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Does Science Lack Faith

Does seeking God through science show a lack of faith? I have been reading everything I could get my hands on about quantum physics. There is such a metaphysical, spiritual aspect to it's mysteries. I feel that any path that leads me to God is good. What do you think?

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I think what you think is what you should continue thinking until you think some reason for it to be changed. :)
---Katherine on 6/20/09


Suzie: "Yet everyday we have an abundance of His miracles all around us, and within us, which we sometimes take for granted."

Indeed. God left His fingerprints on every square inch of this universe, but so very few of us take the time to notice.
---jerry6593 on 6/19/09


Jerry,

That's the one! Yes the 3D graphics are stunning.

I love science and I watch that video over and over. I am just in awe of God's miraculous power especially on such a tiny scale. It is just shocking and beautiful.

If man had been able to accomplish something so wonderful, you know it would be priced out of this world. Yet everyday we have an abundance of His miracles all around us, and within us, which we sometimes take for granted.
---SuzieH on 6/18/09


SuzieH: Isn't one of those videos the one where all these prominent scientists met at an oceanside home to discuss scientific origins? Is it the one that shows the computer graphics of the protein "machines" decoding DNA instructions and "manufacturing" new molecules from those instructions? Mindblowing, awesome video!
---jerry6593 on 6/18/09


Jim,

I think you may enjoy the DVDs: Unlocking the Mystery of Life and A Privileged Planet. These videos are put together by scientists who were once evolutionists and through amazingly unmistakable revelations in science are now convinced of Intelligent Design.

Rom 1:20
For the invisible things of Him
from the creation of the world
are clearly seen,
being understood by the things that are made,
even his eternal power and Godhead...
---SuzieH on 6/17/09




alan8566_of_uk: Steveng ... Why then are you using yuor computer and the Web to communicate with us?"

Your question has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

But if you must know, three years ago the Holy Spirit guided me here for a specific purpose. If you have read any of my posts, you would know what the Spirit has revealed to me. I never did, and still don't, care for blogs.

Besides, the computer is only a tool that I use in my work as a writer. I'm only on this blog for about an hour and a half during the week - between my daily work, nightly teaching, and during my evening meal.
---Steveng on 6/17/09


alan8566_of_uk: "Steveng ... Why then are you using yuor computer and the Web to communicate with us?"

The strongest reason I don't care for blogs is I rather seek face-to-face relationships. If you ever met me in person, you would have a completely different perspective about who I am. A person cannot develop a true personal relationship over the internet.
---Steveng on 6/17/09


True science will confirm facts about God and His creation. This will complete your faith in those specific areas. Whereas false science will only lead you to confusion, science based on man's limited knowledge, preconceived notions, and assumptions.
What I read and hear will be taken by faith.
When confirmed by another reliable source, my faith of that information increases.
When I experience it myself, my faith turns into knowledge.
By faith, I believe the Bible to be true and God to be who He is and therefore His promises will be kept. Once His promises are fulfilled, you no longer need faith in them, you will be experiencing them.
Hebrews 11:1-3, 1 Tim 6:20-21, Dan 1:3-6
---MIchael on 6/17/09


Steveng: "Your knowledge of physics will confound you as the soon to come events that is unfolding upon the world."

I certainly hope not. I view science as did Newton - as an unfolding of the Creator's design in nature. I understand that there are supernatural as well as natural forces at work in the universe. Science is not the enemy of religion, but a subset of it.

I am also a student of the Bible and its end-time prophecies. It is clear to me that events currently playing out in our world portend the imminent return of our Lord.
---jerry6593 on 6/17/09


Steveng ... Why then are you using yuor computer and the Web to communicate with us?
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/17/09




jerry6593: "Take the Global Warming hoax, for example. I've been a practicing physicist for over 40 years now,.."

Your knowledge of physics will confound you as the soon to come events that is unfolding upon the world. What will come will perplex even the most notable physicist - even Einstein and his critic Louis Essen.
---Steveng on 6/16/09


Steveng: You are so right on! The Bible makes it abundantly clear that we are not to rely on man, but rather on God. Yet many professed Christians think that man, or more specifically, technology and Big Government, has the answer to all problems. Take the Global Warming hoax, for example. I've been a practicing physicist for over 40 years now, and I'm amazed at how many government lawyers and Hollywood actors consider themselves qualified experts in things of a scientific nature.

I also find it ironic that Christians (whose bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit) would abuse their bodies with unhealthful lifestyle choices, and then turn to medical science to "save" them from their folly.
---jerry6593 on 6/12/09


Do not put your faith in what science has developed. Many people today, including a majority of christians, put most of their faith in the development of technology and medical advancements. If you're sick, man will heal you. If you are depressed, man can heal your mind. If you need to communicate, technology is the answer. Man does not need God because man has all the answers - and even christians believe this!
---Steveng on 6/11/09


JIM scripture tells us specifically that God is spirit,and that we must worship him in spirit.Also faith comes after repentence,and conviction of sin by the holy spirit.science is the acquisition of physical knowledge,and has nothing to do with the spirit.Proof of God comes through spirit.Yes God will manifest himself through signs and wonders in the physical to prove he exists,but by far its faith and the spirit.jesus on many occasions told people he healed that their faith had healed them.faith is not physical,its a spiritual manifistation of belief in something.
---tom2 on 6/10/09


Jim: You are on the right path. True science and true religion will never conflict. God has left His fingerprints all over the universe. We scientists are perhaps blessed more than others in that we get to see a few of them. All the great scientists such as Newton and Einstein saw the natural world and the science that describes it as the handiwork of God. Nature and nature's God are in complete harmony. Science is based on evidence and the substance of things. So is faith (See Heb 11:1).

To study the Bible, do what it says:

Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little:

So, study all scriptures relating to a subject.
---jerry6593 on 5/2/09


God bless you bro
You are an angel to me
Your words are a song
Stay with him, he will stay with you
Trust him with your life
---TheSeg on 4/28/09


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Jim, He may be speaking to you. He often does when you seek Him.

Jesus once told his followers:

"So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened to you.

For everyone who asks receives, he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.

Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead?
Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion?

If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"

(Luke 11:9-13)
---Donna66 on 4/28/09


"Love the Lord your God with all of your heart, mind, and soul." there is nothing wrong with studying God through science in combination with the others.
---TIMOTHY on 4/28/09


I am not seeking to "prove" the existence of God with Science. My faith has been a "yeah, whatever, I suppose it is true" type of feeling. But I tell you with all my heart, as I began to read of how our Universe is so finely tuned for life, the irreductibly complexity of even the most simple one celled organism, it quite suddenly occured to me that, "wait a minute here, there really IS something to this idea of an Intelligent Designer (ie God!) And now, I want to learn everything I can about Him through reading the Bible. As a thinking, reasoning being, I recognize that God exists, but now, my journey of faith is leading me on the path where I can feel Him in my heart! I think that He even spoke to me!
---Jim on 4/28/09


Jim, I am sure you have an mp3 player. Do an online search for a Free MP3 Audio Holy Bible and download it. I love the KJV, to me its like a song.

To a brother in the faith of Christ
God love you and keep you!
God Bless You
TheSeg
---TheSeg on 4/27/09


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Jim, more power to you. Go for it!
---JohnnyB on 4/26/09


**Not to those that believe, but, who do not, like I said, as a young man. Now I know God will not be proven, at least not by science.**

Of course you can't prove God by science.

That's like trying to prove a Beethoven symphony, or Handel oratorio, or classical sculpture by science.

All of these speak to the heart, which by the nature of such cannot be quantified by scientific methods.
---katavasia on 4/26/09


Jim--

It might help to use a more modern translations such as NIV (New Internation Version) or the NASB (New American Standard version). Books like The Living Bible or The Message are paraphrases... easy to read but not very accurate.

One thing that has helped some people, including me, is to get the Bible on CDs.
If you get the one read by Alexanser Scourby(sp?)...(he's a Shakesperian actor). It's very easy to listen to, even if it's the old KJ version . More modern versions, by other good narrators are recorded, as well. Then you turn it on and listen as if you were listening to novel being read. There are some fascinationg stories in the Bible. Don't be intimidated because it's the BIBLE.
---Donna66 on 4/26/09


When I was a young man, I always thought science would one day prove the existence of god. Like all of you, people always stop me before I finish.

Not to those that believe, but, who do not, like I said, as a young man. Now I know God will not be proven, at least not by science.

For anything that is not done by faith is sin.
Take a moment and think about this. How much sin there is, in are lives.
All the things we take as if they were given to us.

Science is under the law, and the law is not of faith: but, the man that doeth them shall live in them.

Brethren, I speak after the manner of men.
---TheSeg on 4/26/09


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Jim,that,s great.ButThe only true path is thru jesus,not quantum physics,aka knowledge.
---tom2 on 4/26/09


Jim,

I've found that having an open discussion with someone else is often very helpful. I always learn something new from sharing my habits with another person. In this case, studying the Bible.

You might want to join a Bible Study. If you can't find one in your area, ask God to help you start your own group. With his blessings, the Word will become clearer, and more "alive", to you.
---Sag on 4/23/09


Thank you all for your replies. Quantum physics mysteries, the incredible complexity of a DNA molecule, the wonderous return of life in my backyard this Spring. I see God's hand in all of these things and more. They give me hope and joy. But, I also recognize that I should study His Word in the Holy Bible. I have made several attempts to read the Bible carefully, from beginning to end. But (please forgive me Lord), I find much of it to be kind of dry.
Eventually, I would find my thoughts drifting away. Maybe I am going about reading the Bible incorrectly. Or perhaps, I should try a newer version. Any suggestions on how I should approach this?
---Jim on 4/23/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

John 14:17. The Spirit of truth which Guides us into all truth(and this includes "Sciences"), is only able to do so by our Hopes of Faith in God's Truth always being before us.

So, If there's any question about "Lack of Faith?", it should be asked IF YOU CAN'T SEE THE TRUTH OF GOD THROUGH/IN SCIENCES or anything else for that matter!!

There's a Hindu saying, "A man who hears & sees God in all things has no need of scriptures".

It's not advocating the putting away of The Holy Bibles, it's proclaiming to us to realize that the Light of the Lord(John 1:5) which shines in the darkness is all around us and our Faith can comprehend it : So Open Your Hearts!!
---Shawn_M.T. on 4/22/09


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Seeking God through science is fine. It causes you to appreciate that the natural world must have been created, not formed accidentally. The beauties of math, physics etc. show the magnificent detail with which things were created and wonderous way everything works together. Aren't you in awe at what you see!.

But if you want to know MORE about God and how you can actually KNOW Him, you need to read the Bible. The Gospel of John is an especially good place to start.Most of the Bible can't be tested scientifically, but instead it is understood in the heart.
---Donna66 on 4/22/09


Science in itself will never be able to prove or disprove God. God created the Heavens and the Earth so it is very logical that his character can be observed in his creations and through his work. Both God and Science require a certain measure of faith and that is one of the reasons that I have stayed with God, because I didn't have enough faith to follow science.
---TIMOTHY on 4/22/09


I have had several similar discussions with other folks. Their position was that everything could be explained WITHOUT God. That is total nonsense. God's creation involves all of science. And even MORE.

For example, the sciences of: Chemistry, Physics, and Biology can explain the composition of every living and non-living thing. Then come my questions. How did the planets get to be where they are? How did life come to the living things? How did some creatures know how to swim and others didn't?

The Socratic Method is great for such discussions. It always comes down to God is the AUTHOR of science and MORE too. :<)
---Augie on 4/22/09


Quantum physics helps to understand the vibrations (for lack of better word) of our spoken words, etc,.

But it's like my friend Kelly said, "We listen to the Holy Spirit, we follow His leading, we follow the Word, we pray the Word, we speak the word over our lives, and we obey our Father God when he tells us to do something."

So why do we need quantum physics?

My sheep HEAR MY voice and the voice of a stranger they will not follow. I think God shouldn't be linked to Science - get your answers in the Word of God, not science.
---donna8365 on 4/22/09


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The more question science answers, the more mysteries and puzzles turn up.

St. Paul said in Romans that the physical universe does demonstrate the some kind of deity exists.

To get beyond this the God of Christianity Who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, does require faith in divine revelation, however.
---katavasia on 4/22/09


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