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Is Mel Gibson A Christian

There's talk on another message board that it's a disgrace that Mel Gibson passionately made the Movie Passion of the Christ and now he's having an affair. Is this living a double standard or doesn't Mel really walk with the Lord?

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I think those that have Big names such as actors & actresses,known sports people etc are trying to hide behind christianity. They may have at one time known of God,but they tend to more things that aren't God related(things of this world). I also believe that there is No such a thing as a christian politician. Why?,politics are corrupted & this seems to & will make the politicain vulnerable to RATT God's people for their own gain.
---Lawrence on 7/9/09


Nurse and Bruce: Nailed it!!! You guys hit it right on the head!!!
---Trish9863 on 5/17/09


NurseRobert,

Amen, Bro!
---BruceB on 5/16/09


But there's a much higher-quality gossip, here...
---BruceB on 5/15/09

And so Christ-like, too!

:D
---NurseRobert on 5/16/09


NurseRobert- "sounds more like gossip to me. If I wanted gossip I would read the scandal sheets.."

But there's a much higher-quality gossip, here...
---BruceB on 5/15/09




The motive is simply entertainment--"religious" style.
---BruceB on 5/10/09

sounds more like gossip to me. If I wanted gossip I would read the scandal sheets..
---NurseRobert on 5/14/09


Mark_Eaton* Rueben:

Funny, your name is Jewish, yet you seem to have no love for the Jewish people.

Funny now you are acting like God, knowing my Heart!

Mark_Eaton* Do you know that all during the middle ages, the Renaissance, even into early 20th century, the PASSION PLAY was used to stir up hatred against the Jews?

Yes, and they are going to answer to the Lord in due time. The passion of Christ is in the Bible, however.

Mark_Eaton* To have Christians love and honor this movie when it is a blatant through-back to the plays that Christians used to punish the Jews for killing Jesus is insulting.

For those Christians who say the Jews kill Jesus are in a denial, because we all did and continue to.
---Ruben on 5/12/09


Luke 10:18 "No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father"
---Mark_Eaton on 5/10/09

Amen Mark what Jesus said at the cross " Father forgive them for do know not what they are doing", it does not applied to those who were there but to us all . Eveytime we Sin he tells his Father to forgive us (1 tim 2:5)
---Ruben on 5/12/09


This blog question has received 50 hits so far, the question about "what is God doing in your life", only 11. Interesting.
---TIMOTHY on 5/11/09


// Is this living a double standard or doesn't Mel really walk with the Lord?
//

donna, if what you believe to be Mel Gibson's sins means he doesn't "walk with the Lord," what can be deduced from what God KNOWS to be your own sins, secret from us though they may be?
---katavasia on 5/10/09




Rueben:

Funny, your name is Jewish, yet you seem to have no love for the Jewish people.

Do you know that all during the middle ages, the Renaissance, and even into early 20th century, the PASSION PLAY was used to stir up hatred against the Jews? Even in Nazi Germany, PASSION PLAYs could be seen.

To have Christians love and honor this movie when it is a blatant through-back to the plays that Christians used to punish the Jews for killing Jesus is insulting.

Luke 10:18 "No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father"
---Mark_Eaton on 5/10/09


NurseRobert,

"I have to question the motive of this type of thread."

The motive is simply entertainment--"religious" style.

_____

kathr,

"We are not SAVED by Jesus Suffering, though He suffered, but by His Blood."

Ah, yes: however...

Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him, and with his stripes we are healed.
---BruceB on 5/10/09


Somehow, their marital history doesn't mean they are not Christians--at least to them.
******

"marital history" along with a "christian" movie VOID of Gods Truth taking one segment and making a sensationalized MONEY MAKING venture to exploit God and give MEL more fame is evident he is NOT a christian

self-professing christians EXPLOIT Holy Word of God for their own advancement
---Rhonda on 5/10/09


Why do people ask this type of question?

I have never quite understood just what is expected to be accomplished by digging into someone's past or behavior, someone who is NOT involved in this site, someone not here to defend themself.

I have to question the motive of this type of thread.
---NurseRobert on 5/10/09


**As for Mel isn't he getting a divorce now anyway? **

I wonder how many frequent posters to these blogs are divorced and remarried--maybe even more than once--themselves.

Somehow, their marital history doesn't mean they are not Christians--at least to them.
---katavasia on 5/9/09


katavasia...I was referring to Donna saying that she appreciated your definition of pop evangelists. Guess she hasn't figured out that she falls in that category.
---SusieB on 5/9/09


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You can look at the man's fruit. But whether he's a Christian or not depends on what his heart looks like to the Lord. Where he spends forever is between him and God, as well as what he does on his way there. Let he/she who is without sin throw the first stone.
---Vicki on 5/9/09


Shawn T. What a wonderful answer you gave at the beginning. "All things work for good to those who love God"
The movie about "The Passion of the Christ" really brought to life what Christ went through. Though not all scenes happen as it did in real life, we cannot come close to how it really was and what He went through for the sin of the world. I know how I felt after I saw it, even though I knew it was only a movie, and that all scenes were not Truth, it could have been even worse. I bought it and have not seen it sense because until this day, I can still feel what I fet that day. As far as Mel is concern, I leave him to God. He knows better then I. God is in control.
---Mark_V. on 5/9/09


** katavasia....Are you rolling over with laughter about now? That's like the pot calling the kettle black.
---SusieB on 5/7/09**

And just what was said that you expect me to laugh, SusieB?
---katavasia on 5/9/09


Thanks Rhonda. Many of the actors and actresses in the film the Passion, were from very dubious backgrounds in film-making. I suggest people take a look into this . As producer, Mel Gibson would have had a big say in who got the parts.
---frances008 on 5/8/09


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Mark_Eaton * I think the Passion of the Christ is a crock and should never have been made. It is a RCC movie,

Because it is a RCC movie it is a crock? Jews and Christian are already far apart!

Mark_Eaton * I watched the movie with pen and paper in hand and wrote down every scene in the movie that deviated from Scripture.

With that same Pen and Paper, show me in scripture where God's word is restricted only in written form!

Mark_Eaton * I also found the violence too graphic. But, the eye-witness gospel accounts leave all the gore out of them. Why do we need to see it? Do you not have enough imagination to see it in your mind?

Obviously it had affect on you!
---Ruben on 5/8/09


donna8365:

Ever since Christianity began, there have been wheat and tares - true believers and false believers (which include those who believe themselves to be true, but are deceived). And this also holds for every other religion or belief system as well.

Ideally, people will think for themselves, and research what they believe (like the Bereans who "searched the scriptures daily to see if these things were so" (Acts 17:10-11)). Unfortunately, there are many who are too lazy to do so and just believe what others tell them (like sheep), or come up with their own theories - and believe them so strongly that they think anyone who believes otherwise must necessarily be a heretic.
---StrongAxe on 5/8/09


Amen Frances and Mark

As for Mel isn't he getting a divorce now anyway?

Hollywood is about money NOT God ...whatever pious reasons Mel gave for making his movie are void aside from the fact his RCC movie didn't follow Holy Word of God

why TWO topics about Mel ..he is not christian he's just another celebrity making money off of God

---Rhonda on 5/8/09


katavasia....Are you rolling over with laughter about now? That's like the pot calling the kettle black.
---SusieB on 5/7/09


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StrongAxe, thank you so much for your in-depth definition of pop evangelists. I must say since I've been coming to this site, I now have a better understanding of what they are.
---donna8365 on 5/7/09


**Magdelene's Seven Demons 4/9/09
3) ..."but why do you think I disagree with 1John 1:5-10, etc."
4) "Katavasia, people are often uncomfortable when the subject of possession is discussed, ..."**

Not always do I read all postings on these blogs, and hence do not always see things I'm asked.

StrongAxe has defined "pop evangelical" in a marvellous way. Thanks.

I don't know what 1 John has to do with how Magdalene was possessed (the subject of that blog). My point is that however she got possessed, Jesus freed her, and she loved Jesus so much that she was granted to be the first to see Him risen from the dead in the Gospels.
---katavasia on 5/6/09


Public figures are put up there for us to admire and emulate. If they do good things, we benefit from them, and if they do bad things, society tends to copy them. They should be called to a higher standard especially if they present themselves as Christians. They certainly make enough money out of their high profile, so why should we not be allowed to talk about their sins which are done in public. Sorry, are they gods, or idols, that we must never criticize them? Mel Gibson is not my idol, I don't even think he's a very good actor. He has always had easy parts to play.
---frances008 on 5/5/09


We donot know Mels personal walk with God. He is showing poor outwardly descisions, however let us remember there are false pastors having affairs ,but teaching from pulpits and pointing fingers at him, so let us not be judgemental or gossipy.
---canda7683 on 5/5/09


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I think the Passion of the Christ is a crock and should never have been made. It is a RCC movie, through and through and does nothing but make the separation of Jew and Christian wider.

I watched the movie with pen and paper in hand and wrote down every scene in the movie that deviated from Scripture. The movie is filled with non-Scriptural scenes that detract from the story but add in the offensive RCC elements.

I also found the violence too graphic. Don't get me wrong, I am thankful for the sacrifice that Jesus made. But, the eye-witness gospel accounts leave all the gore out of them. Why do we need to see it? Do you not have enough imagination to see it in your mind?
---Mark_Eaton on 5/5/09


Glenn:

"Pop-evangelical" refers to a shallow belief system (and its adherents) based superficially on Christianity, but more on personality cults of popular preachers and celebrities and politicians, "Christian" best-sellers and music, kitschy merchandise like "WWJD" bumper stickers, etc. It has a disdain for other Christian traditions, especially older ones. It is as close to real Christianity as tabloids are to real journalism.

Pop-evangelicals often pontificate about topics they feel strongly about (and are sure God does too), even when the Bible says nothing - and insist anyone who disagrees must be unsaved. Unfortunately, their voices are louder, so they are often mistaken for real evangelicals.
---StrongAxe on 5/5/09


Katavasia:
You ask questions expecting an answer, but you respond to queries by asking another question, making an ad hominem attack, or abandoning the blog.
Please respond to the following:
5/2/09.
1) "Did you read the comments addressed to you...?"
2) "Perhaps, you could explain what a "pop evangelical" is?"
Magdelene's Seven Demons 4/9/09
3) ..."but why do you think I disagree with 1John 1:5-10, etc."
4) "Katavasia, people are often uncomfortable when the subject of possession is discussed, yet, some people react to things within their own lives. If you know someone that has Godly wisdom in this area, perhaps you could discuss this further with Him."
---Glenn on 5/4/09


**Perhaps, you could explain what a "pop evangelical" is as this is not a term known to me,**

This is probably not the only term you don't know, either.
---katavasia on 5/4/09


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***Can I stop feeling bad about my behavior while I watched the "Passion Of The Christ"? I fell asleep and HATED most of the movie. Why? Because of the violence. It reminded me of a Nazi concentration camp where Jews were murdered. Hardly material that I would want to recommend to others!Sag***

Many may not know Mel is an anti-semite. Mels movie was based on the same Passion Play Hitler saw that gave him a license to kill, JEWS. I believe this was Mel's intention. Why, because many RCC priests were AGAINST the movie, KNOWING it's roots.

We are not SAVED by Jesus Suffering, though He suffered, but by His Blood.
---kathr4453 on 5/4/09


Kandee:
Matthew 7:1-5 / Luke 6:41-42 deal with hypocrisy, and unjust judgment. 1Corinthians 2:15, 5:3, 11-13, 6:2-4, 11:31 instruct us to judge. In 1Chronicles 16:22 & Psalms 105:15, touch means to strike, or kill. We neither make the final judgment, as that is Jesus Christs responsibility (John 5:22, 27, Acts 10:42, 2Corinthians 5:10), nor our we to judge our brother as to "meats and days", Romans 14:4, 10. Also, we are not permitted to falsely judge, or to diminish our brother, James 4:11. God tells us to correct anyone who calls himself a brother and sins though, 2Thesalonians 3:6, 2John 1:9-11.
---Glenn on 5/3/09


I can tell ya this about Gibson: he produced a film with "unjust violence". And it was worth every penny I paid to see it. I saw it on release to theaters (one of two movies I've been to in 20 years.)

The audience was entirely silent, throughout. Upon leaving the theater, no one spoke a word. The people in front of me entered with popcorn in hand and left with popcorn in hand. Not a bite was taken: I know 'cause I saw it with my own eyes, 1stCliff. And they left... with tears of conviction.

I'd have to say Gibson's film had an impact. I'm guessing it provoked many to consider (or reconsider) that cross as having a purpose... for them.

Is Mel a Christian? I don't know. But, is it really about Mel Gibson--or Jesus?
---BruceB on 5/3/09


None of us can judge anyone else on this earth. Even Christians sin. And, if you are truly a Christian when you sin, the Holy Spirit will not let you rest because it will bother you. Just because we are Christians do NOT mean we will never sin..judging is one of the worst. Speak of others "faults" we see in love and let the Lord deal with the Christian who has sin in their life. It doesn't mean they aren't now or never were saved.
---kandee on 5/2/09


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Thank God I am not a public figure, and having my sins discussed on national television or here on this blog. When I learn of a person having a sin problem, saved or unsaved, I pray for them and drop it.

Speculating on his status as a believer, or his sin life appears to be bordering on gossip. I have done it so many times, and strive now to not do that.

Please, pray for Mel, and all of the other people who live in the Hollywood spotlight. Their need for the Lord is great, and the temptations they face are immense.
---Trish9863 on 5/2/09


Katavasia:
Where are you descending to? Did you read the comments addressed to you in that other blog (4-9-09)? On 3 October, 1976, in Colorado Springs, Colorado, I received Jesus as my Lord and Savior, and received what is often called the Baptism of the Holy Spirit three weeks later. Since there was so much Christian activity in the Springs, there was much oportunity to learn what was, and what wasn't, from the Lord. Perhaps, you could explain what a "pop evangelical" is as this is not a term known to me, but I would probablly identify myself as a Fundamental Christian. I don't believe in dividing over minor issues, but Proverbs 25:12, Acts 17:11-12, 2Timothy 2:14-16. See also 1Corinthians 4.
---Glenn on 5/2/09


**Having an affair shows that as yet he is unsaved.**

Of course, fanny's sins do not mean that she is not saved, now does it?

Only the sins of OTHER people mean they are not saved.
---katavasia on 5/1/09


I think that Mel Gibson had the opportunity to present the salvation and the Eternal life and the
power to do not sin with the Holy Spirit in
us. Made not a difference
in people life. All world know about what
happened to Jesus.
Avoiding to talk about new born in Spirit, the renew of the
mind etch. The movie express only the suffering of Jesus The revelation etch.I hope the poor benefit too of the money.
Yes is the reality, but a son in a place of execution is not for him. Sinners cruelty kills the trust
in men in exchage of fear of men and fobia.< Like life after the war
are touched and destroid in many ways.
Also
to be born again we need the Bible not a movie, is enough to touch the hearts.
---elisa on 5/1/09


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Thanks, Anne. I hope and pray your family are all safe.
---frances008 on 5/1/09


Frances~ You gave some excellent thoughts here, especially about how you said: It's not how we start the race (in Christ), but how we end it honorably (in Christ).

Just go to the OSAS blog, and see how I got persecuted for making the same statement that you made above. It's so crazy, because all we are trying to do is help others and point them to the full truths of the Bible, instead of partial truth...and we get persecuted for saying the full truths. Hope all is well with you and God bless. (PS: My children are home from school today because a case of the swine flu was diagnosed in one child in their school, I pray that flu does not go out of control)
---Anne on 5/1/09


Only him and Christ and God truly know that answer.
---amand6348 on 5/1/09


Can I stop feeling bad about my behavior while I watched the "Passion Of The Christ"? I fell asleep and HATED most of the movie. Why? Because of the violence. It reminded me of a Nazi concentration camp where Jews were murdered. Hardly material that I would want to recommend to others!

Yes, I would say that Mel Gibson is living a life with "double standards". In marriage, history about the Jews in Nazi Germany, etc.

Only God can really "judge" our walk with the Lord. I do think that Mel Gibson has huge responsibilities with a large family. However, I also think that Mel should be looking at WHAT PLEASES God. That is what will really matter once Mel has to face God on Judgment Day.
---Sag on 5/1/09


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**
If Mel had received Jesus as Lord and Savior, he would not continue to be a 'Primitive Roman Catholic'.**


If glenn had received Jesus as Lord and Savior, he would not continue to be a pop evangelical.
---katavasia on 5/1/09


The story has been in the news, Gibson has done at least one interview.
His wife left him 3 years ago and now they have filed for divorce,they have 7 children.

As for the affair part, I won't speculate.

He would be a difficult guy to be married to!
He stated that 'his wife is better than he is and is a follower of Christ. But she'll never go to heaven because she isn't Catholic". His father made quite a stink when he was quoted as saying that the Holocaust never happened.

Gibson paid to have a church built that he and his father attend that is a 'Traditional Catholic chuch'.
Thr reject all things in the 2nd Vatican counsel and their Mass is in Latin, as all Masses were before the 2nd VC.
---NV_Barbara on 5/1/09


Mel Gibson was in many violent films which Jesus would not have approved of. Then he made 'The Passion' which, from what I gather is two hours plus of non-stop violence against God, and we all know he's a cradle Catholic and belongs to a sect that has some strange beliefs - maybe sedaventist or somesuch thing. Winning souls for God does not mean you are saved. The determination of who goes to Heaven belongs only to Jesus, given to Him by the Father. Having an affair shows that as yet he is unsaved. There is still time but better that he should stop sinning now, today, and receive Jesus Christ. It isn't how you begin the race that counts, but whether you end it honourably.
---frances008 on 4/30/09


I have never seen the movie "Passion of the Christ" and never will!
Paying money to see your best friend get the snot beat out of him is the lowest form of entertainment!
1st and 2nd century people would gather at the arena to see Christians mauled by wild animals and sliced up by gladiators--sick??

Would you pay money to see a bunch of thugs beat up your mother,while you munched popcorn???

Hold this filmaker up as somekind of hero??
BTW he made millions!
---1st_cliff on 4/30/09


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Rebecca...Someone is pulling your leg if they said they were his parents. Mel Gibson's mother died in 1990.
---SusieB on 4/30/09


May our ears be closed to gossip and our hearts closed to judgmentalism.
---JohnnyB on 4/30/09


If Mel had received Jesus as Lord and Savior, he would not continue to be a 'Primitive Roman Catholic'. A movie based on a mystic nun's vision, and full of Roman Catholic dogma, doesn't point to his being a Christian. Also, all men, especially famous, wealthy, powerful, and well respected men, need to have a plan to not commit adultery.
Acts 4:12, Ephesians 1:13, 2:8-9, 1Timothy 2:4-5, 1John 1:9-10.
---Glenn on 4/30/09


How can one speculate on someone they don't even know personally? I don't know Mel Gibson, I don't know his heart. I know his parents because they used to live not to far from me, but just knowing his parents doesn't mean I know Mel Gibson. Anything that we hear on anyone is gossip. Gossip, Gossip, Gossip is what we hear and never know the truth. If someone says to me, "Well I heard". I stop them right there because nothing good can come out of a sentence that starts with "I heard". Leave Mel alone, he directed a great movie about Christ. What about the people that played in the old movies about the bible such as Yule Brinner? Were they Christians?
---Rebecca_D on 4/30/09


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He says he is.God is his judge not me.He is an excellant actor and The Passion of the Christ has won many souls to Jesus.
---shirley on 4/30/09


Why do people continue to say that they "like" someone they have never met and don't know at all? Mel Gibson is a movie star/director and his primary goal in life is to make money. That's what movie stars and directors do. They do not consider bad publicity to be negative. They figure that publicity of any kind is better than no publicity at all. It will help sell his next movie. Hollywood was not built on Jesus Christ, but on things of the dark side.
---SusieB on 4/30/09


It is nice to wish that all men were saved, but unfortuneately the respectful fear of God has almost completely vanished from the face of the earth. (this is why today we live in the "great falling away" period)

What does the Bible teach about believers that fall back into deliberate unrepentant sin? The Bible tells us:

I Cor 6:9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, (etc) ...

When a believer falls back into sin, we are responsible to lovingly help that person to find God's forgiveness (James 5:19-20, Gal 6:1 etc) Let us pray for Mel and millions like him that a modern day 'Jonah' might awaken us to repent.
---Anne on 4/30/09


Did I say I was judging him or simply asking a question about him? I actually like Mel alot. But I have Christian friends who have fallen into fornication and some into adultery and think nothing of it. So I gave them the scriptures that say "abstain from every form of fleshly lust." "For you had your time to sin when you were walking in darkness." "This is the will of God that you abstain from every form of fleshly lust."
I guess having an affair isn't a fleshly lust because many Christians seem to be in fornication these days and it really does break my heart. What about Be Ye Holy For I am Holy says the Lord? Where is our standard of holiness today? Doesn't anyone grieve over sin anymore?
---donna8365 on 4/30/09


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Had you have lived in the time of David and known about him and Bathsheba, and about him arranging for Bathsheba's husband to be killed, would you have said that David had the Holy Spirit with him??


But at the very best Mel Gibson is a carnal Christian!!!
---mima on 4/30/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

He that is without sin, let him cast the first stone of disgrace!!! Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so is Mel Gibson of Christ's. He who is at variance against a Brother, whom he hath seen, how can he Love God whom he hath not seen?

Walk-in compassionate forgiveness of the Lord toward Mel Gibson, as the Lord has done for you, knowing that all things(including this movie 'Passion of the Christ') works together for Good to them that Love God.

John 8:4-7
2Cor. 10:7
1 John 4:20

Matt. 18:27,32-33
Rom. 8:28

Peace Unto All & God Bless
---Shawn_M.T. on 4/30/09


Mel Gibson is a talented film maker and produced a wonderful movie. Fortunately the films message was more powerful than the films maker. Mel Gibson was not the star of that movie, Jesus was and always will be.
---TIMOTHY on 4/30/09


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