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An abortion doctor was recently killed. The media is representing him as a devout Christian. Would a devout Christian do late-term abortions?

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Betty,

The same destination we all had/have if we don't repent! It's amazing how folks think they can be forgiven but others can't. All sin leads to death, not just abortion.
---KellieB on 6/10/09


Some of you say don't judge. We can't. God has. But we are able to state our opinions. Furthermore, Jesus said judge righteous judgment.

Some still overlook this also:

Matthew 18:6 Jesus said, "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in Me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."
---Betty on 6/10/09


strongaxe 6-6-09- If you and some of the others had the Holy Spirit, you'd understand what a devil that doctor was, and what his probable destination was if he did not repent.
---Betty on 6/10/09


trav:

Perhaps you should review Romans 13:1-7 that commands us to be subject to the Higher Powers. Note that God didn't command Moses to stand up to Pharoah until MUCH later in his life. Remember, God put Pharoah there in the first place. Whether Pharoah made responsible use of that power is another matter entirely, but that was between God and Pharoah, not between Moses and Pharoah (at least not until God told him it was).
---StrongAxe on 6/10/09


The lawful ruler of the country (Pharoah) wanted to justly punish him for this murder (a life for a life). Moses, rather than submit to lawful authority and take responsibility for his crime, fled into the desert.
---StrongAxe on 6/9/09

Lawful. My foot. GOD made/makes the laws. For HIS People. Is Ra EL (Ruling with GOD).

Moses came back and rearranged Pharoahs ENTIRE world/ERETS, with GOD's hand & total permission.

FATHER...this bully/Tare is terrorizing the neighborhood. FATHER says....not anymore.
THANKS FATHER!
---trav on 6/10/09




trav:

Right. Moses had done something wrong (he had committed a murder - an extreme overreaction to a slave being unjustly beaten). The lawful ruler of the country (Pharoah) wanted to justly punish him for this murder (a life for a life). Moses, rather than submit to lawful authority and take responsibility for his crime, fled into the desert.
---StrongAxe on 6/9/09


trav:
These were "legitimate" simiting of unbelievers.

I was speaking about Moses murdering an slavedriver for beating a fellow Hebrew (then fleeing into desert out of guilt), StrongAxe on 6/8/09
I knew exactly what you referred to.
Glad you believe in "legitimate".
know that Davids first born son taken away by GOD for his act. Wonder what Doc will have taken away....for murder of thousands. Not for us to decide. Glad he is gone though.

There is a place where in defense/family threat you would kill as well. If you are human.

Moses fled...in fear of his life.
Ex 2:15 Now when Pharaoh heard this thing, he sought to slay Moses. But Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh,
---trav on 6/9/09


Today's news reports that the doctor's family has decided not to reopen the medical clinic or be associated in any other medical facilities. Praise the Lord!
---SusieB on 6/9/09


"Susie: I do not know. That is not for me, nor you, to say. Jesus commanded me to love him regardless of his career. I am not sure what He commanded you to do. It seems you have decided to help God do His job and condemned the doctor."
---Trish9863 on 6/5/09

Actually, Trish, I remarked in an earlier post that the killer of the abortion doctor may have prevented the doctor from repenting of his sins and accepting Jesus Christ. I also hope that he had a chance to do the same just before he died. No one knows except him and God. I also hope that the killer of the doctor repents of his sin and accepts Jesus Christ. I don't want to see anyone go to hell, but I can't make the choice for them.
---SusieB on 6/8/09


trav:

I was not speaking about Moses when he drowned Pharoah's armies in the Red Sea, or when David slew tens of thousands of Philistines. These were "legitimate" simiting of unbelievers.

I was speaking about Moses murdering an slavedriver for beating a fellow Hebrew (and then fleeing into the desert out of guilt), or David putting Uriah in harm's way to cover his adultery. In both these cases, they knew where the line was, but crossed WAY beyond it for no exalted purpose. They paid deeply for this, but God was able to redeem them anyway.
---StrongAxe on 6/8/09




It does not really matter how the media represent this doctor. Only what God thinks. The media makes their money on what they present to the public and so on. They may say anything. This doctor's life was taken. He was a human as we are. God have mercy on him and his family. He was a mortal man not above making mistakes, as we all do. His family is grieving,his kids loved their dad. I am sure he had a wife. If we as christians,could look at this and read I Corinthians chap 13 we can move to another level in Christ and then we can truly say: I am a Christian. How many on this blog, can take this challenge today? I will. God bless to all.
---Robyn on 6/8/09


There are people in our neighborhoods and surrouding areas who kill and do heinous things everyday. This doctor had a terrible profession aborting babies. There are many reasons, I am sure, for abortions, but not in late term. If a woman made it through to late term pregnancy, seems as though she would be able to birth this baby. I am not a doctor, so I do not know all of the facts involved. This is why we should not and are not in a position to really judge others.God is very wise ane merciful. He tells us not to judge for very good reasons.We just don't see the whole picture. He(God) does. Leave the judging to him.He does not make mistakes.
---Robyn on 6/8/09


"Would professings christians in USA see George Bush as a mass murderer?"
---Janze on 6/7/09

I actually do, and only because I believe there was no justification for Iraq. Afghanistan on the other hand is a different story, our nation was attacked, and while that was one justified option for dealing with it, it wouldn't have been my choice.

Infiltrate, assassinate. Bin Laden goes bye bye. He'd of been a lot easier to find then he is now. Al Queda is no threat in a USA they're locked out of, and we spent an awful lot of money just to see minor victories against one organization while the rest of the Muslim world places more contempt upon us then ever before. The money spent could have closed our borders up nicely.
---Pharisee on 6/8/09


You know, I read much of the comments about the murder of the doctor who performed abortions, and not surprisingly, the very good professing christians can only see what the doctor did as wrong. Nevertheless, the wanton killing of any human being is murder and murder is outside of the Will of God.

Now, I know that when terrorists kill anyone, that it is murder. Well, more than a million people were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan at the direction of George Bush, and the deaths include men, women and children. Would professings christians in USA see George Bush as a mass murderer?
---Janze on 6/7/09


Remember, both Moses and David were murderers, and just see how God dealt with them - they became two of the greatest prophets and/or kings of Israel.
---StrongAxe on 6/5/09

Well, StrongAxe...you picked two of the best examples of Is-ra-EL,"Men" of YAH who knew exactly where the line was. It was not murder to kill dogs. A nation allowing murder of "children".... we may all (christians) be called into account for.
Rejoice one butcher's knife is quiet.

Each one of you bleeding hearts should look at your mother, your children, your grandchildren and thank GOD you didn't fall under the pliers of this dog.
---trav on 6/7/09


Alexis -- There are quite a few churches that would willingly accept an abortionist. I won't name the denominations, but chances are there are some in your community. (probably most bloggers here do not attend them) These are people that place the absolute liberty of the mother, an adult, above the life of her child, an unborn fetus. They would express it as the value of a life vesus the value of a "potential" life.
---Donna66 on 6/7/09


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Sometimes this seems like a "lynch-mob" mentality.
Well there are two sides to this story.
Many women's lives have been saved by early detection and abortion!
Remember the days when backroom abortions done with a coat-hanger killed more than a few!
Late term and using abortion as a birth control method is dead wrong!
Pythagorean words of the Hippocratic oath are "Above all, do no harm"!
---1st_cliff on 6/7/09


Amen Jerry6593!
---KellieB on 6/6/09


I'd like to know what kind of church would put such a spin on the gospel that they would accept a serial murderer like this unrepenitant abortion doctor into their membership in the first place? And for those who claim to be Christian (followers of Christ) and say abortion is ok, I'd like to know if you could be involved with one with Jesus standing right beside you? And I'd also like to know if your being a fetus in the past made you any less of a person? The man who murdered the Dr was wrong to do so and take things into his own hands.
---Alexis on 6/6/09


Phil: "When it has breathed the Breath of Life [Gen 2:7] it is Finished Goods. But until then it is just Work In Process."

Was John the Baptist a "work in process" when he leaped for joy in Elizabeth's womb at the appearance of Mary with Jesus in her womb?

Would abortion have an been acceptable option for Mary? After all, she was pregnant out of wedlock. I for one am glad that Mary was pro-life!
---jerry6593 on 6/6/09


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The old testament does not equate abortion with murder. In fact, in Exodus 21:22, if two men fight and one accidentally causes a pregnant woman to miscarry, he is not guilty of murder - it is a civil tort in which the offender must pay what a judge determines.
---StrongAxe on 6/6/09

Key word here is accidentally, there's nothing accidental about an abortion, they say it themselves in their own words "we are pro-choice"
---Pharisee on 6/6/09


When it has breathed the Breath of Life [Gen 2:7] it is Finished Goods. But until then it is just Work In Process.
---Phil_the_Elder on 6/5/09

Does God treat you that way? Until you're translated into the kingdom the down payment of Spirit doesn't count?

Why not? According to your logic it's perfect sense. Psalm 139: 13-16 shows God is tenderly involved in the creation process, and in Ecclesiastes it is written "whatsoever God doeth it is forever" so you're not gonna tell me he did this and it's a waste in his eyes. You can rationalize the destruction of God's work anyway you like Mr Buddy boy, but it's bogus!
---Pharisee on 6/6/09


I am against any type of violence, but the Bible says that you will reap what you sow, that is a spiritual law and i pray for forgiveness for the things I have sowed and judge myself, because I may not like the harvest...These baby killers all know they are doing wrong because have you ever known of one to broadcast that they are abortionlist, I don't think they put that heading on their door or their name on the outside of their clinics where they perform these murders.. I think they are really ashamed of what they do,but for the love of money the continue. God loves them anyway and we need to pray for them that they will repent and turn to God.
---cathy on 6/6/09


Would a devout Christian do late-term abortions?
---Michael on 6/6/09


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Betty and SusieB:

You arguments would have merit, if abortion was such a much more heinous sin than lying to the Holy Spirit (in the case of Ananias and Sapphira) and others. Yet I doubt that you could find any scriptural support for that.

The old testament does not equate abortion with murder. In fact, in Exodus 21:22, if two men fight and one accidentally causes a pregnant woman to miscarry, he is not guilty of murder - it is a civil tort in which the offender must pay what a judge determines.
---StrongAxe on 6/6/09


Susie: I do not know. That is not for me, nor you, to say. Jesus commanded me to love him regardless of his career. I am not sure what He commanded you to do. It seems you have decided to help God do His job and condemned the doctor.
---Trish9863 on 6/5/09


I have to agree with Trish and Strongaxe. Supposedly Jeffrey Dahmer got saved before he was killed. Although it is interesting that both he and the doctor were murdered as "He who lives by the sword will die by the sword."
---KellieB on 6/5/09


When it has breathed the Breath of Life [Gen 2:7] it is Finished Goods. But until then it is just Work In Process.
---Phil_the_Elder on 6/5/09


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Look at Manasseh in 2Kings 21:16 "He shed much innocent blood till he had filled Jerusalem from one end to another" He also practiced witchcraft, put an idol in the Temple and seduced Israelites to do more evil than the pagan nations that God destroyed! What would you guys do with him? In 2Chronicles 33:12-19 Manasseh repented and prayed to the Lord and He(God) received his entreaty! You never know whom God will have mercy on so be careful because you will be judged the same way you judge others.
---KellieB on 6/5/09


SusieB--Whatever God chooses to do to the abortion doctor is HIS business, not ours. HE is all-wise and perfectly just. We are not.
What purpose is served by trying to imagine what God will now do to the wicked (and deceased) abortion Doc?
---Donna66 on 6/5/09


Trish...God killed Ananias and Sapphira is the truth. What do you think he will do with an abortion doctor?
---SusieB on 6/5/09


trish- Jesus Christ said, "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in Me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." Matthew 18:6. That means they're dead ducks.
---Betty on 6/5/09


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strongaxe- They didn't go around murdering innocent babies time after time. Matthew 18:6 Jesus said, "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in Me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." What about if someone offended not one child, but numerous ones? One millstone about his neck or something more?
---Betty on 6/5/09


Betty:

Yes, but while that may be true, who are we to say that God has given up on someone or not, unless he explicitly tells us so?

Remember, both Moses and David were murderers, and just see how God dealt with them - they became two of the greatest prophets and/or kings of Israel.

It's not our job to consign people to hell - God can do that well enough, but only after his infinite patience and mercy are exhausted.
---StrongAxe on 6/5/09


Susie: God did not have one of the apostles kill Ananias. He destroyed them Himself.

I still stand by what I said...People matter to God, and nobody is so low that they should not be loved by us, and shown Godly love and caring.

When I read the two commandments as explained by Jesus, He did not say, "Love your neighbor as yourself, unless he is an abortion doctor."
---Trish9863 on 6/5/09


It appears that many who post on these blogs have no perception of God's wrath. They might try reading the Old Testament if they think God doesn't destroy PEOPLE. And what about Ananias and Sapphira? Did you forget about them Trish????
---SusieB on 6/5/09


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strongaxe- 6-3-09 There comes a time when God may say Pray not for this person. Jeremiah 11:14 God said, "...pray not for this people...for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble." Weird of that doctor to kill so many babies while they were being born naturally. MURDERER. Wickedness has an end. Hopeless little babies needed life and he took it. Why wouldn't God end his forever. He knew what he was doing was wrong. My belief is there will never be forgiveness for that man. He not only murdered, he got paid for it. He meant to kill, else he wouldn't have done it. One time wasn't enough.
---Betty on 6/5/09


Trav: Then I guess John 3:16 has exception for its meaning.
---Trish9863 on 6/5/09


No, George Tiller, the baby killer, was not a Christian. GOD hates Abortion. It is impossible for both sweet and bitter waters to come from the same fountain. The Bible is very clear that you can know a person by what kinds of "fruits" that they produce. In GOD's Eyes, were Tiller's fruits of Abortion GOOD or EVIL? Tiller should not have been killed the way that he was, it was wrong for the gun-man to do what he did. For, Vengeance belongs only to the LORD Himself. Capitol Punishment should have been Tiller's fate. GOD set up the governing Authorities to wield the sword, and that "NOT IN VAIN"!
---Gordon on 6/5/09


Trav: How on earth can you refer to any human being as an adult reject? ..so grateful I have been in churches where pastors preach over and over again that "People matter to God." ---Trish9863 on 6/3/09

Ur Preachers are liars then. Preaching people matter.... Thousands of helpless children seem to have no reality/value to you or them. Mothers that have these children....mourn for their whole lives.
Leave ur milk bottle Churches....eat meat and hunt with hunter's ...searching "truth".
Rejected....below. Many examples.
Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated
---trav on 6/5/09


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Elder...There is no pleasure in seeing anyone murdered, born or unborn. The sad this about all this is that the doctor may have been killed before he had a chance to accept Jesus Christ as His Savior and repent.
---SusieB on 6/4/09


Jesus came NOT for the righteous but for the sinner.
---duane on 6/4/09


Ho 6:4 O Ephraim, what shall I do unto thee? O Judah, what shall I do unto thee? for your goodness is as a morning cloud, and as the early dew it goeth away.
5 Therefore have I hewed them by the prophets, I have slain them by the words of my mouth: and thy judgments are as the light that goeth forth.
6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice, and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings

Mt 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
---BruceB on 6/4/09


It's a warped mind that reasons "The end justifies the means"!!!
---1st_cliff on 6/4/09


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Maybe people are saying these nice things about him now, because he is dead, and maybe some of these people want to believe that he is in heaven.

I don't know if he is or not, but I don't think a Christian would perform abortions.

As far as my beliefs go, I believe that all life is sacred. You notice the ten commandments don't say "Don't kill humans." They say plainly, "Do not kill." And if he was sorry for what he did, he would've asked for forgiveness and possibly stopped doing it.
---amand6348 on 6/4/09


"I don't think that a true Christian would kill the doctor who did the abortions." NV_Barbara on 6/3/09
And, we can rest assured that a true "Right to Lifer" did not do it either.
Whether the doctor was a "devout Christian" or not that is not the issue.
The issue is,
Is what he did right?
Is what the murder did to him right?
Do some of us get pleasure in the fact that the "abortion doctor" was murdered also?
Let's search our own hearts lest we be guilty of the very thing we accuse these two people of.
---Elder on 6/4/09


duane:"-who Jesus didnt die for?"

Who is not forgiven?
They who continue in sin:

Heb10:26-29-sin wilfully-

Gal5:19
Now the works of the flesh are manifest,
which are these,
Adultery,
fornication,
uncleanness,
lasciviousness,
Idolatry,
witchcraft,
hatred,
variance,
emulations,
wrath,
strife,
seditions,
heresies,
Envyings,
murders,
drunkenness,
revellings,
and such like:
of the which I tell you before,
as I have also told you in time past,
that they which do such things
shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Mar3:29,Mar11:26,1Cor6:9,Heb12:8,2Th2:8,Jn8:24,
2Th3:2,Mat25:30-46,8:12,22:13,13:38,13:49, etc.
---SuzieH on 6/4/09


No one should murder. We are to forgive our enemies.
We should never allow evil, or evil laws to reign in our nation.

We should speak up for what is right.
Too many do not understand what righteousness is.
Please read your Bibles (AKJV).

Ps 82:2-8
How long will ye judge unjustly,
and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

Defend the poor and fatherless:
do justice to the afflicted and needy.

Deliver the poor and needy:
rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

They know not,
neither will they understand...

We are not to condemn (say someone is eternally damned).
We are to have righteous judgment among ourselves
as Paul instructed by the Holy Spirit in 1Cor 5.
---SuzieH on 6/4/09


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If the doctor was a Christian, he was certainly a deceived one. Nevertheless, some people are now lauding Dr Tiller as a "martyr" to the cause of Roe vs. Wade.

Likewise, it appears that his murderer, Christian or not (most likely not), was deceived.
His shooting of Dr. Tiller was not only a grave sin... it actually is being used to advance the cause of pro-abortion advocates!
---Donna66 on 6/3/09


Jesus died for the sinner...HE died for all.
Now tell me who Jesus didnt die for?
---duane on 6/3/09


Trav: How on earth can you refer to any human being as an adult reject? I am so grateful that I have been in churches where the pastors preach over and over again that "People matter to God." They never preface it with "Godly people matter to God," or "Pro-life people matter to God." Just PEOPLE matter to God.

Yes, the deaths of the unborn are heartbreaking. But, a wife is left widowed, and some children are without their father, and grandchildren are without their grandfather, at the hands of a vigilante murderer.
---Trish9863 on 6/3/09


Awesome answer KellieB! :)
---Mary on 6/3/09


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Betty:

You said: God might have put him in hell even if the man did repent.

So are you saying that abortion is a sin so heinous that God can't forgive it, even if one does repent of it?

As far as I am aware, the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
---StrongAxe on 6/3/09


I was very sadden when I heard this. This murder solved nothing, but created even more divisiveness...
---NurseRobert on 6/3/09

A time to kill, and a time to heal, a time to break down, and a time to build up,
Ecclesiastes 3:2-4

One adult reject killed and your sad. Boo hoo, so moved by your concern and colossal wisdom.

Cry for the four million + babies pulled apart and sucked up a hose......and impress us.
Someone mentioned...we shouldn't judge! Shouldn't Judge Babies being Mutilated. This is why we are in the state we are in in this nation. Lack of Judges. And the same probably want to preach. Give the world a break...stay home.
---Trav on 6/3/09


1stCliff....Don't you remember? God is love! That's what they are saying. But, then it appears that many of these new age Christians haven't read the Old Testament.
---SusieB on 6/3/09


Augie, Before you trash the military, remember they are acting in self defence (Justifiable Homicide)
Like the bomb on Hiroshima,an act of self defence that ended world war 2.saving millions of lives!
How many babies were killed on "Passover?",in the flood? at Sodom and Gomorrah? God is not that sentimental about killing people He deems necessary!
---1st_cliff on 6/3/09


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\\Yes the doctor was indeed a good Christian he recognized the difference between actual life when you have breath the breath of life [Gen 2:7] and potential life.

What is actual important is what happens to a child after it is a born providing a quality of life and preventing starvation and child abuse.

I am an ordained elder in the Presbyterian Church (PCUSA) and a NARAL supporter.\\

It seems there is more child abuse, not less, since the legalization of abortion in the USA.

To say nothing about mothers exercising their "choice" months after the baby is born.

And anyone who believes that it's acceptable to kill unborn babies would eat doodoo with toasted cocanut sprinkled on top of it, Phil.
---Cluny on 6/3/09


No. He was committing murder. I agree with John, that he reaped what he sowed. But vengence belongs to God, and whoever killed him should not have. We can know this about his spiritual state: if the doctor did not repent of those murders, he surely went to hell. God might have put him in hell even if the man did repent.
---Betty on 6/3/09


It is hard to believe that anyone who calls themself a Christian would defferentiate between a late-term pregnancy and an early-term pregnancy. A baby is a baby. These are human beings that are being killed. The killer of the abortion doctor is as guilty of murder as the abortion doctor. Hopefully, the abortion doctor saw the light before he died and asked for forgiveness.
---SusieB on 6/3/09


"Love your enemies" Yes abortion is wrong. So is lying, drunkeness, sexual immorality etc. All those who practice these will not enter the kingdom of heaven. So our goal is to preach the gospel to sinners. I heard a preacher say something the other day that really got me to thinking. "Yes we should protest abortion. But when was the last time you had an abortion doctor over to your house for dinner and showed him the love of Jesus as opposed to angry rhetoric?
---KellieB on 6/3/09


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We did not know his true heart & only God does. If he was a chrisitan & this was part of his job since he was a doctor then that is between him & God.I agree do ont judge. Though I do not agree with abortions God gave us freewill.
---candice on 6/3/09


I think Trish9863 summed it really well. Christians are people with human failings. We are not perfect and never will be on this earth. We are not to judge this doctor's actions or anyone's,for that matter. Even though we do have to have rules,laws,regulations in the course of our lives to protect us from disasters and evils, of all kind.
The doctor was an imperfect man who made mistakes as we do. He may have thought he was doing a justifiable service to the community.
He lost his life and this is sad. The person who was so unkind and judging this doctor will face severe judgement, as well.
He/she had no right to take this doctors life,either. Leave the judging to God. As we have been told throughout the bible.
---Robyn on 6/3/09


I believe that a devout Christian is capable of doing just about anything, and that we are not to judge.

Instead of haggling over the dead doctor's spiritual state, as whatever it was, he is where he is for eternity now, and we won't know until we get there whether he is in glory or not, we should be praying for his family, the families of all the people involved in his clinic, especially the women who have obtained abortions for whatever reason.

Having had a family member who had an abortion prior to Roe v Wade, I know the agony and shame associated with it. It is extremely painful and causes a lot of mental anguish afterward. My family member had to be institutionalized a year later for mental health issues.
---trish9863 on 6/3/09


Absolutely Not.

However, I find it very interesting that doctors, churches, parents, and the people getting pregant all seem to be missing the real problem: FORNICATION.

If people were properly instructed to avoid sexual relations outside of marriage, there would be fewer unplanned pregnancies and less of a need to think about a "solution" to the "problem" of unplanned pregnancies. Killing unborn babies is outright MURDER.

Christians need to be more active in helping people, men and women, appreciate LIFE for what it is: a gift from God. Abortion is MURDER and something that any Christian should refuse to even think about doing.
---Augie on 6/3/09


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Abortion is MURDER. Christians shouldn't do that stuff.

What about the killing innocent people?

You might be a police officer who "accidentally" killed an innocent person who was waiting for the bus when your police cruiser sped after a crook.

Or, you might be a soldier who was "ordered" to shoot-and-kill anything that moves. Some commanders have justified such killing are necessary in the current "War On Terror". I have personally known people who were involved in these military incidents.

Is there any difference between ABORTION and KILLING innocent people? No. Both are MURDER.
---Augie on 6/3/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

True repentance is to turn away from the darkness of sin & forever remaining in the Light. It's like 'A Dead Man Switch', needing the Power of Christ's Death running through you to convict & change your heart, where His Light shall Shine Eternally.

If you 'THINK' the light's on but find yourself living in the darkness of sin, then the Baptism of the Power of His Death(Rom.6:2-4), was never in you & you've been vainly repenting amiss to be used upon your lust.

God isn't deceived and is why Not everyone that says Lord Lord, shall enter into His Kingdom : We shall know them by their fruits & despite what they call themselves, only he that does the Father's Will shall enter :Matt.7:20-21.
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/3/09


I was very sadden when I heard this. This murder solved nothing, but created even more divisiveness...
---NurseRobert on 6/3/09


The question should be "should" a Christian perform late term abortions, not "would" he.
(And the answer is obviously NO.)

We are not God and have no ability whatsoever to judge this man's personal salvation.

However, I do realize that this doctor will face certain judgement for what he has done. I don't expect he will get any rewards in heaven for it to say the least.

I mean, my brother in law is an elder in a huge church, a devout Christian, and a Democrat. The OP question is similar to asking if a "Christian" would be a Democrat.
---obewan on 6/3/09


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Jer 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly
I knew thee...

How can the Lord know someone when they are not alive?

Lk 1:44
For, lo,
as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears,
the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

Elizabeth was about 6 months pregnant and the baby in her womb had emotions. The baby is alive with a spirit to be able to have emotions/move.

Jm 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead...

Since the baby's body is growing and not dead,
the baby has a spirit and is indeed alive.

1Jn 3:15...and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Ps 10:8...in the secret places...
---SuzieH on 6/3/09


I am an ordained elder in the Presbyterian Church (PCUSA) and a NARAL supporter.
---Phil_the_Elder on 6/3/09

And the Westminster confession would be just fine if it weren't for article 10 which blasphemes the God of Heaven!

Phil you have my sympathy that you think the same God who orders and manipulates all things upon his whims is justified in punishing people for what he's done by his own hand. Predestination as an absolute (applied positively and negatively) is entire nonsense, and pardon me for assuming, but it's the only way that I see that a believer can justify and decriminalize infanticide.
---Pharisee on 6/3/09


\\And unless he repented he would not go to heaven.\\

I guess OSAS doesn't apply to all Christians or sins they commit, does it?
---Cluny on 6/3/09


This man was a devout Lutheran. Apparently an usher in his church. Despite what the media is portraying him as, he is a murderer in the worst way. I believe he reaped what he sowed. And unless he repented he would not go to heaven.
---john on 6/3/09


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No he/she wouldn't.

Secondly, I don't think that a true Christian would kill the doctor who did the abortions.
---NV_Barbara on 6/3/09


I find it difficult to reconcile a christian faith with doing late term abortions,

BUT, let's ask the next question:

The media is says that the man who murdered him is a devout Christian.

Would a devout Christian commit murder?


As Moderator says elsewhere "Two wrongs don't make a right"
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/3/09


The Doctor was killed in his church while serving as an usher. This sounds like the typical agenda of the right to life groups.

Yes the doctor was indeed a good Christian he recognized the difference between actual life when you have breath the breath of life [Gen 2:7] and potential life.

What is actual important is what happens to a child after it is a born providing a quality of life and preventing starvation and child abuse.

I am an ordained elder in the Presbyterian Church (PCUSA) and a NARAL supporter.
---Phil_the_Elder on 6/3/09


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