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Tracking Penguins From Space

According to CNN, scientists today are tracking penguins from space by looking for their poop in the Antarctica. Is this Biblical or an invasion of animals rights?

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Cool, I get the last reply so I am going to answer the question which most avoided. Yes, it is Biblical because man is suppose to care for the creation. No it isn't an invasion of animal rights as the scientists are studing the penguins so the penguins can be better understood and protected.
---Alan on 6/11/09


Betty, I'm sorry I said apple, I will say fruit for your sake.
Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her, and he did eat.
3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked, and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
I know you've read the Bible, but this is clear.
---MIchael on 6/11/09


strongaxe- Can you say it enough? What is your problem? Reading your paragraph with its vile connotation did not edify nor did it administer grace to the readers. Are you a Christian or a Vulgarian?
---Betty on 6/11/09

Betty, I have to respectfully disagree. Strongaxe is trying to clarify just what your concerns are. You won't answer the question so, unfortunately, we have to make assumptions.
---NurseRobert on 6/11/09


Betty:

I am a Christian. However, it never ceases to amaze me how many Christians can swallow camels, but choke on gnats. Why do you get so upset when people speak about things that the Bible ITSELF speaks about? Would you advocate that those passages be removed, or even that the whole Song of Solomon be removed because it is too erotic?
---StrongAxe on 6/11/09


Betty has a problem with "excrement", but has no problem with demons being all over the place. Go figure!
---SusieB on 6/11/09




We are supposed to keep put our minds on heavenly things, not earthly things, so we can be known as the children of light instead of the children of darkness. Even babies know what filthiness is - they cry to have their diapers changed. Can't you foolish adults get over it, or do you want to wear your filthiness & speak your vile thoughts? If your minds are submitted unto Jesus Christ, you won't find pleasure in vulgar conversation. The Bible says lay aside all filthy conversation.
---Betty on 6/11/09


strongaxe- Can you say it enough? What is your problem? Reading your paragraph with its vile connotation did not edify nor did it administer grace to the readers. Are you a Christian or a Vulgarian?
---Betty on 6/11/09


Betty:

By saying "no", I assume that you don't object to tracking the penguins (and thus "violating their right to privacy"), but you HAVE been constantly objecting in this blog - so I can only conclude that your objection is to the single word "poop" in the topic. If it is to something different about the topic that you have found objectonable, please clarify.
---StrongAxe on 6/11/09


Thank you, Susie.. Being a nurse certainly has its rewards. But then, we do deal with a lot of "excrement!"..
---NurseRobert on 6/10/09


NurseRobert...You are so funny. I'm right now thinking of all the "vulgar" things that you deal with on a daily basis as a nurse. I'm sure you constantly use only scientific and medical terms to refer to them. Bless you for the work that you do Brother.
---SusieB on 6/10/09




Betty, You really need to relax a little bit. There has been no filth here, perhaps the question should have said
"excrement" instead of "poop". If you are so easily offended, how can you read all of the Bible when in the Scriptures(KJV) it speaks of "killing everyone that 'pisseth' against the wall."? We do need to be Holy as our Lord and Saviour is Holy, but, really, do we need to be "legalistic?
---tommy3007 on 6/10/09


michael- Where does it say they ate an apple? Do you think they had a spell on them making them unaware they were naked until they ate the fruit? Could it have been they were clothed with a light that they lost as soon as they ate the fruit? When the covering of light left they knew they were naked. God referred to nakedness as shame all through the Bible.
---Betty on 6/10/09


Before Adam & Eve sinned they were clothed in garments of light. After they ate the fruit, the light left them & they were naked.--Betty
I must point out where you do err.
Adam and Eve before they ate the apple:
Genesis 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
This verse also comes to mind and is put forth with no malice, but in something we should all strive for:
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
---MIchael on 6/10/09


donna- strongaxe was the one who said it was one single word that sidetracked the whole blog. I suppose he meant that I called one word vulgar. But it was more than one.

strongaxe- No.
---Betty on 6/10/09


NurseRobert - LOL - I am with you on this one.
---Moderator on 6/10/09


Betty--- If was "not one single word", perhaps you could explain just WHAT made it vulgar. It sounds like many here are genuinely puzzled by your response.

The penguins were tracked for some legitimate purpose, I assume (silly, wasteful, expensive method in my view). The method undoubtedly works because animal waste radiates a certain amout of heat that can be detected from space.
---Donna66 on 6/10/09


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Moderators...

The old NurseRobert really wants to respond to this...

The new and improved NurseRobert is just silently shaking his head....
---NurseRobert on 6/10/09


Betty:

Would you have objected if it was an issue of tracking penguins from space by the color of their fur, or by their effect on the fishing in their area?
---StrongAxe on 6/10/09


strongaxe- It was not one single word.


michael- Before Adam & Eve sinned they were clothed in garments of light. After they ate the fruit, the light left them & they were naked. In the Kingdom of God on earth in the future, it will be "And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly." 1Corinthians 15:49 Sounds like what Adam & Eve had at first. Do body functions need to be mentioned at all among total strangers? Isn't it just an urge some have to be naughty Christians?
---Betty on 6/10/09


susieb- Say it like it is. My hate for the vulgar because I know God means for us all to let no corrupt communication proceed out of our mouths, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace to the hearers. Ephesians 4:29. We are supposed to lead sinless lives, and not glory in sin, but forsake sin.
---Betty on 6/10/09


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Betty:

God uses 'vulgar' (your term) words precisely when such words are necessary, no more, and no less. We are not obsessing about vulgar words - we are just pointing out that God uses them in the Bible, so if we are above ever using such words, we are trying to be more holy than God is.

Yet you are having a cow over the use of ONE single vulgar word - and that word is used precisely because it necessary. Of the past 36 posts on this blog, 3 have ACTUALLY been about the topic, 29 have been about "Betty thinks this is vulgar", and 4 have been about how funny that is. That is, 91+% of the posts have gotten sidetracked over ONE SINGLE WORD!
---StrongAxe on 6/9/09


Betty, It is true that some words in the Bible have been taken out of context and used in an inappropriate manner, which then makes them corrupt. Remember, God clothed Adam and Eve's nakedness AFTER they had sinned. The first sacrifice had to be made because of their sin to obtain the skin in which to clothe them. The Bible does speak of filthy conversation, but I don't think that mentioning normal body functions in it's proper and appropriate context applies here.
Please reconsider what you would consider filthy and corrupt. There is alot worse out there and our standard should always remain Biblical. May God bless us all..
---MIchael on 6/9/09


Betty...Careful! Your self-righteousness is showing.
---SusieB on 6/9/09


susieb- I have read all of the Bible. Your mind stopped on the vulgar words, mine kept looking for the truth of the gospel, which is not about body functions. When God was angry at some filthy no-good people, He may have used words like they used to find out what they thought of it before or when He cursed them. He is holy and He hates vulgarness. Jesus said don't even say 'you fool'. By your words you shall be justified & by your words you shall be condemned, Jesus said. We should never let corrupt words come from our mouths. God wants holiness at all times. Psalm 19:14, "Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD...."
---Betty on 6/9/09


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alan- Why is that? I didn't go looking for every vulgar word I could find and write it out on this blog, and I didn't go looking for filth. Corrupt speech is not Christian. God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not some of the guys, who enjoy indecency. They are holy, and that's it. There is more to Christian living than some people realize. Holy, Holy, Holy Lord God Almighty. Psalm 50:23 "Whosoever offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I show the salvation of God."
---Betty on 6/9/09


strongaxe- Don't put your faults off on me. Are you right to defend any vulgar words ?Vulgar means morally crude. Those words you all want to defend are vulgar and you all want to fan them around on this blog as if you're offering praise to God. God killed many people-would you accuse Him of being a murderer since some of you accuse Him of loving & approving vulgar talk? You pro-vulgar people reallly need the Holy Spirit to lead you & guide you. Find out if He likes crudity.
---Betty on 6/9/09


darlene- I wonder over your mind. The Bible says to lay aside all filthy conversation. Also Philippians 4:8 says, "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are...pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report, if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things." What virtue and what praise is in using vulgar words about body functions that are supposed to be private? God created man and woman without physical clothes, but He told them their nakedness was a shame, and to cover themselves. Is. 47:3, Rev 3:18, Is. 20:4. Colossians 3:8 "But now ye also put off all these, anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth."
---Betty on 6/9/09


TY for the giggle Alan!!
---NV_Barbara on 6/8/09


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The discussion on this blog reminds me of the "Rorschach Test". This test usually exposes the over emphasis of any subject on the mind.
---mima on 6/8/09


Betty:

You accuse Michael of digging through the Bible looking for filth. What this implies is that you believe that the Bible ACTUALLY CONTAINS filth. Remember who wrote the Bible. Are you saying that God's mind is filthier than yours?
---StrongAxe on 6/8/09


Betty ... If you look for filth, you will find it, even create it in your own mind.

I remember a story about this woman, who complained to the police about some young boys bathing naked in a stream near her house. So the police made them move further away, & she said she could still see them from her attic window. They were moved on again, and she still complained because if she stood on a chair, she could still see them through her telescope.

You remind me of her.
---alan_of_uk on 6/7/09


Betty....If you think there are no vulgar terms in the Bible, you have definitely never read the Old Testament. Try reading that out loud to in front of someone else and see if you don't think some of the words are vulgar. I do not think you have ever read it. This blog is nothing compared to the Lord's comparision of Israel with a harlot.
---SusieB on 6/7/09


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Betty, dear sweet Betty,
2 of those verses was God talking as in 'Thus saith the Lord'.
Like I said there are many examples of this.
I can't believe you would be saying that what Jesus and the Lord say are filth or that anything in the written Word of God is filth, so you must mean something else.
apparently I am missing the point of your discussion about this, I must apologize for not understanding.
---MIchael on 6/7/09


Betty do you realize if you hadn't made a fuss about what people were saying,using the word "poop",they would have answered the question and that would have been the end of it. No one has talked filthy from what I read. You would have fainted to see what my Grandmothers generation,a hundred years ago,called the same waste product of birds,animals,or humans. There's nothing dirty talking about a function of the body that God himself put in every living creature. There's nothing evil about all normal functions of the body. I realize some parents taught normal functions are nasty,the children grew up burdened with the same opinion,making life more complicated than it is. Everything about God's creation is beautiful and wondrously wrought.
---Darlene_1 on 6/7/09


Hi Betty, you talk all the time about "hate" and hell, do you know anything about, oh, I don't know, LOVE?
---Mary on 6/7/09


michael- You dug through the Bible to find filth, is it right? Shouldn't you have done this- look for something to edify the others and me instead of drawing our minds away from God and His holiness? You want us all to focus on filth instead. Dastardly men and women angered the Lord and He sent their words back to them. Do you find He is happy with them or angry when you read those scriptures? A donkey was called an ____ then, but these days it means something else, doesn't it? Father God is holy and good. Jesus Christ would never want to talk that way to Him and you'd better never do it. or Jesus will find fault with you. Humble yourself before the Lord. Jesus hates people who hate Him.
---Betty on 6/7/09


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Elder: Ahh, you are an inspiration to us all! You scale the heights of inanity with aplomb. My humor bucket is never full enough. Thanks.
---jerry6593 on 6/7/09


Betty--

Any term for excrement is acceptable (even to God) when it actually REFERS to excrement! Otherwise we could never mention a perfectly normal human function. We couldn't even "potty-train" a toddler!

The terms here in this blog describe a fact of nature.

What you are thinking of, the kind of "vulgar words" you mention, may be the exact same words...only applied to something that is NOT excrement. (e.g." oh,----! or you ---- head!" Such words, inappropriately used as an explative or an insult... these are not pleasing to the Lord.

How the word is USED makes the difference.
---Donna66 on 6/6/09


LOL! Elder, bless you! :D You gave us a refreshing relief on this blog! :D
---Mary on 6/6/09


Very nice answer, Alan. I was about to say the same thing.

Why are people up in arms about a little poop. All animals do it, every person does it.
As a nurse, I have to deal with it everyday. And may I say it. I have no doubt that Jesus did it too!

Come on people. We all do it. Think how you would feel if you didn't do it!

That said, this is a very strange question.
---NurseRobert on 6/6/09


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Ah.... "Animal rights."
That explains why the homeless sooner dog is suing our county. The county went through and painted all of the red fire hydrants silver. The poor dog thought they had electrified them. He was afraid to use them like before. He almost burst at the seams.
There is also the hound dog, Duke, that is suing Jed Clampet for saying, "Well... doggies." Duke said, "It's a racial statement that has caused distress and marital discomfort." You know Duke sued his wife for divorce and went off with a poodle that he got out of a puddle from the sooner dog.
Cat on a hot tin roof has been charged with trespassing.
Now I understand why some folks call lawyers dirty dogs.......
---Elder on 6/6/09


Betty ... may I suggest you visit the "How to blog on ChristiaNet" blog?

You berate me for being wicked and filthy and foul.

Please tell me why?

And why do you not attack others such as StrongAxe and SusieB and Timothy?

I have not even used the word of which you are complaining ... that was the the other Alan, the one who asked the original question.

I am the Alan who always goes by the name ...
---alan8566ofuk on 6/5/09


Genesis 22:5 And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass, and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you.
Exodus 29:14 But the flesh of the bullock, and his skin, and his dung, shalt thou burn with fire without the camp: it [is] a sin offering.
1 Samuel 25:22 So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that [pertain] to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.
Leviticus 15:16 And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even.
These are only a small portion of the myriad of examples of the Bible using so called 'dirty' words in their proper context.
---MIchael on 6/5/09


alan- I told you God sees this mess on this blog. He does not like it. He is holy. Even his Name is holy. He is not like you and your friends. He wants you to be holy, too, and stop being wicked. Love the Lord and give up sanctification not. *******Read All About It.******* The Lord lives that made Heaven and earth. Jesus Christ is holy also, not just one of the guys like you think He is. Holy, holy, holy Lord God Almighty.
---Betty on 6/5/09


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Betty ... which Alan are you addressing, and why is it only one Alan not the other Alan, nor StrongAxe, nor SusieB, nor Mary?

"It is positively foul for Christians to lust for vulgar words" ... What do you say then about the Bible, bearing iun mind StrongAxes statistics? And it is quite filthy of you to suggest that any of us are so lusting.

And, please, what has been said that has been filthy?

Could the question have been worded talking about "penguins' fertiliser"?

As I said before, you are the only one who has seen "dirt". I will now add, "I wonder why"
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/5/09


alan- It is dirty. It is positively foul for Christians to lust for vulgar words. Put aside all filthy conversation.

Colossians 3:8 "But now ye also put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemey, filthy communication out of your mouth."

God sees this filthy mess. Be ashamed, wicked Christians.
---Betty on 6/5/09


susiebgood- I've read all of the Bible, and holy living is what God taught us, not vulgarness. 1Peter 1:15-16 "But as He which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation, Because it is written, Be ye holy, for I am holy."
---Betty on 6/5/09


Betty:

While you (and many others) may think that our bodily functions are "dirty", perhaps you should remember that God himself created our bodies to rely on such bodily functions in the first place. And as far as talking about them, the Bible itself uses the word "dung" 34 times, and the word "piss" 8 times to refer to such functions. If God himself is not above using such words, we would be presumptuous to think of ourselves as being holier than God is by avoiding them.
---StrongAxe on 6/5/09


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Betty...If you think this blog is vulgar, read the Old Testament!
---SusieB on 6/4/09


Betty ... Nothing "dirty" has been mentioned on this blog, either by the first Alan who posted the question, nor by any subsequent contributor.

You are the only one who has seen "dirt".
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/4/09


alan, marylemon, etc.- What? Jesus Christ is holy, pure & undefiled, mary. Unneccessarily talking about dirty things is not keeping our conversation pure. I'm sure He is not amused when people think, write, & talk about things that are not wholesome, pure, and undefiling. alan, the word you wonder about is fertilizer. Ephesians 4:29-30 "Let no corrupt conversation proceed out of thy mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." God said, "Be thou holy, for I am holy."
---Betty on 6/4/09


Tracking penguin poop is somehow related to spying on Christians??? The grassy knoll is certainly congested today.
---TIMOTHY on 6/4/09


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Neither Biblical nor invasion of animal "rights". Nor is it NEWS (even if it is true). Who cares? Not most people. Not the penguins! Can't they find anything more important to report?
---Donna66 on 6/3/09


The Bible mentions raising and breeding livestock, which involves a lot more intimate details about animals' private lives than viewing dung heaps from tens of thousands of miles away.

Animals' rights? In the Bible, animals have no rights - humans are given dominion over them, and we can eat them, and make clothes out of them, etc. Also, animals generally don't have any real sense of privacy - if they use their own excrement to publicly mark territory so that other animals can know that they're there, I can hardly imagine that they would mind if someone far away was looking at it.

Who asks these questions anyway?
---StrongAxe on 6/3/09


"Vulagar Christians! WWJS"--Betty

I think for one, Jesus wouldn't suck on lemons and have no sense of humor whatsoever.
---Mary on 6/3/09


Betty ... What has been vulgar on this blog?

There has been reference made to the means by which the penguins are being tracked. That presumably is fact Is it vulgar to mention it?

We can't always use euphemisms ... because then it would take a long time to explain what they meant.

Is the way organic farmers make their land more fertile vulgar? How could it be described without using a certain word?
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/3/09


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Vulgar Christians. WWJS?
---Betty on 6/3/09


They track people the same way, but ya don't hear any of them penguins questionin' if it's Biblical... or an invasion of human rights, now, do ya?
---BruceB on 6/3/09


"Animals mark their territory with their excrement and seem to get upset if ANY other creatures "walk on", "fly over", "look at", etc. their private territory"

I don't think so!!

Most non-vegetarian animals are only too please when other animals come into their territory, because they are prey.

And my friends dog is very pleased when I come into its territory, because it jumps with joy, knowing it may get a walk.

And I am pleased when my cat comes into my territory to get her ears tickled.
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/3/09


Ya gotta wonder if some people have any life at all. What next, a penguin poop crisis?
---jerry6593 on 6/3/09


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\\ You gotta "think" like an animal in order to answer this question. I'm assuming that because penguins are animals, they must "think" like dogs and cats do.\\

I suggest that penguins think like penguins think, not like dogs or cats.

And I've seen a cat clearly trying to decide whether to come into the house or go after a dead bird she had brought me which I had thrown into the yard. (She decided she wanted the bird.)


\\From an animal's point-of-view, this is a violation of their rights. \\

Animals don't have rights.

Rather, we have responsibilities towards them.
---Cluny on 6/2/09


Betty: "slam on the brakes before you hit the walls of hell"??!! It was just an amusing question the poor asked is all.
---Mary on 6/2/09


Thinking about thsi question further, I am drawn to Genesis 1 v 26, by which God gives us dominion over the animals, and gives us the responsibility to care fro them.

So finding out more about them is not anti-Biblical.

Nor does it seem wrong to discuss the issue here, since we seem to be talking about our responsibility for the penguins.
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/2/09


Alan:
It's a serious situation, and requires you to buy a shovel, attain transportation to the Antarctic, and resolve it. However, the more serious problem is the plethora of satellites that are being used by unscrupulous governments to spy on you and me.
Romans 1:21-32, 2Timothy 2:23-26, Titus 3:9, 14.


---Glenn on 6/2/09


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Alan:

I hope that you don't get mad at me for admitting that I am laughing uncontrollably at your question.

Here at the public library, the security guard is on his way over to talk to me. I can't resist telling him what I'm laughing about.

I don't think that this type of research is either Biblical or wrong. It is just research work. And no, I don't think that that is any type of violation of animal rights. Thanks for giving me a good laugh!
---Augie on 6/2/09


Betty ... I did not post this question. Had I done so, I would have used my usual name....
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/2/09


You gotta "think" like an animal in order to answer this question. I'm assuming that because penguins are animals, they must "think" like dogs and cats do.

Tracking animals from outer space isn't "right" or "wrong" according to the Bible. It is all just part of human beings researching planet Earth, which was given to us as a gift by God. I don't think that God has any problem with our checking out his wonderful gift to us.

From an animal's point-of-view, this is a violation of their rights. Animals mark their territory with their excrement and seem to get upset if ANY other creatures "walk on", "fly over", "look at", etc. their private territory.
---Sag on 6/2/09


alan of- Are you responsible for this blog question? WWJS? Whatever alan you are, you ought to be ashamed of yourself using that question on a Christian website. You are out of control: slam on the brakes before you hit the walls of hell. Penguins mind their business and people ought to leave them alone. Scientists that want to waste time and money on such projects ought to be in the unemployment line or somewhere really doing some decent work.
---Betty on 6/2/09


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Interesting blog, the subject is about the progress that men are making in the scientific fields of space. Certainly we will see much much more of this type of thing. Should the Lord tarry tracking knowledge of every human being on the face of the earth will be available to the ruling powers, and I'm not talking about the powers of God but rather the powers of darkness!!!
---mima on 6/2/09


Hi, I'm on disability but if I did work, I wouldn't want my job to be looking for poop!! :D :D
---Mary on 6/2/09


Biblical? Invasion of animal right? This is probably the funniest question I have ever seen on these blogs. My answer is, "Here's a quarter! Call someone who cares!"
---SusieB on 6/2/09


It certainly isn't Biblical ... nor is blogging ... neither is memntioned in the Bible.

That does not make it wrong.
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/2/09


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Alan, is your contrast of Biblical issues with animal rights intended to be tongue-in-cheek?
---Cluny on 6/2/09


Let's get the facts straight. The article I read said that the scientists who live at the British Antarctica study center found BY ACCIDENT, that the colonies of penguins were so large, and that they stayed in one place for so long that their solid waste caused stains large enough to be seen from satellite images of where they were. That is a bit different in meaning than the wording of the original question.

These scientists are doing research on the entire continent of Antarctica, and the penguins are part of that ecosystem.
---Trish9863 on 6/2/09


It is a waste of tax payers dollars...who cares!
---TIMOTHY on 6/2/09


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