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Discern Wheat From The Tares

While some will call it judgement, God says that we are to be discerning and know and expose the wheat (God's TRUE people) from the tares (claim to be God's, but are of the devil). Comments?

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Kathr,
Why do you say God in us? You glory in sin. It is not God who is in you, but someone else. You do not have a new nature, but have the old sinning nature. You probably learned to bluff from Mark, that is all. Jesus died in the cross not for anybody to continue in sin and to mock him calling Lord Lord, but refusing to obey him. Stinking filthy sinners are not perfect in him, but they are abomination to him.
---Dave on 6/15/09

Dave, Colossians 1...Christ in you the Hope of Glory...Jesus Christ IS GOD.

Chapter 2, our identification with Jesus Christ. Chapter 3, we are Hidded with God IN CHRIST Jesus.

Why do you call me a filthy dirty sinner? I don't glory in sin, I Glory in Christ. You glory in yourself!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/15/09


Dave:

Please read Romans chapter 7 and let me know what Paul means when he says "Who will set me free from the body of this death?" (verse 24).

Paul mentions two laws in Rom. 7, the law of God in the inner man and the Old Testament Law. The Old Testament Law became death when we sinned. Before we are saved we are in bondage to sin. The Old Testament Law only condemns us. The law of God in the inner man joyfully agrees with God and readily obeys Him. The inner man wars with the flesh because the flesh wants to sin and the inner man want to honor God.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/15/09


Let us ready ourselves for the calling of the bride unto the Marriage Supper.

Be as a virgin bride that readies herself for her groom, which in our case the Lord is the Groom and we that are "Faithful" in all things, are "The Bride"...

Ask yourselves, Am I a "Faithful" fiancee/bride?

If not, purify yourselves through fasting & prayer and humble yourselves unto Him(God).
Repent of any transgressions against him(God), he is faithful & just and will forgive us of our sins, find that place that brought you to God in the 1st place, because it was then that the Holy Ghost paid you a visit.
Pour your Holy Ghost/Spirit upon us Father, so that we may fulfill thy will
YLBD
---YLBD on 6/15/09


Kathr,
Why do you say God in us? You glory in sin. It is not God who is in you, but someone else. You do not have a new nature, but have the old sinning nature. You probably learned to bluff from Mark, that is all. Jesus died in the cross not for anybody to continue in sin and to mock him calling Lord Lord, but refusing to obey him. Stinking filthy sinners are not perfect in him, but they are abomination to him.
---Dave on 6/15/09


Dave..my NEW MAN created in Righteousness and Holiness, born of GOD DOES NOT SIN. ...We are Created IN CHRIST. GOD in us DOES NOT SIN. Doesn't that mean anything to you at all.

Dave my New Nature does not sin...it is impossible. This IS what John is teaching.

Those who trample underfoot the Son of God are those who REJECT the finished work of Christ......this is what Hebrews 10 is all about...to those who keep it in context starting with verse 1 and read the WHOLE chapter.

The blood of bulls and goats could never make anyone PERFECT...In Christ and HIS BLOOD, we are Perfect IN HIM!!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/15/09




Thank you Dave, I too appreciate your presentations and follow along with your expositions. May the Lord always keep you blessed.
---Nana on 6/14/09


Pharisee,
It is not wise that you are trying to burst Romans 8:13, using Romans 7:17. Is the word of God divided? Are you not ignorant?

In Romans, Paul is neither confessing his sins, nor writing his testimony. But he was teaching Roman believers hypothetically using first person style. He was explaining the position of a sinning person. Even though the sinner calls God, he still is a wretched man. The apostle explains the remedy to that sinner in the eighth chapter when the sinner become the one who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Nana is wise in quoting God's word with the right explanation.
---Dave on 6/14/09


Romans 8:13: "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die,: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."
---Nana on 6/14/09

Not to be argumentative but LIKE I SAID, if it's in your heart...Who with the glory and love of God in their heart lives after the flesh? Read Paul's account, according to his words when he sins (because deep in his heart he loves God and agrees with him) it is no longer he that does it but sin that dwells in him. (Romans 7:17)

Let's not be gracebusters, maybe you can make a hit movie out of it, but at the end of the day we all need at least a little grace.
---Pharisee on 6/14/09


Nana,

Your presentation so wonderful. God bless you.
---Dave on 6/14/09


My Bible tells me that we are to be fruit inspectors, but not grain judges. The wheat and the tares grow up together until the harvest (2nd coming of Jesus). That's when they are separated, and the decision as to which camp each one of us belongs is the great judgement of God Himself - not us defective mortals. PTL!
---jerry6593 on 6/14/09




1 John 2:2-5,
"And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him."
The Gospel is not all good news (depends on one's own perspective),
Romans 8:13: "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die,: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."
---Nana on 6/14/09


If it's in your heart it's what you love, it may not always translate properly through the flesh (spirit is willing flesh weak) and that's why it's thankful that God looks upon the heart.

Saying that anybody is "keeping commands" is a lie, either Jesus is your propitiation for sin or he isn't. So you are either judged according to your own merit against the ten Commandments or you're found in Christ and "Justified," that's the gospel, not that you get unsaved every time you sin, that's definitely not "good news." If it were true you could die in your sins unaware, God is a perfect Father not a negligent one. Would you give your child a broken car seat? neither would God provide a plan of salvation that fails.
---Pharisee on 6/13/09


Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:
25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Why would we have to be seperated if we are suppose to seperate ourselves?
I don't think the wheat or the sheep can make that decision.
---MIchael on 6/13/09


Exzucuh,

I just asked you again and again for you to realize that you did not make any sense. As a proud man, you juggled around. It is okay.

"Romans 6:18 ... made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." Made free from sins, that is made sinless and became righteous. God's law is that sinning people will face eternal death. Since they are sinless they are free from that law, meaning that they are not guilty by that law and they go free. It happened by the work of the Spirit of God.
---Dave on 6/13/09


Romans 7:4So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God. 5For when we were controlled by the sinful nature,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. 6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
---Christina on 6/13/09


If you would read what I write with Spiritual understanding you would have your explanation
I always explain with scripture and example. Those that cannot understand what I say, keep asking me to explain it again. There is nothing to say again, The word has already said it. Obey the Gospel and you will fulfill the Law. Christians do not keep the Law they walk in the Spirit, If you do not have the Spirit of God you will not know what I mean.
So get God's Spirit in your life and he will lead you into all truth. And Jesus will live his Life through you as long as you Obey the Gospel.
---Exzucuh on 6/13/09


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Every time you sin (which should be DAILY - if you are human), you put Christ back onto the cross and trample on the blood. This is why we need to REPENT DAILY. Yes, if you are a TRUE Christian, you are dead to sin's power, NOT to it's presence. There is a differance. Sin still abides in you because you are human. The desire to sin does NOT exist because now you want to please God, NOT self. If you obey the entire Bible (Genesis to Revelation) and God's Commands (10 Commandments) it is a sign that you are being taught and led by the Holy Spirit (because He ALWAYS lines up with the Bible). No where in the N.T. does it command to stop obeying the 10 Commandments -this is FALSE doctrine.
---Leslie on 6/13/09


"2nd -they will obey and keep ALL of the Bible (Genesis to Revelation)"

Thou shalt not bear false witness!
---Pharisee on 6/13/09


Michael,
Yes, it is sad. You won't make it.
---Dave on 6/13/09


Kathr,
"1John 3:9 Whosoever is BORN OF GOD DOTH NOT COMMIT SIN." But, you proclaim that not only you commit sin but you will continue to sin until you die. By this statement, you are not born of God. Every time you sin, you are dead again. You are going through death upon death upon death. You are confused. You think it is born again, whereas it is dead again.
---Dave on 6/12/09


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you are all posting the same thought and arguing about it... kinda funny.. and yet sad at the same time...
---MIchael on 6/12/09


Exzucuh,

You have said: "Christians Do not Keep the law they Obey the Gospel and fulfill the Law." Since you wrote it I asked your explanation. If you know the answer, you should explain it. If it is written by God, the Holy Spirit will teach. Do you think that you are God so that the Holy Spirit will teach your confusion?

1. Do not keep the law, but fulfill the law- how? 2. Then, obey the gospel- how? If you know the answer to what you wrote, explain it. If you don't know it, say so.
---Dave on 6/12/09


Michael,
It is good that you are beginning to learn the word of God. If you keep it up without messing it up with false preachers, you will make it.
---Dave on 6/12/09


The ones that TRULY belong to God will be distinguished by the following characteristics: 1st -they will be lead and taught by the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:5-14, 1 Corinthians 2:6-16, 1 John 2:27), 2nd -they will obey and keep ALL of the Bible (Genesis to Revelation) and God's commands (10 Commandments) (John 14:15, 1 John 2:3-6), 3rd -they will die to themselves (desires and flesh) and put God FIRST (Luke 14:26-27), 4th -they will love and honor the Jewish people, and become ONE with them (Ephesians 2:14-18), and 5th -they will love others, which binds all the others together (John 15:9-12). Anything outside of this = FALSE convert, NOT Christian (tare).
---Leslie on 6/12/09


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And we don't just get saved and stay where we are. God is conforming us to the Image of Jesus Christ from Glory to Glory by the Spirit of the Lord...again...He doesn't do this to unsaved people.
---kathr4453 on 6/12/09

Really, the Pharisees thought to say way:

Whenthe scribes of the Pharisees saw that He was eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they said to His disciples, "Why is He eating and drinking with tax collectors and sinners?"

And hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick, I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

And he is still doing that even today!
---Ruben on 6/12/09


Kathr,

You are proud to proclaim that you will be sinning until you die. When you say New Birth, you mean New Death. You are confused.

Read the scriptures: "1John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
---Dave on 6/12/09


Those who are BEGOTTEN SONS through Jesus Christ do NOT practice sin. Those who continually practice sin are children of the devil....ARE NOT SAVED.

---kathr4453 on 6/12/09

Again talking to the does who are Saved (1Jhn 1: 7-10)

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Alot of IF's!
---Ruben on 6/12/09


Kathr,
You said: "We become ETERNAL beings at our New Birth. The ETERNAL God, lives in us."

If you are keep on sinning, then eternal devil is living in you. He is the one sinning from the beginning. God does not sin. Dave***

Again I ask you to read 1st John 3 and 1st John 5.

Those who are BEGOTTEN SONS through Jesus Christ do NOT practice sin. Those who continually practice sin are children of the devil....ARE NOT SAVED.

You are either a Begotten Son through Jesus Christ or you are not.

You're either a Child of God or a Child of the Devil. God hates murder and abortion. God is not in the practice murder or abortion under any circumstances. God does not ABORT a begotten Son through Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 6/12/09


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Ruben, I re-read 1st John last night. Boy what a blessing.

There are so many truths there, more than words can express.

That you can KNOW you HAVE eternal life.

---kathr4453 on 6/12/09

And how is it we have eternal life, the same book you said you read:

" Let that therefore abide in you which ye heard from the begining If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son and in the Father."V 2:24

"And now, little children, abide in him that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming."V 2:28

And he is talking to the saved!
---Ruben on 6/12/09


I do not commit Adultery. So the law is fulfilled, What exactly are you asking? I have
come to the conclusion just now, that I am not like a lot of other people that claim Christianity, I did not know so many do not even bear witness to Jesus living in them or cannot hear the Holy Spirit. This is something that some of you need to clarify because I surely cannot give you spiritual understanding, you have to get that from God yourself. If you cannot understand Spiritual things, I am just talking
in tongues and not accomplishing anything.
---Exzucuh on 6/12/09


I like to ask an explanation. One of the commandments is not to commit adultery. How to obey? How to fulfill? What is the difference? Thanks.
---Dave on 6/12/09
I'd like to answer as well if I may.
Jesus boils down the OT, Matthew 22:36-40, Mark 12:29-34, Luke 10:26-29.
Paul re-emphasizes this, Romans 13:8-10
Notice Mark 12:34 and also Matthew 19:20, just following the commandments doesn't quite get you there.
The fulfillment is made clear, John 3:16 and also touched on by Paul, Romans 13:8-10.
The key that links all this together is love. So, not by need, but by want will the children of God follow His commandments.
The in-dwelling Spirit guides and testifies to this and is furthur explained, Romans 7,8 and 1John 1,2
---MIchael on 6/12/09


I do not keep the Law ,I know what the law says butI have the Holy Spirit, he is my teacher he is the one that has taught me everything I know about the word. Every situation that arises in life I have to make decisions whether I will do the right thing. The Law cannot help me make every decision because problems arise that are not in the Law.The letter killeth, condemns, but the Spirit gives life to the word of God so that it will bring life to every decision. THe Law says that I cannot worship Jesus, who is a man or put him before God but the Holy Spirit clarifies that law so I can know what God is really saying. The Jews cannot do that because they keep the law. And cannot hear the Holy Spirit.
---Exzucuh on 6/12/09


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We are to leave the Tares alone,
they are Marching to satan's drums. Ushering in God's Divine Plan

Documentation: We are told in Matthew 13:27-30 to leave them alone as the angels will get them at the time of harvest.

Gabby
---Gabby on 6/12/09


Ruben, I re-read 1st John last night. Boy what a blessing.

There are so many truths there, more than words can express.

We KNOW we've passed from death to life when we love the brethren

That you can KNOW you HAVE eternal life.

We are Begotten Sons through Jesus Christ, and on and on.


Yes, the sanctification process in our life will and does continue. But ONLY for those who are already saved.

And we don't just get saved and stay where we are. God is conforming us to the Image of Jesus Christ from Glory to Glory by the Spirit of the Lord...again...He doesn't do this to unsaved people.

Those whom God has Justified, God HAS also Glorified. That's Future, but it's already done Eternally!
---kathr4453 on 6/12/09


John 7:24 Jesus said, "...judge righteous judgment." That means discern before you judge, right? Don't judge according to appearance, but discern the truth of the matter. 2Corinthians 6:14,15 "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?" 2Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing, and I will receive you...." We have to have common sense.
---Betty on 6/12/09


kathr4453 If salvation were on a day by day basis, it wouldn't be called ETERNAL life.

2 Tim. 1:9 - He saved us (past event)

Titus 3:5 - He saved us (Past event)

1 Cor. 1:18 - but for to us who are being saved,(Present event)

2 Cor. 2:15 - for we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved. (present event)

Rom. 13:11 - salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed. (Future event)

1 Cor. 3:15 - he will be saved, but only as through fire. (Future event)

Rom. 5:9-10 - since we are justified by His blood, we shall be saved.(Future event)

---Ruben on 6/12/09


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Kathr,
You said: "We become ETERNAL beings at our New Birth. The ETERNAL God, lives in us."

If you are keep on sinning, then eternal devil is living in you. He is the one sinning from the beginning. God does not sin.

You said: "it wouldn't be called ETERNAL life." You are right. You have eternal death.

Once the Spirit of the Life of Christ indwells you, you cannot sin. If the devil lives in you, you can keep on sinning.

You are confused between eternal life and eternal death. You are confused between spirit of God and spirit of Satan. You are confused between born again and dead again.
---Dave on 6/12/09


Kathr,
You are blind spiritually. I wonder, are you physically also blind, may be at lest partially? You could not read Roman 3:25, even after it was quoted? Let me quote it one more time. "Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God,"

Further, Hebrew 10:10 does not apply to you. You are sanctified to keep on sinning. The enemy of God sanctified you. God sanctifies people to be holy.
---Dave on 6/12/09


kathr4453 - While you are correct that evil is the absence of light, you are WRONG on all other points. Satan has NO power to create anything. God is the ONLY one that can create (besides humans who are made in His image). God DID create tares. I am NOT suggesting that God created evil, however, tares like Satan, his demons, and humans CHOOSE to be in darkness. You see God creates ONLY good. His creation has a CHOICE to turn their backs on Him and reject Him. Satan and his demons were (created to be good) angels in Heaven, who CHOSE to fall. The tares are created to look like the wheat (good) but CHOOSE to be something else (bad). People are created by God to be good and serve God, we CHOOSE to sin and be evil, not following God.
---Leslie on 6/12/09


We become ETERNAL beings at our New Birth. The ETERNAL God, lives in us. If salvation were on a day by day basis, it wouldn't be called ETERNAL life. We're no longer seen by God after the Flesh, but after the Spirit. Our Spirits are now ETERNAL. Once the Spirit of the Life of Christ indwells you, Christ in you cannot die. To lose ones eternal life, The ETERNAL GOD HIMSELF would have to perish in you.

Eternal life is ETERNAL life because all our FUTURE sins have been forgiven!!! Otherwise the moment we become born-again we would loose our salvation right away because I have moved from the present to the future(because I am now ETERNAL) and there are unintentional sins, sins of ommisions, sins of no knowledge that I don't even know about.
---kathr4453 on 6/12/09


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Dave~ Yes, your point about God forgiving our past sins at the point where we're truly born-again is something few ministries teach but a much needed teaching to be stressed today. It is good you stress that regularly here.
---Anne on 6/12/09


Exzucuh,

You have said: "Christians Do not Keep the law they Obey the Gospel and fulfill the Law."

I think you have said that Christians do not keep the law of Judaism, but you did not mean the law of God.

I like to ask an explanation. One of the commandments is not to commit adultery. How to obey? How to fulfill? What is the difference? Thanks.
---Dave on 6/12/09


Exzucuh~ Thanks for the additional clarification...that was very well said.
---Anne on 6/12/09


Exzucuh,
As a mature person, you should know that the blood represent Jesus Christ. When Rom 3:25 says propitiation through faith in his blood: if I argue saying that our faith must be in God, but not on the blood, what am I? Am I not a smart aleck?
The point here according to the word of God is: that God only forgives the past sins, but not the present or future sins.
---Dave on 6/12/09


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Concepcion,
Is your base Christian philosophy or the word of God?
---Dave on 6/12/09


This is what the Bible says about the Blood of Jesus Christ for those who believe in Jesus of SCRIPTURE!!!!!


Hebrews 10:10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all .

11And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins FOREVER, sat down on the right hand of God,


ONE SACRIFICE for sin forever. Past present FUTURE. JESUS PAID IT ALL....He did it ONCE and He did it for ALL.

Your ONLY sin is Rejecting His GIFT of forgiveness, which is rejecting Him. Romans 10.....Israel's BIG MISTAKE!!
---kathr4453 on 6/12/09


2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF GOD?

2 Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Christians Do not Keep the law they Obey the Gospel and fulfill the Law.
---Exzucuh on 6/12/09


I understand your point in saying the Blood forgives only past sins. But the blood does not forgive sins. The blood is payment for sin God forgives Sin and imputes sin, and what the Father does the son also does. The blood is a fact and law that Sin has been paid for. But like all laws they can be in effect without a person ever knowing they exist. That is why we preach repentance. Newton's 3rd Law: "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." In order to be under the Law of the Forgiveness of sin by the payment of Blood, one has to take action to repent and God will take action to forgive. And he can Forgive those who Obey the Gospel by faith to repent, be baptized in Jesus name and he will give them his Holy Spirit.
---Exzucuh on 6/12/09


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There must be concrete reason why this parable of Jesus was included in the Gospels. From my point of view, I believed that Jesus would like us to be aware of the presence of both good and evil in the world. And because of this, all the more we should work for the spread of His kingdom and for the reduction of evil (meaning to stay away from sin) By doing this we are anticipating the coming of the fullness of His Kingdom, but what He will do in the future will ultimately be up to Him. God Bless to all readers...
---Concepcion_Corotan on 6/11/09


It is important to remember (as Dave wrote on other posts) that God forgives PAST sins.

The Lamb of God Jesus, OBEYED GOD, shed His blood on the cross and died. "Romans 3:25 ...through faith in HIS BLOOD, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are PAST...Heb.5:9 being made perfect, he became the author of Eternal Salvation unto all them that OBEY Him."

The blood of Jesus forgives only the PAST SINS of those who OBEY God.

Thanks Dave for this excellent post you shared with us which deserves repeating since many of today's 'Christians' claim not only their past sins are all forgiven, but also their present and future. However their belief is a fallacy and is a dangerous doctrine.
---Anne on 6/11/09


Leslie~ What are your thoughts about how I tried to express discerning wheat from tares in my post about those who are disobedient and those who are obedient to God. I'd appreciate your thoughts. Thanks!
---Anne on 6/11/09


Leslie~ Thanks and yes I'm trying to stay strong for God despite the constant nit-picking here haha. I guess one has to keep a sense of humor to deal with some of the people here if you know what I mean, and I'm sure you do. Well, take care and strive to maintain your patience. God bless.
---Anne on 6/11/09


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Matthew 13:38 The field is the world,
the good seed are the children of the kingdom,

but the tares are the children of the wicked one,

Matthew 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil,

the harvest is the end of the world, reapers

world, and the reapers are the angels.

Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so shall it be in the end of this world.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels,

and they shall gather

out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity,
---Exzucuh on 6/11/09


The only ones that are in Gods Kingdom are Born again, there are no worldly people in Gods Kingdom. The Devil sowed false Doctrine in the kingdom while the church was sleeping not praying not seeking God,

Revelation 2:15-16 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. Repent, or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
---Exzucuh on 6/11/09


GOD DIVIDES THE WORLD INTO TWO GROUPS:
THE OBEDIENT AND DISOBEDIENT


Anne, The two groups are this.

Those who's sins are forgiven and those who are still in their sin.

Children of the DAY and Children of the night.

Those IN CHRIST and those OUTSIDE.

You have left the sacrifice of Jesus Christ out altogether.


Your 4 points say NOTHING about Jesus death and resurrection. That's a false Gospel.

Concerning another comment on another blog...You use scripture of God talking to a NATION, Israel, and apply to individuals. The Church is not My Peopel Israel who needs to turn from their wicked ways. The Church is the BODY OF CHRIST. so that is calling Jesus Body Wicked.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09


Leslie, you must believe God created evil.

I believe Evil is the absence of God. Not the creation of God. My belief does not make me a Satanist.

God is LIGHT and in Him is no darkness. Satan is darkness and in Him is no light.

Satan, falling from God became darkness...The Light left him.....

You are making a silly argument that I never stated.

God did not CREATE TARES...tares are those who are the children of the devil. God is not the father of the Children of the devil. Never was, and never will be.

Please READ your Bible.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09


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Anne - Thanks and God bless. Keep going stong for God.
---Leslie on 6/11/09


kathr4453 - God created ALL things, including tares. Satan can NOT create anything, ONLY pervert and counterfeit. Satan and his demons were created by God to be angels, just like tares were created by God. Tares are the ones like Satan and his demons, that CHOSE to disobey God. This is all in your Bible. Let the Holy Spirit open these scriptures to you.
---Leslie on 6/11/09


Leslie~ I think you could use a little encouragement and I just want to say I think you are doing an excellent job of teaching here. Stay strong and keep fighting the good fight. God bless.
---Anne on 6/11/09


GOD DIVIDES THE WORLD INTO TWO GROUPS:
THE OBEDIENT AND DISOBEDIENT

I. Obedient Christians: People like Paul, Jesus, Mary. These will be told by God they are good/faithful servants.

II. Obedient to their conscience but never heard of Jesus.: Will be in heaven. (Rom 2:13-16)

III. Disobedient "Christians": These claim to be 'saved' but their works/words deny Him. (I Jn 1:6) They are NOT like Jesus/Paul who preached against the dangers of sin, rather these false teachers teach sin is 'normal' which is Satan's teaching. Receive greatest condemnation come Judgment Day.

IV. Disobedient people who never heard of Jesus: Get less punishment than disobedient "Christians."
---Anne on 6/11/09


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***Satan knows the Bible more than MOST Christians, that is how he is able to pervert the TRUTH and decieve so many.
---Leslie on 6/11/09


Exactly Leslie, that is what I was trying to say on the R/R blog.

You say Satan knows the Bible and perverts the truth. Yet you say God created R/R.

With that, Leslie, please show me in the Bible, His Truth, without perverting any scripture where God created R/R?

It's one thing to know scripture, quite another to have the wisdom to understand and OBEY scripture.

Jesus HIMSELF is made unto us wisdom and understanding. This is what is lacking on these blogs. Everyone believes they are right in their own eyes!
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09


Leslie, you may have a point on blog participants emoting bitterness and Newt Gingrich type sophistry (i.e. intelligence without grace). Some of this is due to the format of blogs of controversial questions and anonymity provided for the participants. This leads to a more boldness than you would find in a town meeting or Sunday School class where we could see each other.
Its true that nobody knows the inner man but that man (Paul to the Corinthians), but your concern of the tenor and graciousness of our entries is well taken.
I am no better than others and true Christians will become sensitive to the tone of our words often judged, as you say, by confused and angry unbelievers who argue on this blog under Satanic influence.
---larry on 6/11/09


It is VERY important to distinguish the wheat from the tares here on the Christianet blogs. Most of the people blogging on Christianet are NOT TRUE Christians. You can tell because their answers do NOT line up with the Bible. They are tares in the wheat trying to decieve even the elect (Matthew 24:24) - like the Bible says. This is also why it is VERY important to read and know the ENTIRE Bible (Genesis to Revelation) - so you will NOT be decieved, but know the TRUTH and the tares. Satan knows the Bible more than MOST Christians, that is how he is able to pervert the TRUTH and decieve so many.
---Leslie on 6/11/09


OK Leslie, I see what you are saying.

So, I do agree, we are to be discerning concerning the Wolves, False prophets, and teachers, and those who have desguised themselves as God's mouthpeace.

Yet it seems the very ones who find these scriptures themselves have no way of making any distinction between the two. ONLY the Holy Spirit in you can give you discernment through His Word, by testing the spirits to see if they are of God.

We test the spirits by holding TRUTH up to these things...

But if truth is according to one's own modern, popular view understanding....it will do you no good! It takes so much obedience to GROW and be able to eat strong meat to discern and penetrate evil getting worse and worse!
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09


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kathr4453 - Wheat and Tares are another name for Sheep and Wolves. So yes, Matthew 7 IS talking about Wheat and Tares. They are the SAME thing. Sheep = Wheat (God's TRUE followers), Wolves = Tares (belonging to the devil).
---Leslie on 6/11/09


Leslie, Yes we are to know false prophets, by studying God's word, and obeying His Word.

Matthew 7 is not talking about the wheat and tares.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09


Matthew 7:15-21 talks about that we are to know the wheat from the tares (sheep from the wolves) - so we can stay away from them (thus exposing them by their fruit).
---Leslie on 6/11/09


While some will call it judgement, God says that we are to be discerning and know and expose the wheat (God's TRUE people) from the tares (claim to be God's, but are of the devil). Comments?

---Leslie on 6/9/09

Leslie, can you show us exactly where God says we are to expose the wheat from the tares?

I believe scripture says we are to leave alone lest the wheat become uprooted, and that at the end ONLY the Holy Spirit will be able to separate the wheat from the tares.

This is concerning those living through the Great Tribulation and not the Church Age.

When this takes place the Church will already be with the Lord, when we meet Him in the Clouds.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09


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1Cor5:9-13
I wrote unto you in an epistle
not to company with fornicators:

Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world,
or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters,

for then must ye needs go out of the world.

But now I have written unto you not to keep company,
if any man that is called a brother be
a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater,
or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner,
with such an one no not to eat.

...do not ye judge them that are within?

...Therefore put away from among yourselves
that wicked person.
---SuzieH on 6/10/09


jesus said that the wheat would be separated at the harvest,aka judgement day.But scripture does tell believers not to associate with non believers.In other words socialize with them,which includes marrying.dating,etc.
---tom2 on 6/10/09


The Wheat and Tares story is taken from Matthew 13.

The owner of the field specifically ordered those who were going to decide to pull up the tares first to wait until harvest time--namely the end of the world.

Where did you get the idea that God said we're supposed to separate them BEFORE the end?

Please explain.
---Cluny on 6/9/09


Mat 7:15-21
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Do men gather grapes of thorns,
or figs of thistles?

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit,
but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit,
neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down,
and cast into the fire.

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord,
shall enter into the kingdom of heaven,
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
---SuzieH on 6/9/09


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"God says that we are to be discerning and know and expose the wheat (God's TRUE people) from the tares"

Would you be so kind as to quote chapter and verse on this? Just where do we have this instruction from God?
---Bruce5656 on 6/9/09


We can know the wheat from the tares - the Bible talks about how to know them. It talks about knowing them by their fruit (whether they line up with the Word or not) (Matthew 7:15-23), and how to know the false from the true (1 John 2:18-27, 4:1-6, 2 John 7-11). Anyone who says they are saved and belong to God, you can know if they TRULY do, by if they line up with the Bible on the things they say, and not say that God is stupid for saying them. Satan believes in God, and can claim to be a Christian - it does not make it so. The Holy Spirit will ALWAYS line up with the Bible (because it is TRUTH and God said it, so it is SETTLED). This is true whether you believe it or not, or it offends you or not. Many on the blogs are NOT Christians.
---Glory on 6/9/09


Separating the Wheat from the Tares is like separating the Sheep from the Goat.
---tonne on 6/9/09


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