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Exegesis vs Eisegesis

What is the difference between exegesis and eisegesis? Which one do you use and why?

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Elder, Some food for thought*
Jesus said" watch out that no one misleads you" , deceiving even the elect, appearing as an angel of light, wolves in sheep's clothing etc..
He's actually suggesting that a "Christian" can and does underestimate satan's methods of deception!
"I have my bible, church and prayer, how could I be deceived?" (by not taking seriously Jesus' admonition) Paganism has made so many inroads into Christendom that heeding Jesus' warnings is neigh unto impossible to separate it from the truth!
2,000 years! that's a lot to undo!
---1st_cliff on 5/23/09


Cliff, I was not meaning to say that you are a humanist.
It is how we think about things that determine how we will react to them. Many people become mental patients because thy try to correct problems with the human mind leaving Scripture teaching and direction out. There is nothing that can't be worked out using God's principles. There is a whole lot that will never change using worldly wisdom/humanism principles. The world offers a physical change when people need a physical and spiritual change. We are designed with both body and spirit. I can still rebel in my mind when my body is being punished. This results in no real change or change just for the moment.
---Elder on 5/23/09


Elder, I don't subscribe to "humanism" as a philosophy. You're erroneously labeling me a "humanist" simply because I deal with the "realities" of life and do not appear "religious"
God is very much the ruler of my life,just not the hocus pocus psychobabble of the fundamentalists who insist that one must adhere to their set of perceived dogma!
Like my way or the highway.(had my belly full of that with my last denominational membership)
I firmly believe that most "Christians" underestimate satan.
Underestimate the enemy and you will lose the battle!
---1st_cliff on 5/23/09


Cliff, humanism is evil. It is when you leave God out and are lead by the human mind. This is the simple definition. Now if you have another definition of the word I am willing to ponder it.
---Elder on 5/23/09


Elder, Of course I agree,one thing tho, you make it (humanism) sound like something evil.
To be well "grounded" we need a knowledge of many subjects,like those mentioned.
The "key' here is "BALANCE"
Altho "spirituality" can be your forte' a well rounded Christian will also be somewhat conversant in sports, politics,current events and the likes,else he is not properly balanced and viewed as fanatic!ending conversation before it begins! Agape!
---1st_cliff on 5/22/09




And of course,Catholicism!
---1st_cliff on 5/21/09

You make a good point. Catholic = universal.
Which is not found supported in scripture. Term came about during the "Nicene" period.

The priest was as many we C :
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Timothy 3:6-8
---Trav on 5/22/09


Cliff,
Bible study = Theology / "God study."
Political science,sociology,history, cultures and languages and Catholicism = humanism.
Don't you agree?

---Elder on 5/22/09


Trav, Seminary comes from the root word "semen" actually "seed bed" from which things grow!
I once was privileged to witness to the head "Father" of a Catholic Foreign Missions Seminary!I asked him about the curriculum ,He said "bible?" Oh we have a course once a week for an hour, but it's optional" We study Political science,sociology,history, cultures and languages!
And of course,Catholicism!
---1st_cliff on 5/21/09


Cliff as you said, "A Pastor goes to bible school or theological (oops there's that word logic again) seminary to be "educated" in the word!"
That word "theological" uses theo meaning God. So we have God logic. Too many people look at things with out God involved and try to determine what their lifestyle should be.
My whole point of all of this is when we leave God out we only get part of the picture. When we leave part of God out we get the same result. As I have said before, a part truth is a whole lie.
---Elder on 5/21/09


A Pastor goes to bible school or theological (oops there's that word logic again) seminary to be "educated" in the word!
---1st_cliff on 5/20/09
Ha. New one cliff.
Heard a preacher who used the term "Cemetary" for seminary. He'd climbed out of the branded doctrinals grave.
After ten 12+ years of trying to raise many dead in doctinals pointing to scripture....
Confirmed.
Seminary/Cemetary is appropriate. Great place for the dead.

Psalm 119:43
And take not the word of truth utterly out of my mouth, for I have hoped in thy judgments.
---Trav on 5/21/09




Elder, By studying aerodynamics I arrived at the same conclusion as you,it didn't come to me out of the blue but by experiment and logic!
We seem to be arguing upon things we agree!
A Pastor goes to bible school or theological (oops there's that word logic again) seminary to be "educated" in the word!
Humanism is absolutely natural in that we are neither animal nor celestial creatures!
A tradesman must apprentice to be qualified!
The Apostles apprenticed with Jesus for more than 3 years,He taught them.It's a learning process,an education!No smoke and mirrors!
---1st_cliff on 5/20/09


Cliff, I just explained that all truth is God's Truth. When you leave God's truth out of logic you have humanism. You may think all you want on any subject and be wrong. Many think an airplane stays in the air because of the air under the wing. That sounds right but it is not truth. You know as I do that the craft stays in the air because of air passing over the wing at a greater speed creating a low pressure.
Logos may very well be my word. When we speak of God we speak of The Word. The things we speak may not come from God's Logos/Word but because they are true they are His truth.
---Elder on 5/20/09


Elder, The definition of logic (from the GR.logikos)is the science or art of "exact" reasoning!
When you look at a piece of paper filled with words,your mind/brain deciphers this for you not some magical input from an ethereal source!
The mentally challenged can't perform this task due to brain malfunction!
Logos and logic have the same root source.
Is God's word logical?
God's truth?? Is man's truth untruthful?? How so? If it's not truthful then it's not truth!
---1st_cliff on 5/19/09


Cliff all truth is Gods truth. God is truth. Logic comes from the human mind/brain. All logic to be used in proper fashion must abide in God's truth. To do otherwise would be to practice humanism. The Bible says to let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus. The mind/logic must be filled with God's Truth to make its decisions true.
---Elder on 5/18/09


Cliff, I'm very happy to say you recently said something I'm in total agreement with, i.e., "The fight with Satan is a battle for your mind! He is a master of psychological [spiritual] warefare!" (Gen. 3, 2 Cor. 4:1-4, Ro. 12:2, Eph. 6:10-12, 1 Pt. 5:6-8)

p.s. I seem to recall you saying something a very long time ago about "balance". I agree with that also in that the Word of God (Bible) must be understood in proper context (balance) as taught by God, the Holy Spirit from Scripture.

Yes, the enemy always positions the battle for destroying the minds (souls) of men (humanity). So then, who should we believe, God or lying Satan? :)
---Leon on 5/17/09


Elder, Bingo! You hit the nail on the head saying "I try to research and determine what makes sense"
It's not rejecting "things I don't like"
"liking" has nothing to do with it! Truth and logic is the key!
Rom.12.2 Even Paul says "be transformed by renewing of you MIND"
The fight with satan is a battle for your mind!He is a master of psychological warfare!
Look how many religions he's created by messing with minds!and especially emotions!
Try reasoning with someone in an emotional state!(good luck!)
---1st_cliff on 5/16/09


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Cliff, I read very little fiction. When I do want to read fiction I buy a Newspaper. I have found that you can't even trust the sale ads. I trust televised news as much. I try to research and determine what makes sense.
But, if you trust Paul about the things he wrote that you like then reject those you don't like doesn't that speak of your error?
Doesn't that go back to being lead by your mind and not Scripture?
It does go to whether you are hearing what you want to hear or not....
Please realize that some folks don't understand you like I have learned to. Every thing I say to you is in love. God bless you.
---Elder on 5/15/09


Cliff!!! :)

2 Tim. 3:1-7
---Leon on 5/14/09


Leon, You already made the accusations, now back it up with scripture,or apologize!
---1st_cliff on 5/14/09


Like I said Cliff, 2 Tim 3:1-7 is where you're at. Now, rather than try to argue the matter with me (or for that matter anyone else) you need to get right with God while you yet have time. It could be shorter than you think!
---Leon on 5/14/09


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Leon, OK you talk about my 'errors" what "truth" am I guilty of transgressing?,
real scriptural truth, not psychobabble or fundamentalist fantasy!
---1st_cliff on 5/13/09


"That's about the vilest accusation one person can say about another!"

Not so, Cliff. Actually, telling you the truth while you're yet on this side of the roots is a sincere act of kindness. My hope is you'll soon come face-to-face with the error of your ways & repent before it's too late.

Rather than railing your way into hell -- repent! I'm not your enemy ol' dude. :)
---Leon on 5/12/09


Leon, You say 2Tim 3.1-7. is where I'm at???
That's about the vilest accusation one person can say about another!
But it does go to prove a point. If they cannot challenge theology they attack the person.
That's the reason they killed Jesus!
Where are your "fruits of the spirit??love,joy,peace,patience,kindness,goodness,faithfulness gentleness and self-control???
You obviously don't have that "personal relationship" that you immagine!
---1st_cliff on 5/12/09


Dudley DoRight?! :D

Cliff: Please read 2 Tim 3:1-7 with your whole heart & mind. That's where you're at, i.e., in vain trying to understand Scripture in opposition to God the Holy Spirit's teaching.

No Cliff, it's much more than an education. Christianity is a personal relationship with God.
---Leon on 5/12/09


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Leon, Have a great day yourself. I'm a little surprised tho I would have thought Dudly do right would have been more your style,the plots are easy to grasp!
God doesn't work magic, you can stare at the bible 24/7 and not learn a thing.
Understanding scripture takes hard work,digging, searching, language study,history culture study etc.. and the ability to see the BIG picture!
Being able to discern,prophetic,figurative,symbolic and literal scripture.
It ain't easy but it could save your life!
Christianity is an education!
---1st_cliff on 5/11/09


A full moon aaaa?! Apparently, that's one of your pagan theological beliefs -- a very typical over the cliff response, Cliff. :)

One of my favorite people is Sergeant Preston of the Yukon. Unlike you, he's a very clear thinking, levelheaded Canadian who wisely employees all of his mental faculties all the time.

Have a great day bud! :)
---Leon on 5/11/09


Leon, I guess I should overlook your mental condition after all there is a full moon out there tonight!
I fail to see how my nationality comes into this conversation,unless you don't like people outside the US!
But it's a known fact that when someone can't challenge my theology they attack my person! It's an old tactic!
I still don't need all my brain to challenge your pagan beliefs!
---1st_cliff on 5/10/09


Elder ... "What do you think the Wise men followed to the birth site of Christ? Surely you are not one of those who thought they followed a star. They followed the Scripture"

Don't follow you! What about Matthew 2.2?

The Bible does not seem to say they knew Jewish scriptures.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/11/09


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Cliff: You "think"? Are you still using half your brain? :)

I don't hate you (or anyone else...) dude. However, I "think" you're really pompous & it's not an asset but a real liability & detriment to your overall wellbeing.

"Hate speech", aaaa!? That's the term you Canadians use nowadays when you feel threatened by people who speak the truth (exegesis), isn't it? :)

Again, I hate no one. But, I won't sit passively & allow you...to spew nonsense at will. As a Christian, I owe you better than that. Even though you'd rather I go away, you can expect a frequent challenge from me ( & perhaps from others) when you utter mindless falsehoods. Now, "THINK ABOUT IT"! :)
---Leon on 5/10/09


Leon, I think you're on the wrong blog here, you should be in the "hate speech" blog.
---1st_cliff on 5/10/09


"I borrowed that saying from Rush Limbaugh!"

Oh really? :) I'm not the least bit impressed Cliff. That only further explains your delusions of grandeur, i.e., no brainers -- both you & ol' stinkin' thinkin' Flush Limbaugh!
---Leon on 5/9/09


Leon, Actually I borrowed that saying from Rush Limbaugh!
Truely ,on here one dosen't have to use his full brain to spot foolish beliefs!
The crowd went that-a-way Leon, if you run you can catch up!!
---1st_cliff on 5/9/09


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"I can spot truth with half my brain tied behind my back..." Whaaa?! That's a gem of a saying Cliff, i.e., hilarious & explains (puts in a nutshell) everything you've said to date on CN blogs. Yoggi Berra couldn't top that. :D

I "truly" wish Gary Larson (The Far-Side) would come out of retirement & make a calendar month showing you with half of your brain tied behind your back as you spot truth looking thru the wrong end of a telescope. :) It would be great if he'd make a Jan-Dec calendar of you & some of the other colorful CN bloggers & their obtuse, catawampous sayings. That would really be far out!!! :)
---Leon on 5/9/09


Elder, Do you believe the 6 o'clock news?

Believing what someone wrote is not an acknowledgement of "inspiration"
As a matter of fact the "WISE" men were actually Magi (astrollogers) condemned by God Isa 47.13-15. They followed the "star"
They had to inquire where Messiah would be born according to scripture. Mat.2.2.
Scripture says so,now you're doubting bible??
God is more pleased with "truth"
I can spot truth with half my brain tied behind my back (just to make it fair)
If you don't use your "mind" you're borrowing from someone elses!
---1st_cliff on 5/8/09


Elder, those were fantastic arguments you put to Cliff. Thank you for that insight in defending the Word of God. Peace
---MarkV. on 5/8/09


Cliff you try hard to convince people that the Bible/Scripture is a new thing. What do you think the Wise men followed to the birth site of Christ? Surely you are not one of those who thought they followed a star. They followed the Scripture.
The only way to know our Saviour is by what the written Word says. It is the only way to know of Salvation. Without the written word we cannot know.
If Scripture doesn't lead us then it is what our minds dictates. We become right in our own eyes. Therefore the things we do to please God is of no effect. I hope you are not trapped by your own mind.
---Elder on 5/7/09


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Elder, Nailed to the "staros" Col.2.14!
---1st_cliff on 5/7/09

Wait Cliff, didn't Paul write this information to the brethren in Colosse that was later to be known as The Epistle/Letter to the Colossians? Are you now telling me that You and I can trust Paul's writing? If so, how come we can trust this but not the other things he said?
---Elder on 5/7/09


Elder, Nailed to the "staros" Col.2.14!
---1st_cliff on 5/7/09


Cliff where do you find that law has been removed?
---Elder on 5/6/09


Elder, You said 5.6.09 "If the bible is not God's word ,then for sure you're not a Christian"
By that token then none of those saved at Pentecost or the 3,000 added in one day were Christians since none of them had a bible!
The bible for the masses is a relatively modern invention!17th century,plus literacy was not wide spread!
---1st_cliff on 5/6/09


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Elder, Allow me , if you will,to clarify this a little more.
I don't worship the bible, to me it's not an idol! It has no magic, it was written in other languages ,spanning 16/17 hundred years,some by unknown authors.
Altho the bible contains God's words,Jesus is the "word personified"
His words are the "authority" If He is missquoted,is it still His words?? NO!
Jesus wrote none of the bible,neither did His Father save for the 10 commandments!
Concisely He said enough for any believer to recieve salvation!
Do we really need "rituals"??
---1st_cliff on 5/6/09


Elder, Now you begin to see why Jesus said "narrow is the gate and FEW ..find it"
It's not that cut-and-dried !
Of course God is orchestrating (guiding) true Christians, but not by mimicking someone else's words!
In the OT God guided them by script (law) ,law has been removed ,so principles remain.
How long did it take satan to get to Adam and Eve after their creation?
So then,how long did it take for satan to get to the Christian congregation after Jesus left? H.S.was present both times!
---1st_cliff on 5/6/09


Cliff, leaving all of the "Spiritual" side aside then we could go on to just plain common sense or wisdom.
If the Scripture, (and I don't mean copies of the Word of God) is not God controlled/breathed then what yo or I say is just as valid as Scripture. Do you think what you say is divine? I know you don't think I speak in the divine.
If this book we call the Bible is not from the "Very lips of God" then we can guide our life just as good from Gary Larson's The Far Side Gallery.
If the Bible is not God's Word then for sure you are not a Christian.
Now don't confuse God word with man's mistranslations ans twisting.
We are hashing old stuff here as we have before.
You are still considered my friend.
---Elder on 5/6/09


Elder,You said "IF Peter wrote under divine inspiration"
This is the crux of the matter, one must "assume" this as there is no proof.
Catholics call it an "article of faith"
Mohamed claimed inspiration
Joseph Smith claimed inspiration..etc..etc..
Must we believe it simply because they "say so?"
What is your "benchmark" for assuming inspiration?
Is it just because a committee included writings to make up the canon of scripture,that makes it "God breathed"?
Is "consensus" the key?
---1st_cliff on 5/5/09


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Cliff You and I have discussed your misbeliefs before. Now, your post was good rhetoric. But, now answer my question. I will state it again.
"So if Peter wrote under divine inspiration what difference would it matter how long he spent with someone else? The fact is that under divine inspiration it would make no difference what Paul had taught to Peter."
My question is about divine inspiration.
---Elder on 5/4/09


Elder, I'll answer you,
Moses didn't preach and teach "immortality of the soul" Paul did.IE "absent from the body..." (Pharisees as a sect believed in the soul's immortality)Paul's physician ,Luke, tells the parable of the rich man and Lazarus (that no other bible writer corroborates) that fundamentalists point to as "proof" of continuing to live after you die!
Jesus taught that the dead would experience a "resurrection " to life!
Everlasting life comes as a gift ,not automatic!
Given a choice,I believe Jesus!
---1st_cliff on 5/3/09


Cliff, I don't love you like a brother I love you as a brother. (I understand what you were saying.)
But tell me something....
How long would someone have to be with Jesus to write, under inspiration, for Him? (You said, "Peter would have known Paul (as leader) for some 25yrs or so by the time he wrote his letter.(he only knew Jesus for 3 1/2 yrs.!)"
So if Peter wrote under divine inspiration what difference would it matter how long he spent with someone else? The fact is that under divine inspiration it would make no difference what Paul had taught to Peter,
What makes Paul lesser than Moses as far as writting goes?
---Elder on 5/3/09


Mikec: There are people on the CN blogs who unwisely try to flip the Scrip(ture). Flipping the Scripture is at the core of devilish eisegesis, e.g., Gen. 3. Because they have some knowledge they think they understand. They don't know knowledge is generalized information but understanding is personal transformation gained from wisely personalizing knowledge. Knowledge alone swells the head (puffs up) but Godly understanding fills the heart (edifies).

Godly understanding comes from God, the Holy Spirit, thru the Word of God (Scripture/the Bible, Gen.-Rev.).God uses born again believers thru whom His understanding, according to His will, is imparted. This is at the heart of God authorized exegesis.
---Leon on 5/3/09


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Kevin3597 ,I've been called worse things than a dog before (Mat.7.6),you're like some other fundamentalists I knew before,I call them hit-and-run.IE Throw out a couple of scriptures and say "don't respond!"
It's quite obvious that Peter as well as other Christians were swayed by Paul the same as the fundamentalists of today.
Peter would have known Paul (as leader) for some 25yrs or so by the time he wrote his letter.(he only knew Jesus for 3 1/2 yrs.!)
Paul was a gifted organizer and writer!
---1st_cliff on 4/30/09


1st cliff - your responses remind me of 3 verses:
1.) Jeremiah 36:23 (Jehoiakim King of Judah)
2.) Matthew 7:6
3.) 2 Peter 3:16
Also a New Testament form of a Sadducee. Hey whatever works for you.
As for your 2nd witness - Peter - 2nd Peter 3:15 (according to the spiritual insight given him. Amplified Bible) - (with the wisdom God gave him. NIV) Please do not respond, I can see it will go nowhere. Sorry for interrupting.
---kevin3597 on 4/29/09


to(1st_cliff)....However, I am concerned that you don't have enough faith to believe the Word of God.
---kevin3597 on 4/28/09

1st_cliff. Since all have an opinion. I'm not concerned for Cliff. I'm concerned for those that don't question...doctrinal opinions or look for corresponding witnesses.
Thomas...was a doubter. He also was not present when the others were. Was not going to be fooled....was not castigated or thown out of the club.
Our Bibles have mistranslations, such as latin word Gentile, phrases that were not in originals such as "of one blood.
You search on. Bereans did. Other didn't/don't...evidently. All Romans wriitens to Israel/divorced.
---Trav on 4/29/09


Elder, 1st off ,thanks for answering my post.
Altho we don't agree on "theology" I still love you like a brother.
I don't disbelieve everything you say (some of it actually gets thru)
Every piece of information I get is weighed against what I have,if I find it helpful I retain it, if it is illogical,or unreasonable to my mind,I discard it!
That's what shapes my "open" mind!
Certainly not what "others say!"
I don't follow the crowd
---1st_cliff on 4/29/09


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Kevin3597,I do believe "the word of God" not the word of Paul (if you look closely you'll see there is a difference)but then you cite Luke's writing as tho that's the absolute authority! Luke was a Gentile Greek who never met Jesus,altho quoting Him word for word that no Apostle or bible writer corroborates!
What do you do with the rule that "at the mouth of two or more witnesses a matter will be established?"Jn.8.17.
Do you know the difference between faith and credulity?
---1st_cliff on 4/29/09


Cliff, I never said you were not a Christian. I only repeated what you have said yourself.
I remember, and will never forget, when my sister died it was you that encouraged me the most. (Altho- that doesn't make you saved, we agree.)
What I am saying is that you are like a Combat Soldier with all of his gear and rifle. The problem is that you have yet to trust and carry all of your ammo.
My personal respect for you remains.
Our opinions are fueled by our doctrines whether they are spiritual or secular.
---Elder on 4/29/09


Elder: I once did a sermon entitled "Designer Religion." I had an old Bible at home that the cover had come off, and I placed an old book inside the cover. From the pulpit, I read several verses that some people "don't really believe." As I read each verse, I ripped out another page. You should have heard the gasps from the congregation! I concluded by holding up the remaining "Bible" and asking: "What do you have left?" A designer religion - a mere reflection of yourself! (Then I told them that it really wasn't the Bible I was ripping.)
---jerry6593 on 4/29/09


1st cliff - here is my opinion: If you have confessed you are a sinner and need to be saved from your sinful nature, accepted Jesus as your God and Savior, that He died on the cross to forgive your sins, He was buried, on the 3rd day He physically arose from the grave, then you have Eternal Life. However, I am concerned that you don't have enough faith to believe the Word of God. The climax of all christianity is in the book of Romans. Regarding Paul being chosen by Jesus, read Acts 9:15-16 (Luke wrote this book)
---kevin3597 on 4/28/09


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Elder, Answer one question for me, if you will!
Does the fact that I don't believe that Paul was a Jesus appointed Apostle or that his writings were inspired ,disqualify me as a Christian?
I believe in the Savior Christ Jesus as my Redeemer!
Is this a "package deal" where if you don't believe in Paul you're disqualified?
---1st_cliff on 4/28/09


Elder, Sorry I misinterpreted your post!
What's so terrible about "opinion"?
When the doctor examines you ,you might ask for a 2nd "opinion" an opinion is not a guess!
You form opinions after years of studying a given subject!
Conclusions you reach by compiling years of research that are logical and reasonable in your mind!
If you read a "Lexicon" you'll see that the translators gave their best "opinion" as to what best translates a given word from Greek or Hebrew to English!
---1st_cliff on 4/28/09


Only one Truth. Scriptural witnesses 2-3 more.

Many opinions. One Truth. Scriptural witnesses 2-3 more.

Many Doctrines. One Truth. Scriptural witnesses 2-3 more.

But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every WORD may be ESTABLISHED.
Matthew 18:15-17
This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every WORD be ESTABLISHED.
2 Corinthians 13:1-3
ONE witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the MATTER be ESTABLISHED.
Deuteronomy 19:14-16
---Trav on 4/28/09


Cliff I thought, by now, you understood that the Word of God is of only one interpretation but many applications.
You don't even believe half of the Bible, by your own admission, so what can you disect about it?
My first post was made in jest. But, we, instead of learning the Word of God just want to debate why or why not it does or does not apply like we try to conform it.
---Elder on 4/27/09


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Elder, You want concrete facts that interpretation is not some one's opinion???
There's no such animal!
Proof- Go to the library or book store and see the number of interpretations (biblical) on "any" given subject!

Are any two the same??

Are you hinting that every scriptural interpretation you personally subscribe to is bona-fide "God-breathed"?

That's the reason why there are so many "different" denominations (Christian) each one believing "They" have the "correct" interpretations (especially doctrine) Which boils down to "opinion"
---1st_cliff on 4/27/09


Don't get it Leon???
In my 50 or so years of bible study I have confronted "Dyed-in-the-wool" Washed-in-the -blood, Bible-thumping, Born-again Pastors of both persuasions.
You show me which one is exigesinizing and I'll tell you eisegesis is alive and well!
That "God is not the author of confusion" is exactly right.
Like a lot of doctorinal confusion,"HE" does not figure into this equation!!!
---1st_cliff on 4/26/09


"The only difference is "self opinion".
But when you think of it Every interpretation is some one's "opinion""
---1st_cliff on 4/23/09
Cliff is this just your opinion or do you have some concrete evidence that what you are saying is fact?
---Elder on 4/26/09


In my opinion, you unfortunately don't get it Cliff. It would be to your advantage to rethink the whole thing minus the "SELF" aggrandizement thing you got going on.

God The Holy Spirit never tells Christians anything contrary to what the Bible says. If some Christians are receiving puzzling (doubt generating) messages, they're not getting them from the Holy Spirit.

God isn't the author of confusion. That bud isn't opinion -- it's fact (believe it or not)! :)
---Leon on 4/26/09


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Leon, The Holy Spirit tells some Christians that OSAS??
The Holy Spirit tells some Christians they can loses their salvation???

Same Holy Spirit???
What's your "opinion" Leon???
Exegesis or Eissegesis???
---1st_cliff on 4/26/09


The passage of Matthew 19:6-9 gives us excellent examples of the difference between "Exegesis" and "Eisegesis".

"Exegesis" is an explanation or critical interpretation of the text. In this passage, Jesus is talking about the SANCTITY of marriage and clearly forbids divorce and remarriage under ANY conditions. Marriage is a permanent, holy union between a man and a woman.

"Eisegesis" is a personal interpretation of the text. In this passage, Jesus says that marriage is sacred, but allows for divorce and remarriage in Matthew 19:9. It seems like the "exception clause" can be stretched to include any marital problems. Thus, allowing for divorce and remarriage.


---Augie on 4/25/09


"Every interpretation is some one's 'opinion'." ???

Do the interpretations of God also fall into the category of "opinion" Cliff?
(1Cor. 2:6-16, Jn. 14:26)

It's in our collective best interest to exegete (by leading of the Holy Spirit), not eisege (add one's out of context ideas/opinions to) the word of God (Bible).

What helps me distinguish the difference between the two words: The x in exegesis relates to the cross & gospel of Jesus. The i in eisegesis reminds me of the personal pronoun I (self). It's accurate if it's about Jesus -- inaccurate if it's about SELF.
---Leon on 4/25/09


"What is the difference..."
Exegesis is an exposition, or an exact, precise, explanation of a text, esp. a portion of Scripture.
Eisegesis is an interpretation, esp. of Scripture, that expresses the interpreter's own ideas, bias, or the like, rather than the meaning of the text.
"Which one do you use and why?"
My intent is to always use exegesis, determined by content, within the context, along with a word study in the original languages and an examination of what I believe to be correlated verses. Always prayerfully dependent upon Father's inspiration and insight in defining and applying the word studied in its proper context.
Why? Eisegesis is useless in properly understanding scripture.
---Josef on 4/25/09


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Finally got around to finding a definition for "eisegesis"

eisegesis--
an interpretation, esp. of Scripture, that expresses the interpreter's own ideas, bias, or the like, rather than the meaning of the text.
---Donna66 on 4/24/09


Mikec:
Approximately, exegesis means to interpret a text according to what it means, and to consider its' application. There is good and bad exegesis. Eisegesis is bad exegesis, and is the reading into a text something that is not there. Eisegetes usually ignore the use of a verse both in its' original context, and as compared to other similar verses. They often interpret a verse through the filter of their own culture and beliefs. 1Corinthians 4:1-6, 1Timothy 1:3-8, 2Timothy 2:1-(15)-18.
-Glenn
---Glenn on 4/24/09


SuzieH,

Great answer!
---Bruce5656 on 4/24/09


very good definitions and point made here. Unfortunatly this is easier to spot in the works of others and not our own.

Maranatha
---Samuelbb7 on 4/24/09


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Eisegesis is a big no-no. Basically, it refers to 'reading into' a bibical text a meaning not intended. In other words, one inserts a preconceived idea into his reading of a passage of Scripture rather than trying to 'extract' the meaning from the passage.
---Bobby3 on 4/24/09


Exegesis:

Nehemiah 8:8
So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly,
and gave the sense,
and caused them to understand the reading.


Eisegesis:

2Peter 3:16-17
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
---SuzieH on 4/24/09


I've never heard of eisegesis. But I think there are many people that do not understand what "exegesis" is, and that it follows certain "rules". It is not interpretation of Bible passages based on personal opinion or experience or popular teaching..

It is a word by word examination of a text with the goal of explaining what the text meant to its original audience, in its original historical setting,
as well as to explain what the text means for today.
---Donna66 on 4/23/09




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