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Is Holy Living Required

Do you believe in living holy? What do you think? Is it a requirement?

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MarkV~ I think basically identically to how (pastor) Exzucuh has been sharing on this blog. I don't think I've read anything of his thus far that is in contradition with God's Holy Word whatsoever.

Mark, you tend to talk in a polite manner, but I am in staunch disagreement with a large percent of your teachings because you don't tend to look at the WHOLENESS of scripture and I believe you are very caught up in the teachings of men/(a certain church denominational view), or else you could easily understand the straight-forward teachings straight from God's word as are being shared.
---Anne on 6/28/09

Anne, you gave Romans 2:11-16 but Maybe you forgot, or maybe it was an error by you, but it reads, "In the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel."
The gospel message is that you have to have faith in the Works of Christ on the Cross in order to be save. And those in 13, "will also be judge by the gospel of Christ" The doers of the law gives evidence they have faith in Christ. But verse 14 refers to anyone, Jew or Gentile who gives evidenece that they were without the written law yet will be judge in the final judgment according to what they knew in their hearts. It will be what will condemn them. They knew about God in their hearts and rejected Him.
---MarkV. on 6/28/09

Col 1: 20.Having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself, by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works,yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh """through death""",to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel,

What is the HOPE of the Gospel??? ANS: JESUS CHRIST.

Those who teach you can lose your salvation are trying to MOVE YOU AWAY from your BLESSED HOPE...JESUS CHRIST!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/28/09

Gordon, I am answering you here for the blog of "The biggest false docrines ever" stating that your quote from 6/24/09 was well written. I agree with you concerning attitude. There should be a complete change of attitude not only towards God but towards sin. No one who is in love with Christ wants to ever sin. I heard a song that says, ' I don't want to sin, because when I do, it is like putting the stakes in your hands Lord"
Everytime he sinned he felt in his heart like he was putting the stakes on Christ. We should never want to hurt Christ again. The love we have for Him changes our behavior.
It is when those who claim to be save say "those who sin" go to hell, when in reality they too sin.
---MarkV. on 6/27/09

Light is to be holy
Darkness is to commit sin

God's word tells us in I John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light as He is in the light we have fellowship one with another, and the Blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin."

The blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sins, but not until we walk in light as He is in light. Unless we truly repent (turn from sin/darkness), and walk in His light/holiness, God will not forgive our past sins or redeem us/justify us.

Obeying the commandments of God is true righteousness.
Obeying commands not from God (but from men) is self-righteousness.
---Anne on 6/27/09

God has been saying from the beginning to all....

Do not mix unholy with the holy
Do not do evil and righteously

Righteousness = holy = clean
Sin = unholy = unclean

No wonder the world is so confused and wicked and headed for God's wrath for Satan and Satan's workers (who appear as ministers of righteousness) have convinced people they can continue sinning and still be righteous. What a LIE!! It just does not work that way.

Jesus says in Mat 12:33 "Either make the tree good, and his fruit good, or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by its fruit."

Just like the ones in Rev that are lukewarm. God will spew them out. the Lord hates mixing right with wrong!
---Anne on 6/27/09

Wnen one becomes saved, one then IS HOLY AKA SAINT. The Saints....His Church..His Body are built up a spiritual HOLY temple.

Holiness means to be set apart. The Church IS set apart, taken out of this world.

In the OT the Levites were Holy unto God....set apart.

We, when we are saved, are dead to this world Cricified with christ...placed into HIS BODY, a New Creation....set apart. HE si sout life.

If this doesn't come first...all your self efforts to live holy are nil and void.

---kathr4453 on 6/27/09

Anne, you are right on Number 1, wrong on 2, 3, and 6.
You are beginning to get it.
#2. You judge again another person when you judge Elvis salvation and his works. You have no idea whatsoever because you could not see his heart whether he had a true love for Christ or not. You judge him as you judge everyone else except yourself. And refuse to see the sin in you.
3. When a person has true faith in Christ works on the cross and he sins, he is never condemned. For all sin and come short of the glory of God. If he is in habitual sin, he was never save to begin with, no true repentance.
6. No one is holy, without sin. At the resurrection we will be. We are striving for the goal we cannot reach until we get new bodies.
---MarkV. on 6/27/09

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many, and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin
unto salvation.

In every legal contract there is fine line stipulations that must not be broken or the contact is void. The new testament or the new legal agreement made with God by his Son must be by faith obeyed by those who will inherit the promises of that agreement. Jesus's own blood was shed and sprinkled on the mercy seat in heaven, Salvation is a sure thing to those that obey the Gospel, but those who do not obey condemn themselves by rebellion and not mixing faith with the word of God.
---exzucuh on 6/27/09

If you are a Christian and you break the contract by living any way you choose not taking your up cross, , not conforming to the image of God's son', not enduring sound doctrine, not obeying the gospel or mixing faith with the word. Paul said every man's work will be tried by fire, when the fire comes and there is nothing but wood, hay, and stubble, you can look forward to a long process of God burning that stuff out of you, until there is nothing left but what you have sought out by seeking God. And you can find yourself like a man escaping from a burning house with only his life, 1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.
---exzucuh on 6/27/09

I have watched as God burned rebellion and sin out of people, They are so proud in the beginning, so brave to stand against your warning and laugh in you face, They justify their lives by finding fault in yours, and the church and the bible. They blame every one, for their problems and never take the responsibility for their own actions. Oh! but they are Christians they believe in Jesus, When the fire comes the pride goes and the hotter it burns the more humble they become, in the end they only want to go and be with the Lord because they are tired of the fire and nothing is left, in their weakness they become strong and all their faith is in going to be with Jesus, and they do.
---exzucuh on 6/27/09

It is so much better to be like the three Hebrew children and not bow to the image of the beast, but stand with Jesus and obey and serve him, To be regenerated, translated out of darkness into the light, refined and made pure like silver and Gold, the fire has no power to consume such as this, they are ministers of fire, baptized in the fire by fourth man, the fire protects them from their enemy,
1 Corinthians 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire, and the fire shall test every man's work of what sort it is.
1 Corinthians 3:14 If any man's work abide which he has built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
---exzucuh on 6/27/09

Kathr~ Absolutely...every soul needs a redeemer. Every soul has sinned and in shame and could never stand before a holy God.

By the grace of God Jesus paid the price for our filthy disgusting sins when He died on the cross.

But, the Bible makes it clear who is justified by His Holy blood. Those who want to claim salvation, yet still want to play in their sin are those who mock Jesus' precious blood and have no fear or respect for His enormous sacrifice. Jesus justifies those who are His...

Those who are His:
-Follow the Lamb
-Abide in His love
-Fear His mighty ways, and are not in darkness/sin
-Cherish and love Him above all
---Anne on 6/26/09

It depends on what you mean by holy living.I think holy living is following the 10 commandments as closely as possible.Showing love and forgiveness (Agape love) the God kind of love,dressing decently (by that I mean not wearing clothing too short or tight) women should wear bras (many don't anymore) doing nothing in excess and useing illegal drugs,alcohol,tobacco.That's all I can think of off hand.Of course baby Christians won't do well with these things but they should be learning.
---shirley on 6/26/09

I am also with you that when Miche got mad at you, it was unfair too because all you did was quote Scripture and she said she didn't want quotes but testimonies.-markv

Why do you bring up a thing that has been resolved?
You are suppose to be discussing the topic and as I recall the topic is not to condemn OR judge "miche".

Markv, holy living is required and it is accomplished by Christ in us. NOT us by ourselves.
You have misjudged me and insulted I don't know how many times and I have not said anything back yet you judge me?
Take a long look in the mirror and judge yourself.
---miche3754 on 6/26/09

Mark V.~

1. The Bible teaches no man is without excuse concerning "knowing God" (Rom.1:20)

2. You said if a person has a 'true love for Christ' he's a genuine believer.Many claim a true love for Christ (Elvis etc.), but we must have fruits.

3. If a person has 'faith in the works of Christ on the cross for his sin' yet that person willfully sins, then it's a dead faith.

4. No one is without sin, for we've all sinned. But Jesus justifies truly repentant.

5. We REAP eternal life in FUTURE. If we sow to flesh we reap destruction. If we sow Spirit we REAP eternal life.

6. If a person is holy it is because he loves, obeys and fears God almighty and abides in Christ/Holy Spirit, rejecting the flesh.
---Anne on 6/26/09

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Anne is correct, that the goodness that we do through the grace of God abounding in our lives is not our works it is God's work. We have nothing to boast about. Indeed, God tells us 'Don't let your right hand know what your left hand is doing.' We should keep our good works secret if possible. We should not look for rewards in this life. We hope to be rewarded for our obedience in the next life. Perhaps 'rewards' is the wrong word. We will all get what is coming to us due to our fear or otherwise of God.
---frances008 on 6/26/09

Kathr (part 2)

Romans 2:13-16...For NOT the HEARERS of the law are just in the sight of God, but the DOERS of the law will be JUSTIFIED. (Jesus died for/JUSTIFIES those who DO HIS will and FOLLOW Him/their conscience in all sincerity.)

vs 14...For when Gentiles who do NOT have the law, BT NATURE (by following conscience) DO the law and SHOW the work of the law (humble obedience to God) WRITTEN IN THEIR HEARTS,

** Now exp note the following...**

---Anne on 6/26/09

Kathr (part 4)~

Roman2 vs 25-29...Acts like circumcision are ONLY profitable if we KEEP the law (live in humble obedience to God),


If we are a breaker of the law (willful sinner) Your circumcision has become UNcircumcision.

In other words...all our works and words are just a bunch of bolony and disgust before God unless we sincerely live for Him and follow the Holy Spirit.

We're not Christians because of some 'claim' we make such as being circumcised...but we must have circumcision of th HEART...a heart that is made new and lives for God.
---Anne on 6/26/09

Revelation 15:4
Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee, for thy judgments are made manifest.

One becames partaker of Christ's Holiness only by a Holy Christ in you, through the power of the HOLY Spirit.

You are Hidden with a HOLY God, IN a Holy Christ, sealed by the HOLY Spirit.
---kathr4453 on 6/26/09

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Exzucuh~ You said Christians who willfully sin are backslid and I agree with that so very much. This is why I am like you and fight so hard that people don't get deceived and fall away/get separated from God, losing salvation.

As a teen, young adult etc. I was so on fire for God and spoke of Him constantly with passion. Years later I fell into a deception and into sin. I knew I was sinning. I went through the motions of religion for the sake of my family, but I would not speak of God or keep Him in my heart.

Later, I was revived to the fear of God. I was awaken and shaken that I better live for God or face Him mighty wrath. I praise God I'm not separated from Him anymore. Same thing happened to David and Solomon.
---Anne on 6/26/09

Kathr~ (Your last post to me was very respectful and hope we can continue this way) Remember God is PERFECTLY fair and just and His judgment will be without partiality.

Rom 2:7-8 tells us ETERNAL LIFE to those who by PATIENT CONTINUANCE in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality, BUT to those who are self-seeking and DO NOT OBEY the truth, but obey unrighteouness--indignation and wrath.

vs 9-11 There is NO partiality with God (toward Jew, Greek etc)...those who do EVIL reap destruction, but those who work GOOD reap glory, honor (salvation).
---Anne on 6/26/09

Kathr~ (part3)

Vs 17-24 is basically telling us that we can CALL ourselves Jews (or Christians) and THINK we are saved....BUT if we are living a life that is lacking in humble obedience to God or is dishonoring to God through willfully sinning...then we are basically just blaspheming God, and the name of God is blasphemed among 'Gentiles' since these who "claim to be Jews (or Christian) or followers of God" are not living a life that earnestly exemplifies a sincere desire to live for Him.

The disobedient to God are basically just hypocrites who bring dishonor to God and His good name.

God sees through the bluff and can't be fooled or mocked.
---Anne on 6/26/09

MarkV speak for yourself you may not have quit sinning, But I do not willfully sin and have not willfully sinned in years. I have faults but that's what they are, but I do not have to answer to the world and what they say is perfect, but I do have to answer to God and what he says is perfect. And God says that I can be perfect in love. And that means every thing and decision I make must be because I love God and want to obey him to do what ever it takes to love those that love him and love the world enough to tell them the truth. If we love God we will obey the Gospel and as long as you are doing that you will not willfully sin. Christians that willfully sin are backslid.
---exzucuh on 6/26/09

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Anne, I have many times. no where does it say these people were saved. Paul is laying down the foundation from the beginning of time, and continues to through out Romans.

Now please compare what Paul said about himself in Phil he was someone who KNEW God's word, and kept teh law, and considered himself BLAMELESS...a perfect conscience he believed he had before God.

Paul was LOST as LOST can be, and admits it. He counted ALL that dung in comparison to KNOWING CHRIST and HIS Righteousness, and threw away any idea he had any of his own, or could stand before God in and of himself.

Please don't take Romans 2 OUT of CONTEXT.

Even Abel knew without a redeemer he was nothing. CAIN failed completely!
---kathr4453 on 6/26/09

Kathr, I also have a problem with Anne and the passages she provides, because the context is different then what she convey's. But I agree with Anne, that you get angry real fast. I haven't seen her mad. I myself would love to discuss things with you, but I'm afraid to open the door to sin. I put what I disagree with and why, try to furnish Scripture.
I am also with you that when Miche got mad at you, it was unfair too because all you did was quote Scripture and she said she didn't want quotes but testimonies. What I see here is a lot of sin from those who claims they don't sin. Others throw the devil at you. Instead of working for Christ they change sides. Lets at least pretend we are face to face speaking of godly things.
---MarkV. on 6/26/09

Nicely said Frances, Nana and Exzucuh.

Kathr~ You're correct in that yes MarkV and I regularly disagree. But Mark's tone and mannerisms are usually calm and respectful so he does not exude an aggressive tone which would seem 'bullyish.' That is what I was trying to convey. I don't mind disagreements as long as the conversations stays respectful, and honest.
---Anne on 6/26/09

Kathr~ Yes...Read Romans 2.
---Anne on 6/26/09

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Exzucuh, I agree with both of your comments. Nothing whatsoever is wrong. There is no excuses for sinning. None whatsoever. But no one is perfect as of yet. Everyone is still in the flesh and will continue in the flesh until they die. When our new bodies are given, then and only then will we be perfect for Christ. Until that time, we strive to reach our goal. No one has arrived. The whole of Scripture teaches how genuine believers should live. We are without excuse. It teaches, "Don't do that" don't cheat, don't fight, don't judge others also. "Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself, for you who judge practice the same things"
---MarkV. on 6/26/09

1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy, for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

2 Corinthians 6:17-18 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing, and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

2 Corinthians 6:6 By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,

Ephesians 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
---exzucuh on 6/26/09

Man cannot live by bread alone but by every word that God speaks. not the words you choose,It is wrong to pick scriptures that justify excuses for behavior unacceptable to God. The word is a light to reveal not a fig leaf to cover your nakedness. To quote scripture to justify your sinfulness is rebellion, a false balance that God hates and is an abomination.
The word is a two edged sword ,Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
---exzucuh on 6/26/09

4. If a person obeyed conscience without knowing God's word, these too are saved.
---Anne on 6/24/09

Anne, can you find any scripture to back this up.

God put a conscience of right and wrong in every human being. Many who are not saved or had their conscience purged by the Blood of Christ to SERVE the Living God do in their own goodness things out of their own morally good conscience many great things. To say they are SAVED is not true.

Salvation is in a person...Jesus Christ....

Romans obey that form of doctrine once delivered IS to obey ( believe) that in Adam all DIED. And in Christ only will one be made alive...forgiven, cleansed etc.
---kathr4453 on 6/26/09

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Christians should follow after wholesome pursuits. Take 2 Peter 1 beyond what Kath posted and that call is evident in the admonition, "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, and to virtue knowledge, And to knowledge temperance, and to temperance patience, and to patience godliness, And to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness charity. "
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ."
If we ADD, we know then that those are not IMPUTED, they need to be labored, sought.
"they say, and do not."
---Nana on 6/25/09

Holy living is required. Not one jot or tittle of the law is gone till all be fulfilled. The way to fulfill the law is to love God (aka good) and to love your neighbour. To do as you would be done by. If you don't fulfill these laws then you are pretty much on your own. God does not abide in you. How then can you get to Heaven without a living relationship with the Lord?
---frances008 on 6/25/09

We are saved by grace through faith.

1. Many people mostly focus on 'grace' part of salvation. They correctly say Jesus died on the cross for our sins. This is a gift of grace and apart from Jesus' sacrifice no soul could be saved.

2. The 'faith' part is often where false doctrine occurs/faith is 'watered down.' The Bible says faith without works is dead. These are not works of man, but the works of God living in our lives which evidences true saving faith.
Evidenced by (as Jesus/apostles preached):

-Abiding in Lord
-Following Holy Spirit
-Obeying Lord/His Word
-Loving God/neighbor
-Growing in love & fear of God
-Forsaking darkness/sin, Walking in Light
-Keeping clear conscience
-Doing God's will
---Anne on 6/25/09

1. If a person knows not God he is going to hell no matter how great of a guy he is.
2. If a person know's about God, no matter how great a guy he is, if he has no faith in Christ, he is going to hell.
3. If a person has a true love for Christ, he is a genuine believer, for no one lost love's Christ.
4. If a person has faith in the Works of Christ on the cross for his sins, and believes God raised him from the dead, he will be saved.
5. If a person, whether saved or not, declares he has no sin, he does not know the truth. And declares God is a liar.
6. If a person is save he has eternal life.
7. If a person is holy, it is only because of Christ in his life. Remove Christ and all you see are filfy rags.
---MarkV. on 6/25/09

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Well Anne, should I name YOUR list of those YOU pick on...if that is what you call it.

You don't agree with markV...are you picking on him?

You say one can lose their salvation. With that Anne, you are saying ONE has to work to keep. Working to Keep your salvation is selfrighteousness.

So Anne, are you saying if one disagrees with you , they are picking on you?

Why is it about YOU? It's not about you Anne.

Frances doesn't believe in original sin. I'll pick on that issue too!

Should I go on?
---kathr4453 on 6/25/09

Mark E, I believe that every believer should strive to be more like Christ, and that all genuine believers are doing just that, through the power of the Holy Spirit. Here is the problem that exist, Matthew 5:48 or Eph. 1:4 does not suggest that in this life were are ever perfect. Or because we are born of the Spirit we become perfect. We are all trying to reach our goal, and we don't reach it until we get new bodies. Only one person was and still is perfect, Christ Jesus.
Suzie said we should be perfect, Lee answered:
If you can be perfect, then you really do not need Jesus or the righteousness that is from him.

Lee said to her,
Obviously you are very blind to your spiritual condition. Even Paul admited to sin in his life
---MarkV. on 6/25/09

We need to do nothing to be holy because anything we do(flesh) will be counted as unholy.
If we rest in HIM(faith), HE will make us holy. For only God is good and holy. We need to be born of HIS Spirit and share in HIS Spirit. A holy life is Christ in you.
---duane on 6/25/09

Kathr~ It's tough to tell you things so plainly and brutally honest, but in all honesty when you talk to people many times it sounds like you are bullying them. Maybe you did not realize it, but I hope in the future you'll be more careful.

Kathr, you accused me of a very rude thing in saying 'self-righteousness.'

Self-righteous/Pharisees were people Jesus spoke of harshly since they were hypocrites who followed the religious laws of men and focused on doing these acts to earn salvation (ceremonial tasks, holy days etc.) At the same time they did wicked things like steal from widows and parade themselves publicly.

When people (including myself) teach to follow the Holy Spirit, their conscience, etc is not self-righteous.
---Anne on 6/25/09

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Kathr~ I was just curious if you have a list of people to pick on or bully?

It used to be 'pick on Frances'
then it was 'pick on Nana'
then 'pick on MarkV'
then 'pick on Miche'
Now it's 'pick on Anne'

Is there a place I can sign to get off your list of people to pick on? That would be most wonderful. Please tell me where to sign.

Hey, wow, I think there is a whole line up of people who would like to sign as well! Don't crowd now, please, everyone stay in a neat and orderly line.
---Anne on 6/25/09

Kathr~ Miche, Exzucuh, Nana, Gordon, and I and several others teach exactly the same. If you want to lie and say we teach self-righteousness, then that is on your own head and you will have to deal with that false assumption.

We teach Christ living in a Christian and Christians living in obedience to the Holy Spirit. This is the way Kathr.

I don't know WHY you have to twist what I say. Miche understands you at times and has patience to speak with you, but I simply don't understand your tactics or even desire to understand them.
---Anne on 6/25/09

Actually, Anne, you did not say that at all, or do you teach this.

You teach a selfrighteousness. WE must do this or that...WE must obey this or that....and that spounds all good, but WHAT exactly we are to obey is under question here.

The OBEDIENCE we are called to is stated in Phil 2....Keeping this mind in you that was also in Christ Jesus....who became obedient unto death...even death of a cross.

We are to be made conformable to His death...again stated in Phil 3.

THIS is what being conformed to His image is....

We carry around in our body the Dying of Christ SO THAT the LIFE OF CHRIST is made manifest IN US!!!

This IS the Gospel according to the Mystery!!!Christ in you!
---kathr4453 on 6/25/09

Kathr~ Obviously.... Did I not say that?
---Anne on 6/25/09

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4. If a person obeyed conscience without knowing God's word, these too are saved.
---Anne on 6/24/09

Anne, the question here is concerning Holiness and Godliness. The ONLY Holiness and Godliness is that of being partakers of HIS Divine nature. This is what 2nd Peter 1 is talking about.

The Fruit of the Spirit...IS actually the Divine Nature of Christ in you....

You can't get that by any other way then what Galatians says.....those who are Christ's have crucified the Flesh....and by this way ONLY is HIS POWER through us manifest.

against such there is no law...why, because no where in the LAW is the Fruit of the Spirit required!

THIS IS the Righteousness that EXCEEDS the righteousness of the Pharisees!
---kathr4453 on 6/25/09

If we aren't living in the Light (holiness) then we are not deciples of Christ.

If a person says he's a follower of Christ, yet knowingly engaging in sinful behavior/deeds (unholiness), these are not followers of Christ. These people have not repented sincerely and the Bible teaches these are followers of the evil one.

Christ will judge everyone in perfect justice:

1. If a person KNEW God's will yet walked contrary to God's will these are judged harshest.

2. If a person consciencely sinned but did not know the Bible, these receive lesser punishment/stripes.

3. If a person KNEW God's will and LIVED by it, he is saved!

4. If a person obeyed conscience without knowing God's word, these too are saved.
---Anne on 6/24/09

We make our callling and election sure by our obedience of FAITH
2 Peter 1

1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: 2Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, 3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
---kathr4453 on 6/24/09

Where shall one get this Holiness? -mima

You should really ask God, brother to reveal this to you. It is there in the scripture.
If you as a mature Christian are asking HOW we get holiness, I am wondering if you have enough faith in Christ.
He says he will teach you all things according to HIS righteousness. That he will remove and PRUNE anything out of you that is unclean.
I am wondering why do you doubt this?
We make our calling and election sure by FOLLOWING CHRIST and letting him lead. When we do this, we walk in His Spirit we will not succumb to the flesh and we will not sin.
---miche3754 on 6/23/09

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Samuel, Miche, and Mark Eaton~ Great responses! Yes it is Jesus living in us that causes holiness.

We can't serve 2 is either the Lord, and not the Lord. We have to choose. We have to watch ourselves....what we put in our minds/hearts, what we view, listen to, do etc etc. all have positive or negative effects on a spiritual journey.

Remember, eternal life is something we'll eventually reap...

The Bible teaches if we've been feeding to the flesh we'll reap destruction...

BUT, if we feed to the Spirit we'll reap eternal life.

Feed to the Spirit and love the Lord with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength.

God bless!
---Anne on 6/22/09

Someone asked is it a requirement of what? I think that the question means a req't for salvation. I would ask the question what is meant by 'holiness'. The Pharisees were very holy in a pious sense.
---frances008 on 6/22/09

We get our Holiness from JESUS living in us. He give us power to overcome sin.
---Samuel on 6/22/09

Where shall one get this Holiness? Through great personal effort? Strict adherence to laws? None of the above. In Revelation 15:4 we can find the answer. " Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? FOR THOU ONLY ART HOLY: for all nations shall come and worship before thee, for thy judgments are made manifest" this scripture states that only Jesus is holy, and to obtain that Holiness for ourselves we must have ourselves completely surrendered to the Lord Jesus Christ and his righteousness(and Holiness)!!!
---mima on 6/22/09

From Christ in you and when you get saved YOU become Christ's temple.
Christ does not dwell in a dirty sinful temple.
"Know ye not that ye are the temple of the Lord?!"
---miche3754 on 6/22/09

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I do believe it is up to us to control the thoughts that we allow to come to rest in our mind. As Paul told us in Col.3:2 "Set your mind on things above."

Thoughts have great potential for good or evil but only when pondered. If we allow 'evil thoughts' to come to rest in our minds and meditate on the pleasures of such, we will certainly be on the road to destruction!

Our pondered thoughts will build us up or tear us down spiritually. It is our choice to ponder thoughts that will cause us to draw near to God or ponder thoughts that will cause us to turn away from God.

If we sow to please the sinful nature we reap destruction, but if we sow to please the Spirit we reap eternal life!!
(Gal 6:7-8)
---Anne on 6/22/09


Right on target!

1 Thes 4:3 "For this is the will of God, your sanctification, that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality".

Matt 5:48 "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect"

Eph 1:4 "just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him"

Eph 4:1 "Therefore I, the prisoner of the Lord, implore you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called,"

Col 3:5 "Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry"
---Mark_Eaton on 6/22/09

Yes!! Holiness is required!! As Anne's post says-"
"Without holiness, no man shall see the Lord." (Heb 12,14)
---Anne on 6/21/09
Where shall one get this Holiness? Through great personal effort? Strict adherence to laws? None of the above. In Revelation 15:4 we can find the answer. " Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? FOR THOU ONLY ART HOLY: for all nations shall come and worship before thee, for thy judgments are made manifest" this scripture states that only Jesus is holy, and to obtain that Holiness for ourselves we must have ourselves completely surrendered to the Lord Jesus Christ and his righteousness(and Holiness)!!!
---mima on 6/22/09

"Without holiness, no man shall see the Lord." (Heb 12,14)
---Anne on 6/21/09

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Growing up we all were expecting to change our lives to fit Gods way. 2 Timothy 2:19 ,the Lord knoweth them that are his,And,let everyone who nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. John 8:34 Jesus said unto them,verily,verily,I say unto you,Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. Romans 6:6 Knowing this,that our old man is crucified with him,that the body of sin might be destroyed,that henceforth we should not serve sin. Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body,that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Romans 6:18,20 Being then made free from sin,ye became the servants of righteousness. For when ye were the servants of sin,ye were free from righteousness.
---Darlene_1 on 6/21/09

God's desire has always been that we learn to properly use the knowledge that was gained in the Garden of Eden (KNOWLEDGE of good and evil) should be our desire also...

1 Kings 3:9
"Give thy servant therefore an understanding mind...that I may discern between good and evil".

In fact, it is the only way we can be fed with "solid food" so that we can have a "more excellent" devotion (mature relationship) after being "trained" (2 Timothy 3:16) in the "doctrine of Christ" (Hebrews 6:1).

Hebrews 5:14
"But solid food is for the MATURE,...distinguish GOOD FROM EVIL"...("sword" of discernment, Ephesians 6:17).
---more_excellent_way on 6/21/09

Holy living comes by following Christ. His two commandments. Love your Creator and his children, which just happens to be all mankind. Just keep trying and believe that God first loved us. We are not going to be perfect in this life. But try and look at the cross. The debt has been paid.
---carpenter on 6/7/09

"He which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation, because it is written, 'Be' ye holy, for I am holy. According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. [Therefore] 'Follow peace with all [men]', and 'holiness' (the effect of His consecration), without which no man shall see the Lord:" Man can only be deemed holy, because He is Holy, and by His grace, indwells those whom He has called, chosen, and justified. Without His indwelling presence man can not catch his next breath, let alone live holy.
1Pe. 1:15,16>Eph, 1:4>1Th 4:7>Heb. 12:14
---joseph on 6/7/09

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Moderator....Thank you for taking that blog off. Just another example of unholy living.
---SusieB on 6/5/09

The woman at the well also sincerely sought God's kingdom...and she discovered the water that would flow from Christ's side (that all the sincere must have, John 7:38) and will consecrate/baptize their heart (we are the inner temple) to the outer temple (Jesus).

In three days, Jesus built the new worship temple in His own BODY...

John 2:19, 21
"three days"...He was speaking of the temple of HIS BODY".

WE are the INNER temple (1 Corin. 3:16 and 6:19).

There should be no public prayer or worship with "lips"/sound.

Matthew 6:6
"But when you pray, go into your room".

Jesus abolished the old (Ephesians 4:15) so we could live the new and PERFECT (James 1:25, 2:12).
---more_excellent_way on 6/5/09

Because "God is light" (1 John 1:5), we should "walk as children of light" being "good and right and true"...

Ephesians 5:8, 9
"walk as children of light,...for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true".

"Good and right and true" must summarize our character (not a PERSONALITY of goodness, it must be our true NATURE) many truly have a pure heart except those who ask such questions about living holy? (seek and you shall find).

The second description of God is "God is LOVE" (1 John 4:8),...God is not FAITH, God is LOVE (our relationship/devotion must be based "the GREATEST of these", 1 Corin. 13:13, 1 Corin. 12:31).
---more_excellent_way on 6/5/09

There are a few principles to living a holy life, but it all comes from simply having a pure/contrite heart (God's spirit can only bear witness with OUR SPIRIT/character, our character must be compatible with His)...

Romans 8:16
"it is the Spirit himself (GOD'S SPIRIT) bearing witness with OUR SPIRIT that we are children of God".

Instead of being prideful and seeking the fruits of the Holy Spirit (they are owned and manifested by GOD), WE (SELF) should have the "FRUIT OF LIGHT" (a pure hearted person is "good and right and true" in all of their conduct), other words, a truly decent and righteous person.

(continued next reply)

Verses are from RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 6/5/09

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moreexcellentway- The question was supposed to be a thought-provoking one to discuss. We can gain new insights into holy living. Some people seem to think they can act, speak and write any kind of way and they are holy enough. They don't want to give up their sins. What do you think? Why don't you help me out about this and tell me how to live holy.

Yes, I read the Bible & am a Christian.
---Betty on 6/5/09

---Samuel are you saying that you are without sin?
---mima on 6/5/09

Yes, yes, YES!!! The Scriptures declare that without Holiness, no man will even see the LORD, let alone go to live in His Heaven. He also says in the Scriptures to "Be ye holy, as I AM Holy." It's a Commandment. Heaven is a Holy Place for a holy people. If a "christian", or any unbeliever, lived in constant sin, they would feel totally uncomfortable and out-of-place in Heaven. GOD and Heaven are TOO Holy for sinners to handle. They shrivel up before Him in His Presence!
---Gordon on 6/5/09

it is strange to me that this question needs to be asked. Has the Christian faith so deteriated that people think you can live in sin and go to live in a sinless heaven?

I believe the answer is unfortunalty yes.

But the Bible states that you cannot.

Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
---Samuel on 6/5/09

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I believe it can be a natural result of faith.choosing to follow jesus in all areas of ones life daily leads to holy living.
---tom2 on 6/5/09

Yes, if you want to be with Jesus. I was going to say if you want to go to Heaven, but really being with Jesus is the most important thing.
---amand6348 on 6/4/09

A requirement for what?
---TIMOTHY on 6/4/09

Holy Living IS a requirement of ALL Christians. God says we are to be holy as He is holy (1 Peter 1:15-16). There are rules to living holy (1 Peter 1:13-2:3, Colossians 3:1-17).
---Leslie on 6/4/09

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How are you defining "holy"?. Have you accepted Jesus as savior? Are you peaceful, just, and humble with a pure heart? It seems a strange question since it's clearly stated numerous times in scripture that we should be holy...

1 Peter 1:15 (this is just one)

"as he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in all your conduct".

I would think that anyone familiar with scripture would take this as a given (are you familiar at all with scripture, or are you new to the bible?).

God wants us to be "good and right and true" (the fruit of light, Ephesians 5:8), is that how you define "holy", or do you define it as going to church buildings and doing certain "practices"?.
---more_excellent_way on 6/4/09

A requirement? I tend to think of it more as a product of tremendous grace and the gratitude welled up within for our redeemer and friend.

He requires that we love him, because if we love him we'll want to do those things, and in our hearts we'll require it of our self. This is why commands are foolishness, who needs commands when the desire is from the heart? If we offer meekness to be led, and were truly filled with his Spirit then all that he asks will be done because it will be the joy of our soul, and the tireless joyful work of his leading that accomplishes it.
---Pharisee on 6/4/09

The alternative is unholy living. Jesus requires holy living, not unholy living. Jesus said, "If you love me, keep my commandments."
---SusieB on 6/4/09

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