Is Forgiveness Like Trust
No. If you have forgiven, you can think of the offender without anger or bitterness in your heart. With this, there is often the ability to see the person more objectively. If he has proven to be untrustworthy...do not trust him.
---Donna66 on 6/13/09|
When you forgive someone, the only thing it means ABOUT THEM is that you can (almost always) trust that they will repeat their misdeed.
They must apologize to JESUS and be concerned about HIS forgiveness...because YOUR forgiveness is spiritually useless to them (CLOSE FRIENDS will consider your forgiveness to be of PERSONAL/emotional value ONLY).
When a person "causes consequences" so that another person SUFFERS unjustly, the only Godly reaction for them would be to "care that they caused the suffering of the VICTIM" (instead of them wanting to redeem their conscience, only God's SPIRIT can redeem a conscience, Hebrews 9:9).
"purify your conscience" (verse 14).
---more_excellent_way on 6/13/09|
when you forgive someone that does not mean you can ever trust them again.
---tom2 on 5/21/09|
In God we trust. All others pay cash.
---ralph7477 on 5/20/09|
absolutely not.you can forgive,but trust may never happen again.There is only one person you can trust jesus.
---tom2 on 5/20/09|
Does anyone understand what forgiveness is? Forgiveness is not trust. There is some trust involved tho. Forgiveness is you or me agreeing to not use the offence against the offender. This doesn't mean that there is no punishment for the sin/offence. I can forgive someone because they stole from me but that doesn't mean the Sheriff can't put them in jail.
Now you refuse to trust any Pastor because of what one has done. Your problem is bigger than you can bear. You are allowing an offence to affect you negatively. This is causing you to be the offender.
Truly forgive the person who offended you and get on with your spiritual and practial life.
---Elder on 5/20/09|
Bill bila5659 and Pharisee:
Thanks for your advice. I have to admit my failing to "test" the water as far as being able to "trust" my former friend. At the same time, there was an agreement that I was LENDING him money with the expectation that he would REPAY me in full. Our agreement wasn't in writing.
I should have listened to other people who told me that I was dealing with another Pastoral candidate with a "Jim Bakker" personality. My former friend is probably a Pastor now. Fleecing flocks like he did me. I have "forgiven", but my "trust" hasn't come back. I have a hard time "trusting" Pastors now.
---Sag on 5/20/09|
My ex-wife divorced me for reasons that are not mentioned in the Bible. Some sort of psychological trauma or whatever.
I'm still working on forgiving. I don't think that I will ever trust my ex again.
---Augie on 5/20/09|
Ok, Sag . . . we don't need to be paying so much attention to public people who we can gloat over with our judging and keeping on reminding people of them. We need to deal with much more important things . . . about how we ourselves need correction and have failed Jesus' trust - - *every time > we < sin*. Money and televangelists can be decoys to keep our attention elsewhere.
I'd say, we do well to *test* who we trust and how. But we can use trusting to create a relationship, even with ones we know will betray our trust, but using what doesn't matter anyway . . . like how Jesus trusted Judas with the money (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/20/09|
I have to agree with Pharisee on this one. It would largely depend on the situation. You can forgive someone without automatically "trusting" them again. They would have to earn that trust, if they had violated your trust before. The important thing is to forgive, because without that there is no forward movement in your relationship with Jesus Christ. We cannot "love the Lord" while at the same time hating someone who may have wronged us.
---tommy3007 on 5/20/09|
To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?
We're called to Forgive!! Now, When it come to 'Trust', we're to always keep our arm spiritual toward one another and never are we to make it flesh in another man.
Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green, and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.
Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh. Jer.17:5-8
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/19/09|
The Bible doesn't instruct us to trust people. Just to forgive them.
---john on 5/20/09|
In this case I agree with you Seg, you don't need to give him the same trust you once gave him, but if it is true that he has come to you again and sought that you again help him, I would sit down with him and go over what happened and get him to see that he was wrong. Help him understand that he broke his agreement and in turn hurt you.
Your first mistake was expecting repayment.
---Pharisee on 5/19/09|
No. Use your brain. Decide on whether if this is someone you can learn to trust again, or if this is someone you should just avoid.
I agree with the moderator, trust has to be earned over time (if this is someone that you want to trust again, depending on the person and on the offense that they have committed.)
---amand6348 on 5/19/09|
It would be difficult to trust them if they never accepted that they were wrong, nor repented. Forgiveness is something we have to do to others, if we wish to be forgiven ourselves. But we have to realize that we are tares and wheat together on earth, and it would be foolish to trust everyone. I wouldn't trust someone until they have proved they fear God. That does not mean I believe everyone is my enemy, but that the world is a place run and owned temporarily, by Satan.
---frances008 on 5/19/09|
If you forgave a childminder for abusing your child ... would you leave that childminder in charge of your next child?
I suggesat that would be unwise.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/19/09|
I once had a friend who I would consider to be a "Pharisee". I lent him some money and we became enemies because of my nagging him about paying me back. I eventually got some of my money back. Not all. I feel that I have FORGIVEN my former friend, but I don't think that I will ever TRUST him again. He never said that he was sorry and never tried to contact me again.
I told this story to another person at my church. They told me that if I have really FORGIVEN, I must be willing to TRUST. That is my stumbling point. I don't feel that I could TRUST them again.
I think that many other people have had similar incidents with TV preachers. Jim and Tammy Bakker? Oral Roberts?
---Sag on 5/19/09|
It depends on the person and the circumstance.
This seems like a baited question.
---Pharisee on 5/19/09|