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Purpose Of 7th Commandment

What was the purpose of the 7th day Sabbath command which was given before sin existed, and before any covenant existed?

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Leslie - it would be much to your advantage to pick up a good book on early church history. NONE of the early writers - some being the disciples of the Apostles themselves, really believed Gentile converts needed to observe laws that were strictly Jewish.

It is obvious that since the early church did not teach sabbath keeping, observance of festivals, Levitical dietary laws,etc. that such things were NOT taught or required of the Church.
---lee1538 on 6/6/09


Isaiah 66:22-23 For just as the new heavens and new earth that I am making will stand firm before me"GODs Decree"So will your children and your reputation stand firm. Month after month and week by week, everyone will come to worship me," GOD says.

Will the New Earth have the same calendar as the current earth? There you go again, Jerry, ASSUMPTIONS! - like many of your other faulty theology.
---Lee1538 on 6/6/09


Leslie - your really need to read Acts 15. Gentile converts were NOT required to keep laws that were strictly Jewish. I hate to say this but your theology is that when one accepts Christ as Lord & Savior, he or she become a Jew. That issue was settled at the Jerusalem council.

Acts 15:5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, It is necessary to circumcise them AND to order them to keep the law of Moses.

Circumcision was the entrance rite into the Jewish religion. If you became physically circumcised, you were thereafter required to keep the Jewish Sabbath, dietary laws, the feasts & other laws that were strictly Jewish.

Your theology indicates you do not know the Scripture.
---Jamison on 6/6/09


\\ To ALL - The blood sacrifices of the O.T. are the ONLY thing done away with in the N.T. This is because Jesus was the FINAL sacrifice. Please do not mistake this. ALL other things in the O.T. (10 Commandments, Feast Days, Sabbath, Tithing, etc.) we are still commanded to keep\\

Leslie, are you still saying that we are bound to the Kashuroth of the Old Testament?

How about the requirement of not wearing two different kinds of cloth?

Are women still supposed to abstain from their husbands' beds during their menses?

Sounds to me like you're picking and choosing here, especially if you answer "No" to my questions.
---Cluny on 6/6/09


Leviticus 23 declares the feasts.
23:37 These [are] the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim [to be] holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day
I don't seem to understand how you keep the feasts yet not offer as God commanded for the feasts.
---MIchael on 6/6/09




To ALL - The blood sacrifices of the O.T. are the ONLY thing done away with in the N.T. This is because Jesus was the FINAL sacrifice. Please do not mistake this. ALL other things in the O.T. (10 Commandments, Feast Days, Sabbath, Tithing, etc.) we are still commanded to keep - This is NOT an option (no discussion or debate) to God if you are TRULY His. If you do NOT keep these things, you are NOT truly God's, but still belong to Satan. This is talked about thoughout the N.T. Yes, we are under grace, faith, relationship - however with these things come responsibility (obeidence to God's commands).
---Leslie on 6/6/09


Pharisee: "what is the purpose of the Sabbath when the creation it was modeled after is GONE?"

Isa 66:22,23 For as the NEW HEAVENS and the NEW EARTH, which will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one SABBATH to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
---jerry6593 on 6/6/09


Betty: "Nobody had to keep the sabbath until Mount Sinai Day when God commanded it to be kept."
---Betty on 6/3/09

Funny, my Bible says that God taught the Sabbath to both Israelites and Gentiles (mixed multitude) in the lesson of the manna long before they reached Mt. Sinai.

God Himself wrote with His own finger in stone that the Sabbath was instituted at creation:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
---jerry6593 on 6/6/09


Mod: Thanks!
---jerry6593 on 6/6/09


Elder, old friend: "Every "Sabbath keeper" I have met showed pride and arrogance."

As a Sabbath-keeper, I hope that I have not shown pride or arrogance to you. I respect that, although we may differ in our beliefs, I am confident that when we BOTH get to heaven, the Lord will straighten us BOTH out on a number of issues.
---jerry6593 on 6/6/09




Jerry the title of a blog is placed on the blog when the original question is written. We don't come back and change titles as blogger debate back and forth. The original question asks "What was the purpose of the 7th day" not the 4th. Yes, the blogger of the original question may be confused which is why bloggers are discussing the topic.
---Moderator on 6/6/09


Moderator: I'm confused. The title of this blog references the 7th Commandment, but the actual question and the discussion thereof references the 4th.
---jerry6593 on 6/6/09


Lev 11:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth. 11:3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted *, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
Ex 23:14 Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto me in the year.
23:18 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread, neither shall the fat of my sacrifice remain until the morning.
Leslie, Do follow also these commandments since "What God said in the O.T. is still true in the N.T. and for today"?
---MIchael on 6/6/09


Pharisee and ALL others - 3rd - When you obey and keep the law (10 Commandments), you are in essance living HOLY, which God said IS a REQUIREMENT of His people (1 Peter 1:15-16). In other words you do NOT belong to God if you are not living holy by obeying the law (10 Commandments) (1 John 2:3-6). Debate it all you want - this is what GOD (not myself) REQUIRES - it is NOT a suggestion, but a command.
---Leslie on 6/6/09


Lesie - *Pharisee and ALL others - 2nd - Just think of (in the world) if you had no red lights, stop signs, or speed limits.

There is no problem with rules, laws & regulations that are beneficial to us, however, the 7th day Sabbath is not mandated anywhere in the New Covenant of the church.

If we would only heed Romans 13:9 The commandments, You shall not commit adultery, not murder, not steal, not covet, & any other commandment, are summed up in this word: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

If we would indeed do that and not observe any day as holy, what would we really lack? If you answered nothing, you got the right answer.
---Jamison on 6/6/09


Pharisee and ALL others - 2nd - Just think of (in the world) if you had no red lights, stop signs, or speed limits. People everywhere would have more accedents, and there would be a lot less people (at least half) in the world, because they would be dead from an accedent. This is how God is - His law is NOT there to keep people from having fun, or to control them or make them less free - it is there to ensure that you stay alive and have what Jesus said "LIFE MORE ABUNDANTLY" a.k.a. be TRULY blessed. If you desire this freedom, and this life - consider obeying and keeping God's law (10 Commandments). You will never know TRUE life or blessing until you do.
---Leslie on 6/6/09


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Pharisee and ALL others - 1st - You are under bondage because you do NOT keep the Commandments. There is so much freedom when you live by God's laws as opposed to the "law of the jungle" a.k.a. law of world, flesh, man, and the devil. This is why the Bible says that you are under a curse for not keeping the law. The WHOLE Bible is TRUE and RELEVANT for today, NOT just the N.T. God and His Word are the same yesterday, today, and forever - they do NOT change. What God said in the O.T. is still true in the N.T. and for today - The N.T. only was added onto the O.T., NOT to cancel out the O.T. - This is what you will be judged on on the Day of Judgement.
---Leslie on 6/6/09


Leslie why did you post Gal 3:29 and leave out Gal 3:21-26? The law was a schoolmaster to us. Verse 25 says that after faith comes we are no longer under a schoolmaster. This schoolmaster is the OT Law that shows that we cannot keep the law. Faith in Christ releases us from keeping the law because Christ kept it for us. I am crucified with Christ, Rom 6:6-18. I am not subject to the law.
Every "Sabbath keeper" I have met showed pride and arrogance.
You attacked Pharisee's name, writing and now him personally. Typical for your "faith."
If keeping the Sabbath has made you so "spiritual" I am glad that God called me to be an Idiot. Of course esteeming one day above the next shows your weakness in faith.
---Elder on 6/6/09


Betty: "I keep all of them except the sabbath command"

It's not rational to say the Lord freed you from the 4th commandment
only and not the other 9 commandments.

I think you are upset because you feel pricked in your heart
about the truth of the matter.

Can't you understand that what you are saying
does not make sense? I am honestly not trying to attack you.
I really would like you to see the impossibility of what you are saying.
---SuzieH on 6/6/09


dconklin - *The Sabbath runs from sunset to sunset, not by the click.

For those living in either the most northern or most southern parts of the world, there can be no sundown on certain days and they do not even see the sun for many days in the winter.

Old Ellen White has this question thrown at her and all she could say is that people should not live in such frigid climates.

For the Christians, the Sabbath is the Lord's day - Sunday.

Lets face it, it would not have been feasible to demand Gentile converts to observe the OT sabbath in light of the fact, that Saturday was a work day in the Gentile world.
---Jamison on 6/6/09


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Amen, Pharisee, Jamison, Betty, and Lee1538
Lee1538, We have disagreed on other blogs, I'm glad we could agree here.-- I do enjoy finding the truth
God Bless All
---MIchael on 6/5/09


If you are going to insist on a Saturday Sabbath, you will have trouble in much of the world, where Monday (not Sunday) is considered the first day of the week.
---Donna66 on 6/5/09


djconklin - Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch,110 A.D. says 'Those who have walked in ancient practices attain unto newness of hope, NO LONGER observing the Sabbaths, but fashioning their lives after the Lord's Day, that we may be found disciples of Jesus Christ, our only teacher.'

Irenaeus 155 A.d. Tertullian 200 A.d. and Eusebius 315 A.d. repudiated the 7th day Sabbath and recognized the 1st day of the week as the Lord's day.

Sorry guy, but Advenists are forced to ignore early church history in order to support Sabbath observance.
---Jamison on 6/5/09


*what is the purpose of the Sabbath when the creation it was modeled after is GONE?

Excellent observation!!!!!

Much like some of their other doctrines - dietary laws, investigative judgment, etc. etc. their model is derived from Old Testament. It is really a pity that they do not realize that in Christ, much of the Old Testament prophecies were fulfilled and that a NEW covenant was made between Israel & God - a covenant that was NOT ACCORDING the Old Covenant that was made at Mt. Sinai. Jer. 31:32
---Lee1538 on 6/5/09


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suzieh- According to the book of Revelation, there will not be day nor night. There will be no sun or moon. Revelation 21:23 "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof." Rev. 21:25 "...for there shall be no night there." "Rev. 22:5 "And there shall be no night there, and they need no candle, neither light of the sun, for the Lord God giveth them light...." Rev. 22:15 says "For without (the city) are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, & murderers, & idolators, & whosoever loveth & maketh a lie."
---Betty on 6/5/09


suzieh- If you want to rest, then rest. We don't have to if we don't want to, for Jesus died to get rid of the sabbath, too. Pack your suitcase and go to town. You're guilty of breaking the sabbath if you do.
---Betty on 6/5/09


>Aren't you Saturday keepers concerned about the days that are missing (Joshua 10, how many hours is ten steps to Hezekiah?) from your counting of the Sabbaths?

The Sabbath runs from sunset to sunset, not by the click.
---dconklin on 6/5/09


Time exists in eternity? If there is a new Heaven new earth, new moon for the earth and a new sun, what is the purpose of the Sabbath when the creation it was modeled after is GONE?

Further, if there is a new moon, and the Hebraic Calender runs according to moon cycles wouldn't the creation and rotation have to have exact timing to keep the days and nights running according to schedule of the old creation's lights? "Behold I make all things new" God cares? Why?

Aren't you Saturday keepers concerned about the days that are missing (Joshua 10, how many hours is ten steps to Hezekiah?) from your counting of the Sabbaths? What if you're getting it wrong? Did you notice Jesus celebrated the passover a day before everyone else?
---Pharisee on 6/5/09


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dconklin- Ignatius wrote things, get my meaning?
---Betty on 6/5/09


One cannot escape the fact the Sabbath was given ONLY to the Hebrew nation at Mt. Sinai.

Ex 31:13 You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you.

31:17 It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in 6 days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.

And there is virtually NO EVIDENCE the Sabbath was observed prior to Mt. Sinai. We do not read of Abraham, or another of the other patriarchs observing it.

Only the children of Hagar still observe the OT Sabbath (see Galatians 4)
---Lee1538 on 6/5/09


Regardless,nothing erases the the fact that scripture
declares that in the new earth all flesh shall be keeping
the Sabbaths of the LORD.
---SuzieH on 6/5/09

You can believe what you want to believe, you can also tear all of Paul's letters from your New Testament because you don't believe his teaching concerning the Sabbath. The man called it bondage sister, and I understand the Sabbaths will be kept, they are kept NOW in Christ (temple ministry is completed, sanctification "finished") but not as some fleshly prideful religious observance the way you Adventist people do it, how can you do something that's "finished?"
---Pharisee on 6/5/09


-Commandment Keepers are justified by faith through Christ--SuzieH on 6/5/09
True, What are the commandments?
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
---MIchael on 6/5/09


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Good point mima, Since Commandments were implied to be of the OT. The statement does however hold true of Jesus' Commandments, We are justified by faith in Jesus.
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
1Cr 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
Back full circle to Love.
---Michael on 6/5/09


Consider


"Commandment Keepers are justified by faith through Christ."

If the above statement true then the statement below is nullified made void.


"He is the mediator of a better covenant,
which was established upon better promises."Heb 8:6

Commandment keepers deny that a better covenant has been established!!!
---mima on 6/5/09


---Pharisee on 6/5/09

Commandment Keepers are justified by faith through Christ.

Don't forget that the saving definition of faith is:
"faith without works is dead" Jm 2.

When we believe God, we obey Him and we have access to the Father through His son who "ever liveth to make intercession for them." Heb 7:25

Christ is not dead and He is still our High Priest
who is mediating daily for the people.

Otherwise, why would he say to pray for our daily bread and forgiveness - The Lord's Prayer is a daily prayer. Mt6, Lk11

"He is the mediator of a better covenant,
which was established upon better promises."Heb 8:6
---SuzieH on 6/5/09


Is 66:23 States:
"the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make"

Rev 21:23
And the city
had no need of the sun,
neither of the moon,
to shine in it:

Rev. describes the city, not the new earth.
It does not say there won't be a sun or moon.
States it has no need of them because the Lord is their light.

An example would be as light floods into a stadium,
it becomes as bright as day within it.
That does not mean the sun does not exist.

Regardless,nothing erases the the fact that scripture
declares that in the new earth all flesh shall be keeping
the Sabbaths of the LORD.
---SuzieH on 6/5/09


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The Israelites were the seed of Abraham, the Bible says that if we have accepted Jesus, we then become the seed of Abraham. Therefore, the scripture in Exodus is now for CHRISTIANS. (Galatians 3:29).
---Leslie on 6/5/09

You continue in your bondage to Old Testament law, The Bible only mentions the Sabbath once outside of the gospels in the New Testament, and that in a negative connotation to call it bondage. The Sabbath is not New testament teaching, NOWHERE in the New Testament is it seen. To the contrary we see that some Christians "esteem every day alike" and in the same passage that "every man should be convinced in his own mind." (See Romans 14)
---Pharisee on 6/5/09


Leslie, you need to clean up your act. Your comments are unbecoming of someone who claims the name of Christ. Your hateful comments toward me and the people who think like I do (idiots) is not a Christian way to present teachings to people who you'd try to win to your position.

I said you were delusional, and you've really gone out of your way to prove it. To think that you operate in the Holy Spirit and engage in the kind of trash you've perpetrated on here one could draw no other conclusion.

And so I wash my hands of you, may the Lord judge between you and I. If James 2:10 is true (and it is) your in trouble. Have fun with your command.
---Pharisee on 6/5/09


Phariesee- (6-3-09) I noticed those things too, about the sabbath, Jesus and the New Testament.
---Betty on 6/4/09

Amen Betty, it's not rocket science is it. Strong deceptions conquer weak brethren, usually those just beginning in his Spirit or those who never were. Jesus completed the temple ministry as our High Priest, every Sabbath from here till forever is completed in him. If Christ is not our justification, if there one command or even a thousand that we can point to that we "keep" we are no longer relying on his merit but our own for entrance to Heaven. I break one often therefore I break them all daily, and You "Sabbath keepers" need to repent of your pride.
---Pharisee on 6/5/09


GOD made the Earth and it's surroundings in 6 literal 24-hour days. On the 7th Day following, He saw that all that He had made was good, and He then rested from His Labours and declared that 7th Day to be a Sanctified and Holy Day. When he made mankind, He made them, us, in His Image. And, GOD is our example to live by. We were to do all of our works during the first 6 days of the week, as GOD did on the Creation Week. Then, man is to REST on the last day of the week following, the 7th day. As GOD did. We are to regard that 7th Day as HOLY unto the LORD, as well. The days are numbered in 7-day intervals, patterned after the Creation Week.
---Gordon on 6/5/09


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Leslie stated: "Jesus, the disciples, and the early church apostles ALL kept the Sabbath by going to Synagog (Temple) or house church"

That is TRUE but only pertained to Hebrew or Jewish converts, NOT to Gentile converts.

If you were to take the time to study the writings of the early church fathers you would find that NONE of them advocated observance of the OT Sabbath to the Gentile church.

Furthermore, there is VIRTUALLY no command or even a suggestion in the New Testament that Christians need observe any day. If such a command were essential you would see something of it in the New Testaments, but we do not.
---Jamison on 6/5/09


Leslie, you can't tell a question from a statement? <---see the hook and dot? that indicates a question. The fact that you are twisting what I've written PROVES you have NOTHING TO SAY.

As for the person who gets their end time theology from Isaiah, shall I now tear Revelation out of my Bible? The verse you quoted about looking upon the dead, battle of Armageddon perhaps? Ok, that's STILL IN THIS AGE, could even be the thousand year reign's ending. You need to learn your book

"And the city had no need of the sun, nor of the moon, that they might shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it, even its lamp is the Lamb." Revelation 21:23
---Pharisee on 6/5/09


Leslie ... I am a bit pedantic, but I don't think it takes a pedant to see that ...

"Is God an idiot?", which is what Pharisee wrote,

does not mean that Pharisee was "calling God an idiot"

If you did read Pharisee correctly, and are trying deliberately to misquote and/or insult him, may I suggest you go to the "How to blog" blog, and see the sort of behaviour that is not acceptable here?
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/5/09


Pharisee - You are blaspheming not only Jesus, but also the Holy Spirit by calling God an idiot. You show with your fruits that you are NOT a Christian, but of the devil. If anyone listens to you, they are an idiot, because you follow the devil.
---Leslie on 6/5/09


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2nd Pharisee - The Israelites were the seed of Abraham, the Bible says that if we have accepted Jesus, we then become the seed of Abraham. Therefore, the scripture in Exodus is now for CHRISTIANS. (Galatians 3:29).
---Leslie on 6/5/09


Yeah, Judaism had spread all over the known world, there's no doubt about it, but I don't see how that links Christian church to it...because it doesn't!
---Pharisee on 6/4/09

Christians link stems from Heb 8:10, Jer 31:33.
GOD said he would write the laws in Israels heart and mind. Judah was one part of Israel. Christians are enocompass the new name that GOD said he would name...the remaining House of by.
Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Isaiah 65:15
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
---trav on 6/5/09


P, You should be respectful of God. He is listening.

Isa 66:22-24
For as the new heavens and the new earth,
which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD,
so shall your seed and your name remain.

And it shall come to pass,
that from one new moon to another,
and from one sabbath to another,
shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases
of the men that have transgressed against me:
for their worm shall not die,
neither shall their fire be quenched,
and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

There will be a moon, and a Sabbath in the world to come.
---SuzieH on 6/4/09


Be not deceived with strange doctrines, nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, and things in which the Jews make their boast. Old things are passed away: behold, all things have become new. For if we still live according to the Jewish law, and the circumcision of the flesh, we deny that we have received grace.--IGNATIUS, Epistle to the Magnesians Chapter VIII
---Michael on 6/4/09


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>Ignatius (69 AD bishop of the church at Antioch) and some others knew there were Christians that did no longer keep the sabbath

There is no evidence to support that claim.

As late as the 5th century most Christians were still keeping the Sabbath.
---dconklin on 6/4/09


Ex 31:13a Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you
Ex 31:16a Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath
Ex 31:17a It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever
Of course Jesus kept the Sabbath, He is a Child of Isreal.
---Michael on 6/4/09


Is God an idiot? Why would he command something impossible? (literal Sabbath forever) When Heaven and Earth pass away there will be no more literal days. Revelation tells us the lamb will provide light. How then will we observe a calender Sabbath? He did say forever right?

The key element you left out is that this ~SIGN~ (God's choice of words) was to a particular people. A sign to show them that the Lord sanctified them. There's a new sign to show this truth and not just to one group of people it's the cross. The reality of sanctification has grown up into the fullness of what God intended -Christ in us sanctifying us and causing worship and rest everyday, no longer one in seven the greater rest has come!
---Pharisee on 6/4/09


suzieh- No, the whole world was not resting on the seventh day. Paul and Peter were accused of breaking the law. Ignatius (69 AD bishop of the church at Antioch) and some others knew there were Christians that did no longer keep the sabbath, but the Lord's Day (Sunday) in rememberance of the Risen Lord, Jesus Christ. Tradition is that Ignatius was a disciple of the Apostle John.
---Betty on 6/4/09


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Pharisee - like Michael said in Exodus 31:12-17 God COMMANDED (NOT suggested) that the Sabbath was to be observed FOREVER. It did NOT stop at the N.T., the cross, or the rest of the N.T. When Jesus worked on the Sabbath, it was to help people (God's heartbeat). He did NOT do physical labor, but helped people (healing, deliverance, etc.). God's work of helping people is never done, since people are His heartbeat. Physical labor was ceased on the Sabbath. You do not want to believe this because your god is yourself and Satan, and you do NOT love God or want to obey Him - this much is clear.
---Leslie on 6/4/09


More Historians on the 2nd Century:

Early Christians
"The primitive Christians had a great veneration for the Sabbath,
and spent the day in devotion and sermons. And it is not to be doubted
but they derived this practice from the Apostles themselves,
as appears by several scriptures to the purpose." "Dialogues on the Lord's Day," p. 189. London: 1701, By Dr. T.H. Morer (A Church of England divine).

Early Christians
"...The Sabbath was a strong tie which united them
with the life of the whole people,
and in keeping the Sabbath holy
they followed not only the example
but also the command of Jesus."
"Geschichte des Sonntags," pp.13, 14
---SuzieH on 6/4/09


Josephus:
"There is not any city of the Grecians,
nor any of the Barbarians,
nor any nation whatsoever,
whither our custom
of resting on the seventh day hath not come!"
---SuzieH on 6/4/09

Yeah, Judaism had spread all over the known world, there's no doubt about it, but I don't see how that links the Christian church to it...because it doesn't!
---Pharisee on 6/4/09


I was thrown off a bit by "7th commandment" actually being adultery but
its a very interesting question.
The sabbath is God's (he didn't need rest) as a sign that he had finished his creation and we are to keep it holy.
I find no mention of the command previous to Genesis 3:6 when Adam ate the forbidden fruit and so I am at a loss to understand the moderators "before sin existed" statement.
Anyway the 7th day is an acknowledgement of God the father, HIS creation and HIS completeness. We are to put aside the daily affairs of life and acknowledge God for he is a jealous God and must be praised. Its not just about going to service on Saturday or not mowing the lawn.
---larry on 6/4/09


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Quotes from ancient Historians:

Josephus:
"There is not any city of the Grecians,
nor any of the Barbarians,
nor any nation whatsoever,
whither our custom
of resting on the seventh day hath not come!"

M'Clatchie, "Notes and Queries on China and Japan" (edited by Dennys), Vol 4, Nos 7, 8, p.100.

Philo:
Declares the seventh day to be a festival,
not of this or of that city,
but of the universe. M'Clatchie, "Notes and Queries," Vol. 4, 99


The whole world was already resting on the 7th day Sabbath.
---SuzieH on 6/4/09


Pharisee- I answer NOT out of pride, but out of TRUTH. ---Leslie on 6/4/09

Leslie, your delusional.

Answer me this, what testimony does an indigineous forest dwelling native who knows no gospel, no christ and no God do to keep his bloody Sabbath command? What indicator does he have that it's the seventh day and he should not work?

With no way for this truth to be communicated to this man God holding him accountable for it is unfair, yet you say it's a binding moral command. I say commands are for spiritual retards and weaklings who don't have the assurance of God's presence and leading to understand that it's not what we perform that counts, it's was it from his spirit leading us.
---Pharisee on 6/4/09


Exodus 31:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that [ye] may know that I [am] the LORD that doth sanctify you
31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, [for] a perpetual covenant.
31:17 It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
---Michael on 6/4/09


"Jesus may not have taught about keeping the Sabbath, but He also did NOT teach to break the Sabbath law."

Leslie, he worked on the Sabbath precross as did his disciples (picking grain) and they (the Sanhedrin) wanted him DEAD for it, so YEAH, by his example Jesus taught us to break the Sabbath, not institute a legal observance through Judaism.

There's a reason why that seventh day GARBAGE appeals to people, because it lets them feel as though they are truly God's own chosen ones, it appeals to their pride, when in truth God opposes the proud. The Sabbath command was the undoing of the Pharisees, and you're biting the same old crusty hook and worm tactic Satan used on them.
---Pharisee on 6/4/09


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leslie- Where does it say in the Bible that He told Adam and Eve to keep the sabbath?
---Betty on 6/4/09


Leslie you are quick to condemn a pen name. I must ask you.
When did the OT stop and the NT start?
When Christ and the disciples attended sabbath activities the resurrection had not occurred. The sabbath was a rest day. Jesus told us to work while we could. He has not instructed us to rest. The disciples gathered on the first day of the week to worship after the resurrection.
You asked Pharisee who he is following. I ask you what are you worshipping, a day or a Saviour? The sabbath is one day. the Lord's day is and can be any day.
Even the scriptures you used are not valid for your point because of the time line.
Study the Bible and stop believing everything your trainers are telling you. Stop leaving out part of the Scripture.
---Elder on 6/4/09


dconklin- Good for them. Somewhere along the line, some named it Saturday, the day of Saturn. You don't know what the seventh day was called back then and neither do I. God told them in Egypt that He wanted them to keep the sabbath. Egyptians were working the Hebrews seven days a week, and they needed rest. God gave them the sabbath command. Working on the sabbath was prohibited for them because for so long they had complained bitterly about their bondage and forced labor. Therefore God commanded them to rest.
---Betty on 6/4/09


Phariesee- (6-3-09) I noticed those things too, about the sabbath, Jesus and the New Testament.
---Betty on 6/4/09


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leslie- Acts 18: 12-13 The Jews took Paul to the judgment seat "Saying, This fellow persuadeth men to worship God contrary to the law." Acts 11:2,3 "And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him, Saying, you went in to men uncircumcised, and did eat with them." Acts 11:17 Peter said, "Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us (the Holy Ghost), who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, what was I, that I could withstand God?" Galatians 2:14 Paul accused Peter of living after the manner of the Gentiles." So Peter and Paul did not keep the law.
---Betty on 6/4/09


Pharisee- I answer NOT out of pride, but out of TRUTH. Jesus, the disciples, and the early church apostles ALL kept the Sabbath by going to Synagog (Temple) or house church. This in essance was a command to keep the Sabbath. Luke 4:16,31, Acts 13:14. Think about this, Jesus may not have taught about keeping the Sabbath, but He also did NOT teach to break the Sabbath law. Which god are you following (the ONE TRUE God, or yourself)?
---Leslie on 6/4/09


Scholars have found that by the end of the first century, the church outside of Palestine no longer observed the OT Sabbath. That would lead us to believe that the Apostles and their immediate successors did not teach the OT sabbath to Gentile converts. Acts 15

The Gentile world considered Saturday to be a workday and thus observance of the OT sabbath would have been unfeasible in light of the fact that most of the early converts to the Christian faith were of the lower economical and social classes.
---Jamison on 6/4/09


P-Go2Sabbath blog 4 more info.
1Ch 16:15 ...which he commanded to a thousand generations,

(Mat 1:17)14+14+14 = 42 generations in about 2,000 years

+ 2,000 years later, should be somewhere around 84 generations.

We are no where near 1,000 generations.
His commandments are still in effect and are to be kept.

Heb 4:4 specifically says the 7th day Sabbath.
Heb 4:9 specifically says there remains a rest for the people of God.

The sin related to breaking it is unbelief as stated in Heb 3:12,19,4:6,11

Christ is the one who gave the law on Mt. Sinai, and
He is the one who has now written them in our hearts.

What Paul called bondage were
the carnal commandments not the Spiritual ones.
---SuzieH on 6/4/09


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Those that TRULY love and honor God will keep this command.
---Leslie on 6/3/09

Leslie your pride (self exalted Jesus loving command keeper) is only bested by your arrogance, and that only trumped by your ignorance. Sure Jesus issued commands, in fact in the sermon on the mount he nearly restated all 10 of them, didn't touch your happy Sabbath though. In fact NEVER once did Jesus address the Sabbath as a binding command.

Interesting that all through the New Testament NOWHERE is sabbath breaking listed as a sin, (and there are numerous lists) and nowhere do we see it commanded. Additionally the apostle Paul called it BONDAGE! (Galatians 4:9-10) As for me you should talk what you know. -you don't know me.
---Pharisee on 6/3/09


>Nobody had to keep the sabbath until Mount Sinai Day when God commanded it to be kept.

Then why was Dr. William Mead Jones able to check over 100 languages (created at the time of the Tower of Babel) and find that they named the seventh day of teh week "sabbath"?

How did they know about the Sabbath a month before (at the giving of the manna) the Law was given?
---dconklin on 6/3/09


Betty and Pharisee - You are both WRONG. 1st Betty - The Sabbath was commanded in the Garden of Eden, to honor God and what He had done. 2nd Pharisee - Your name speaks volumes. Jesus highly critisized the Pharisees because of what they believed and taught. You may hate the Commandment pushers because you yourself have not been following or obeying God. God said that for those that do not obey His commands, there will be curses on you. Jesus (who is God) even said that if you love Him, you would obey His commands (John 14:15). Obeidence to His commands are what says you belong to Him, and not the devil (1 John 2:3-6).
---Leslie on 6/3/09


Nobody had to keep the sabbath until Mount Sinai Day when God commanded it to be kept.
---Betty on 6/3/09


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Oh please, I've had it with commandment pushers. There's a phrase at the beginning of Exodus 20 that ought to tip you off as to whom it's written:

"I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt" Exodus 20:2

How long is forever? Exodus 31 says that the Sabbath would be sign of sanctification for Israel forever. How can a calender observed Sabbath go on forever? Clearly Revelation shows the "former things" passing away. if there's no sun or moon how will there be days or a Sabbath day? Simple, it's continuation is in Jesus Christ! Why do we need a sign when what it points to has come?
People there is command, and Jesus gave it "follow me."
---Pharisee on 6/3/09


Suzie I don't see where a 7th day command was given like you say. We see God resting on the 7th day. His did not give a command to Himself as He would not have to. There were commands given to Adam, tend the garden, avoid eating the certain fruit and so on. The 7th day command was not given until Moses received it.
Note the 7th day command was given for rest. Now Jesus has told us to NOT rest but Work while there is still light.
Today there is no one I've seen that keeps the 7th day command as given by God. They may "keep" part of it but they violate the rest. They may "worship" on the 7th day but they break the command by their travel and other things.
---Elder on 6/3/09


--SuzieH:

The Purpose of God Blessing & Sanctifying the 7th Day as A Day of Rest, was to later make it a Commandment to be kept Holy observed by man to give him rest & ease his burdensome yoke of sin.

Before the 'Fall', man didn't Live in sin as the Dead, but walked in Newness of Life as a 'Living Soul', always remaining in the 'Rest of God's Blessings' : having all his needs provided for by God's Riches & Glory.

Therefore we that are buried with Christ by Baptism into His Death, like Christ have been raised up from the Dead by the Glory of the Father, and 'Walk in the Newness of Eternal Life', no longer living in sin. (Rom.6:1-4) but remaining forever with Him whose yoke is easy.
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/3/09


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