Which Millennialism Is Right
In order for there to be pre-trib rapture there would have to be a "secret third coming" of the Lord, to gather the saints together with him in the air then secretly disappear. But that's is not what scripture says.
Everything that happened in the old testament is a shadow of what is to come, that is why it is important to study both. Read about the pleagues on Egypt. Egypt represents the world.
God did not remove the Children of Israel while everything happened around them. God protected and provided for them and they came out of Egypt with all the spoils.
The Pharoah(who represents the god of this world), he and his soldiers were destroyed just as Satan as his demons will be loosed then finally destroyed forever.
---allan on 5/28/09|
jerry6593: "I could believe you, or I could believe Jesus. I think I'll go with Jesus."
What did I write that isn't in the bible?
---Steveng on 5/28/09|
First the idea of the tribulation and the Second coming of JESUS is all premillinealism. But When the church is removed falls into pretribulation. Midtribulation and post Tribulation. All are premillineal.
All pretribulationist teach that people can live or die in the tribulation without accepting the mark of the beast.
I am post tribulationist and Premillineal.
In post millinealism and Amillinealism there is no tribulation period.
---Samuel on 5/28/09|
mima: "Postmillennialism and/or Amillennialism cannot be correct..."
What biblical basis do you have for supposing that 'it would be impossible for a Christian to go through the tribulation period'? Even some versions of premillennialism have Christians going through the Tribulation either in part (mid-trib) or in full (post-trib).
"And I therefore ask you how can a Christian go to hell?"
I doubt postmillenialists, amillenialists, mid-, and post-tribbers think Christians go to hell.
---Bobby3 on 5/28/09|
Steve: "Read prophesy once, but never dwell on it like most christians. Do not worry about tomorrow."
I could believe you, or I could believe Jesus. I think I'll go with Jesus.
---jerry6593 on 5/28/09|
Postmillennialism and/or Amillennialism cannot be correct for the following reason. Both have the individual Christian going through the tribulation period. But it would be impossible for a Christian to go through the tribulation period because to do so one must take the mark of the beast. Anyone who takes the mark of the beast will be lost(go to hell). And I therefore ask you how can a Christian go to hell? No pre-millennialism(the belief that the Christian will caught out (raptured) before the tribulation is the correct choice!!!
---mima on 5/28/09|
jerry6593: "Stevenq: "Don't make living a christian life complicated by thinking/worring about the end-times"
Apparently then, Jesus wasted a lot of words warning us about the end times (c.f, Mat 24)."
On the contrary, they were not wasted words. Read prophesy once, but never dwell on it like most christians. Do not worry about tomorrow. As christians, we know what our duties are. Do an online KJV bibles search for "one another," "each other," and "ecourag." And to spread the gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven and how to get there. If you do these, your salvation is secured.
---Steveng on 5/26/09|
Josef/Bill: I appreciate your helpful responses, in that you both provided brief definitions of each of the three positions regarding the Millenium.
Jerry: I agree that this topic is anything but irrelevant or 'trivial'.
Benny: It is my observation that premillenialism is by far most popular. I've met few who disagree with it. In fact, I was formerly unaware of the other positions, taking for granted that premillenialism was true. I have since come to doubt very much premillenialism upon being exposed to the other two positions. I suggest you investigate all three for yourself.
---Bobby3 on 5/26/09|
Stevenq: "Don't make living a christian life complicated by thinking/worring about the end-times" Apparently then, Jesus wasted a lot of words warning us about the end times (c.f, Mat 24).
The millenium sits squarely between the first resurrection (at Jesus second coming) and the second:
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
---jerry6593 on 5/26/09|
"What is the difference..?"
premillennialism is "the doctrine or belief that the Second Coming of Christ will precede the millennium."
postmillennialism is "the doctrine or belief that the second coming of Christ will follow the millennium.
Amillenialism is "a view in Christian eschatology named for its denial of a future, thousand-year, physical reign of Jesus Christ on the earth."
Which one do you believe and why? Pre-millennial, Why?
Immediately after the tribulation of those days... shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:.. then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:29,30>Rev 5:10
---Josef on 5/25/09|
Don't worry about such trivial debates.
If you simply obey the two commandments Jesus spoke of, you won't need to worry about anything else. Don't make living a christian life complicated by thinking/worring about the end-times, the age of the universe, the tribulation, the rapture, and all the other doctrines made by man.
Most christians know that they need to love God and neighbors, but they don't know HOW. Doing an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," and "encourag" whould be a good beginning. Living a christian life is a 24/7 lifestyle - not a once a week pep talk dished out be denominational "churches."
---Steveng on 5/21/09|
Hi, Benny . . . it looks like pre-mil means the Rapture comes before the millennium. And post-mil means during the thousand years the whole world will become purified to turn to Christ. A-mil means the kingdom of God rules, now, and now is the Millennium and then the Rapture. I go with a post-trib, pre-mil Rapture, as described by Jesus, Himself, in Matthew 24:24-31. But "be ready" (Matthew 24:44), at any time . . . since we could *die* anytime, and so we need to be ready always to die right so we are ready to be raptured from the dead. And be preparing for how God is able to get us through anything, at all. After all, sinners will make it through the trib. So, surely we can . . . with our Father (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/21/09|
I don't know the differences and I don't care. If it has to do with the rapture, I don't really care whether he is raising up the bodies before or after we go to heaven, as long as I get there.
---amand6348 on 5/21/09|