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What Causes Poverty

What is the cause of poverty? Is it sin, God's will or laziness?

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Poverty is, by defintion: the state or condition of having little or no money, goods, or means of support: the condition of being poor: indigence.

Poverty can be caused by myriad things. Some are sins: some ain't. Now, the cure for poverty is... to get ya some money. Of course, how you go about gettin' it can either be by way of sin--or not. It's your choice.

(And don't ask 'what is sin and what isn't?' God makes that differentiation quite clear.)
---BruceB on 6/20/09


Barbara, I knew you couldn't stay away from me.
Many quote Scripture like in Matt 22:29. Jesus said, "Ye do err, not knowing the scripture. There were/are, Scribes, Pharisees, Sadducees, Hypocrites, modern day Christians and Christians that really try to follow Christ.
Some clean the outside of the cup and platter, within they are full of extortion and excess. Some do anything they want and others are to keep quiet.
Some just wanta stone Steven to shut him up.
Peter said we ought to obey God and not man, Acts 5:20.
I wonder why someone would not just answer a question instead of attacking the poster with unfound accusations. It sounds just like a socialist voice that wants no others heard.
---Elder on 5/5/09


I don't know what the cause is, but I do know this. Jesus said, "You will always have the poor."
---amand6348 on 5/4/09


Thank you for the encouragement Donna55.

At this time I'm looking for any kind of work that I'm suited to do but my main skills and experience are in sales.
I've had a full education and could be taught to do other things. My resumes have gone out to many companies that are diverse and need other skills that I posess.

I can't be picky at this point! God knows my needs and I depend on Him to direct my path.
I'm alone and only have me to support. I'm a widower and my 3 children are in their chosen fields of endeavor. All college grads and my eldest, my only son is working on his Masters. I'm blessed that I was able to help them before the bottom fell out!
God bless you!
---Tommy55 on 5/3/09


Tommy55, you have been here a short time. I've been with the CN ministry before any of the people posting here now came around. I've seen a lot.
Trish has a habit to speculate things that
are not said. I have seen that over the years.
When she is not defencive she posts informative content as you see now after her first accusing post.
AS far as my reading goes I am able with my 6th grade Jethro Bodine education to do OK.
All you need is the full background information and you will understand also.
I wonder why no one has said that God shall supply all of your needs according to His riches in glory? Could it be that we want something other than what He is trying to build up in us.
Many are in prayer poverty.
---Elder on 5/2/09




Tommy55- So sorry for you predicament... and none of it your fault.

But you have proved you have a good work ethic, and talent for sales ( TRULY a talent..I envy you this.) Now is a time to re-evaluate yourself...maybe move to a rental, re-invent your career.

Emphasize your ability to influence people. You could probably do any kind of sales...there's a shortage of certified teachers (look at a fast- track program for those who aren't trained in education).Or maybe you could start up as an independent computer tech... or print some business cards and start setting up computers for seniors (like me) and get them oriented. If you have patience..the damand is great.

54 is a good age for a career change!
I'll pray for you.
---Donna55 on 5/1/09


I understand completely Donna.
This question hit me particlarly hard because after 27 years with Circuit City, being the top salesperson for many of those years, I am now out of work, about to loose my home.

I am on every possible employment list and have sent out dozens of resumes.
I interviewed for a great job and they seemed to like me and my work record.
Unfortunately there was ONE job opening and 500 applicants.

I'm feeling like a bum, at 54 yrs old jobs are difficult to come by. I'll keep pounding the pavement and praying.
I'm not choosing poverty, but it may be thrust upon me through no sin of mine.
---Tommy55 on 5/1/09


Tommy55-

The topics discussed on these blogs invove strong feelings. Don't take "grudges" to heart.

>>"SIN, LAZINESS?" These 2 key words represent that a person could do something to be blamed for their own poverty<<

"SIN" always causes trouble of some kind. But all have sinned, rich and poor alike.

Are you saying that none of the poor do anything to contribute to their situation? Are the poor inevitably poor in spite of what they do?

In the US there is no reason why anyone who is not physically or mentally disabled, should remain poor. Given opportunity, some financial help, and by work and determination, everyone should be able to better themselves. Don't you agree?
---Donna66 on 4/30/09


The question misses "GOD'S" point. For one poverty will always be with us, and secondly the Bereans were poor and gave out of their need. There is no indication their condition was the result of a particular sin and certainly not for lack of character. In fact their giving exceeded their ability.
You could probably draw poverty back to the Adamic curse as you could the arrogance and judgement of those who look down on the poor.
I find it interesting that God uses the poor to teach a lesson to the rich, not the other way around.
---larry on 4/30/09


To be born into a poor family is something that happens. It is passed down through generations. Some families have money and makes sure even the unborn children are taken care of.
Lack of education,opportunities,knowledge is also other reasons. Some people gamble on business dealings,make poor choices and lose their money. Some misuse and abuse their money and wind up broke. Some people are disinherited from the family money. Some people refuse to work and invest their money wisely.Some of us work all of our lives and still end up overworked,underpaid and living from paycheck to paycheck.
Too many reasons to list here and not enough space to write in. God bless.
---Robyn on 4/30/09




I don't think it's God's will for us to be impoverished but not necesairly rich either.He promised our needs not our wants.Some poverty is do to laziness and some to lack of education.Or poor choices like consumption of drugs or alcohol.
---shirley on 4/30/09


Obewan: I am sure those guidelines are gross income, not net. I know they are low, for sure. God bless you as you strive to live within your means.
---Trish9863 on 4/30/09


Donna: Those are the 2009 Federal Poverty Guidelines. I am sure that inflation, and other economic factors play into the development of those guidelines. I Googled to find them, so I am sure there is more information on them if you are interested.
---Trish9863 on 4/29/09
Are those numbers before or after taxes?

I could never live on $10K a year with my required prescriptions as a single. If I lose my good job and health insurance and have to "live" on $7 at Wal-Mart, I would lose my housing and end up homeless -barring a cheap house and two roommates. Still would be short due to $350 month in medical. Health should be part of the poverty level guidelines.
---obewan on 4/30/09


James 1:27

27 Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.

lets get back in track.

Mike
the real cause of poverty is the cause of most of our issues its SIN and the brokenness of GOD people as a minister I see all kinds of brokeness and none more so than in the local body of Christ. We have the Power of Heaven at our disposal but because we think GOD is mad at us we become bitter and powerless
I got asked in skid row in LOS ANGELES what would it look like if the power of God came down I said it would look like faithfulness
---willow on 4/30/09


"The judgmental attitude is alive and well. How could anyone get that the questioner is trying to blame anyone for anything"?---Elder on 4/26/09

Maybe rereading the question might help you to understand the response, if you want to understand.

"What is the cause of poverty? Is it sin, God's will or laziness"?

"SIN, LAZINESS?" These 2 key words represent that a person could do something to be blamed for their own poverty.
You're way off base with your opinions mr. Elder.

I don't know many people here, I come here sometimes to get spiritual support and to learn. This is more like a grudge match, what's spiritual about that?
---Tommy55 on 4/30/09


Donna: Those are the 2009 Federal Poverty Guidelines. I am sure that inflation, and other economic factors play into the development of those guidelines. I Googled to find them, so I am sure there is more information on them if you are interested.
---Trish9863 on 4/29/09


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Trish--
Thanks for the information.
Just out of curiosity...do these parameters ever change? If so,how often (yearly?) or under what circumstances?
---Donna66 on 4/29/09


maybe another good question would be the other side of the coin which is:

what is the cause of prosperity? is it god's will or ones own decision to be prosperous?
---mike on 4/29/09


Persons in family Poverty guideline
1 - $10,830
2 - 14,570
3 - 18,310
4 - 22,050
5 - 25,790
6 - 29,530
7 - 33,270
8 - 37,010
---Trish9863 on 4/29/09


John you're right. But, the witness's said it was a Liberal Limousine operated by a blind driver with a sign that said "Pass the Blame."
I have been hit by the same driver before. I don't think they want me on the road any more.
Some try to make Truth street a two way street when the Master Builder built it one way.
All turns on it are to the right. It doesn't have any left side alleys on it to run down and eat outta trash cans. The bums gotta move to another part of town.
(Disclaimer: Before someone tries to make something out of it, the word "bums" DOES NOT refer to any poster on ChristiaNet. This is just my humorous way of saying we will miss you Barbara. One excuse for leaving is as good as another.)
---Elder on 4/29/09


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"In the United States, according to the government Bureau of Labor Statistics, there were 6.4 million working poor in 2000, by 2003 the number had grown. In 2004, Business Week suggested that "the share of the workforce earning subpoverty pay [is] 24% [in 2003]".

I believe that we need to rethink our ideas about who the poor really are.
---Trish9863 on 4/28/09

My sisters church in San Diego feeds about 1000 homeless people. Many of them have minimum wage jobs but just can not afford the rent. All it takes is something like asthma or diabetes to wreck a budget too. I know because my prescriptions cost $350 a month!
---obewan on 4/29/09


The number of poor working class people will sky rocket now because of higher energy prices and taxes. Passed on to us due to the gov regulations on the companies.
This current admistration does not care at all about the working class or anybody but themselves. They just want to control people.
---wayne on 4/29/09


1. A soft answer turns away wrath,
But a harsh word stirs up anger.

2. The tongue of the wise uses knowledge rightly,
But the mouth of fools pours forth foolishness.

3. The eyes of the LORD are in every place,
Keeping watch on the evil and the good.

4. A wholesome tongue is a tree of life,
But perverseness in it breaks the spirit.

Proverbs 15:1-4
---NV_Barbara on 4/29/09


Trish -- It would be helpful to know what is
considered poverty or a sub-poverty wage,. I suppose the government uses a particular figure to gauge this. Does the "poverty level" change according to the state of the economy?

I was amazed once to realize that my income was below the poverty line. I didn't think of myself as "poor" then. But I'm grateful to be in better shape now.
---Donna66 on 4/28/09


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JohnnyB-
I give more to charity every year. It hasn't ended poverty :) but I keep on giving.
---Donna66 on 4/28/09


Not all of the people in the US who are living in poverty are not working.

"In the United States, according to the government Bureau of Labor Statistics, there were 6.4 million working poor in 2000, by 2003 the number had grown. In 2004, Business Week suggested that "the share of the workforce earning subpoverty pay [is] 24% [in 2003]".

I believe that we need to rethink our ideas about who the poor really are.
---Trish9863 on 4/28/09


I have a friend who lives in poverty, yet she won't go out and find a job. She makes her kids pay her bills and sits home and now tells me that TBN is her lifeline.

It's in her mind. She can go out and find a good paying job and make a decent salary, but she has given up on life and believes everyone should just GIVE her money, including me which I have.

To me, the cause of poverty can be many reasons. If you tell yourself you can't go out there and work, and you're tired and exhausted, your mind is what controls your thoughts. What about saying, I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me?
---donna8365 on 4/28/09


Loosely defined, poverty is a severe lack of essential resources. Poverty will most likely continue to grow because our resources continue to shrink. At current rates, the world economists see no real end to the growing poverty epidemic. So to answer your question as to what causes poverty, my simple answer would be mankind itself. We simply can not produce enough needed resources, and recycling and conservation are only band aids on an ever gaping wound.
---TIMOTHY on 4/28/09


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Elder. It looks like you got a hit and run on you. lol.
---john on 4/28/09


"I did use my Ministry experience to respond to the uncalled for remarks"Well my friend "to err is human, to forgive divine -You could have turned the other cheek"instead of cheeky.seeing as you are a man of the cloth as I deduce.Harshness is not a tool we should use as it belongs to the down trodden or the likes from that region.I would like to suggest an apology but that is entirely Your choice.<:-)PEACE.
---MIC on 4/28/09


Hi Barb, hey, don't leave. I think CN would loose a valuable lady if you did.
God bless, sue
---sue on 4/28/09


Yes Elder I did have a little, very little time to waste.
At least enough time to respond to your unwarrented blog. It matters little to me who your rude remarks were made to, it was unkind.

It does seem to be a waste of time to blog here anymore. I was not blogging for quite some time because of all the arguing and cutting remarks.
Looks like I'll bow out again, this time to stay out, a waste of my very little free time. ciao
---NV_Barbara on 4/28/09


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Donna, I will continue to give charity anyway. You can do what you want. God bless.
---JohnnyB on 4/27/09


Donna, I will continue to give charity anyway. You can do what you want. God bless.
---JohnnyB on 4/27/09


Donna, I will continue to give charity anyway. You can do what you want. God bless.
---JohnnyB on 4/27/09


Donna, I will continue to give charity anyway. You can do what you want. God bless.
---JohnnyB on 4/27/09


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Barbara you must have some time to waste you did respond to my statement. It all depends on the time of day I guess. Trish spends her time condemning people because of some made up thing in her mind. She has accused me and others falsely many times. She does it again and just goes on her little merry way.
It is sad to see you accept her attack on the questioner. It is even sadder to see you perform a backdoor defence for her. You did take up for her. If not you have my address. Why not use it?
PS I did use my ministry experence to respond to the uncalled for remarks from her. I have dealt with more than one Trish type over the years.
---Elder on 4/27/09


JohnnyB--

>> But if there were more generosity and less greed, there would be a lot less poverty.<<

I doubt this is the case. It's fine to give to others and most peolple in the US do, either by personal donations, taxes, or both.
The "War on Poverty" spent a great deal of money. Did we win the "war"? Are there fewer poor people now? No, it's about the same proportionately.

"Hand-outs" alone, may even increase the number of poor (or those who discover how to get free money) and keep them dependent.

Unless we provide the means and motivation to get out of poverty, little will change. I remember that Jesus remarked, "the poor you will always have with you"
---Donna66 on 4/27/09


That was very harsh elder. Why waste your time and ours with backbiting your victim of the week because of their opinion?
Most here have stated 'opinions'. We have no concrete answers, its a diverse question.

I have respect for you and I'd rather see you post your opinion based on your experiences or those learned during the course of your ministry.
---NV_Barbara on 4/27/09


I apologize for going a bit off subject but this just reminds me of how blessed I really am. I have a decent place to live, I have water that comes out of a faucet whenEVER I want, I have a toilet (WHAT would we do without this simple thing)! I could go on....but believe it or not millions of people do not have these simple things. A toilet! Running, clean water! Healthy food! Thank you God! This week I am going to make a goal of helping somebody with less than I.
---sue on 4/27/09


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Many times poverty is due to lack of knowledge. Not just christians, but everyone. If a person doesn't know his/her rights then they will remain where he/she is.

It is NEVER "God's Will" for a person to be in poverty. It isn't a sin either.

Many are poor due to laziness & an unwillingness to go out and get a job. Some blame it on the color of their skin. Some blame it on God. Some blame it on....

Bottom line is that folks don't have to be broke, but by his/her actions they choose it.

Poverty also comes from the selfishness of others. Selfish folks take advantage of lesser folks regardless of the affect it will have on them.
---Rickey on 4/27/09


**Instead of asking "Why?" Ask, "How can I help the poor?"**

To expand upon this, it's very easy to feel compassion for an anonymous, faceless group of people called "the poor."

But are you willing to buy a hamburger for a hungry street person?

Christ commands us to feed the poor (among other corporal acts of mercy). I think the best way to do so is to feed the hungry person whom God puts right in front of you.

This is saying nothing against supporting soup kitchens and comparable ministries.
---katavasia on 4/27/09


Donna, you are right. Most things don't have simple explanations. But if there were more generosity and less greed, there would be a lot less poverty. Blessings to you.
---JohnnyB on 4/27/09


Where people are born an cause poverty. People can not choose their place of birth. If someone is born in a country without energy resources or mechanized agriculture, then they are destined to live in poverty unless they can find a way of escape. If someone in the US is born into a large poor family with no way to attain education or skills, then they may be forced to work in a minimum wage job for most of their life. People working 40 hours in a minimum wage job have no time or extra money to pursue education usually. A friend of my sisters has health issues with no insurance, and she works 80 hours a week at minimum wage just to barely survive.
---obewan on 4/27/09


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It could be any of those three things mentioned.
---Betty on 4/27/09


Poverty is a tool of the devil. This tool is activated by creating greet in individuals. Poverty is a cancerous like sore that exist worldwide. Notice that the closer a nation is to God the liking it is to have overriding poverty. Fallen mankind brings upon his fellow man poverty that results in starvation.
---mima on 4/27/09


Scripturally, here are 2 of the most common reasons. Lets remember that poverty is not just a lack of money but a general lack of our daily basic needs. Pro 28:27 Giving to the poor will keep you from poverty, but if you close your eyes to their needs, everyone will curse you.
Pro 6:9 How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? When wilt thou arise out of thy sleep?
Pro 6:11 So shall thy poverty come as a robber.....
---john on 4/27/09


jesus was poor,by the worlds standards.WHAT MAKES ANYONE POOR?
---tom2 on 4/27/09


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thank you elder.

life is not simple & easy. issues like this should have the proper answer because if they are given the wrong answer, then people will be in bondage & miss the opportunities to have a better life for them & their children. then the vicious cycle is complete
---mike on 4/27/09


Each person is unique, so if we try to put all people into one category, with a one-size-fits-all reason for their being poor, this is oppression, not caring enough to get to know each individual and deal with that person's idiosyncrasies, interests, needs and difficulties. It can also be anti-Bible to criticize "poverty", because Paul clearly does say, "And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content." (1 Timothy 6:8) Food and clothes can be enough for a person who is "poor in spirit" (Matthew5:3), if the person in one's spirit does not care about having the materials and *control* of this world. It's better to invest in being spiritual in Heaven's kingdom.
---Bill_bila5659 on 4/27/09


Not having any money causes poverty.
I'm being stupid...
but whatever the reason, poverty is an ugly evil thing and we should all pray for it to stop and we should ALL try to do something about it.
---sue on 4/27/09


I don't believe there is a "simple" explantion for poverty. Sometimes it's a result of hard times, physical or mental disability and various crises. Some people are born into poverty and simply don't know how to get out of it. Governments sometimes deliberately keep people in poverty so they can control them.

Of course the poor are helped by money (temporarily) but if that's all the help they get, they may be simply made dependent.
What they need is to see that they have ability and things to contribute to the word. And they need the opportunity (and often guidance) to fullfill this in some measure. That's the challenge, a difficult one, we need to meet.
---Donna66 on 4/26/09


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The love of money is the root of ALL EVIL. There's nothing inherently evil about having riches so long as one doesn't allow money to have/control them.

Having money & a heart of generosity to meet the needs of others pleases God. Loving & hording money is sin. So is laziness (e.g., not wanting to work). It's not God's will for anyone to be impoverished.

The rule of thumb in "the world" has always been: The rich get richer & the poor get poorer. WHY? For greedy people, more & more accumulated wealth, at the expense of needy people, is their drug of choice. Like all addicts, greedy people will do anything to anyone to get their daily fix! Haven't they been in the news a lot lately?
---Leon on 4/26/09


The judgmental attitude is alive and well. How could anyone get that the questioner is trying to blame anyone for anything?
Is there some fortune telling psychic lurking here?
("It sounds like you are looking to blame the poor for their lot in life. I would think it would be better to ask "What can I do about poverty?" Instead of asking "Why?" Ask, "How can I help the poor?""
Trish9863 on 4/25/09)
You know, Trish, CN will let you post your all so important questions yourself.
Victim mentality? You tell me......
---Elder on 4/26/09


The simple answer is, greed causes poverty, and the solution is generosity.
---JohnnyB on 4/26/09


There are 2 kinds of poverty. The material poverty you are likely wondering about has many contributing factors to it. Place of birth(location & status) personal laziness or inability to do anything about situations, or just bad choices. The other is Spiritual poverty, and there are many in this category by choice. Some in this category even think they are okay in their Spiritual life, but, according to Matthew 7:21-23, they will be surprised at the day of judgement when Christ tells them to depart for He never knew them. I pray that more people will find true riches only in Jesus Christ.
---tommy3007 on 4/26/09


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Poverty is extremely complex, and most definitely cannot be attributed to any one cause. For some, they are born into it. Others have circumstances hit them hard, and they lose everything due to job losses and other economic circumstances.

It sounds like you are looking to blame the poor for their lot in life. I would think it would be better to ask "What can I do about poverty?" Instead of asking "Why?" Ask, "How can I help the poor?"
---Trish9863 on 4/25/09


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