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Satan Cast Out Of Heaven

When was Satan cast out of Heaven? If he was cast out before Adam and Eve, how was he able to speak with God in Job?

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Maybe the act of Satan being cast out of heaven is going on right now. Jesus laid the foundation for it and His body completes it.
---Tony_L_Smith on 12/27/10

"Any teacher can speak, but, only teachers that are heard can teach."
---aka_joseph on 4/30/10
Did you say something? Just kidding, excellent point!
---Nana on 5/1/10

MarkV, your dreaming is cloudy.
---Eloy on 5/1/10

MarkV, The tree is known by the fruit it bears. "If we say that we have fellowship with him, but we walk with the darkness, we lie indeed not doing the truth." I Jn 1:6
---Eloy on 5/1/10

I agree with glen on 4/27/10 about the three heavens. I agree with Glenn on 4/28/10.

Glenn, anybody with discernment as low as 1% avoids teaching from two of the biggest bible believers here.

Any teacher can speak, but, only teachers that are heard can teach.
---aka_joseph on 4/30/10

Eloy, I am in the light, you just cannot see me because the light is too bright for you and you decided to stay in the darkness instead? Maybe another rebirth will do. The two rebirths didn't seem to have done the job. Bring you sun glasses. Sometimes when a person is in darkness a long time, they can never see the light again. They have to remain in darkness. You will have to adjust if you come to the light.
---MarkV. on 4/30/10

MarkV, When I say Yes, the sinner says No, and when I say No then the sinner says Yes. For there is no fellowship with light and darkness. MarkV, I suggest that you turn to the Lord Jesus and get saved, then you can join the truth and be blessed.
---Eloy on 4/30/10

Eloy, the lost are not scared about what you say, they just don't believe in God period. The believers are scared of what you say, because they know Scripture. And what you say is not Scriptural. You claim deity. You might not say you are Jesus, but you are the light Jesus saw while on the Cross. Which puts you at the time of Jesus. Then you claim you know that Satan's fall was in the early morning, you didn't give the day, but in the year 4175 BC. Since it is not in the Bible you must have been there in order to know it was early in the morning. Which then puts you before the fall of man. Great.
---MarkV. on 4/30/10

MarkV, only they abiding in sin are scarey of my words and have a fearful looking for of judgment and firey indignation, but all who are born-again Christians abiding in Christ are delighted to hear my words and what the end is for them who are redeemed from the wrath to come.
---Eloy on 4/29/10

Eloy, I too am sure there is many who listen to you and believe you, that is was is scary. I couldn't amagine anyone listening to Jim Jones and the gospel he brought and there was many seekers, about 900 of them. I kept thinking how could they have believed such a person, but I suppose it is easy. I believe you have a lot to offer that is good Eloy, but your reign as someone who was there when Jesus was on the cross, lights a lot of bulbs in people heads. Warning bulbs of danger. No one claims what you claim. David Kerresh claim he was Jesus. But you claim to be the light that Jesus saw while on the cross.
---MarkV. on 4/29/10

Glenn, you dis because you there is no light in you. But when you become saved and are a part of my body, then you also will be able to speak truth rather than opposition.
---Eloy on 4/29/10

I am sure Glenn that inspite of the dissers whom feel moved to misjudge and blaspheme me, there are also some seekers whom gladly receive my testimony and are blessed by my gospel of truth.
---Eloy on 4/29/10

Eloy, I knew you would not answer my questions, I thought for once you would come out with an answer that would conform that you were legit, but you talked yourself out of it with excuses. I forgot you were there when Jesus was on the cross and so of course you had to be there when Satan was thrown down from heaven early one morning. Great, "I'm an unbeliever, yes I am an unbeliever in what you say so many times." I can never be a believer of your truth. Like Mulder, I want to believe but cannot.
---MarkV. on 4/29/10

2/2 Eloy 5/9/09: "Satan ...was thrown out of heaven at the same time (as) the woman and the man". /12: Your first two proof texts concern the Kings of Babylon, and Tyre. The verse you use in Revelation concerns Satan and his human followers. /14 H1066 Heylel, and Lucifer in Latin, are synonyms both meaning morning star i.e.Venus. 8/27: "I cannot lie, for the seed of Truth is in me, and no seed is there from the enemy in me." 4/25/10 "then you will continue to dis my word?" /26: "When you can receive the truth I post, as the truth, then I will post the chapters and verses for you." Eloy, you are not God! Romans 7:14-25, 1John 1:6-10.
---Glenn on 4/28/10

1/2 Eloy: You are ignorant *1, prideful *2, and are unqualified to teach *3. You say of yourself 'I rightly apply scripture.' And 'The details that I have posted are all in the Bible which I completely support.' Three lies *4! Hypocrisy: 'you are not saved, else you would know the Truth', and using Isaiah 6:9-10, 42:18-20, Matthew 13:14 and John 12:40.
*1 Ephesians 4:14, 2Timothy 3:1-9, 4:3-4, 2Peter 3:16.
*2 Proverbs 11:2, 16:18, 2Corinthians 10:12, Galatians 5:16-17, 26, 6:3-5, James 1:20, 4:6, 1Peter 5:5.
*3 1Corinthians 2:13, 1Timothy 3:1-15, 4:1-3, 2Timothy 2:24, Titus 1:6-9, 2:7-8, 1Peter 5:2.
*4 Proverbs 6:16-19, John 8:44, Titus 1:12-13, 1John 1:6-10, 2:3-10, 3:14, 4:20-21, Revelations 21:8, 27-28.
---Glenn on 4/28/10

in case anyone hasn't noticed there are different levels of heaven, at least 3 if not more

i would think satan has been cast out of the highest level of heaven, but still has access to other levels to accuse the saints

he is the prince of the power of the air, so obviously he is not restricted to the earth

but later he will be cast out of heaven completely (rev 12)
---glen on 4/27/10

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Glenn, I do not "try" to apply scripture, but instead I rightly apply scripture. For one day on earth to humans is equivalent to one day in heaven to God, this truth is stated in more than one place in both testaments, even as I have cited Adams death being less than 1000 years, and as God has also said that he in that day he would die. The details that I have posted are all in the Bible which I completely support.
---Eloy on 4/27/10

Eloy: I apologize for glossing over your entry of 4/23, and misstating your position. Are you trying to apply Psalm 90:4 (4 hour watch) and 2Peter 3:8 to the creation week? 2Peter 3:3-9 was written to answer the objections of they who disbelieved in the second coming of the Lord, and was not meant to be used to set dates. In context, the Lord will fulfill his promises. As an aside, how did you get Friday for 1 April -4194 rather than Tuesday? Where does Satan fell when Adam was 19 come from? And who are you quoting?
---Glenn on 4/26/10

MarkV, You will not gain anything from the truth I post, until you accept the truth I post. You have just stated that you assume that I am not posting the truth, therefore as I already know, you have no good reason for me to give you the chapters and the verses. When you can receive the truth I post, as the truth, then I will post the chapters and verses for you. As for how many people are waiting for me to cite these chapters and verses, you are the only one whom has asked. I would really like for to witness you to have a real hunger and thirst for the truth, but so far your track record manifests that you are as one whom disses rather than receives.
---Eloy on 4/26/10

Eloy, my main purpose is to find out where you got that times from. If I want to know it is because you stated them as fact, not that you believe, and if you want to be believed that you are putting the Truth down, I would assume that you would. The reason I was waiting for your answer. I did not see your answer so I assume you were not been truthful. But maybe you will have an answer somehow, and will make your statement true if we can compare it to God's Word.
Don't you have any idea how many are waiting for you to put all the Scriptures down to see how you came out with those dates?
---MarkV. on 4/25/10

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MarkV, This is indeed written in the scriptures. But let me first ask you MarkV, why do you want me to open these scriptures to you? Fess up, is it because you truly desire to know, or is it because that you ask of me only for the sole purpose that after I open the word to you, then you will continue to dis my word?
---Eloy on 4/25/10

Way to go, MarkV, that's funny, Ha....I must go and clean house for Sunday.
---catherine on 4/24/10

Eloy, where do you get this times from? You even have Adam been formed in the afternoon. How is this possible? It is not written in Scripture anywhere. Can you explain?
---MarkV. on 4/24/10

Glen, you have misrepresented me. I have Not posted that creation is 4175 B.C. Instead, the truth I have posted is: "Satan was thrown out of heaven early in the morning in the year 4175 B.C. when Adam was only 19 years old. And the world was created on the night of April 1st 10194 B.C., and Adam the first man was created on Friday afternoon on April 1st in 4194 B.C."
---Eloy on 4/24/10

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Well, Satan was an angel and was according to God in Job 38: 1,4,7 was created before the creation of the earth. [I have done further studying]. Angels like man were created by a special act of God. They did not evolve into being. Perhaps is why they are referred to as Sons of God. The word Son seems to indicate a direct creation of God, as Adam is called the Son of God see [Luke 3:38]. Satan can talk to God. The Bible tells me so.
---catherine on 4/24/10

Satan had to be cast down anywhere from the first day of creation to the day the Adams' ware tempted *1. The Jews believed that God periodically made inquiry of his angels, and perhaps the demons as well, but it doesn't say as to where this occurred, Job 1:6-7.
p.s. There are different opinions as to when creation occurred based on as to when one believes Abram was born. Archbishop James Ussher put creation at 4004 BC, the Jewish calendar says 3760 B.C., Frank Charles Thompson and Eloy say 4175 B.C. But Mr. Thompson made some incorrect assumptions.
*1 Genesis 3:1-15, Luke 10:18, 1Timothy 3:6, 2Peter 2:4.
---Glenn on 4/23/10

Satan was thrown out of heaven early in the morning in the year 4175 B.C. when Adam was only 19 years old.
---Eloy on 4/23/10

Calvary Chapels teach that the "Senior Pastor" is the final authority in the church. They don't believe that the "pastor" should submit to the elders. I wouldn't go to a Calvary Chapel for advice.

I see the Calary Chapel "pastor" as lifting himself up similar to the reason satan was cast down.

Harsh, I know, but that attitude that the "pastor" is like a Moses is scary.
---Rod4Him on 4/22/10

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Rod4him -- I don't believe Alexander was saying Calvary Chapel is the ONLY place to go. It is a place he recommends from his own experience. He can't possibly know all all the sources that might help.
---Donna66 on 4/22/10

I know I haven't read all the blogs on this thread, but why should a person go to a Calvary Chapel to learn on this topic? Do they have some insight on satan's workings?
---Rod4Him on 4/22/10

Go to Calvary Chapel and they will help
you with your question. I dont know what area you are in but, look them up.
---Alexander on 4/22/10

Jesus spoke of the accuser of the brethren being cast out when He (Jesus) was lifted up from the earth. "Now is the judgment of this world, now is the prince of this world cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto myself. This He spake signifying the death He would die."

The devil is defeated by the resurrection of Christ. As you live in the truth of the life within you, you experience the overcoming power of that resurrection.
---Linda on 11/16/09

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In Revelation 12 the war in Heaven is described and it is noted that once the devil and his angels are cast out they are not allowed back again! A voice from heaven warns the 'inhabiters' of earth that the devil is come down with great wrath because he knows his time is almost up!

Revelations mentions that prior to that war, Satan accuses the brethren before the Lord day and night.

In the book of Job, Satan comes before God with the other 'sons of God' (angels).

When he is cast down Isaiah says that people will ask if this 'man' is the one who caused the earth to tremble and the kingdoms to shake.

Obviously this war in Heaven is a future event.
---JackB on 11/16/09

i am so mixed up..i have been studying with theJW and they say the devil was cast out in 1914 and somehow i just can't imagine him being allowed to stay in heaven all that time..i have read alot of the bible but i can place this in a time frame can someone help me
---sheila on 11/16/09

i am so mixed up..i have been studying with theJW and they say the devil was cast out in 1914 and somehow i just can't imagine him being allowed to stay in heaven all that time..i have read alot of the bible but i can place this in a time frame can someone help me
---sheila on 11/16/09

legend, I cannot lie, for the seed of Truth is in me, and no seed is there from the enemy in me. The holy tree cannot bear unholy fruit, nor can the unholy tree bear holy fruit: and each tree is known by the fruit it bears whether they be of Christ or not of Christ. Romans chapter 3 is comparing only the sinful Jew with the sinful Gentile, it is not misjudging all flesh which states the false doctrine of all souls are sinful, which maligns the saints, the righteous, the sanctified from God, and blasphemes the holy of God. lit. Gk: "Even the righteousness of God by obeying Jesus Christ onto each and upon whosoever them obeying: seeing there is not a difference, as each sinned, indeed whoever lacking glory of God." Romans 3:22,23.
---Eloy on 8/27/09

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Lengends, actually the greek word in verse 3 is better translated "individual persons" rather than "all peoples", as: "Engender this not! but come to be God whom true, and individual persons erring,..." This passage is emphasizing the comparison of the Jews who had been given God's Word, against the Gentiles who did not know God's Word, and that just because a Jew was told God's Law does not make them automatically accepted and favored and privileged over the ignorant Gentile, especially when they were living in sin just like the Gentile was rather than living in obedience to the Word given to them by Moses and the Prophets.
---Eloy on 8/27/09

Only in Christ am I not considered a "Liar".
Outside of Christ, we are all either disobedient "erring" Gentiles or disobedient erring Jews.
Nevertheless... I repent of "erring".
So should you! I know that a few things you and I speak are lies. We just don't know it yet.
And while you contemplate repenting about "erring"... quit making unknown accusations about people's salvation other than your own.
In Love...
---Legends on 5/19/09

legends, not every man is a liar, that mistranslated passage, and which you took out of context to support falsehood is a lie from the pit. The passage is speaking about the disobedient Jews being equal to the disobedient Gentiles, and that inspite of the Jews disobedience God's favor is not rendered void but is given to the obedient soul inspite of whether a Jew or a Gentile. Verse 3: "For what if some did not believe? will their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?" lit.Gk: "Engender this not! but come to be God whom true, and all peoples erring, according as it has been written, So that you can be justified in them words of you, and you victorious in the judgment." Romans 3:4.
---Eloy on 5/16/09

Holy Jesus does not allow sin in his heaven, and he threw satan out at the same time he threw the first humans out: just as every worthless weed is removed from the garden and thrown out of the garden, so too every vile branch will be gathered up and thrown into the fire.
---Eloy on 5/16/09

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"God forbid, yea, let God be true, but EVERY MAN a liar, as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."
Mikey, thanks for bringing some much needed perspective to all of us "liars"
aka BLOGGERS who "ALL they preach is TRUTH"
aka ACCUSERS that say someone hasn't been saved unless "the accuser that only preaches truth" says they have been.
When we "all" finally figure out that "we humans" are liars, stealers and killers and not any of God's former or current angels, then we will figure out why Jesus called the religious humans of His day A BROOD OF SERPENTS.
I repent!
---Legends on 5/15/09

.markv, you are speaking nonsensical. God is AllHoly to allow any sin in his presence, therefore the sinuous serpent indeed was thrown out of Jesus' holy heaven at the sametime as the first sinuous humans were. There is no sin in heaven, none, and God does not entertain any sin at any time. Sin is not able to withstand the presence of God's holiness: for in front of God's presence either sin will repent and convert to righteousness, or else sin will be destroyed.
---Eloy on 5/15/09

Eloy, in fact I said the curse was given to Satan and to Adam and Eve. The curse came to the serpent first. The serpent, a manifestation of Satan, appeared for the first time before the Fall of man. The rebellion of Satan, therefore, had occurred somethime after 1:31 (When everything in creation was good). Satan being a fallen archangel and thus, a supernatural spirit. had possessed the body of a snake in it's pre-fall form (3:14). If he was kicked out of heaven at the same time as when Adam and Eve sinned then He could not be present as a manifestation of a snake. For he is not Omnipresent as God.
---MarkV. on 5/14/09

ROM 3,4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar, as it is written,
That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou
art judged.the word of god is true,
There is a tendency for us to take scripture and try to piece them together like a jigsaw puzzle,however it is my humble view that this is not the way we aught to interperet scripture, but by seeking the lord to reveal his word to us.and through us.I love the bible, and the way it is written,the holy spirit gave us enough for salvation and we hav to seek him for revelation,because of this we can never finish reading the word of GOD if we understand every thing that is written, then its not gods words. and we will get bored of reading it
---mikey on 5/14/09

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.markv, none are so blind as those whom will not see, and none are so deaf as those whom will not hear. You wrongly say that the curse was not to kick the serpent out of the garden, yet this is exactly what happened. Jesus transformed beautiful Heylel into an ugly snake to slither upon the ground, and he indeed threw him out of his heavenly garden along with the first created humans, and then he barred the entrance with angels and a flaming sword.
---Eloy on 5/14/09

Eloy, I don't see an answer, you always have an answer. If you cannot find an answer then you are failing and you cannot fail. Is Satan Omnipresent? Can he be in heaven and earth and everywhere at the same time as God? He would have to be if he was thrown out of heaven at the same time Adam and Eve sinned. On earth and heaven at the same time.
---MarkV. on 5/13/09

.markv, all that I preach is truth: and you will believe and say whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 5/13/09

Eloy, that the snake was cursed is true after Eve and Adam sinned. But the curse was not to kick him out of heaven, he was already on the earth speaking lies to Eve. How is it possible for both events to take place at the same time? When he came to Eve he was already on earth. Was he on earth at the same time he was in heaven? Are you saying he is Omnipresent as God? Can he really be in all places at the same time as God can? What say you?
---MarkV. on 5/13/09

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Satan was cast out of Heaven. When I do not know. He was thrown onto earth and he is the god of this earth. Hell has been prepared for him and his angels and followers (presuming that some people will die without repenting of worshipping him knowingly.) I believe that Adam and Eve were on this earth in a protected garden, when Satan was thrown out of Heaven. Adam and Eve were thrown out of the garden. There seems to be nothing to confuse anyone if you put the pieces of the puzzle together (in the right places). No doubt someone will come up with something to confuse this simple logical explanation.
---frances008 on 5/13/09

.markv, First of all you are not saved, else you would know the Truth. Second, neither suggestion you gave is right. "Heylel", which is the serpent or great red dragon, and by the way "Heylel" is inaccurately translated as "lucifer", he was very a beautiful winged angel in paradise, but after sin was found in him then God cursed him and he lost his wings and was made to go on his belly and eat dirt and be trodden under foot of man.
---Eloy on 5/12/09

Eloy, I have been saved only onced. I don't need two or three. You did not answer how it was possible for the enemy to already be a sneaky evil snake before Eve ever sinned. You said it happened at the same time that he fell from heaven, but records show he was already on the earth in the body of a snake. What do you have to say to that? If both happened at the same time, it must be another snake in the garden with Eve. Which is it?
---MarkV. on 5/12/09

.markv, until you get saved, you will continue to dis the truth, and believe whatever you desire: "In Eden the garden of God you have been, every precious stone your covering, the ruby, the topaz, and the diamond, the chrysolite, the onyx, and the jaspers, the sapphire, the turquoise, and the emerald, and gold: The workmanship of your finger cymbals and of your pipies in you, in the day you were created, they were prepared. And the great red dragon's tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did throw them to the earth. How have you fallen from heaven, Heylel, son of the early dawn? You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations." Ezekiel 28:13+ Revelation 12:3,4+ Isaiah 14:12.
---Eloy on 5/12/09

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Mikef: First, who spoke to Eve in the Garden? Wasn't the Serpent also Satan?

The overall answer to your question is found in Matt. 18:19-20 & Job 1:6-7. It's not that Satan was in Heaven. He wasn't! Rather, the Book of Job shows God came down to earth & was in the midst of His earthly worshippers (sons of God), i.e., Job, etc.

The dialogue between Spirit God & Satan (a spirit) happened unbeknown to Job & the other gathered worshippers. The misconception a lot of people have is they think Job records a situation where the sons of God are angels. Therefore, God, angels & Satan must be in Heaven. Not so! It happened on earth, in the land of Uz.
---Leon on 5/12/09

Eloy, you statement that the devil and the sinful angels were thrown out of heaven at the same time that Adam and Eve were is without foundation. Genesis 3:1 "The serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made"
The serpent had already been thrown out for he was more cunning than any beast of the field, which means that out of all the the beast of earth, he was more cunning and decietful then all animals on earth. And if he cunned Eve by lying to her he was not in heaven at the time she sinned. She sinned because of his lies. Sorry, but you are wrong. God later cursed the serpent, "on your belly you shall go And you shall eat dust all the days of your life"
---MarkV. on 5/11/09

satan with one third of the heavenly host was thrown out of heaven at the sametime that the woman and the man who conspired together with him were thrown out.
---Eloy on 5/9/09

Re 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

It would seem Satan has, as of now, access to God: otherwise how can he come before God to accuse the brethren? After he is cast out of Heaven, he has a short time.

"...and the dragon was wroth with the woman..." This appears to be the "thousand two hundred and threescore days", or "a time, and times, and half a time" (3.5 year tribulation), in which he makes war with the saints and the remnant of the "woman's" (Israel's) seed.
---BruceB on 5/8/09

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So Satan is still in Heaven?

I can't imagine this!

Whar happens when they meet each other in the street? Do they cross the road to avoid each other? Or greet each other and shake hands & pass the time of day?

Does Satan, the arch enemy of God, still enjoy the joys of God's heaven?
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/8/09

"Read Revelation 12. My understanding of this passage is that Satan is not yet cast out of heaven until near the time of the tribulation. Verse 12 states "woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has but a short time."
---Grant on 5/5/09

This statement is also my understanding.
---mima on 5/6/09

Read Revelation 12. My understanding of this passage is that Satan is not yet cast out of heaven until near the time of the tribulation. Verse 12 states "woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has but a short time.
---Grant on 5/5/09

There are hundreds of scriptures of human beings and God having verbal communication. God can talk to anyone he wants. He can even use a donkey that talks. Why wouldn't he be able to talk to Satan?
---SusieB on 5/5/09

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Because I think somewhere in Job, it mentions Satan roaming the Earth. He either controls it, roams it, or both.

You will hear from some Christians, oh God controls the earth, no no, read your Bible closely. It says somewhere in there that Satan has dominion over the Earth.
---amand6348 on 5/5/09

Satan was cast out of heaven when he sinned.Heaven is no longer his residence but it does seem that he has ability to come for visits.
---john on 5/5/09

Yes, Jesus does say, in Luke 10:18, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." So, Heaven with all its loving and worship is also almighty to cast out a great big spark of static electricity like lightning. Satan's static of griping and criticizing and accusing, I can see, got him thrown out, *that quick*. So, "Do all things without complaining and disputing," (Philippians 2:14) > it was that easy for God to throw him out, and Jesus says He cast out demons "with the finger of God" (Luke 11:20) > all it takes is God's little *pinky* (o: to get rid of Satan and his nasty nonsense from us. When he spoke with Jesus about Job, he said he had been on this earth > Job 1:7. He could have been allowed back.
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/5/09

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