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Miss California Controversy

What should Christians response be to the Miss California controversy? The part-nude photos, a Christian organization hiring her, possible breach of contract, etc. Should she be a spokes person for Christians?

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Jo Ann,

"She should have said it was her belief that it was wrong and let it go at that."

I assume you're comment refers to Miss Prejean? Now, I can't swear to it... but I'm pretty sure that's exactly what she did.

As for hypocrites, where would "Christianity" be... without them?

Lu 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican...
13 ...And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
---BruceB on 5/25/09


Again there is another person publicly professing Christian values giving Christianity a black eye. It makes me angry that such people do this, are uncovered, and it gives non-Christians fuel to say Christianity is full of hypocrites. Everyone has sinned, but you should not go public as she did, knowing full well that you have a past that can be revealed to the world. She should have said it was her belief that it was wrong and let it go at that. Just like Haggard from Colorado Springs. If you pass yourself off as something you are not, it is sin. Plain and clear. Christ said in Matt 7:23 "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
---Jo_Ann on 5/18/09


frances008:

Yes, that's definitely true. However, that's not the situation that we're talking about in this particular blog. A person is entitled to his or her own opinions and they are nobody else's business - until the person expresses those opinions in public (and, in this case, to a very wide-spread audience) - which makes those opionins fair game to be scrutinized, critiqued, and judged by that same audience.
---StrongAxe on 5/18/09


StrongAxe, sometimes the private and the public can be crossed. EG. A man with multiple wives and throngs of children all on welfare when it is against the law of the land, as well as God's laws.
---frances008 on 5/18/09


frances008:

As noble as that sentiment is (that is, that if you commit a sin in a good cause, it gets wiped out), I doubt that you would find much scriptural validation for that position.

For example, when David recaptured the Ark of the Covenant back from the Philistines, and brought it back to Jerusalem, it tipped over. A man rushed up to steady it, so it wouldn't fall over and be destroyed. How did God react to that? Instead of appreciating that act, his anger lashed out at the man and killed him.

Such thinking can also be dangerous - crusades and inquisions result when people think it's acceptable to do evil in the name of a greater good.
---StrongAxe on 5/18/09




Elder ... you use the phrase "take it with a grain of sand"

In the UK we would say "take it with a pinch of salt"

Strange how there is different word & phrase usage in our two countries!!

And no surprise really that occasionally this leads to misunderstandings.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/18/09


Kathr: You asked: "Trish9863, are you a Doctor? A specialist in this area?"

The post in which I list my credentials was in reply to that. It was directed to you because you specifically asked for it. I apologize if you did not want to know that information.
---Trish9863 on 5/18/09


Kathr you will learn that Trish must remind everyone every so often that she has a Masters degree. It has nothing to do with what she says. She just wants everyone to know. Of course, it's not like she is the only one who has a degree. It doesn't take the place of your, my or anyone elses degree that we don't talk about.
Trish is proud about her degree and must speak of it. She is the only one I remember speaking of their degree with such frequency. It means a lot to her so take it with a grain of sand. A lot of her answers are based upon what she learned while gaining it. Now you understand how you must take the importance of her bragging when she responds to someone.
---Elder on 5/18/09


kathr: I am not gossiping by stating my feelings as feelings...I do not state them as facts, but feelings. That is not gossip at all, that is my feelings.
---Trish9863 on 5/18/09


frances008:

Yes - hence the difference between public business that affects others, and private business that doesn't.


Moderator:

I wasn't aware that there is a "bad word list". Is this list documented anywhere? Unfortunately, without knowing just what words are forbidden (if any aren't obvious), and with no feedback (the form tells you if a post is too long, but NOT if it has any bad words in it, and even though one must supply an email address, no email is sent notifying you that your post was rejected), it's impossible to know whether a post was unacceptable, or whether it inadvertently invoked That Which Must Not Be Named. This can lead to an uncertain fear of censorship.
---StrongAxe on 5/18/09




Kathr: I have a Masters in Social Work and work in mental health. ....---Trish9863 on 5/16/09

I'm sure Dr. Phil does too, and he certainly has been repremanded for speaking out of turn!

Again Trish, speculation is gossip leading to rumors. You are speculating here and your words will be taken and carried off by hundreds spreading rumors, which is gossip which is SIN!!!

If someone saw you with a new hair cut, all dressed up, and someone speculated that was a sign of having an affair...would you like that?
---kathr4453 on 5/18/09


"But some of us are covered and some of us are not covered"

MissC at times was not covered!
---observer on 5/17/09


Yes, in general I agree

But on these blogs, Miss California was being treated alomst as the greatest sinner, by those who are themselves sinners.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/17/09


Yes, Alan and Trish, every one of us sins. But some of us are covered and some of us are not covered. If someone kills another person it is a sin. However if the killed person was about to kill another person before he died, then the killer is off the hook. Their sin is actually seen in the light of motivation to save life. If that life is someone else's, or someone else's future freedoms, then God looks on the killing as 'risking your life for another person'. In war-time a soldier may kill many times even hundreds of enemy soldiers. He is not condemned because he is doing his duty. Get the message. Evil people cause good people to sin. That is what makes them so evil.
---frances008 on 5/16/09


A soldier may kill hundreds but eventually die himself. That is what soldiering is about. In the spiritual war we are in, a truth-teller puts his or her life on the line every day. An attacker of the truth is attacking God. Truth-tellers are humans, they have every human sin in them, but because it says in the Bible that someone who gives their life for others will be saved, we know that their small sins are forgiven and even their big ones. It is a question of putting God first. God wants us to strive after perfection, and yet he does not expect us to reach His perfection. What is not acceptable is wilful disobedience. Insubordination.
---frances008 on 5/16/09


Kathr: I have a Masters in Social Work and work in mental health. I did not say that Miss California was abused as a fact. I said that my belief is her pictures taken when she was 17 would be considered abuse in some states. As for her behavior, a lot of people, male and female, behave in provocative ways because of past abuse. I am not saying she is, but it would not surprise me if she had been.
---Trish9863 on 5/16/09


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who are you really speaking for - is it some Party or other? Perhaps you are trying to train people into the ways of the Party.
---frances008 on 5/16/09

Strongaxe... are you using NWO propaganda again!!!!
---NurseRobert on 5/16/09


Trish whatever you are attempting to post we are not receiving it. Your post isn't being blocked by a mod, but by the computer automatically. You must be using one of the computers bad words. Regardless of your intent of the bad word, the computer doesn't care. Please reword.
---Moderator on 5/16/09


Please read the whole sentence starting
While it is not our place to question another's sincerity, or that person's private business ...StrongAxe.

I have a couple of problems with the above whole statement by StrongAxe but particularly with the beginning part. Firstly, a person's private rights only extend as far as they do not intrude on another person's. Secondly, you can't speak for us all - who are you really speaking for - is it some Party or other? Perhaps you are trying to train people into the ways of the Party. Thirdly, when a private person's activities affect some vulnerable party, then it is our DUTY to stop it from happening. This may not be such a case, but just want to stop this thought control in the bud as it were.
---frances008 on 5/16/09


She's great! I'd vote for her if she ran for office. The photos were fake - just part of the vast left-wing conspiracy against Christians and the true American way of life.
---jerry6593 on 5/16/09


Have you been talking to Frances????
---NurseRobert on 5/16/09


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Alan, fair enough. I didn't really notice anyone picking on her, however we all see things differently. Be blessed.
---Tom on 5/16/09


She's great! I'd vote for her if she ran for office. The photos were fake - just part of the vast left-wing conspiracy against Christians and the true American way of life.
---jerry6593 on 5/16/09


Actually Tom, I think the points did need mentioning, because until we did, it did seemed that this lady was being picked on as if she was the only sinner around, and some of those accusing her were apparently oblivious of the fact that they too are sinners.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/16/09


"...spokes person for Christians?"

I don't see she's being a spokes-woman [Didn't God make man and WOMAN?] for "Christians", but...

It's all too easy to hoist a wagging finger. At least, she stood in front of the world and stated that "marriage is between one man and one woman." Is this, or this this not, God's truth?

She may not be walking, unwaveringly, the strait way toward that narrow gate. She does, however, appear to have some idea of where they're actually located... which is more than I can say for the vast majority of so-called "Christians" who point to her as one following the path of Satan.

Reverend V. Gene Robinson ring any bells?
---BruceB on 5/16/09


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While it is not our place to question another's sincerity, or that person's private business, it becomes a different matter when that person becomes a spokesperson. As wayne pointed out, Jesus did not condemn the woman taken in adultery, and neither should we. However, it would have been different if she had then gone all around town and scolded others for immorality. When people who live in glass houses throw stones, they injure only themselves, and tend to make themselves look ridiculous, and few will take them seriously - and when they portray themselves as spokesmen for Christ, few will take Christ seriously either.
---StrongAxe on 5/16/09


Alan as mentioned the point you introduced was obvious and therefore didn't add to the blog but appeared as an attempt to distract from the issues at hand.
---Tom on 5/16/09


Tom ... " The points the three of you make were never the points I was making and considered those comments obvious and not the issue at hand. Be blessed all of you"

Actually, neither Trish nor I have missed the points you made.

We just introduced the very much more important point that every single one of us sins.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/16/09


Well I see here to many people casting the first stone. Jesus did not judge a woman caught in sin. Why do the socalled "christians" condemn her?
---Dr._David_M._Ward on 5/15/09


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--Tom:

Brother, If you Believe God's Word is True, then you know there will be false prophets among the Brethren, even as there shall be false teachers among us, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord who payed with His Blood for our Salvation but they only bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 Peter 2:1 We know with man things are impossible and if it were possible, they shall deceive & seduce God's very Elect. Matt.24:24

The Elect abide with God where all things are possible!!!! So, No worries or need to be torn. These Truths have been Foretold. Just continue to apply those nice things you said I quoted from scripture on 5/14/09

Peace Unto You and Yours & God Bless
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/15/09


Brother Shawn I am not disagreeing with what you said, but adding on to your comments. I believe there are Christians that are following Miss California because they look up to her and her position. This should be a concern to the Body of Christ since she is promoting an immoral lifestyle as a Christian lifestyle. Also the lost are being mislead by Miss California because they believe that she is a Christian.

Also I am not disagreeing with Trish or Alan, but stating they are missing other very important issues. The points the three of you make were never the points I was making and considered those comments obvious and not the issue at hand. Be blessed all of you.
---Tom on 5/15/09


--Tom:

Tom, You're one of those guys, aren't you!!If something isn't spoken with your own words, you find it hard to hear.

I've already shared that "God's Children...don't strive to be immoral, but we do strive to comprehend the Light when shined on our sins---Shawn_M.T. on 5/15/09". If she's a Child of God, she'll see the Light.

Their are many organization that cry out Lord, Lord but aren't of the Lord. You talk about promoting sin & misleading young Christians but because your quick to speak & wrath and slow to hear, you've yet to realize the Truth. If the organization you spoke of is Truly of the Body of Christ, they wouldn't seek out a beauty pageant winner to be a role model.

Good Day & God Bless
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/15/09


Trish9863, are you a Doctor? A specialist in this area? If not, even your comments in a court would be overruled as speculation.

Comments like this Trish, even as speculation are very damaging to one's character or family members.

People caught stealing, or any bad behavior could be diagnosed the same.

We need to be very careful about speculation, and stick to facts only.
---kathr4453 on 5/15/09


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Shawn I agree with everything you are stating in your last paragraph except for one fine point that is missing. Christians should not promote sin and be placed in a leadership position to promote the sin more. A Christian organization is working with her which is a leadership position for the Body of Christ. Would you have a Pastor that does semi-nude pictures, a deacon, sunday school teacher? Keep in mind she states the pictures and that the profession of Victoria Secrets is OK for Christians. Surely you would not have Christians promote sin throughout the Body of Christ? Right? She is misleading young Christian girls as a role model to them. Shawn Christians should not promote sin. If I am wrong, please point in the direction scripture.
---Tom on 5/15/09


--Tom:

Brother, Forgiveness given doesn't need to be asked for and it's different from forgiveness received.

God's Children endeavor to give because giving is receiving. We don't strive to be immoral, but we do strive to comprehend the Light when shined on our sins. Despite her thinking there is nothing wrong with doing semi-nude photos, give her time to see the Light & seek forgiveness.

Jesus lifted up & said hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee. Go, and "Sin No More".

Tom, It's wise to leave it at that!! So, Exercise the 'Patience' & 'Forgiveness' of CHARITY as Christian's should and you'll find it covers a 'multitude of sin'.
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/15/09


REALLY?? This girl has taken a PUBLIC stand against the sin GAY MARRIAGE and is getting more smack for it then anything any of you will probably EVER in your lifes get smack for and all yall can talk about is her skimpy bikini and little exposed boobies in a photo?? wow - id like to see anyone of you stand up in front of all of those people and speak YOUR minds - then deal with all the reprocussions. i feel bad for her! none of this would have ever happend if she would have said " i love the gays!!" but no - she took the narrow path and God will reward her for that whther shes got on a sequence bikini or a moo moo - man... its christians like you that make christians like me look like FREAKS -
---eva on 5/15/09


I may not attempt to answer part of your question! Most of your so called Christians have not the tenacity to stand up and to speak out on what is right in the world. Or what is wrong in the world. No, they are far too busy doing other things. I admire anyone who speaks out in support of our causes. Non-Christians and true Christians. We need people who are willing and bold enough to stand up for justice and to fight against what is evil in the land.
---catherine on 5/14/09


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The fact that she identifies herself as a Christian (embarrassing as it may be to many of the rest of us who are Christians) doesn't make her a spokes-person. It does open her up to lots of criticism from almost everybody,....Christians, because of her nudity....non-Christians because of her beliefs and perceived hypocrisy.

In another sense we are ALL supposed to be "spokes-persons" for Christ. And if we hold back because of our obvious imperfections, the message will never get out.

The world needs to see that Christians are real people with faults and foibles...but people who have found a new direction in Christ.(I'm not convinced people will see this in Ms. USA)
---Donna66 on 5/14/09


The problem Trish is she doesn't see it as sin. She thinks its acceptable. Should grace cover her parading of sin?
---Tom on 5/14/09


Miss who? Why would anyone care about nonsense such as this?
---ralph7477 on 5/12/09

mmmm One of the few things Ralph and I agree about!
---NurseRobert on 5/14/09


Tom ... You misunderstood what I said originally!

I DID say our sins were different!
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/14/09


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Tom:"Why do some of you out there such as Trish and Alan think we should parade our sins in front of others?"

Your reading skills are lacking. I never said that we should parade our sins in front of others. I was attempting to challenge the judgmental attitudes of people here in that IF our sins were publicized as Miss California's appear to be, then there would be more grace and humility shown here.
---Trish9863 on 5/14/09


Kathr: Your reading skills are also lacking here. I NEVER said that she was sexually abused. I said that IF the photos of her that showed her exposed breasts were taken when she was under the age of 18, then I believe that is sexual abuse.

I also said that her behavior is often a symptom of abuse or molestation.

I never said that I she was sexually abused.
---Trish9863 on 5/14/09


This woman LIES! Just by nature of strutting around in a sequined bikini at this so called 'beauty pageant' she is a lie to her confessed Christian faith.

She claimed pictures were being taken and her skimpy top 'blew off' in the wind!HA!
The photographer says that was NOT the case. She's posing there looking straight into the camera. She also claimed that she was just 16 or 17 years old at the time.
WHO allowed a minor to pose for such pictures?

Later pictures, taken in the last couple of years (after she turned blonde!)were VERY inappropriate!
She had breast augmentation surgery just weeks before this contest. Is this even logical, much less Christian?
I'm glad I brought my daughters up to know right from wrong!
---Tommy55 on 5/14/09


My mistake Alan. I thought you were stating all have sinned and that you were referring to the Miss California situation and the Bible. Please forgive me.

Yes all have sinned, but I would hope that as Christians we all repent of those sins. Miss California hasn't repented of the sin of the semi-nude photos. She thinks it is OK for Christians to behave that way.
---Tom on 5/14/09


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Tom STILL MORE evidence that youy either do not read what others say, or just fabricate things.

"Alan I take it that you have researched the Miss California issues in more depth before speaking incorrectly about the topic?" No I have not researched the woman, because I have not discussed her. I have however stated that we ALL sin, and I sincerely beleive that.

"As you also misapplied the scriptures" That's funny Tom, I was not aware that I had quoted any scriptures.

On the question of the woman, I don't think she is a good example, but that was irrelevant to the sin of judgmentalism of those who condemn her
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/14/09


Shawn the scripture you quote is nice if it is applied. However, Miss California isn't asking for forgivness or repenting of her sins. She thinks there is nothing wrong with Christians doing semi-nude photos shoots. Surely you don't think Christians should be immoral?

Alan I take it that you have researched the Miss California issues in more depth before speaking incorrectly about the topic? As you also misapplied the scriptures.
---Tom on 5/14/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

The matter is she 'Lied'!!

He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her.

God's Children are to forgive, if we have ought against any Brethren : if we do not forgive, neither will our Father which is Heaven forgive our trespasses. So, when it comes to forgiving our Brethren, we're to respond with forgiveness Matt.18:21-22.
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/14/09


This woman LIES! Just by nature of strutting around in a sequined bikini at this so called 'beauty pageant' she is a lie to her confessed Christian faith.

She claimed pictures were being taken and her skimpy top 'blew off' in the wind!HA!
The photographer says that was NOT the case. She's posing there looking straight into the camera. She also claimed that she was just 16 or 17 years old at the time.
WHO allowed a minor to pose for such pictures?

Later pictures, taken in the last couple of years (after she turned blonde!)were VERY inappropriate!
She had breast augmentation surgery just weeks before this contest. Is this even logical, much less Christian?
I'm glad I brought my daughters up to know right from wrong!
---Tommy55 on 5/14/09


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Isn't is sad too that they start so early( these Beauty Contests...dressing up like little Prosta-Tots!
---kathr4453 on 5/14/09


The worst parents are those who "parade" their little girls around to these kinds of competitions. There is a new reality show about them. So far every mother has been fat and homely. They are living their dreams through these poor little girls.
---SusieB on 5/14/09


The Miss California controversy is just the "tip of the iceberg". Similar behavior and pictures are almost everywhere you look. Internet websites, newspapers, magazines, fairs, beaches, colleges, etc. Even churches!

The Bible teaches that we are to live for Jesus Christ. Women should NOT be using their bodies to tempt Men into lusting. Men should treat women as Jesus did in his days.

The entire world is in a sinful state because we have lost sight of our purpose on this planet. We should be living to spread the Good News and NOT spread tempting material like Miss California is doing. We ALL need to ask ourselves:

Am I living how God wants me to live? Does my behavior show that to the world?

---Sag on 5/14/09


In many of the churches that I have attended, there were girls who have tried out for these "beauty contests".

At first, I thought that these "beauty contests" were just a normal part of young girls growing up. Later on, I learned that many of these girls developed serious problems if they didn't WIN. Anorexia? I don't understand WHY Vanessa Lynn Williams had to pose nude for Playboy magazine back in 1982. Those are just some examples.

I now consider these "beauty contests" SINFUL. I'm betting that many folks, even parents, will disagree with me.

Hey, since when does God want your own daughters to SINFULLY parade themselves around to stir up more SIN? He doesn't.
---Sag on 5/14/09


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Let's face it if she worked for Victoria's Secret it was a job nothing more nothing less. Guys pretty much have taught women to be sexually immoral anyway
---lisa on 5/14/09


the wrong question has been asked, rather should any Christian actually compete in a "the most beautifull meat contest? i dont think any Christian that enters a miss election (or other body-glorifying contest)wears his/her christianity any deeper then skindeep
---Andy on 5/14/09

Absolutely!!!

There is TRUE Christianity(CHRIST IN YOU) or generic christianity..anyone who is not a Jew, Muslum, Hindu etc.....

Those who live in the FLESH for the FLESH, to promote the FLESH, for others to LUST after FLESH and fleshly desires are enemies of the CROSS, and are at emnity with God....PERIOD!!!!!

Those who are Christ's have CRUCIFIED the flesh....
---kathr4453 on 5/14/09


Why do some of you out there such as Trish and Alan think we should parade our sins in front of others? The Bible states we should repent not continue in our sins. Trish and Alan my guess is that you are not current on the issues surrounding Miss California otherwise you are stating Christians should promote sin. Miss California is promoting her photos as Christian behavior - REPEAT she sees nothing wrong with them. Please update yourself on the issues before appearing to bless immoral behavior.
---Tom on 5/14/09


Tom~ It's great you understand the seriousness of this. A woman who dresses with the intent to make men lust after her is on a par with a prostitute, and Prov.6:25,26 tells us not to lust these for they prey on your life (and can lead to disater.) Women struggle with this temptation the same. Sinful desires such as lust/adultery war against the soul (I Pet. 2:11). We MUST war back or be conquered.

Get victory over sin/lust:

1. Remember Psa 119 to hide God's word in your heart so we won't sin.
2. CLOTHE/ARM yourself with the Lord Jesus Christ and STARVE your sinful nature (Rom 13:14)- Paul wrote the one who sows to please his sinful nature reaps destruction, but the one who sows to please the Spirit reaps eternal life. (Gal. 6:8)
---Anne on 5/14/09


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Speaking of sexual abuse...behaving in a sensual fashion, as Miss California has been accused, is often a symptom of having been sexually abused/molested as a child.
---Trish9863 on 5/13/09

Trish are you saying for sure this is the case?
To make those kind of accusations is to accuse someone else for her behavior.

OR has Miss CA just been exploited here? Someone trying to PUSH the envelope?
---kathr4453 on 5/14/09


In response to the post claiming that both Christian and non-Christian men are looking for those pictures, I'd like to just add that not ALL Christian men are doing that.!! Let's give the Lord glory and the Christian men CREDIT who are not. There are a FEW left out there whose loves are their wives and not other females.
---kandee on 5/14/09


Would a true Christian woman put her body on public display? She is doing nothing different NOW as the type of swim wear the girls wear leaves little or nothing to the imagination. I personally feel she should be more concerned about what she does NOW then what she did years ago. Why is it that women like to exploit themselves on television, in public or anyplace else? Would any of those Christian ladies who read these blogs dress as she does for the pageants and be comfortable calling themselves Christians? Miss California's comments about marriage between one man and one woman is Biblical. My thoughts are perhaps she should consider beginning to save her body for that special man in her life to see, not all of the world.
---kandee on 5/14/09


the wrong question has been asked, rather should any Christian actually compete in a "the most beautifull meat contest? i dont think any Christian that enters a miss election (or other body-glorifying contest)wears his/her christianity any deeper then skindeep
---Andy on 5/14/09


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Tom: I am going to bet that there is some sin that you have committed in the past year that you see nothing wrong with...it just has not been broadcast for the world to know.
---Trish9863 on 5/14/09


Picture???? Did anyone notice that she was half-dressed in all the competition? What about the bathing suit???? Give me a break!
---SusieB on 5/14/09


Tom she did the worst pictures just within the past year and she sees nothing wrong with them. Should Christians do semi-nude pictures and then be brought around as a role model? Sorry but Christ wouldn't approve of that behavior, however Donald Trump does. So who do you believe Jesus or Donald?
---Tom on 5/13/09


Should she be a spokesperson for Christians is wrong on its premise.
I don't believe she claimed to be a spokesperson for Christians but a witness for the redempting power of Christ.
Folks, its going to get tougher for Christians pictures or no pictures so don't get distracted. They hate you because you are in Christ - and this is a confirmation of scripture.
Sure, pageants may be dumb and you can debate whether a modest christian woman would partcipate, but Ms. Prejean is being treated as if she were Hannibal Lechter for something far less severe.
In this sex-crazed world do you really think the outrage is over partial nudity? Christian and non-Christian men alike are browsing for those pictures and we all know it.
---larry on 5/13/09


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Folks, nearly everyone I know Christian or secular did something in their youth or while on campus that today would be embarassing. Frankly, I've seen more on Florida beaches so let's give her a break and understand that she is being hammered for her beliefs not for her dress. If she wore coveralls to the beach the vitriol would remain. Put those stones back in your pocket.
Again, if she had been in favor of same-sex marriages this question would have never reached the blog.
---larry on 5/13/09


Alan would you allow your daughters when they were younger to post semi-nude with your approval as a Christian? Then you would state we have all sinned and continue to sin so its OK with me. Are you a Christian?
---Tom on 5/13/09


When the chips were down this young lady stood up for Christ on National Television. She defended the faith by giving a non-political answer and received the wrath of the liberals for it. How many of us can say that we have ever been under that much National pressure for doing the right thing?
I admit that I don't care for the reasons that she was in that position in the first place. However when the chips were down she stood up for Christ unashamed. Her past might be somewhat tainted, however her future appears very bright.
---TIMOTHY on 5/13/09


I thank God that I realise I am not without sin.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/13/09


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Tina, Miss California never asked to be forgiven. Just the opposite. She thinks what she did was acceptable. She is just upset it wasn't used to get her a Victoria Secret semi-nude modeling job. Surely you don't think that is Christian behavior? I hope not anyway.
---Tom on 5/13/09


Obewan: Just because a kid is raised in a Christian home does not guarantee that child is a)saved while a child in that home...b) possesses the Holy Spirit on our timetable..

You also assume that the Christian parents were totally wrapped adequately. I have known of Christian women who were raised in "Good Christian homes" who were sexually abused by their deacon fathers.

Speaking of sexual abuse...behaving in a sensual fashion, as Miss California has been accused, is often a symptom of having been sexually abused/molested as a child.
---Trish9863 on 5/13/09


Wardrobe choices???

Well little tops WITHOUT buttons, are no different than panties without a crotch!

These should NEVER be worn outside the bedroom!!!

---kathr4453 on 5/13/09


The Lord states in the Bible that former things have passed away and He makes all things new...If the lady is going to church and believes in the Word then its possible she has already been forgiven....Then it appears to me that Satan is sabotaging her.
---tina on 5/13/09


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As I stated earlier, I did not learn all I needed to learn about modesty overnight. The Lord taught me gently and in private. I wonder how fast you learned all that you needed to know to lives a sinless life, and if you learned it in private, or via the media.
---Trish9863 on 5/13/09
Yes that is true, but one of the other posters mentioned that she was raised in a good christian home. What you say would apply if she was raised in a pagan home, but she should know the difference between right and wrong if her good christian parents did their job.
---obewan on 5/13/09


Praise God then Trish that you are not a spokesperson for Christianity.
---Tom on 5/13/09


Mark Eaton~ Amen! I agree wholeheartedly with you we need to view much less TV, and get strong into God's Word and doing His will.
---Anne on 5/13/09


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