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Christian Vegetarians Confused

How do today's Christian vegetarians understand Jesus giving fish to the crowd at the Sermon on the Mount, and presumably eating fish with them?

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Francis-- If Peter's interpretation of the vision had nothing to do with diet, why did he use it to explain why he ate with gentiles?

Act 11:2-3 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him, Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.


Act 11:4-5 But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying, I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners,.....
---Donna66 on 1/16/11


Ac 25:8 Paul argued in his defense, "Neither against the law of the Jews, nor against the temple, nor against Caesar have I committed any offense."
---leej on 1/16/11

LOL you are not as half as smart as you think you are. I just got you to post that paul himself said that he did not teach against the law of the jew ( meaning the laws of God/ Moses)
So by your own posting you undermine all your arghuements against any OT laws LOL LOL
If paul is not teaching against them who is? LOL LOL
you are too easy
---francis on 1/16/11


DONNA here is PETER's OWN interpretation of the VISION:
Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation, but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

1: Peter haf a VISION vision are not real are they?
2: Visions usually need interpretation.
2.5: Jews usually regarded none jews as UNCLEAN
3: Peter gave ONE interpretation which was God said not to call any MAN common or unclean
4: Even in the vision peter NEVER ate

CONCLUSION: This vision has nothing to do with diet, but that God is no respector of person. The vision was used because peter himself did regard gentiles as unclean.
---francis on 1/16/11


francis //I have never seen the phrase JEWISH LAWS in the bible, have you?

Yes, equivalently -

Ac 25:8 Paul argued in his defense, "Neither against the law of the Jews, nor against the temple, nor against Caesar have I committed any offense."

John 15:25 But the word that is written in 'their Law' must be fulfilled: They hated me without a cause.

Ac 23:29 I found that he was being accused about questions of 'their law', but charged with nothing deserving death or imprisonment.

And what is 'their law' but Jewish law?

Sorry Francis, but the only law the Christian is under is known as the LAW OF CHRIST. 1 Cor. 9:21, Gal. 6:2

When are you and Jerry going to come under that law?
---leej on 1/16/11


francis - It is doubtful that Christians would want to believe that Jesus upheld the Levitical dietary laws as He clearly stated that what goes into the stomach does not defile but whatever comes from the heart.Mt.15:17f, Mk. 7:18f

And the Epistles are very clear that one may eat whatever food ones wishes. Romans 14:5f, Col. 2:16

It is a simple common sense matter that if the dietary laws as well as the Jewish Sabbath would have been imposed on Gentile converts, the gospel would have been greatly stifled and the Christian faith would have been remained only as another sect of Judaism.

When are you going to accept the fact that the Christian is to live by faith in the finished work of Christ, instead of by the law?
---leej on 1/16/11




While God knows best, we can garner that from what He tells us in Scripture. And he very clearly does not request of us that we become Jewish and observe Jewish laws.
---leej on 1/16/11
I have never seen the phrase JEWISH LAWS in the bible, have you?
---francis on 1/16/11


Francis, Here is your NT list

Acts 10: 10-15. About Peter
And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter, kill, and eat.
But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
---Donna66 on 1/16/11


francis //I myself believe that God knows best.

Most Christians do not believe that Ellen White was God nor do they beleive she was His voice.

While God knows best, we can garner that from what He tells us in Scripture. And he very clearly does not request of us that we become Jewish and observe Jewish laws.

While Christians will have to answer to God, so will you Hagarites have to do the same.
---leej on 1/16/11


francis//Tell that to God.
God is the one who insisted on people eating clean meats only.

He (Jesus) already addressed that issue in both the gospels of Matthew & Mark as well as in the epistles.

Mark 7:18f And he said to them, Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled? (Thus he declared all foods clean.)

1Co 8:8 Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do.

You are even forbidding to judge others on this issue of foods (Col. 2:16)

So if you want to be in bondage to the law, that is your right.
---leej on 1/16/11


Foods should not be part of our religious beliefs ---leej on 1/15/11

Tell that to God.
God is the one who insisted on people eating clean meats only. It is God and God only who made food a part of religion.

I myself believe that God knows best. Mine is not to question the wisdom of God, but to answetr his call and say AMEN.
---francis on 1/16/11




Foods should not be part of our religious beliefs ---leej on 1/15/11
1 Timothy 4:3 Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which GOD HATH CREATED TO BE RECEIVED WITH THANKSIVING.

1 Timothy 4:5 For it is SANCTIFIED BY THE WORD OF GOD and prayer.

Here is the list SANCTIFIED BY GOD:
Leviticus 11:3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, [and] cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat
Leviticus 11:9 These shall ye eat of all that [are] in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
---francis on 1/15/11


Foods should not be part of our religious beliefs but some have foolishly strayed from the Biblical truth and made it part of their religious beliefs.

"If ever there was a time that the diet should be of the most simple kind, it is now. MEAT should not be placed before our children. Its influence is to excite and strengthen the lower passions...The less feverish the diet, the more easily can the passions be controlled" (Ellen White, Healthful Living, p.217.)

Sorry but meat is NOT an aphrodisiac.
---leej on 1/15/11


Donna66: I agree - we may not want to eat meat, but that is not commanded by the Bible - it would be our personal decision. It is allowed, but not commanded
---Peter on 1/15/11


I do agree with Phil the Elder. Vegetarianism has not one thing, one iota to do with Christianity.If one chooses to eat vegetables and other foods, thats fine. But this is your doing and not the commands in the bible.We cannot set our own standards as Christians. We must follow the doctrines, teachings and ordinances as outlined in God's Word. Jesus Christ taking the lead. Everything revolves around Jesus Christ in Christianity. And by the way. Fish is not considered meat.
---Robyn on 1/14/11


There's no reason not to be a vegetarian, if you think it's healtier, but no way can you justify the idea that it is holier.
---Donna66 on 12/7/10


Geraldine: It depends on the vegetarians......

If someone PERSONALLY prefers not to eat mean because he/she is sorry to have animals killed FOR HOM/HER, fine, do ask he/she feels

If the same person wants NO-ONE to eat meat, there is a problem

We might say that animals, which were created by God, should be treated (in the farm before they are killed) better, as they are also God's creatures
---peter on 12/7/10


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Richard--- Peter was a fisherman by occupation. Their fishing methods in those day were in no way hi-tech. If he considered 153 fishes a "great catch", who am I to argue? After all, without knowing the size of the fish, nor the size of the net
How can YOU know? And what does it matter?
---Donna66 on 12/6/10


Richard -- You can't convince me of something that makes no sense to me and about which information is difficult to find in the USA.

I wish I could convince you that God is a God of both love AND justice... That He loved us so much that He made a way for us to fellowship with Him...dispite the corruptness that marks human life! (or do you think men are not corrupt).Jesus played THE pivotal role in this! HE was interested in everyone,common men, not just those who could spitualize His teachings.
Try reading the readily accessible Gospel of John (written by a close friend of Jesus). Try putting yourself in the place of John and others who knew him firsthand during His stay on earth. You might find it enlightening!
---Donna66 on 12/3/10


Donna, my source is The Logia by J.Todd Ferrier, which is hard to buy in the USA. At one time we were in spirit form but have fallen into physical form,some 200 million years ago but even now it is unnecessary to eat meat. The ancient hebrews had the original teachings but they fell into the hands of the jews who took all the mystic terms and applied them to the jewish race. The God of love became a spiteful figure in the old testament. Re the 153 fishes, which is not a big catch. They represent a beautiful spiritual story, nothing to do with eating flesh. This is my last post. I wish I could encourage you to be Jesus like and not just believe in biblical quotes.
---Richard on 12/3/10


I think Paul did say in the last days men would come in saying to abstain from eating meat which God hath blessed.
(Might be wrong wording but it's too late and I'm in too much pain to check)
---Frank on 12/3/10


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Richard:
The Bible tells that both Peter and John, original disciples of Jesus, were either told to eat "four-footed" things or were given fish to eat by Jesus.

You might find it interesting to actually READ the Bible, instead of just reading ABOUT it. If you consider yourself a "Christian", there's no better source for information about Christ. Compare it with your present "source" (Which is what, by the way?)
---Donna66 on 12/2/10


Strongaxe--

Richard has stated "The evil saurian creations and carnivores were not God created. The betrayers made them...." 12/2/10

We are not speaking to a Bible-believer, here, NOR an observer of nature.
---Donna66 on 12/2/10


Richard:

Who created carnivores like lions and tigers and bears (oh my!)? Presumably God. And when? Presumably before Adam - so they lived in Eden. What did they eat? If it was grass, it's strange indeed, since their teeth are designed for eating meat and not grass - and their stomachs are designed for digesting meat and not grains.

Nature is balanced so that a few carnivores keep many herbivores in check. Years ago in Cleveland there was a major deer population problem due to hunting of wolves as pests. The deer had no natural enemies, so populations skyrocketed - and in winter, there wasn't enough food for them all, so they were starving, falling into rivers and rotting, etc. Carnivores serve a VERY important function in nature.
---StrongAxe on 12/2/10


Richard: The following was written by the apostle John, who was a close friend of Jesus ("The disciple whom Jesus loved")

Jhn 21:9-13 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread.
Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now caught.
Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken.

Jesus saith unto them, Come and dine. And none of the disciples durst ask him, Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord.
Jesus then cometh, and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish likewise.
---Donna66 on 12/2/10


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Thankfully Christianity is a broard church. My gnostic beliefs would have me burnt at the stake 250 years ago. I am responding to this blog because it is inconceivable that Jesus would have eaten the flesh of another creature. You have moved the arguement on a bit. The Acts were written by Luke, who was a friend of Paul. Neither Luke nor Paul knew Jesus nor understood his deeper teachings. That is why the allogorical stories were personalised. One should sacrifice oneself/ones life to God, not a lamb. The waters of truth were turned into the wine of inspiration. It wasn't physical. Jesus wasn't a wine drinker, he was a puritan.
---Richard on 12/2/10


It is NOT understood by all Christians that vegetarianism is God's only approved diet. Strongaxe is right. The present food chain created by God requires some carnivors.
(meat-eaters)

Act 10:11-15 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter, kill, and eat.
But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
---Donna66 on 12/2/10


Richard---Again, Christians believe the Bible, which unequivically states that God created ALL the animals.
---Donna66 on 12/2/10


Well Strongaxe, this world has fallen a long way from its former place of grace and beauty. God is love and created only the loving creatures. The evil saurian creations and carnivores were not God created. The betrayers made them. This world is often a virtual hell, for people with addictions and so forth, and especially for the creatures who have to suffer vivisection in the name of science. There is a choice. One can aspire to a higher consciousness or be like an animal.
---Richard on 12/2/10


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There is no confusion among christian vegetarians about the proper use of meat.
A vegetarian diet is by far a better diet than an animal based diet, providing that one can get all the nutrients.
vegetarianism is NOT a standard of righteousness, or a requirement for salvation.

Is is simply understood by christians as a better choice. It is the original diet given by god,and will be the diet of man IN eternity.
---francis on 12/2/10


If you eat refrain from any specific kinds of foods because you think they are unhealthy, you are making a responsible choice. If you refrain from them because you believe they are evil, or that God forbids you from eating them, you place yourself under bondage to law.

Rod:

If you believe that killing other creatures is evil, ALL of creation is evil. All humans and animals are either carnivores (which makes them evil, since they either kill and eat other creatures, or eat meat from creatures that others kill for them), or vegetarians (which are also evil, since aren't plants creatures too?). Only plants don't kill.

Since that's the way EVERYTHING works, and must work, I wonder where you get the idea that all killing is evil?
---StrongAxe on 12/2/10


The New Testament was written for a purpose by the followers of St Paul, to create a kingdom of God on Earth. But they didn't include the real disiples of Jesus. The point being that if you want to be at one with the divine, as Jesus was, you had to live a pure life in body and deed. The writers of the gospels gave a subtle twist to things so that it appeared that Jesus ate meat and fish and drank like the common people. He didn't. Your intuition should agree with this comment.
---Richard on 12/2/10


Richard -- I don't know what your source is. Mine is the Bible, one of the most thoroughly documented writings in the world. Ancient historians such as Josephus (and others) tend to agree with Biblical accounts.

However, I won't try to tell you what to believe.
---Donna66 on 12/1/10


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Donna, I hold gnostic views such as Jesus and John the baptist being the same person. According to my source Jesus was born a normal birth to the most holy race of people on the planet at that time. His family lived on the purest things available to them.There is no way he would cause any creature to suffer. Doesn't the concept of Jesus wringing a chickens neck rankle with you? When the bible stories were first written it was some 30 years after the death of Christ. Paul wanted to build a broard church. This was hardly likely to happen if people were expected to live accetic lives like the brotherhood of disiples, who had very little to do with St Paul. Jesus represents love. He wouldn't kill a lamb any more than I would. Thank you for replying.
---Richard on 12/1/10


Richard -- I think you meant to say that that Jesus was a "Nazarite", which is doubtful since the scripture does not mention it. He certainly was a "Nazarene" because His home was Nazereth!

The Nazarite vowed (among other things) the following(1) abstinence from unclean foods,wine and strong drink, (2) refraining from cutting the hair during the whole period of the vow, and (3) the avoidance of contact with the dead.

If Jesus was a Nazarite He could not have raised the dead, as He did the son of the Widow of Nain, because He could not have contact with the dead.

There is NO mention of His vow in Scripture, nor shaving his head to end the vow or making the sacrifices required of a Nazarite.
---Donna66 on 11/30/10


It has no baring on one's salvation, status. If vegetables is all they prefer to eat, no meat at all, it's their business. GOD does not care about such do-dads. He is much more interested in more important things. What you eat is not high on God's list of importance.
---catherine on 11/30/10


Jesus ate broiled fish and honey.
---shira3877 on 11/30/10


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Jesus was an essene, a very holy 'race' of people. In fact he was a Nazarene, the most holy of the essenes. He did not eat meat. Think about it. He was pure in thought and deed. Why would he even think about eating the flesh of a living creature?
The reference to fish is about mysteries. On the mount he was revealing mysteries of life to the 'common people.' But they did not understand, hence the return of all the fishes and bread in the narrative. (bread means truths) People like to take these stories literally but they make more sense when you discern the mystical meaning behind them.
---Richard on 11/30/10


Hi Donna, I am the true Rod. Whoever used that last "Rod" post is not me. I'll change my name to Rod4Him in all my following posts.
I guess that's why people use numbers after their name.
That was some off the wall post. I have no idea where it came from, or how my name got on it. Yikes! Thanks for calling me on it.

Rod4Him
---Rod on 9/13/09


Rod--
>>>>any God that murders any creature is a false one.<<<<

What led you this conclusion?
---Donna66 on 9/13/09


Exactly! Which to me proves that Jesus was NOT God, because any God that murders any creature is a false one. I have been struggling with the 'Jesus question' for many years as, quite naturally, it is a central part of my culture (English), but this one argument has killed Christianity stone dead for me. Thank you!
---Rod on 9/13/09


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The vegan lifestyle "is" a matter of style and diet not holiness. My guess is that Christian vegans simply ignore Matthew 5 just as gays ignore Romans 1.
They believe its healthier to pursue the vegan lifestyle and take that choice, which is not a sin.
The error comes when vegans make the diet a religion, judge others who are not vegan or choose the lifestyle after raising animals to the level of human souls.
The Christian lifestyle is one of balance.
---larry on 9/3/09


I think in the matters of thinking christains should think more with heart than the brian. Afterall christianity as I beleive is more to do with heart, and with a very pesonal God who understands a humble heart. Christans ,are challenged to be more like children rather than a stiffnecked allknow guy.

I remember seeing a muslim fellow in TV somewhere in the central africa aflicted by severe famine, crying out to his god for forgiveness, as he was not been able to eat the soup out of rotten caracas of dead animals with thanksgiving prayer.
when poor can be such dsparate situation, does it make any difference if elephant soup or grass soup is on richman's table for discussion.
---rajib_das on 9/3/09


Reading this blog I was reminded of first Timothy,
"1-Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils,

2-Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron,

3-Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which BELEVE AND KNOW the truth."
---mima on 9/2/09


My children like chicken or fish curry,but cannot stand slaughter house.
Our all food originates from live things.But for many thinking pepole,this is a big dilema. So they try in-between solution. Donot eat animals that move around, reproduce offsprings, have almost all organs similar to us, eyes, ears, limbs, stomach, heart etc. Also they protest if you want to kill and eat them.
When my wife brings chiken or fish curry on the table,I have a kind of guilty feelings.At times I try not to eat.
I carry all my life a childhood incident(may be I was 3 or 4),how my parents sold a brown goat to butcher that was raised in our house, and how it was looking back at me standing paralysed on the door step, when dragged away for slaughter.
---rajib_das on 9/2/09


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The Bible makes it plain GOD is concerned with what we eat. It also makes it plain that it is not a test of salvation. It is more about living healthfuly.

The orginal diet given to mankind did not include meat. In the New earth we will not kill or destroy so there will be no meat to eat.

If you decide to fast by not eating meat that is good. But none of us are better then others. We are all sinners and should be working on helping others.
---Samuel on 7/16/09


Mark 12:25
Luke 20:34-36
Matthew 22:30

Matthew 26:53: "Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?"
Angels can exert their influence on the Physical as manifested in that verse, but do they require sleep, water, fruits and vegetables, meat, clothes?
---Nana on 7/15/09


Very funny Nurse Robert, very funny.
I suppose that if some see fish as a stumbling block they should go ahead and be vegans.
However they must be careful to remember this is diet choice and nothing more. There should be no suggestion a vegan is any more holy and those who eat fish or pizza somehow err.
The vegans I know are obsessive about not eating meat and have made the diet choice a kind of gospel to be spread in and out of season as if it were part of the great commission. Ho hum.
---larry on 7/14/09


I need to quote my Grand Pa

There is a place for all of GOD creatures
right next to the potatos and gravy
---willow on 7/14/09


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Whatever people, if you like meat eat it.
---Pharisee on 5/22/09


Absolutely... I had a wonderful roast for dinner tonight, and I gave thanks to God for providing it!
---NurseRobert on 7/14/09


Gina7 - You bring up some very good points. MY point is, those who believe they are still under God's laws should be following them, and not pick and choose which laws to follow. I believe the law ended at the Cross. Therefore, I put myself under grace, not the law. Those who believe they are under God's command to tithe should follow the commands to tithe, which INCLUDES the festival tithe and the three-year tithe. Either follow the law or accept grace. But hypocrites say we must follow God's commands and then pick and choose which ones they will follow, and even then, don't follow them correctly. I am not defending the eating of meat.
---Gary on 7/14/09


There will be no death, no killing in heaven. This means, no animals will be dying in order to place meat on the table in heaven. The original diet given to Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden in Gen 1:29 is the ideal (vegetarian) and we will return to it in heaven. The mostly raw vegetarian diet places the body in an alkaline state where cancer cannot exist, but meat, dairy, sugar, junk food, etc place the body in an acid state where cancer flourishes. Defend meat if you must, but it will be at the expense of your health.
---Gina7 on 7/13/09


Not only is eating meat biblical, it was COMMANDED by God. Deuteronomy 14:23 (NIV): Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the LORD your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the LORD your God always.

This is the festival, or feast tithe. Would God have made such a command to the Israelites if he didn't want them to eat meat?

So the truth is, God COMMANDED those under the law to EAT MEAT. Those of you who believe you are still required to obey the tithing laws need to read you bible.
---Gary on 7/10/09


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It's true that meat has not always been a regular feature in the diets of many people around the world. (Of course, for some people, like native Alaskans, the diet is primarily meat and seldom vegetables). The Lord seems to have created man with the capacity to thrive on many kinds of diets WE don't normally consider "balanced".

In areas of poverty, however, there is a danger of protein deficiency, especially in children. (You've seen pictures of little black babies with blond or red hair and swollen bellies) A small weekly serving of meat, fish or egg is essential for their development.
---Donna66 on 6/25/09


If I decide as a fast to never eat meat again why should you put me down or try to make me change my mind?

If I think it is a good idea I can tell others and explain why I am no longer eating meat but that does not make me more spiritual or better then others.

We should be encouraging each other in following JESUS and caring about others.
---Samuel on 6/25/09


Gina7 the following verses seem to question your answer.
Acts
10And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

11And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

12Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

13And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter, kill, and eat.

14But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common
---mima on 6/23/09


In most of the world--and throughout most of time--meat is not a regular part of the diet.

I'm not pushing doctrinaire vegetarianism, but most dieticians say that Americans eat too much meat and should eat more vegetables.

BTW--the Feeding of the 5,000 and the Sermon on the Mount are two separate events.
---Cluny on 5/25/09


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Amen Sazmuel, if i have a vegetarian in my house as a guest i make it an isue to ghet them all the vegetarian delecacies. moreover i will noty eat meat infront of that br/sis. however all my veggy friends know im a true meatarian. they never ghot embarased in my house over such a thing.
---Andy on 5/25/09


One important part missed is about caring about each other whether you eat meat or do not eat meat. We are to be helping each other encouraging each other. That is the most important part.
---Samuel on 5/25/09


Gina7: "Who was weak? Those eating meat!
Who was stronger and robust? Those eating vegetables!"

I sometimes wonder if anyone on these blogs ever read the bible.

Romans 14
"Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not, and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him."

Christians are christians whether weak or strong.
---Steveng on 5/23/09


The Bible tells me I can eat any meat as long as I give thanks to the Lord for it.
--john 5/20/09

The Bible teaches the original diet given to Adam and Eve was fruit grains nuts and Tree of Life. Once Tree of Life was removed, vegetables (pulse of the field) was substitued.

At time of Flood, due to lack of vegetation, some "clean" meats were allowed to be ate, and the life span of man went from nearly 1000 to 200 in just 4/5 generations!

Lev 11 shows clean and unclean meats and not all meats can be eaten

Acts 10 does not teach that all foods are clean, but that Gentiles should be reached for the gospel "but God hath shewed me that I should not call any MAN common or unclean" verse 28
---Gina7 on 5/23/09


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Vegetarians are weak christians.
---Steveng on 5/20/09
The Message Bible

Passage Daniel 1:14-16:

The steward agreed to do it and fed them vegetables and water for ten days. At the end of the ten days they looked better and more robust than all the others who had been eating from the royal menu. So the steward continued to exempt them from the royal menu of food and drink and served them only vegetables.


Who was weak? Those eating meat!
Who was stronger and robust? Those eating vegetables!
---Gina7 on 5/23/09


"and at the end of 10 days their contenances appeared fairer and fatter in flesh than all the children which did eat the portion of the kings meat. Thus Melzar took away the portion of their meat, and the wine they should drink, and gave them pulse (vegetables). As for these 4 children, God gave them knowledge and skill in all learning and wisdom.." Daniel 1:15-17

4 Vegetarian Men of God.

Daniel, he was visited by the angel Gabriel who said "thou art greatly beloved" Daniel 9:23 Was Daniel "weak" because he ate only vegetables? NO.

Daniel had a clear mind not clouded by the eating of meat. He was able to serve God faithfully and was called "greatly beloved"
---Gina7 on 5/23/09


Act 18:13 Saying, This fellow persuadeth men to worship God contrary to the law.
Act 18:14 And when Paul was now about to open his mouth, Gallio said unto the Jews, If it were a matter of wrong or wicked lewdness, O ye Jews, reason would that I should bear with you:
Act 18:15 But if it be a question of words and names, and of your law, look ye to it, for I will be no judge of such matters.
---TheSeg on 5/23/09


Whatever people, if you like meat eat it.
---Pharisee on 5/22/09


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True there were probably people who ate meat before GOD gave permission to eat to Noah. After all many were doing what was right in their own eyes.

Gen 6:21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather [it] to thee, and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that [are] not clean by two, the male and his female.
---Samuel on 5/22/09


"How do you absolutely know for sure that Adam and Eve were vegetarians? You assume a lot."

Death must occur in order to eat meat and there was no death in the Garden until after Satan tempted Eve. God killed the first animal in order to clothe Adam and Eve, thus death came to the earth for the first time. Now after they were kicked out they most likely ate meat as their sons sacrificed it to God.
---Kellie on 5/22/09


I tried to be a vegetarian for a short while once because I had some weird complex about eating animals being a form of "animal sacrifice".

It did not take long for me to have some serious health issues. When I returned to eating meats, my health was restored.

Of course, I avoid red meats and eat mostly chicken and fish. Actually fish only once a week, and a few ounces of chicken nearly every day.
---obewan on 5/22/09


That's a good question. I used to be a vegetarian, but I stopped being that when I was around people who had no quality vegetarian food (as in not that much protein usually) and I was spending days with them. I know that's no excuse, but yeah.

I would have loved to hear what Jesus would've said to vegetarians, what reasons he would've given them for it being okay to eat meat.
---amand6348 on 5/21/09


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Let's keep in mind that in the garden it was a piece of fruit that was the catalyst to sin and not a T-Bone steak.
---TIMOTHY on 5/21/09


How do non-drinkers understand how Jesus turned water into wine?

Cheers.
---Deb on 5/20/09


In the last days teachers who teach that not eating meat and forbidding marriage will be around. And I surely do see them. The Bible tells me I can eat any meat as long as I give thanks to the Lord for it. If God has blessed it then no one can curse it. Maybe meat is not as good for me as vegetables but I am free to choose and am not allowed to impose diet on anyone.
---john on 5/20/09


Samuel: "Vegetarians just choose a permanet fast to help them get closer to JESUS. Adam and Eve were vegetarians and no permission was given to eat meat until after Noah."

How do you absolutely know for sure that Adam and Eve were vegetarians? You assume a lot.

Vegetarians are weak christians. God gave us everything to eat except, of course, each other.
---Steveng on 5/20/09


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Samuel: "Vegetarians just choose a permanet fast to help them get closer to JESUS."

Where in the KJV bible did you read this?
---Steveng on 5/20/09


If today's "Christian vegetarians" are vegetarians it must be for one of 4 main reasons.
1) they do it for health reasons (it is healthier if done right).
2) they do it for conscience sake (don't like killing animals for food...their right to do so if they want).
3) they do it to honor God (if it is done in a legalistic way then it acually dishonors God).
4) they do it because somehow they have misunderstood a passage in the bible that lays a burden of vegetarianism on the back of believers. (the only worse thing is them trying to bind it on others).

So, IMO, veggies or no veggies are a matter of choice and should be left between the individual and God.

BTW, I'm a member of PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals).
---mike on 5/20/09


Christians have fasted from eating meats and certain foods from the foundation of the Church. The Old Testament has cases of different types of fasting used by followers of GOD.

Vegetarians just choose a permanet fast to help them get closer to JESUS. Adam and Eve were vegetarians and no permission was given to eat meat until after Noah.
---Samuel on 5/20/09


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