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Does God Hate People

In Romans 9:19 we see how God loved Jacob and hated Esau. If God is love then how and why would God choose to hate Esau? To tell people that God can hate people seems to contradict the very nature of the love God. Does God hate sinners? Has God already chosen the people God hates?

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Taken from Malachi 1:2-3. God says He "loved" Jacob and "hated" Esau. Scary scripture indeed...until you look at the context, that is. Here, it means God has chosen Jacob and rejected Esau. It's more a comparison than actually hating. Jacob was chosen for the Abrahamic covenant while Esau was not. Besides, think about how you feel when you hate. In light of that, if an all-powerful God really hated Esau, do you honestly believe he would have lived long enough to even father a nation that would become a thorn in Israel's side? God puts up with us because He loves us.
---Walker19 on 2/27/11


God is not what Unknowledgable people desire him to be: God is, I am that I am or I am who I am. And people are not robots. God has free will just as his creatures which he made also has his free will, and we can either enter into God's love or else enter into his wrath depending upon the things that we do and say. Just as an evil child can provoke and do horrible violence against their parent to where the parent relinquishes that violent soul to their own end, so too God says "Choose", "Choose life or death, blessing or cursing, heaven or hell."
---Eloy on 1/9/11


Kendrick
Look at Job's situation. He got to be very low because of his so called comforters, but he still believed in God. You need to do the same.
---Lawrence on 1/9/11


kendrick--God does allow hate to exist, but He calls it SIN. It's not from Him! (When God said he "hated" Esau, it's NOT the kind of "hate" you think).

So glad the voices are no longer bothering you. Do you have a counselor to talk to about wanting to kill yourself? God doesn't want you to kill yourself.

What He wants, is for you to talk to Him in prayer. Tell Him you are sorry for whatever wrong you have done, and ask Him to forgive you and give you everlasting life (in Heaven).
Jesus died at the hands of hateful men just so He could answer this prayer! He knows what it is to be hated!
The new life He gives you won't be easy, but you can count on God to help you through any problems you may have.
---Donna66 on 1/9/11


god does hate or lets hate exict. i am a black male and people are very racist and rude towards me i became mentaly ill in 1999 the voices would tell me that i am gods son then the voices went away i was a very loyal christan and good let the worst things happen to me i want to kill myself everyday it seems like god only bless siners and assholes why does god treat me this way what did i do to deservie this i hate god
---kendrick on 1/8/11




34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn
" 'a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her motherinlaw
36a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'[a]

37"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me, 38and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
---batieste on 6/22/09


God flooded the earth and only a handfull of people survied.That means that babies, grandmothers and grandfathers, teenager, pregant woman all died. God also destoyed a city, Sodom and Gomorrah.
People dont really know God.
Remember, that God cant lie.. so what ever he says IN THE BIBLE will happen and people will die from there sins.
And jesus does say what type of people that he wants. read Matthew 13. 1 out of four christians will make it to heaven.
---batieste on 6/22/09


Apostacy in the early church was not due to evolution theories. We can count Judas, Alexander the coppersmith, Ananias and Saphira, Hymenaeus with Alexander, and Demas.
Shall we move on and not be part of the problem, rather be part of the solution? Jesus lamented over Jerusalem which had shipwrecked all the good things God had sent to her.
I for one have been called, 'not a brother', 'a liar', 'not a christian', 'a catholic' and many more things and guess by whom? By none other than Mr MostNobleIntentions himself,
Channel #5...
---Nana on 6/19/09


What separates man from God is pride, what separates man from man is doctrine. Would you have a catholic priest preside over a Protestant church?---Steveng on 6/17/09

What separates them is pride. They can differ over doctrine and still stay together. But when our pride is hurt, our flesh will divide us and we will hold onto the resentment. THIS is why we have denominations. Not only doctrine differences.

Apostasy is a different matter. I believe apostasy is ocurring (because it must!) because of the lie of evolution. It has creeped into nearly every life on the planet. Every geological, physics, scientific discussion includes it.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/18/09


john 3-16 for God so loved the world that he gave his only son,that whosoever would believe shall not perish. Yes God hates sin.Let me ask as a parent to you hate your children when they make bad choices?or even do evil?yes they are responsible for their deeds,just as we are to God.
---tom2 on 6/17/09




Mark_Eaton: "We can have differences of opinion between brothers in Christ."

It's these difference of opinions that is causing apostasy from the christian faith. Christians bicker among each other - between denominations and within the same denomination. There is no unity among today's christians. If Jesus were on these blogs, he would be considered just another opinion.

Jumping ahead when the two prophets are sent by God as mentioned in Revelation, christians won't accept them because they don't conform to their denominational doctrines.
---Steveng on 6/17/09


Mark_Eaton: "We can have differences of opinion between brothers in Christ. What unites us is our common faith in Jesus. What separates us is our own stinking pride."

What separates man from God is pride, what separates man from man is doctrine. Would you have a catholic priest preside over a Protestant church?

Mark_Eaton: "James 1:19 "let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath"."

My friends, neighbors, and business associates would agree that I do listen to all sides of a story, that I'm usually the last to speak in a group or meeting, and I'm never cross.
---Steveng on 6/17/09


Thank you Mark E, my brother in Christ, I am sure you don't mind me saying that. It is not a problem for me brother, it is a problem he has. As far as I am concern, I didn't feel a thing. He is the one who must be holding to some negative things in him. I am sorry I answered him, but here you don't know who to answer to. I always enjoy discussing godly things with you. I am glad that you are patient and that you are on line. Please feel free to ask me anything you might disagree with me. I will do my best to explain. Praise be to God in the highest.
---MarkV. on 6/17/09


StevenG:

Would you say the same words to Jesus that you said to MarkV? Have you ever met Jesus face-to-face? Ever heard Him talk to you audibly? Ever given lip-service to the sacrifices of the Christian faith?

We can have differences of opinion between brothers in Christ. What unites us is our common faith in Jesus. What separates us is our own stinking pride.

James 1:19 "let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath".
---Mark_Eaton on 6/17/09


Steven G, if calling you a friend is bad, I never met you also as a brother in Christ but if calling you a friend was bad I suppose brother in Christ would condemn me even worse. I am sorry I addressed you as a friend, I will make sure I don't address you again. I don't want to cause you any harm with my words.
---MarkV. on 6/17/09


Steveng, if God had not sent Jonah, the people could never have repented. God gets the glory, not Jonah, nor the people.
---frances008 on 6/16/09


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MarkV: "Steven, my dear friend, are you suggesting that God didn't know what decision they were going to make? Are you serious?"

Re-read this post your wrote - slowly. For instance: "For I know the things that come into your mind, every one of them" Ezek. 11:5." He knows what you are thinking after the thoughts come to your mind.

And, by the way, I am not your dear friend. You have never met me face-to-face. You have never wrote me a personal letter. This is one thing that is wrong with today's christians, they lack true personal relationships. If you cannot develop a true personal relationship with people, how can you ever develop a true personal relationship with God?
---Steveng on 6/16/09


Steven G, 2: God's attributes and nature never change. When God is shown in Scripture speaking to someone, He makes what He already knows happen. He is never surprise by anything. He never learns new things. God's Supremacy is also demonstrated in His perfect rule over the wills of men. In Ex. 34:24 three times in the year all the males of Israel were required to leave their homes and go up to Jerusalem. They lived in among hostile people. The Canaanites had a chance while they were gone to slay women and children and take their land. If the hand of Almighty God was not upon the wills even of wicked men, how could He make this promise beforehand," That none should so much as "desire" their lands".
---MarkV. on 6/16/09


Steven, my dear friend, are you suggesting that God didn't know what decision they were going to make? Are you serious? If God is Omniscience, which He is, He knows everything. He knows what you are going to say before you say it. How is that for Omniscience?
"For I know the things that come into your mind, every one of them" Ezek. 11:5. and how about "Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising" Thou understandest my thoughts afar off. Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways. For there is not a word in my tongue but, lo, O Lord, Thou knowest it altogether" Psa.139:2-4.
---MarkV. on 6/16/09


That's a very good one! Thanks Steveng.
---Nana on 6/16/09


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MarkV.: "He says, "If you do this, I will not do this" thinking that He is waiting for man to make a decision not knowing what decision he is going to make. Those are the means He uses to get what He wants done and will be done. The God of Scripture is Sovereign in all things."

Have you not read about the story of Jonah? God was going to destroy a city and sent Johan to prophesy against it. If the city refused to repent, then God will destroy it. If they did repent, and they surely did, then he will save it. It depended on the choice of the inhabitants.
---Steveng on 6/15/09


God's Holiness does not change, ours do and God respects that.
That was a good Scripture reference Trav.
Also, Malachi 3:16: "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name."
---Nana on 6/14/09


Larry, God is Immutable in His counsel. Many times some object when they read a passage like, "And it repented the Lord that He had made man" Gen.6:6. A statement that seems to imply God was sorry He made man. First thing to know is that Scripture does not contradict? When speaking of Himself, God frequently accomodates His language to our limited capabilities. He discribes Himself as clothed with bodily members, as eyes, ears, and He discribes Himself as walking in Psa. 78:65, as "rising early" in Jer. 17:13 and when He institutes a change in His dealings with men, He describes His course of conduct as "repenting."
But "the gifts and calling of God are without repentance" Rom 11:29.
---MarkV. on 6/12/09


Trav, maybe we're confusing God changing his mind with God's response to faith. Faith and the pleas of the faithful have always moved God.
God heard the pleas of bondage of his own under Pharoahs whip for 400 years but was not moved to free them until he raised the man of faith. That same man, Moses, later successfully pleaded before God to release his sister Miriam from her plight after she complained that Moses had married a black woman.
Nothing ever changes with our sinful nature and we are truly rediculous, but God has moved to redeem us from our own peril and we often confuse that with changing his mind.
---larry on 6/11/09


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The most ridiculous statements is that God changes His mind. God never changes what He purpose from eternity past. God is not a person that He wavers back and forth whether ---MarkV. on 6/10/09

He see's picture...but, not the context of the big one. Sincere mostly, just too much pride to learn. Have you been to his web site. Revealing.

Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD, I change not, therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed..


Verse above has additional context.
---trav on 6/11/09


The most rediculous statements is that God changes His mind. God never changes what He purpose from eternity past. God is not a person that He wavers back and forth whether He should do something one way, and later comes to find out something new and changes His mind another way. It is the same also as saying He abandons His children. He is Omniscience who knows all, He never learns new things. His is holy and He holiness never changes. Many here think that because He says, "If you do this, I will not do this" thinking that He is waiting for man to make a decision not knowing what decision he is going to make. Those are the means He uses to get what He wants done and will be done. The God of Scripture is Sovereign in all things.
---MarkV. on 6/10/09


you know i cannot tell you if the lord hates people or not,I can only do what alot of you have allready done, give scriptures. And not as well as some of you i might add. But this i can tell you, the important thing to remember here is DOES HE LIKE YOU?!
---bob on 6/9/09


alex- God is life. Are you overlooking the fact that God said flatly that He hated Esau? Do you think He will love the people he will put in hell for eternity? No. He will hate them, put them in hell and blot their names out of the Lamb's book of Life.
---Betty on 6/9/09


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People ask the same questions on this christianet. Stuff that does not accomplish anything. mostly they want to cover up their sinfulness. What I can not understand is why people think God is stupid or like a computer. We are the inferior species not God. He gave us personalities similar to him. Do you hate stuff, so does God, I hate lots of stuff. God is the most intelligent being in the universe but he Got so mad at the Children of Israel that he forgot he was saving them and Moses had to remind him. And he repented and changed his mind. Yeah! God changed his mind. He gets Mad,He loves some people more that others, just like you, Yeah I know it says he is no respecter of persons, but that is according to salvation, not friendship.
---Exzucuh on 6/8/09


As an example...
It's because of PRIDE that Christians imagine themselves to be Israelites/Hebrews/Jews (but we are CHRISTIANS....CHRIST is our foundation).
---more_excellent_way on 6/4/09

Israel/Hebrews/Judeans....as a majority do not know who they are. They lost they're marriage name....and would be known by a new name. Isaiah 62:2
And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

They are only known to some by their heart/and over 70 other marks. Usually not indicative of pride....but blessing and servanthood.
---trav on 6/7/09


God is a God of love, he is also a God of judgement.

God was full of sorrow that he had to destroy his creation at the flood. God loves his entire creation - even with its faults. He doesn't want his creation to die. He wants all people to live. He is patient to bring his creation back to the garden of eden. If he was full of sorrow, if he is patient for none to be in hell, then he still loves his creation. For those who obey his commandments, he will show favor with them and take them up in the first resurrection. After the thousand year reign of Christ, the second resurrection will take place and the people will be judged from the Book of Life according to their works. I pray each of you be taken in the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 6/5/09


"Hate", dislike, oppose, set against...what's the difference.

Ezekiel 14:8
"I will set my face against that man".

God's ways/sense of justice and righteousness never changes...

James 4:6
"God OPPOSES the proud" (and WHO gets what He graciously gives?).

When someone is prideful or unjust, they are CONTRARY TO GOD AND HIS WAYS. OUR "spirit" must not be one of PRIDE, it must be compatible with GOD'S.

Romans 8:16
"bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God".

As an example...
It's because of PRIDE that Christians imagine themselves to be Israelites/Hebrews/Jews (but we are CHRISTIANS....CHRIST is our foundation).
---more_excellent_way on 6/4/09


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A bigger question is,"Why did God decide to love any of us?"

Ps14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
Ps14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Ro5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

If God decided to love a people and draw them to him and leave the rest in sin would he have done those left in sin an injustice?
---trey on 6/3/09


Well, first off, the bible pretty clearly states that God is a loving god, and his law, his commandments for all of his children(Us) to obey, is quite simply, love. I am absolutely positive that God has nothing but infinite outgoing love for all of his most precious creations(us). Though, I will say, God definitely doesn't like the fact that most everybody on this planet is now worshipping some other God, that is not Him who created everything. For your conclusion, I would like you to know, if the god you're thinking of "hates", then I think you might be thinking of the wrong God. God is love, period.
---Alex on 6/4/09


Would it be safe to say, he came here to save all of us. Yes, I believe it would. Some will say otherwise. So, if he gave his life for us all. How can he hate anyone!

I believe if the lord were to hate anything, it would be lack of faith in him.
---TheSeg on 5/19/09

Prophets of scripture and myself will be the "otherwise". "Everybody" not found in scripture.

the heathen shall know that I LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
Ezekiel 37:27-28
Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
Psalm 139:22
I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
Psalm 139:21-23
---Trav on 5/27/09


God is perfect. He created us for repentance and Heaven. There are people who refuse to repent or find the truth. They are heading along the broad way to destruction. God sends them warnings, they ignore them. God sees the people he made going to destruction. He allows it as a punishment, because He is true to His Word. He let's this be a warning to His Church. We are told where they are headed. Prophecy warns us. What God wants is to save some people. Others will not choose salvation. God hates THOSE people.
---frances008 on 5/25/09


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deb- Why, don't you?
---Betty on 5/22/09


Seg, thank you for the discussion. Your comments were well taken. Peace
---MarkV. on 5/22/09


Betty, I know what the Bible says. My question to you is, do you believe everything you read there is God's Holy Truth?

Bless you, Sister.
---Deb on 5/21/09


If I say, you are wrong, I would be a liar. Just I know and hear your words.
I believe your words, they are true.

Mat 14:26 And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit, and they cried out for fear.

This is why, I said, the law is perfect. Let the law kill you! Prove you are dead!
If I tell you, it will be a lie. You need the proof.

1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

This makes me perfect? The answer is no, right!
Any one who says yes, is a!
---TheSeg on 5/21/09


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Seg, don't you believe the words of Scripture? You insist it is not so when it is written, the New Covenant says it is so. You believed the Word of God when you were saved why do you not believe in the words of the New Covenant? I didn't write it, I didn't say it. God did.
If God did not put that fear in our hearts in order to keeps us, the possibility would be that it would be possible for us to be lost. That point He made is very important to us. I rather have that fear in me then not have it at all if I knew it was possible for me to be lost. I know where my security is, it is in God. Wouldn't you rather have it then not?
---MarkV. on 5/21/09


Yes, I believe we should be fearful. But, why fearful of God, he is our father. You know he loves you. So, how can you say fear the lord?

He said fear him who can kill both body and soul. That not God or is Christ. So, it must be fear sin and sinning, and yet it seems we can stop sin, can we? This is why the law is perfect. Glory be to god, in this I see so much more, then the law. I dont fear what God is doing, I fear what man is doing. Not with the world but with his words. He is shutting up the kingdom of heaven. With his own words! Look for it, youll see it clearly.
---TheSeg on 5/21/09


deb- Exodus 20:5 God said, "...for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God...." Exodus 34:14 "...for the LORD...is a jealous God." Deuteronomy 4:24 "For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God." Nahum 1:2 "God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth, the LORD revengeth, and is furious, the LORD will take vengence on His advesaries, He reserves wrath for His enemies." Isaiah 26:21 "...the LORD cometh out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity...." Revelation 15:1 ...seven angels having the seven last plagues, for in them is filled up the wrath of God." John said,"...who has warned you to flee from the wrath that is to come?" Matthew 3:7
---Betty on 5/21/09


Deb, we should all be shaking in our boots for the simple reason we are saved. For Steven-rem is right in his statements about God.
One of tools that God uses on His children, those born of the Spirit, to keep us is instituted into the New Covenant for believers,
"And I will make an everlasting Covenant with them, that I will not turn away from doing them good, but I will put My fear in their hearts so that they will not depart from Me."
One of the most important things that keeps us, is that fear of God.
---MarkV. on 5/21/09


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If I believed God hated, was jealous or vengeful, I'd be shaking in my boots.
---Deb on 5/20/09


God is holy and hates sin and sinners. He loves the sinners that repent and become Christians and are led by the Holy Ghost. He knew things about Esau that He hated, so we may as well accept that fact. God is "...not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." 2Peter 3:9
---Betty on 5/20/09


Is your teacher, God?
God bless you all! Keep putting the law before God.
Read 1John 4
You use the word hate and put it before God. Now you put the law before me. But, your to late, I am guilty to this day. The law was made to make you guilty before God. You want to use it, to teach me! What I know, already! I know in my heart one day you will understand the law and how to use it. But it not for me to teach you, try remembering he came for the guilty. Not one of you keeps the law, but you use it as if you do!
Read Mat 23
Take heed that no man deceive you.
Good night!
---TheSeg on 5/20/09


Didn't Esau sell his birthrite? I suspect that might be why God might hate some people. If they are born to be sons of God but instead become sons of the devil, it would make God hate them. Also, God hates the lukewarm. Luke at the church in Revelation that God will spew out of his mouth because they are lukewarm towards Him.
---frances008 on 5/19/09


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If the Bible says God hates some people then it must be true and they must deserve it. God is love but if you think that love will tolerate evil then you do not understand love. Love is written of in 1 Corinthians 13v6 ' does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth'. Iniquity is lies. The first sin came from the lying mouth of Satan in the garden. Lies are from Satan. Believing Satan is from idol-worship/sin/disobedience. God gives us over to a deceiving spirit if we disobey. We cannot blame God for our own spiritual disobedience. Should God love those who give themselves over to the opposite of love/truth? Even if you think He should, God is the boss.
---frances008 on 5/19/09


Yes, God does hate.

Prov. 6:16 "There are six things which the LORD hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood, A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that run rapidly to evil, A false witness who utters lies, And one who spreads strife among brothers."

You need to understand the nature of God. He is all-wise, all-sovereign, all-holy, all-knowing, all-faithful, all-loving, all-powerful, all-just, all-merciful, all-present, as well as these attributes jealous, angry, and vengeful.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/19/09


"Anyone who can believe the lord can hate, simply dose not know or understand him."

I don't mean to pick, and maybe you meant to imply 'people' in your statement, (with which I agree completely) but God hates lots of stuff.
---Pharisee on 5/19/09


do a word study on hatest hateth etc. and repeobate, reprobation
Psa 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity

Psa 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

God's love is ONLY found in the true Christ of the bible, anyone outside of Christ is an abmination.

Christ was sent to redeem a people that is the work the Father gave Him to do and that is what He did and does those people are callled OUT of the world in this regard Rev5:9 and they have already been redeemed the message of the gospel brings them and them ONLY home to repentance and faith
---steven-rem7000 on 5/19/09


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God hated Esau because he was a profane person. He chose wickedness over good. Issac favored Esau but Rebecca favored Jacob.
---tonne on 5/19/09


God is not subject to human emotions. When we say God "loves" or "hates" it an analogy, not a direct description.
---JohnnyB on 5/19/09


I believe its roman 9:13

Anyone who can believe the lord can hate, simply dose not know or understand him. To put it another way, dose not trust the lord.

Would it be safe to say, he came here to save all of us. Yes, I believe it would. Some will say otherwise. So, if he gave his life for us all. How can he hate anyone!

I believe if the lord were to hate anything, it would be lack of faith in him. Kind of not believe he is God. And you know God can do anything! Ha Ha!

At no time did he say it would be easy, God love you.
---TheSeg on 5/19/09


Scriptures would be nice for the "God is love" comment and also the "love the sinner, but hate the sin" comment. Thanks!
---SusieB on 5/18/09


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God does not hate anyone
Hate means = love less

Love the sinner ,Hate the sin
Gabby6487
---Gabby6487 on 5/18/09


I'm not sure that the term "Hate" as used here has a universal meaning. I yield to the more scholarly regarding the definition of hate as used in these references. Is God's hate the same as ours?
---TIMOTHY on 5/18/09


Romans 9:19 (New International Version)

19One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?"

Wrong reference.
---amand6348 on 5/18/09


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