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Does Christian Rock and Roll glorify God? How can something of this world, that came out of Jazz, the Blues etc, give Glory to God?

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In case you're interested, here are the lyrics to "Jesus Messiah" by Chris Tomlin.

He became sin
Who knew no sin
That we might become His Righteousness
He humbled himself and carried the cross

Love so amazing
Love so amazing

(Chorus)
Jesus Messiah
Name above all names
Blessed Redeemer
Emmanuel
The rescue for sinners
The ransom from Heaven
Jesus Messiah
Lord of all

(Verse 2)
His body the bread
His blood the wine
Broken and poured out all for love
The whole earth trembled
And the veil was torn

Love so amazing
Love so amazing

(Bridge)
All our hope is in You
All our hope is in You
All the glory to You, God
The light of the world
---Chad on 6/15/09


Kath I am so sorry for the trials that you have gone through and you are in my prayers.

I looked up WOF and man does it have some false teachings!

I am just wondering though, what any type of Christian music has to do with WOF?

All of the Christian music I listen to, whether it is Christian rock, r & b, etc, speak and proclaim Christ as Lord and line up with God's word. If it does not, I don't listen to it.
I believe we each have our preferences. Christian Hard rock is too loud for me and Christian rap is too young for me.
Now, my daughter listens to those and it has done wonders in helping her become a stronger Christian. I believe it is about the message, not anything else.
---miche3754 on 6/15/09


I think music can be either worldly or godly but not of itself, it is the lyrics that determine which it is. I have no problem with Christian Rock, Christian Rap, or any musical style that talks about our Savior Jesus. Mark-Eaton***


Mark_Eaton. As we went digital Friday, unfortunately I am receiving FREE stations coming from hell.

One is called JCTV. WOW, I had a most interesting eye opening experience this weekend as I caught a program "NEW Christian Song Artists".

Just turning the words off and watching these perform was as satanic as it comes.

It's even WORSE than anything I've seen before.

Maybe you should check it out first.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/09


I used to be of the same mindset of some posters here where I believed R & R music was not suitable for Christian worship. My main reason for this was bc I played in a secular R & R band before I was saved and I couldn't imagine the stuff I was playing giving glory to God. For over 9 years I still "liked" the secular R & R music (bc it's good music), but I wouldn't allow myself to believe Christian lyrics could be put to it in a God honoring way.
(continued)
---Chad on 6/15/09


kathr4453 Therefore, CRR MUST be of VALUE to God, which is why the devil perverts it with worldly RR. If it is of VALUE to God, then it IS of God.
---Leslie on 6/12/09


Leslie, IT IS NOT!!!. Those who refuse to come out of Mystery Babylon will not only be exposed, but eternally punished.

The Call to TRUE FAITH is to come OUT of this world, and this worldly system....not coming out IS SIN PERIOD!!! To overcome satan and the WORLD...

CRR is nothing more then these kids wanting fame recognition..singing ME, MYSELF, AND I...and this is what is called AMERICAN IDOLOTRY!!!! Everyone( NO NOT EVERYONE) wants to be a Movie Star Christian.

NO SUCH ANIMAL!!!! Show me where Jesus or the Apostles were popular.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/09




kathr4453, I am deeply sorry about your nephew and sooo sorry about people that would dare to accuse him of some unconfessed sin in his life! That is really sad, as if your family wasn't hurting enough. Your nephew has my respect, God bless him.
---Mary on 6/12/09

Mary, Thank you so much for your comment here.

To say one has lack of faith because they dont follow the false teachers of the WOF MOVEMENT, who totally pervert FAITH to begin with do so much damage to TRUE FAITH.

WOF believe THEY are gods and have the power. They avoid the sufferings of Christ altogether. Have not been translated OUT of this present evil age into the Kingdom of His Dear Son..Jesus Christ is SO obvious in their beliefs.

God Bless Mary!
---kathr4453 on 6/15/09


Mark Eaton~ That was very well said, and sums up this topic very well.
---Anne on 6/14/09


I think music can be either worldly or godly but not of itself, it is the lyrics that determine which it is. I have no problem with Christian Rock, Christian Rap, or any musical style that talks about our Savior Jesus. What I do have problem with is so-called christian music that speaks only with milk, and never gets to the meat of the word. Or so-called christian music that never says the name of Jesus. Is He your Lord, your God, your Life, or what? If you cannot sing about Him, hang it up, get off stage because if is only about you, not about Him. Stop calling yourself a CCM artist and go sing country instead.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/13/09


Music one listens to should normally be:

-inspirational
-edifying
-strengthening
-God-glorifying
-uplifting
-soul-searching
-hopeful
-encouraging etc.

The music we listen to should not have lyrics that glamourize:

-lusts of this world
-sinful desires
-be geared mostly at the desire for 'fun'/pleasure
-teach wrong attitudes
-have negative messages

The melody/beat may be passionate, strong and deeply from the soul...this is fine and not evil. The key concern is the message behind the music.
---Anne on 6/13/09


kathr4453, I am deeply sorry about your nephew and sooo sorry about people that would dare to accuse him of some unconfessed sin in his life! That is really sad, as if your family wasn't hurting enough. Your nephew has my respect, God bless him.
---Mary on 6/12/09




Rock N Roll is the Devil's Music.
---ACallforAction on 6/12/09


kathr4453 - Now I get it, you have LACK of Faith, which the Bible calls sin (Romans 14:23). I do not condemn, just expose what is truly seen - every thing hidden will be brought to light. Think about it, it must be worth something if the devil wants to counterfeit it. Therefore, CRR MUST be of VALUE to God, which is why the devil perverts it with worldly RR. If it is of VALUE to God, then it IS of God.
---Leslie on 6/12/09


kathr4453 - You blame your nephew's cancer on CRR, get real. Your nephew probably had some UNCONFESSED SIN and UNFORGIVENESS in his life, this is probably why he got cancer.Leslie**


Here we go again, proving one is not filled or led by the Holy Spirit by making false accusations and twisting one's words. I know now Leslie you really don't pray about something first before responding in hateful comments.

My Nephew got cancer caused by being on a Contaminated Army base. Not only him, but several. The base is now CLOSED!

Leslie, the issue wasn't cancer...but his state at the time....

My Sister and husband had just about enough of the WOF false accusers!
---kathr4453 on 6/12/09


I found this comment on a similar blog here at CN...PRICELESS!!!


Why would God's sound be the same as the world's sound?
Lucifer made music with his body before he fell like lightning from heaven. He's still making music, but using humans to make it for him.
If you can't detect who's music you are listening to, how will you hear the sound of the Lord's trumpet?
---Michelle on 10/2/07




So the Lord brought to mind this verse after reading this comment.

1 Kings 19:12
And after the earthquake a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.

Notice the still small voice came AFTER the earthquake and fire. Not in it! HA!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/12/09


The whole underlying problem here is not even necessarily about the music. The problem is the churches, the musicians, the evangelists, the church members are all trying so hard to be like the world that no one can tell anymore where the world ends and the church begins. If we would be more like Jesus, people would know that we are different and wonder why!
---tommy3007 on 6/12/09


kathr4453 - You blame your nephew's cancer on CRR, get real. Your nephew probably had some UNCONFESSED SIN and UNFORGIVENESS in his life, this is probably why he got cancer. It has nothing to do with something God created to glorify Him. Saying this is like blamming God for him getting cancer. God did NOT give him cancer, and neither did CRR, it was SIN and UNFORGIVENESS, which there again are CHOICES. Now I know why you say that CRR is of the devil. You are BITTER at God for giving your nephew cancer, which He did NOT do. REPENT and FORGIVE (even God) before it's too late.
---Leslie on 6/12/09


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It is a fact that we are influenced by what we hear. Psychologists know very well that the messages we hear do go into our brain and do go on to affect our attitudes to some extent. This is true even when we reject the message with our conscious mind. If we like the music enough we will allow its message to repeat inside our heads even if we disagree with it initially. Rock music, rap,hip-hop and other forms of audio entertainment is repetetive, insistent and seductive in nature. Its a perfect tool for brainwashing people. It can totally transform and mould the personalities of those who are devoted to it. This is what has been happening in the western world for the last fifty plus years and now we are beginning to reaping the fruit.
---kathr4453 on 6/12/09


Neither the music nor the instrument can give Glory to God, only the listener and musician can. A single piano can play both hymns and rock and roll, should we praise the piano for one and scold it for the other?
No, it is the paino player that is responsibe for the tune and it is the listener that is responsible for staying or walking away. The one thing that I do know is that the piano is innocent.
---TIMOTHY on 6/12/09


Here are some questions that I have always wondered about. Maybe someone else has an idea, or two, to share:

Why does the music have to be so Loud? Loud enough to make the floor "tremble". And my ears "hurt".

Why do the musicians often use "special effects"? "Tight" and jeweled clothing, pyrotechnics, colored strobe lights, etc.

What is it about Christian Rock and Roll music that makes it so appealing? I've never liked this type of music. Maybe I'm just the odd-ball-out.

Has anyone actually gotten "saved", or accepted Jesus Christ, as a result of this type of music? Please share your testimony.


---Sag on 6/12/09


Kathr:

I got addicted to "What If I Gave All" by Ray Boltz. The song starts out with a little boy learning to "give" at church. The song ends with Jesus telling God that he is going to "give all" -- his life -- to save US. What a wonderful description of how Jesus cares about US.

I was disappointed to hear about the "moral failures" of: Sandy Patti, Amy Grant, and Ray Boltz. Their music was once so attractive. While I still like the music, I hate the lifestyles of the singers.

I have trouble understanding "why" these folks don't pray for help in overcoming their problems. Switching to another marriage partner, or sinful life, probably only makes things worse.
---Sag on 6/12/09


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Anne , You're excused from this discussion.
I have no argument with you.

The Sag,

I had a similar experience. I took a friend to a revival. Unfortunately the Guest singer, (now this is Country RR Christian Music)was so loud, and the outfit the lady was wearing...the tightest jeans ever, as she jumped up and down twanging this and that, a sort of Milley Cirus (sp) performance, and I wish I could have taken a picture of the look on my friends face.

The Pastor, introduced her as "The HOTTEST little Christian singer this side of the Mississippi". Let's give it up for......

Her mind and heart was closed the rest of the evening. My heart was broken not to mention I felt ashamed.
---kathr4453 on 6/12/09


Sag~ You're very right in a sense, and many people listen to music for the wrong reasons. Today, the great percent of people are divorced and may have ruined lives. I'm just saying we can't blame this on one certain thing. There are probably a number of reasons why people may lead difficult lives and there is probably no single thing to blame that on.

The one thing we do all need to do is seek and love the Lord with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength. We need to seek His word above all and live it in our lives. Sometimes music can be another edifying tool. God bless.
---Anne on 6/12/09


kathr~ Why would you associate music with cancer. That just does not make sense. I also do not think it is wise to judge people because they may have a piercing or whatever. God knows their heart, and we should not judge over superficial things like that.

I pray your nephew loved the Lord with all His heart and was living his life to honor Him. The fact that he listened to Christian contemporary music may or may not have had a positive or negative influence on his life. Some people listen to different kinds of music for the wrong reasons, but most listen for spiritual edification.
---Anne on 6/12/09


Kathr, Anne:

I have often felt that sometimes there is a good "discussion" and sometimes a heated "debate" brewing. Example from my life:

Sometimes the "truth" hurts. I can remember being told NOT to tell parents that Christian Rock and Roll music isn't good for THEIR children. Music that is often loud enough to make my ears start hurting. These concerts were at CHURCH. Nevertheless, many parents would just tell me: "be quiet" and "let me instruct my own child". OK.

Years later, many of these children are now single parents, druggies, felons, etc. with ruined lives. Oh well, I tried telling the parents that that music was "bad".
---Sag on 6/12/09


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No kath, not just the musical scale. God created EVERYTHING!!!!
What part of Everything do you NOT understand?
The Word says that there is nothing...NOTHING that was created that GOD didn't make.
God created the instruments and all.
I don't have to research what man says are the effects of certain music on my emotions.
I have God's word that he created it all for HIS glory. His word is enough for me.
Why is it not enough for you?
Satan is who perverts all that God has created.
And call NOTthing unclean Kath. Do not condemn those who esteem something you don't.
---miche3754 on 6/12/09


Kathr~ I'm trying to share is a reasonable and sensible way. When you have that persistent argumentative tone, it is just like pushing me and maybe others away from wanting to have a sensible discussion with you on various issues. I've said a fair amount here, and I think it's been fair-minded, but I really do not wish to pursue a heated argument. I prefer sensible discussions instead.
---Anne on 6/12/09


I invited my friend to hear Sandy Patti. I explained that what was happening in her marriage was NOT from Jesus Christ. My friend laughed at accepting Jesus Christ. Turned off to Christianity?

The Continental Singers had a concert. One of the songs was "Taking The Message To The World". I heard the tune of Ronnie Milsap's "I Wouldn't Have Missed It For The World" in the Christian music. So, music about "evangelism" and music about "sex and womanizing" used the same music. An example of where listeners can easily get a "mixed" message? I did and I'm sure others did too.

I think that this questionable music just makes a "mockery" of God.



---Sag on 6/12/09


My nephew age 18, was into CRR. Started his own band.
Next, started body piercings.

Next, cancer.

During his last days in the hospital, he would listen through his headphones Christian R/R.

During his last days, basically unconsciencious, his vital signs were off the charts....

The Nurse, a christian, lifted off his headphones and could hear this music. She then got one of her tapes of some soft Christian music and put the headphones back on. His vital signs immediately went back to normal.

Even in an unconscious state...the wild beat of the CRR Music affected his whole physical body....without hearing any words.

Parents, be careful. Not everything that looks good actually is.
---kathr4453 on 6/12/09


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kathr4453 - Once again, Satan can NOT create anything. God is the creator of EVERYTHING, including ALL music. God does NOT create evil (ONLY good), but evil is brought about by CHOICE. God created Satan and his demons (as good) angels. Satan was in charge of entertainment (music, dance, etc.) to glorify God. Satan and his demons CHOSE to fall. God did not take the entertainment (music, dance, etc.) ability away from Satan - the gifts are WITHOUT repentance. Satan still has the gift, but can ONLY pervert it - he did NOT create it, God did. God created it to glorify Him, Satan perverted it to glorify himself. Those who do music, dance, etc. have a CHOICE on who they will use it for - glorify God, or glorify Satan.
---Leslie on 6/12/09


Kathr~ I don't see music as 'fun-fun.' I see music in these ways:

-inspirational
-edifying
-strengthening
-God-glorifying
-uplifting
-soul searching
-hopeful
-encouraging etc.

Not all Christian songs meet those criteria, but the ones I listen to do meet that criteria. I try to be very careful and discerning in this area, as all others should strive to be as well.
---Anne on 6/12/09


Anne, much of this watered down junk is in the lyrics of MODERNISM Christian music. Why would you think song artists, of which MANY have fallen into sin and immorality, are called pastors to begin with, and are more in line with truth then Churches? It's these Emergent Church's that bring these people in to ENTERTAIN and draw crowds to begin with.

The Gospel need no gimmicks, to sugar coat through FUN FUN music that appeals to our emotions. We are not saved through our emotions.

God is no more impressed with this than those who sold sacrifices outside the temple.

The Gospel doesn't NEED Modern MARKETING Strategies!
---kathr4453 on 6/12/09


Miche, God created the musical scale of notes, doe Rae me fa so la te doe and so on.

Yes God created sound. Just as God created paint, led for pencils etc. God created languages.

However God did not create perverted nude paintings. God did not create hate spelled out in words on paper, God did not create the rhythm and beat of musical notes. Yes he created sound.....we form out of things God created filthy words, filthy pictures, filthy lyrics to music.

Please research HOW different sounds affect our emotions and our PHYSICAL. The beat of our heart etc. ....Our emotions/physical, are driven by our flesh...not our spirit. This is the issue at hand.

God does not work through our physical flesh.
---kathr4453 on 6/12/09


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Obewan, Augie, and Kathr~ You made some wise points, and yes it is very important that we always research, use discernment, and make sound judgments in what we choose to listen to and view. Especially for our children, it's improtant they are taught to be careful about what they choose to listen to/watch and make sure it is pure/edifying.

I'm actually much more concerned about many or the teachings heard in most churches since the teachings water-down and sugar-coat many important Bible truths, than I am about what I've heard from most Christian music. So I tend to focus more on that area. God bless.
---Anne on 6/12/09


"God did not create Rock and Roll, When was R/R EVER EVER HOLY?"- kath

By saying this, you associated that R/R was created by Satan. Say things like this, causes assumptions. And we apologize for assuming.
God created all music. Satan perverted it.

As for your comment on what some "Christian" singers do. You are right, they sing to God but their actions speak different. Thats why I don't watch videos or certain types of movies. They can create the same effect as listening to certain lyrics of music. In music, its not the beat,rythym, or melody the conveys the message its the lyrics itself. "It is not what goes into a man that defiles, it is what comes out. Out of the mouth speaks the heart."
---miche3754 on 6/12/09


Obewan, I really appreciate that you did research, even after you first defended. That shows true Maturity and the Holy Spirit leading you to find out more truth from error. I truly admire anyone who can admit they don't KNOW IT ALL! We continue to grow in Grace and Knowledge as we forge forward in these evil times.

The Holy Spirit does not take someone's words and twist them. Seems some here are not lead by the Holy Spirit who continually accuse me of saying Satan created music. Because I NEVER said he did, I cannot respond to those not led by an evil spirit who wants to distort my words.

Again, Obewan, God Bless those who diligently search out truth.
---kathr4453 on 6/12/09


I listen to music and if it sounds like it is glorifying to God, then I continue to listen to it. Otherwise, I just stop.

ALL music, like us, has some good parts and some not so good parts. We need to use wisdom in selecting what we listen to.
---Augie on 6/12/09


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Amen Miche and Michael! What God glorifying, edifying and sensible answers! Thanks for sharing the great thoughts.
---Anne on 6/11/09


I have done some more research on this, and it seems there actually are some "Christian" rock bands out there that have done some pretty bad things. I was not aware of what has been going on because I quit following this stuff closely back in the 1980's. Then too, the Christian rock I listen too is pretty clean stuff like The Second Chapter of Acts, and the Vineyard Praise and Worship series. I don't think we can make a blanket statement that it is all bad, but I do realize that discernment is certainly required. The important thing to realize is that it is a big money cult, and that brings most of the corruption.
---obewan on 6/11/09


Philippians 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things [are] honest, whatsoever things [are] just, whatsoever things [are] pure, whatsoever things [are] lovely, whatsoever things [are] of good report, if [there be] any virtue, and if [there be] any praise, think on these things.
1 Corinthians 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
Measure the lyrics against these verses. If they don't hold true, leave it.
The method matters not, it's the Message that counts.
---MIchael on 6/11/09


Kath, God created everything! The air we breath, ALL of it.(John 1:3) His word says He created it all even all forms of music.
Satan cannot create anything. All He does is lie, cheat, steal and pevert man kind's heart, turning it against God. This perversion is where all music that DOES NOT glorify God comes from.
Music that DOES glorify God comes from people with loving hearts for God. The beat or the rythym that goes to the music is not what matters. It is the message. And don't say anything about Elvis because we all know he was false from his fruit.
This is how you know true music for God. If it helps convey Christ's gospel and helps save people, then it is from God.
---miche3754 on 6/11/09


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TIMOTHY~ Thank you for the sensible answer here. God bless.
---Anne on 6/11/09


Music is a powerful tool used by both God's Army, and Satan's army.

Music is basically a message put to music.

Ungodly music has an evil, unholy, wrongful message glorifying sin and this world...While Godly music has an inspiring, truth-filled message of hope, determination, and Holy power.

If the message is powerful and strong, it will be put to powerful, strong music.

If the message is calming/peaceful, it will be put to calming music.

Music can be an excellent tool for:

-Preaching the gospel from the very depths of our souls.
-Powerfully convey God's truths
-Provide encouragement and hope
-Provide strength in times of trouble.
---Anne on 6/11/09


Music is a powerful tool used by both God's Army, and Satan's army.

Music is basically a message put to music.

Ungodly music has an evil, unholy, wrongful message glorifying sin and this world...While Godly music has an inspiring, truth-filled message of hope, determination, and Holy power.

If the message is powerful and strong, it will be put to powerful, strong music.

If the message is calming/peaceful, it will be put to calming music.

Music can be an excellent tool for:

-Preaching the gospel from the very depths of our souls.
-Powerfully convey God's truths
-Provide encouragement and hope
-Provide strength in times of trouble.
---Anne on 6/11/09


Music is a powerful tool used by both God's Army, and Satan's army.

Music is basically a message put to a melody.

Ungodly music has an evil, unholy, wrongful message glorifying sin and this world...While Godly music has an inspiring, truth-filled message of hope, determination, and Holy power.

If the message is powerful and strong, it will be put to a powerful, strong melody.

If the message is calming/peaceful, it will be put to a calming melody.

Music can be an excellent tool for:

-Preaching the gospel from the very depths of our souls.
-Powerfully convey God's truths
-Provide encouragement and hope
-Provide strength in times of trouble.
---Anne on 6/11/09


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Leslie, I never said Satan Created music....please show me where I stated this?



To curse someone is of Satan AND is witchcraft. Goes hand in hand with what we are talking about.

I asked you a question...please show where God Created "R/R." R/R is a type of BEAT and Rhythm....not independent musical notes. Please know the difference.

Satan perverted music. Music is a set of NOTES with ranges. God did not create the WAY in which Satan has perverted the arrangment of musical notes with a beat, that draws out fleshly desires. Music with it's different arrangements IS very powerful. God did not create R/R, Blues, Jazz etc,.

God created dogs, but MAN interbread dogs and came up with many breeds.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09


These kids are not Amish and are going to listen to music, why not make it Christian music? It certainly has more God content in it then what I listened to. I am proud of the kids that listen to Christian music because it is a bold, and yes unpopular, statement of their faith to their peers. How many of us can say we make such bold faith statements on a daily basis, in all honesty.
---TIMOTHY on 6/11/09


kathr4453 - God created Satan and his demons as angels. They CHOSE to disobey God, thus becoming who they are today. God created ALL music to glorify Him. Since Satan was created without the abilality to create, all he can do is to counterfeit and prevert ALL music. If you think that Satan can create even music, then you say that Satan is God. Which is just the sin that Satan did to make him fall from grace. From what you say, how it does NOT line up with the Bible, you are NOT a TRUE Christian - you belong to Satan, NOT God.
---Leslie on 6/11/09


Much of this "moral decay" is in the very things that these "new" Christian music bands claim is O.K. Drinking, drugs, promiscuous sex, etc.
---Sag on 6/11/09
And which "Christian" group is this wild? It seems like you are putting words into their mouths that were never there.

I have never seen any Christian band promote any lifestyle other than for God.

You know we are told "Thou shall not bear false witness" by the Bible.
---obewan on 6/11/09


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I think that Satan is using this music to slowly, but surely, seep into young people's lives and destroy them.

---Sag on 6/11/09

Agreed! I think Satan is using these American Idols to first bring about Idolotry in worshiping them and then drawing them away.

Ray Boltz....comes out of the closet after 30 years of marriage.

Jackie Valesquez(sp) makes a secular movie, with less on then Britney Spears in concert.

The list goes on and on.

When has Jesus ever been so Popular that He draws crowds of thousands! If Jesus were here today, He would be hated as He always has. Knowing the end times(SCRIPTURE Teaches) people will actually turn away from Christianity. That's enough of a red flag for me!
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09


\\ Cluny, can you find any scripture where Christianity is to take something that was alienated from God and use it for His Glory.\\

Cluny, although I appreciate your comment here, it's not the same thing. We are CRUCIFIED with Christ.....we DIED with Christ and have been raised a NEW CREATURE ( IN CHRIST) OLD things PASS AWAY ALL thing become NEW...not a remake of the old, or a makeover either.

Those who are Christ's HAVE crucified the flesh...they don't feed it junk food wrapped up in artificial spirituality.

That's the problem today....we're eating JUNK FOOD! It's bad for the heart and arteries.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09


I prefer the old "oldies", like Gospel music.

I've been told that I'm too closed-minded and need to learn to like the "new" types of Christian music. Many Christian bands say something of that sort before their performances. That's when I need to pull out my ear plugs.

When I see the "moral decay" that is taking place in the USA, and probably other parts of the world too, I get upset. Much of this "moral decay" is in the very things that these "new" Christian music bands claim is O.K. Drinking, drugs, promiscuous sex, etc. I think that Satan is using this music to slowly, but surely, seep into young people's lives and destroy them. Not at all pleasing to God.

---Sag on 6/11/09


\\ Cluny, can you find any scripture where Christianity is to take something that was alienated from God and use it for His Glory.\\

Yes. Us.

This is the theme of the entire New Testament.

Sorry you apparenly have not actually bothered to read it.
---Cluny on 6/11/09


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Marilyn Manson always manages to attract large crowds. I think that he -- his real name is Brian Warner -- looks "scary" in magazine articles. However, other people claim that the music appeals to them because of their hurts. Ever heard the phrase "misery loves company"? Marilyn Manson, like other musical groups, is a magnet for some hurting people. They claim that the music is soothing to them. Hmmm. I wonder how that is possible.

I think that "bad" music attracts people for a "bad" reason. In the case of Marilyn Manson, it is worshipping the devil. Not glorifying to God at all. If people are hurting, they need to seek out Jesus instead.
---Sag on 6/11/09


Music does have a spirit and John says "test the spirits to see if they are of God".
This refers to discernment which is only available to the mature christian, for it is not obtained instantly from healing lines or charistmatic experiences. (Hebrews 5:14)
Its the reward for those who diligently seek HIM.
The moderator's question provides the strongest argument for true spiritual discernment for this and more important matters.
Circular arguments about the meaning of Petra or the volume of band music will never lead to spiritual enlightment about worship. God bless.
---larry on 6/11/09


Obewan,
It is NOT the sign language for "I love you", where the thumb is openly extended!

We also know George W. Bush was also in a cult, Skull and Bones, of which his father and grandfather belonged to. Even after George became a Christian?? he never repented for being associated with it. There is reported sexual perversion in it's initiation.

Interesting, Sandy Patty and so many, as even Amy Grant, being in this NEWLY created Worldly kind of worship, fell into sexual immorality....having affairs, divorce, and remarriage, leaving a horrible example to our younger generation who follow them!
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09


To kathr4453 God must be the devil or at least be equal to the devil. If she thinks that music (created by God to be HOLY) is of the devil (unholy).Leslie on 6/11/09

Leslie, Satan, AKA Lucifer was the musical voice in Heaven before he fell. God did not create Rock and Roll, When was R/R EVER EVER HOLY?

God did not create Gangster Rap either.


Just because Petra took JESUS NAME, ROCK, and gave it to themselves, doesn't mean they are of God. Satan CAN turn himself into an angel of Light and preacher of righteousness.

Christian R/R brings tares sown among the wheat! Wolves among the sheep, with many lyrics that are a false gospel! THAT is how Satan works! Don't be fooled!
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09


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The I1 Cornuto, known as the "satanic salute"... It is made by, making a fist and extending the first (index) and last (pinkie) finger.

The satanic salute is popular in rock music. On the Michael W. Smith, In Concert (Reunion Records, 1985) Amy Grant clearly flashes the "satanic salute"!
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09
I have seen all her videos and never noticed that. Even if she did it you also should tell people that in sign language it means "I love you". I mean, George Bush, the "evangelical" mega hero did it many many times. I have seen those photos all over the web! Based on his track record for war, I would be more worried about him! Pat Robertson has done it too.
---obewan on 6/11/09


On Amy's video, That's What Love Is For , Amy is dressed in a red robe, (used in witchcraft rituals) flashing on the palms of her hands, a six-pointed-star A HEXAGRAM! said to be the most powerful and evil sign in satanism and the occult world.

The I1 Cornuto, known as the "satanic salute" and the "horned hand". It is made by, making a fist and extending the first (index) and last (pinkie) finger.

The satanic salute is popular in rock music. On the Michael W. Smith, In Concert (Reunion Records, 1985) Amy Grant clearly flashes the "satanic salute"! Amy delibertely flashes the "satanic salute" at least two separate times on the video, displaying it for several seconds!
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09


Obewan - I like your comment. To kathr4453 God must be the devil or at least be equal to the devil. If she thinks that music (created by God to be HOLY) is of the devil (unholy).
---Leslie on 6/11/09


Leslie, Also in response to another blog you are on...tares and wheat.

Did God create the tares? Or did Satan sow tares among the wheat.

Satan can and does sow evil in this world. A tare was never created by God to begin with, saying Satan came along to pervert it. WRONG!

If we sow to the flesh we will reap of the flesh. Our flesh is in and of this world held captive by Satan until we become Saved through Jesus Christ, and set FREE from this world and ALL that is in it.

Satan is Prince and power of this world. The Kingdom of this world will become Jesus Christ AT his second coming.(Rev 11).

The City of Sodom and Egypt (Rev) is spiritually talking about Satan's domain, WE are to OVERCOME ..1st Peter 4!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09


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Petra was the capital of ancient Edom, a pagan land according to Malachi 1:4 ". . . whom the Lord hath indignation for ever"! Petra was the place of SATANIC HUMAN SACRIFICES!
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09
I agree you have it wrong. At all their concerts they tell people Petra means "rock" and is a reference to Jesus. And, you can always understand their words, and they always glorify God or Jesus.

One of their best songs is "Wanna be a God pleaser, NOT a MAN pleaser." It is a message our teens need and WILL listen to.

You might as well demonize the word "God" since it is also used to refer to "false pagan gods."
---obewan on 6/11/09


So Leslie, are you saying God CREATED prostitution, gambling, Idol worship, the Golden Calf etc, and Satan perverted it? Satan cannot create life, but he sure can create havoc!

And Concerning Petra,


Are you referring to Petra from this verse, as so many have?

Isaiah 2:10:
Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty.

The real truth in this scripture is that God is talking about Christ himself, not a City or a place in teh desert.

I find it amusing that Gentiles sing a song , "Rock of ages cleft for me, let me hide myself in thee." understand the spiritual meaning, but not Jews?
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09


Music is important in our spiritual life. Wrong music can spiritually destroy.

OBEDIENCE IS:

1 Thess. 5:21-23, "Prove all things, hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil. And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly, and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."


David did love music. Did David take music from the Pagan world, hire the most popular group to perform, putting up Billboards saying:

Concert in Solomons Temple,
Appearing Tonight
"Edom Ant" !
3 Time Dove Award Winner.

Or did David sing and make melody from his own heart. Something ALL TOGETHER different!
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09


Kathr4453 - You have it WRONG. Petra means "ROCK" - which is Jesus. Petra is also the place where the Jews will hide out from the AntiChrist as a place of refuge - Jesus is also our refuge. Read your Bible. Also God created ALL music to glorify Him. Satan is the one who perverted it. If you think that Rock and Roll came from Satan, you are WRONG - Satan can NOT create, ONLY counterfeit and pervert.
---Leslie on 6/11/09


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The following excerpt is a telephone conversation between Texe Marrs and Steve Taylor:
I related to Mr. Taylor that I had searched the lyrics of every song in his album and that, regrettably, I could not find no reference to Jesus and the Cross.

"Why do you not confess Jesus in your music?" I implored. "Why do you not witness to our youth that Jesus loved them so much He suffered on the cross for them?"

Taylor openly confesses his goal for young people is: "develop a world view, and TO QUESTION AUTHORITY. . ." (What About Christian Rock, Peters Brothers, p.138)

Just what Satan did in the Garden of Eden! "YEA, HATH GOD SAID..." (Genesis 3:1)
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09


Petra recorded the song "God Gave Rock And Roll To You" one of the most perverted songs ever recorded! They sing: God gave rock and roll to you/ put it in the soul of everyone. . . "God Gave Rock'n Roll to You" is a song by the secular group Argent. The SAME SONG is on the perverted group KISS's Revenge album!
The group Kiss leaped on stage as rock'n roll demons puking blood, breathing fire and screaming "God of rock and roll, we'll rob you of your virgin soul!"
Petra was the capital of ancient Edom, a pagan land according to Malachi 1:4 ". . . whom the Lord hath indignation for ever"! Petra was the place of SATANIC HUMAN SACRIFICES!
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09


Christians will never agree on this topic or on "what" Christian "rock" is. Some say use of a drums or guitars constitutes "rock". Yet, we have both in the Bible.

I can remember a time back in the 1970's when gentle "Christian Folk" music was "banned" by some churches. Then, we have our age old "classic hymns" that were also banned at first because the melodies were once used with bawdy drinking songs in taverns.

For the most part, I say to each his own, as long as there is a clear melody and the words can be heard. I go to a "contemporary" church because that is my preference. That does not mean I like the new "Christian" thrash metal or Rap music.
---obewan on 6/11/09


Theres a definite spirit invoked in rock music, secular or Christian and it's NOT the Holy Spirit!

During a 1993 Ophrah Winfrey interview, Michael Jackson, explained the reason for some of his fithly sexual gestures during his concerts:
"It happens subliminally. IT'S THE MUSIC THAT COMPELS ME TO DO IT. You don't think about it, it just happens. I'M SLAVE TO THE RHYTHM."
(The Evening Star, Feb. 11, 1993, p. A10)

It's NOT the lyrics! It's the MUSIC!

How can the Holy Spirit of the Bible use fleshly music!

"For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these ARE CONTRARY THE ONE TO THE OTHER: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would."
Galatians 5:17
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09


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Cluny, can you find any scripture where Christianity is to take something that was alienated from God and use it for His Glory.

Not according to Joshua 24. That is if we OBEY scripture. Just look at the lesson in Joshua where a family who took spoils and idols from the world and hid them...It cost the lives of them and many.

And the lesson is here in Joshua...."ok hold on to those things, but you will not MATURE or go forward in blessings". Judges shows us what happens when we compromise with the world....

I see the whole area here, with awards etc, only glorify the song and singer! Why do we have to be like the world?

Are the awards given to GOD???
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09


This is a great rule about music:

"If it isn't glorifying to God don't listen to it."

I doubt if God minds the instruments used in music or the melody, but the heart and intent of the spoken message of the music is what matters most. The words/message are the true heart of the music. All people have different taste in music so some prefer more mellow, while others prefer a little more upbeat tempo.

The same applies with all else in life:

"If it isn't something glorifying to God, don't partake in it."
---Anne on 6/10/09


David loved music that glorified the Lord and danced with joy before the Lord. It is a wonderful way to praise our God.

Is God against the guitar (stringed instruments)drums, horns...hmmm...I don't see that in the Bible. God wants us to give him all the glory, honor, and praise.

Lift Him up and praise Him with all your heart. Serve Him with a loyal heart and willing mind...For as it says in I Chronicle 28:9:

"Serve God with a loyal heart and with a willing mind, for the Lord searches ALL hearts and understands all the intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will be found by you, but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off forever."
---Anne on 6/10/09


Do organs glorify God? They originated in the Roman arenas in pagan times to provide music.

Do hymnals written in 4 part harmony notation glorify God? The notation originated in Roman Catholic monasteries.

Does the modern alphabet that make up the words you read on your computer screen and in your very Bible glorify God? It was borrowed by the pagan Romans from the pagan Greeks.

Do you glorify God, kathr4453? You came out of sin and disbelief and "this world" generally.

The whole message of Christianity is to take something that was alienated from God and use it for His glory.

Those who deny this simply don't understand the Gospel.
---Cluny on 6/10/09


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Depends on what your culture is. If you say African Americans can't give glory to God using jazz and blues, think again...
---eric1968 on 6/10/09


ALL genres of music are of God, as long as you use them to lift up Jesus (if He be lifted up, He will draw ALL people unto Himself). God created ALL forms of music to glorify Him - the devil did NOT create it, he only perverted it. When music glorifies self, the world, or the devil, then it is of Satan.
---Leslie on 6/10/09


And what exactly is wrong with jazz and the blues? My favorite music, and a lot of it is gospel-oriented too. :)
---Mary on 6/10/09


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