commits his life to Christ, and receives the gift of salvation.
He cannot do anything of this if he is not born again. While in his lost state, he cannot see, hear, understand spiritual things and much less confess to anything since he doesn't believe his done anything wrong. He is blind to his rebellion against God. He needs to be born again of the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 6/3/09


No. It means being born again.
---Betty on 6/3/09


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I agree with Batieste. You can't have one without the other. The question of the blog is does being born again have anything to do with salvation. Being born again has EVERYTHING to do with salvation. There are certain things that must be done in order for a believer to secure his salvation. Believing alone won't bring salvation. The Bible says even the demons believe in God and tremble. So, if we take God's Word for what it says, Jesus tells Nicodemus that he must be born of water AND Spirit in order to see the kingdom of God. So, there you go. Next topic, please lol =)
---ALICIA on 6/3/09


Batieste, Jesus was telling Nicodemus he needed to be born again, Spiritually. Nicodemus did beleived Jesus was the Savior, but just believing that saves no one. What saves a person is faith, faith that you believe in the works of Christ on the Cross and that God raised Him from the dead, and that you are trusting on Him for your life.
After you commit, by obedience, get baptize in water.
The only power that water has is to clean the outside of a person. It can never change a heart towards Christ. Water baptism is symbolic as Shawn explained, "Rom.6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of Life.
---Mark_V. on 6/3/09


"Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?"
"If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"
John 3:19_20!!!!!!!!
"But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."
A "master of Israel" should know? Yes, by what he knows, or should know, from what he teaches!
1 Corinthians 15:34: "Awake to righteousness, and sin not, for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame."
Was it not the same thing as "Awake to righteousness", John's message "Make straight the way of the Lord"?

Water AND Spirit.
---Nana on 6/2/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Even if "The word born means bourne, to come up higher" it still holds the spiritual application of being the same thing as "Raised Up(higher)" into newness of Life from the dead, which is the Salvation that we now walk in, in Rom.6:4.

Rom.6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of Life.

Hope This
Clears Up Any
Confusion That May
Have Been Placed In
The Path Of A Brethren's
Spiritual Walk Of The Need
To Be Born Again In Order To
See God's Heavenly Kingdom!!!

Peace Unto You Sister & God Bless
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/2/09


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Jesus is telling you what you need to do enter heaven.to be baptized of the water, and to be baptized of the spirit which is found in Acts2:1-4
---batieste on 6/2/09

Finally someone with some sense!
---Ruben on 6/2/09


Nicodemus is acknowledging that Jesus is the Savior. for those of you that think all you need is to except god in your heart and say that you believe is enough is false thinking.

Nicodemus said, we know that you are the teacher that has come from God. Jesus said repeatedly you must be born of the water and the spirit to enter the kingdom of God.

Jesus is telling you what you need to do enter heaven.to be baptized of the water, and to be baptized of the spirit which is found in Acts2:1-4
---batieste on 6/2/09


I agree totally with what MarkV has said.
---mima on 6/1/09


Donna, what Jesus was talking about with Nicodemus was that in order to enter heaven he needed to again be born, because his first birth was in a fallen state, in the flesh. He was spiritually dead to the things of God, and in order to understand, hear, and see the things of God and be able to enter heaven, he needed another rebirth. But this one was of the Spirit. What the Bible calls regeneration. Where man's spirit comes alive again and it began's to understand, believe, see and hear the words and commands of God. While spiritually dead he could not understand what Jesus was saying.
John 3:6, "that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit"
---Mark_V. on 6/1/09


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Don't leave out John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." Matt 3:16 is when Jesus was baptized. Matt20:23 says "and he said unto them, ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with." Mark 16:16 says "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned" John 3 is soo about salvation!
---ALICIA on 5/13/09


Born again.
Nicodemus was apparently unconscious that God existed.He had no relationship with God .He did not know him as God or as a Father.His mind was untrained to the presence of his creator.
Born again is the birth of a soul -the consciousness recognizing the presence of the spirit of God inside the thinking parts of the mind and thereafter the formation of communication between the two.
---earl on 5/3/09


Jn.#3, Nicodemus was a Pharisee (member of the Jewish ruling council!)
They believed Messiah would overthrow the Roman government and set up God's Kingdom then and there and enjoy the relationship they once had with Him!
They didn't understand Jesus' assignment!
Jesus said he (Nicodemus) would not understand heavenly things.
God's Kingdom would rule from heaven,not earth,so he would take some with Him to be Kings and Priests and co-rule...cont#2
---1st_cliff on 4/25/09


Jn.#3..#2- Since humans cannot leave earth and live in heave as such,a change would need to take place.
Being born a human is fine for earth but heavenly life requires one be "re born" as a spirit creature (like the Angels) or you cannot leave this planet!
Further He said "God so loved the world..." the world He created in Eden for man,that He gave His Son to continue with His original plan. (new heaven and new earth) (renewal actually)Jesus ruling over a satan-free earth for 1,000 yrs.

No mystery!
---1st_cliff on 4/25/09


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.glenn, As stated in both passages, there are basically only 2 races in this world: those born one time from Adam- as Nicodemus was, and those born-again from Christ- as every real Christian is in John 1:13. You see, Nicodemus was a Minister of the Levitical law, and unChristianed. He knew Jesus Christ, the Maker of All, had the real power of God manifested by his works and words. Jesus told him that he MUST be born-again, else he CANNOT enter God's kingdom of heaven. In otherwords, perfect religion-keeping cannot save: but only surrendering and sacrificing the total self up to Christ where the soul's life must be replaced with Christ's life. "Now if any person have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Romans 8:9
---Eloy on 4/25/09


Eloy:
Thank you for explaining that you were replying to the blog question. The questions were neither meant in a light, nor incivil manner. Salvation is a topic in thousands of verses. Yet, if you would be so kind as to, "clearly and plainly", connect 1Corinthians 15:47-48 and John 3:3-8, it would be appreciated.
Proverbs 27:17. -Glenn
---Glenn on 4/24/09


.glenn, I have clearly and plainly replied precisely to this 1 blog asking about the meaning and requirement of the souls need to be born-again from Christ, rather then remaining born cursed from Adam, and not here have I in any way replied to any other 25 blogs as you vainly disrespect.
---Eloy on 4/24/09


Charles Finney, the great evangelist of the 19th Century, preached about going higher with the Lord. He found that if he spent "several" hours in prayer everyday and walked with the Lord 24/7 that he came closer to the Lord and that his preaching had more affect. He operated in the Holy Spirit and taught about being filled with the Holy Ghost. His preaching resulted in mass salvations everywhere he preached. He preached being born again (saved), true repentance and living a holy life. He also preached modesty in dress and those who listened changed the way they dressed to a more Christian appearance.
---SusieB on 4/23/09


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Eloy:
1) Which of the previous 25 blogs are you referring to?
2) The passage you quote is out of 1Corinthians 15 which is predominately about the resurrection of the dead (and of Christ risen), and that Christians will receive an incorruptible spiritual body. How are you particularly connecting this to salvation in John 3?
---Glenn on 4/23/09


No, that is false. Being born-again is exactly that, being born of Christ: The first man out of earth, of soil, the second man the Lord, out of heaven. Such of the soil, they also such like of soil: and such of the heaven, they also such like of heaven." I Corinthians 15:47,48.
---Eloy on 4/23/09


John 3 is predominately about Jesus. John 3:3-8 concerns salvation. Born (again) is G1080 gennao that physically, or metaphorically, means born as in birth, except in Matthew 1:20 where it is translated as conceive. (Born) again is G509 anothen which can mean from above, or again. Using it either way doesn't change the Lords intent here. 1John 4:7, 5:1, 4, 18. Since in 3:5 "enter into the kingdom of God" explains the context, it is not to be compared to the many verse that contrast the flesh nature with the spiritual nature. Don't pay much attention to sophists and gnostics, as they are usually wrong.
---Glenn on 4/22/09


Heb 6:10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
---TheSeg on 4/22/09


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Donna...Why is it required that I be "gentle" in my answers to you? Are you a child? If you knew me, you would know that I am far from shallow and that I not only hunger and thirst after righteousness, but have committed my life 100% to the Lord and seeing that those who do not know Jesus find out about Him. My answer to you regarding this question had to do with your numerous other questions and comments on these blogs. You seem naive in some of your questions and your answers. You post things that leave yourself a target for those people who would cause you harm. Perhaps someone has contacted you from one of your previous questions and is influencing you. I am referring to the one about your inheritance. Please be careful.
---SusieB on 4/22/09


Donna...Please turn off the television and stop reading all the books out there. Open the Bible and read it and let the Holy Spirit guide you. You are listening to too many false teachers.
---SusieB on 4/20/09

SusieB, in your 4/21 response you said you answered the question....I just posted what your answered. Now tell me, does this response you gave address John Chapter 3? You are critical, assume thing that are not true, and make false accusations. You are very shallow but I love you anyway. I understand you may not hunger and thirst for righteousness like I do.

Thank you everyone else for being so gentle with me....I do love you Susie (((hugggs))) but please try to be gentle in your responses. Thank you.
---donna8365 on 4/22/09


Donna:

It is certainly most correct to ask questions of more mature believers. However, you must search the Scriptures to prove their answers to be correct. Do NOT assume that everyone is correct, even if their answer sounds correct.

My counsel to everyone is to be construct a grid of scripture to go before you. Much like a screen window would look like. Each of the pieces of webbing used to weave the screen is a truth learned by studying the Scriptures. The screen will "catch" scriptural/doctrinal errors as you encounter them. Much like bank tellers learn to spot counterfeit bills by only handling real currency.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/22/09


1 Peter 1:23 for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and abiding word of God. 1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. When we are saved by grace through faith we are born again and we receive eternal life, a most precious gift freely given to us by the Father, bought and paid for with the precious blood of our Lord Jesus. To the Father and Son, be all the glory, honor, and praise!
---Bob on 4/21/09


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Donna...I will not ask forgiveness for offending someone with the truth. Anyone who has a "new revelation" about Chapter 3 of John is going against the Bible. It would help you a lot if you would find a church which is teaching true Biblical doctrine and not some "new revelation" that a man has made up. You asked the question. I answered. The typical way people who don't attend church regularly learn these false teachings is through television or books. Perhaps you did not hear these teachings of Wade Taylor in that manner. However, it does not make them true regardless of how you heard them.
---SusieB on 4/21/09


Shawn...You are right about age not being a necessary thing for wisdom. This is particularly true of elderly ministers who are teaching against the Biblical doctrines of the church of the Lord. John Chapter Three is all about salvation. Of course, we will be "higher" if we accept what it says as the truth.
---SusieB on 4/21/09


Donna, you've already received very good answers to your question, so, all I want to say is it is not only alright to ask questions as you proposed, but imperative that we test all spirits, whether they be of God or not. We are to be like the Bereans, and "search the Scriptures daily." God bless you as you seek to know the truth, and not just accept what anyone tells you.
---tommy3007 on 4/21/09


Donna,

What we have as "born again" in John 3:3 is from the greek "gennao anothen" Litteraly "born from above". In his discussion with Nicodemus is about the contrast between natural birth and spiritual rebirth.

John 3:6, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." And unless you are born of the Spirit, you cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

That taken with the whole context v v 1-21 is certainly about salvation. Read it in its context and you will see for yourself.
---Bruce5656 on 4/21/09


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In the end when the books are opened there will be 2 kinds of people, Lamb or Goat...

Chose today who's voice you will follow, that of your Shepperd's(the Lords)or that of the wind that you knoweth not from where it comes.

Deep down you know where you stand or if you are just fooling yourself, and So does he.

Who you are on the inside, no man knoweth but God, and that is who/how you are in his eyes, pray that when it is night time and dark that you still walk in the light as if it was daylight outside and remember, God knoweth ALL things, whether it be done in the light or in darkness!
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 4/21/09


--Donna8365:

Amen~Donna, That's what we've been called to in the world.

As you gather together with others in the Name of the Lord, there He shall be in your midst(Matt.18:20).

So, Continue to confess the faults of what you feel isn't True, with others and Pray one for another that we may be healed :FOR the effectual fervent Prayer of a righteous man availeth much(James 5:16).

It's always up-lifting to view others, as yourself, who are humbly & diligently endeavoring in the Word of God, for Christ sake.

God Bless
---Shawn_M.T. on 4/21/09


---Mark_Eaton on 4/21/09 THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE - yours and Shawn's made the most sense.

So it's okay to ask questions when we think someone may not be speaking truth?

SusieB, I am deeply offended that you ASSUMED I got that from watching TV and reading books. I didn't. You are very harsh with your comments - why so?

Do you have all of the truth and don't need to ask any questions? Because you sure act like it. MOD-please let this post. Thank you.
---donna8365 on 4/21/09


There are only two kinds of people in the world [1] Those who have everlasting life as a result of faith in Christ, and [2] Those who have not believed and as a result stand condemned already. They are already sentenced [condemned] and await only the execution of the sentence....To become a part of God's kingdom, one must experience a SPIRITUAL BIRTH. Note: Nicodemus needed a new heart [Ezk. 11:19]. Knowledge of heavenly things, which is the only kind of knowledge people ought to be looking for, is only possible through Him that came down from heaven.
---catherine on 4/21/09


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The Greek word transliterated "born" has two meanings, 1) as a verb to be begotten, fathered, given birth to, and 2) as a metaphor to cause to arrise, to excite.

The usage of the word in John 3:3 is a verb and not a metaphor. To be used as a metaphor there would need to be two things in comparison.

Nicodemus repeats what Jesus said and uses the word womb, indicating birth. This substantiates that the word was used to indicate birth.

I am glad to see that the Spirit has given you discernment. Only by knowing the Word can we know error when we hear/see it.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/21/09


SusieB, the bible tells us we are to test every spirit. I believe there are false prophets mixed in with true ones and this just didn't sit right with me so I came here to my bible scholar friends and asked the question, is this true?

What's wrong with asking if something is true? I don't have all of the revelations and I don't want them all. I really only know one thing, Jesus loves me this I know for the Bible tells me so.

So when I hear something I think could be false, I ask the question, what do you think? What's wrong with doing that? and I DO read and study the word of God....daily. But each one has a different calling and gift and different revelations. We need to eat the chicken and spit out the bones, amen?
---donna8365 on 4/21/09


"Buy the truth, and sell it not, also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding." (Proverbs 23:23)
---Leon on 4/21/09


I believe we agree the bible says walk without sinning.

I try and fail, I kick myself. So I try again and fail, so I spit on myself.
So I took a good look at myself and found I cant go without sinning.
God know I cant!

So now he come to me and said, now I forgive you.
So I said, why now after I have try so hard to please you.

He said, because now you know who and what I am. Now you can accept my gift to you.
He say tell them. I said tell them what, not to try to be good and go to heaven?

He said, no! To find out what and who you are!
Funny Story, Right
---TheSeg on 4/20/09


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--Donna8365:

Donna, You're Welcome! As always all Glory goes to God for your eyes seeing His Light of Truth :there's nothing more joyous & glorious to behold!!

As our relationship with the Spirit of Truth develops & deepens we find that He will guide us into all Truth :no matter who's sharing with you.

Sister, I've come across people who claimed to have been followers of the Lord for over 50 year but were still lacking in the conviction of Faith, Wisdom & Understanding I was blessed with a age 4, and I learned at a very young age, that age is no substitute for Wisdom, neither does Wisdom automatically come with age but with the Fear of the Lord :Job 28:28.

Good Day To You Sister & God Bless
---Shawn_M.T. on 4/20/09


John Chapter 3 has EVERYTHING to do with salvation, and NOTHING to do with comming up higher. What you heard is FALSE DOCTORINE. Being born again (Regeneration) is what TRUE salvation is all about. You are NOT truly saved unless you have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit - being born of water (1st birth in mothers womb), and of spirit (blood) (2nd birth in the Holy Spirit and the blood of Jesus).
---Leslie on 4/20/09


If you read on in John 3, you come to verse 16, and that seems to be aboout salvation!
---alan8566_of_UK on 4/20/09


---Shawn_M.T. on 4/20/09

Shawn, that is the MOST excellent explanation I have ever heard. Thank you so very much. It makes perfect sense to me now....I get it now...thank you so very much.

This man who said this is 83 years old, a father in the body of Christ, Wade Taylor is his name. He said there is no blood mentioned in John Chapter 3 so it's not about salvation. It was about coming up higher...makes sense, right?
---donna8365 on 4/20/09


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Donna...Please turn off the television and stop reading all the books out there. Open the Bible and read it and let the Holy Spirit guide you. You are listening to too many false teachers.
---SusieB on 4/20/09


I have never heard that interpretation ever and I have antended some strange congregations in the past.
---TIMOTHY on 4/20/09


---Donna8365:

Donna, Even if "The word born means bourne, to come up higher" it still holds the spiritual application of being the same thing as "Raised Up(higher)" into newness of Life from the dead, which is the Salvation that we now walk in, in Rom.6:4.

Rom.6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of Life.

Hope This
Clears Up Any
Confusion That May
Have Been Placed In
The Path Of Your Spiritual
Walk Of The Need To Be Born
Again In Order To See The Heavenly
Kingdom Of God Which Requires Salvation!!!

Peace Unto You Sister & God Bless
---Shawn_M.T. on 4/20/09


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