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//The 2 factors that lead to Christianity abandoning Nazarene Judaism were 1) non-Jewish believers began to out number Jewish believers combined with 2) the anti-Semitism of the Roman government.

I fully agree with that statement as the early church was indeed the daughter of Jerusalem, however the event of the Jerusalem council was around 50 A.D. in which a decision had to be made whether Gentile converts needed to partake of circumcision - the rite of entrance into the Jewish religion.

We read from History of Christian Thought by Jonathan Hill, the Hebrew faction lead by Simon was nearly wiped out by the Romans at Pella with the leadership passing to the Gentiles who in the most part, followed the teachings of Paul.
---lee on 8/30/09


//Once again, I challenge you to provide a scripture that shows that the Fourth Commandment has been removed from the New Covenant.

And once again, you ignore my clear answers. Refer you to my response on 8/29

Suggest strongly you Google Judaism 101 and review the 600+ laws found in the Old Covenant and tell me which ones were abrogated and which were not. You would find that many of the OT laws were never abrogated but simply not viewed as mandatory to the church today.

You really condemn the saints of His church for not teaching the Jewish Sabbath to Gentile converts, your assumption is that they did not love Jesus thro many of them were martyred for their convictions.
---lee on 8/30/09


Lee: As usual, you have tiptoed around the subject, giving random scriptures which don't support your thesis, and never answering the question. Try again.

Once again, I challenge you to provide a scripture that shows that the Fourth Commandment has been removed from the New Covenant. My Bible only defines a change in LOCATION of "The Law" - the heart vs. stone - and not in the CONTENT of "The Law" with the advent of the New Covenant.

What good is a law if its contents are so nebulous that one cannot tell how to obey it? The Ten Commandments are direct and easily understood. Tell me, what are the exact contents of your New Covenant Law, and how do you know if you're obeying them?
---jerry6593 on 8/29/09
---jerry6593 on 8/30/09


Lee - "My Bibles use the phrase 'NOT LIKE that covenant that I made with their fathers'."

Is it your assumption that the New Covenant is NOT LIKE the Old Covenant is EVERY aspect or just SOME aspects?
---AG on 8/29/09


Lee - "You will not find a single early church father that taught Sabbath observance to Gentile church. Yes, there was pockets of Sabbath observing churches, but that was not the norm for the overwhelming majority of churches.."

Lee, when you refer to the early church, are you referring to churches in the first 50 years or 250 after Christ?

Per W.D. Davies, "The early Church up to 70 CE was a daughter of Judaism: only then did it leave the nest."
The 2 factors that lead to Christianity abandoning Nazarene Judaism were 1) non-Jewish believers began to out number Jewish believers combined with 2) the anti-Semitism of the Roman government.
---AG on 8/29/09




//My Bible only defines a change in LOCATION of "The Law" - the heart vs. stone -...

Behold, the days are coming,... when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel ...,not like the covenant that I made with their fathers ... when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt.

My Bibles use the phrase 'NOT LIKE that covenant that I made with their fathers'.

Therefore the New Covenant is NOT simply a re-hash of the Old covenant, nor can we view it as a simple addendum to the Old Covenant.

The New Covenant is one reflecting the 'ministry of the Spirit', not the 'ministry of death' as was the one craved in letters on stone. See 2 Cor. 3:7
---lee on 8/29/09


steveng - Did God wrote the 10 commandments on the hearts of believers?

If He did, then based on 2 Cor. 3:7,9 you would have to conclude that God wrote the "minisry of death" and the "ministry of condemnation" on the hearts of believers.

2Co 3:7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end,...

2 Cor. 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

Just doesn't sound right does it?
---lee on 8/29/09


Because mens' hearts are like stone and cannot listen to what God has placed on the heart is the reason the bible is written. The same reason the ten commandments given to Moses was written on stone. The OT is the relationship the people had with God and the NT is the testamonials of Jesus.

But the heart of today's people, including christians, is like a diamond.

The ten commandments were written on the hearts of the people of the earth since the beginning - not only to the Israelites. The cammandments were from God since the beginning, since Adam and Eve.
---Steveng on 8/29/09


//I challenge you to provide a scripture that shows that the Fourth Commandment has been removed from the New Covenant.

Hebrews 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

A covenant is like a Will in that a new one makes the old ones obsolete. All you have is therefore a law from an obsolete covenant.

Romans 14:5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike.

It is impossible to 'esteem all days alike' and observe the Sabbath, which only the Hebrew people observed.

And you can try Acts 15 where nothing about the Sabbath was imposed on Gentiles.
---lee on 8/29/09


Lee: "And such is Sabbath observance, it is not found in the New Covenant as a command or even a suggestion."

Once again, I challenge you to provide a scripture that shows that the Fourth Commandment has been removed from the New Covenant. My Bible only defines a change in LOCATION of "The Law" - the heart vs. stone - and not in the CONTENT of "The Law" with the advent of the New Covenant.

What good is a law if its contents are so nebulous that one cannot tell how to obey it? The Ten Commandments are direct and easily understood. Tell me, what are the exact contents of your New Covenant Law, and how do you know if you're obeying them?
---jerry6593 on 8/29/09




God gave us the Bible so we could hear the word of God and have faith. "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" Heb 10:17
Then that faith must be acted upon, in obedience. "Can faith save him?...Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone" James 2:14,17
What works? Obedience to the 10 commandments, as the verses right before, 10-12 shows. If we love God and neighbor, we will be obedient to the 10. Matt 22:36-40
The judgment will be fair to all. If the Sabbath was broken in OT and people lost because of it ,those who break Sabbath now and choose to sin will also be lost. Sin separates us from God, and sin per 1 John 3:4 is transgression of 10 Commandments.
---Gina7 on 8/29/09


AG -**Which "early church" are you talking about.

You will not find a single early church father that taught Sabbath observance to Gentile church. Yes, there was pockets of Sabbath observing churches, but that was not the norm for the overwhelming majority of churches. Most of those churches were of Jewish origin.

The church at Jerusalem continued in the Mosaic tradition under the leadership of James who was murdered by his fellow Jews. Simon his brother then took over the leadership but was killed by the Romans after they fled to Pella. That pretty much ended the Jewish church with the leadership passing to the Gentile churches.
(See History of Christian Thought by Jonathan Hill).
---lee on 8/29/09


Lee - "the early church did not teach Sabbath observance to Gentile converts"

Which "early church" are you talking about...Smyrna, Ephesus, Pergamum, Thyatira, Laodicea or the Asian churches? Seems to me there wasnt a consensus in behavior/values/teachings among the early churches.
---AG on 8/29/09


dconklin - *It's not required either.

"It" being Sabbath observance?

If that is what you meant, then you really need to be very careful. For not having all the "correct" beliefs,especially in regard to obedience to all of God's commandments, you may find yourself booted out of your church.

What would you then do? Find one of those churches whose members are candidates for the Mark of the Beast? LOL
---lee on 8/26/09


>And such is Sabbath observance, it is not found in the New Covenant as a command or even a suggestion.

It's not required either. There was no question about keeping the Sabbath during the NT era. Most Christians at least as late as the 5th century kept the Sabbath.
---dconklin on 8/26/09


dconklin - **I never said that all of the OT commands are in the New. Your misconception is that I said or believed in such.

Good! however that is the problem between those who believe all doctrinal beliefs should be based upon the New Covenant of the church and those who would cherry pick certain commands or beliefs from the Old Covenant not found within the New.

And such is Sabbath observance, it is not found in the New Covenant as a command or even a suggestion.

Furthermore the early church did not teach Sabbath observance to Gentile converts, it was not mandated nor would it have been practical considering the social composition of most converts and Saturday was considered a workday in the Roman world.

---lee on 8/25/09


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>Your misconception is that the commands in the OT are also found in the New, but that is not totally true.

I never said that all of the OT commands are in the New. Your misconception is that I said or believed in such.
---dconklin on 8/25/09


dconklin -**Those who love God with all their heart, mind and strength and their neighbor as themselves would not want to break even one of God's commands.

Very true, however,it is not a sin to break some law that does not apply to Christians?

The Jerusalem council made the decision Gentiles did not have to be circumcised or observe the law of Moses (Acts 15:5). All that was required of them was that they "should abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood" (15:20).

Your misconception is that the commands in the OT are also found in the New, but that is not totally true.
---lee on 8/24/09


"nana, the point I ..."
Yes indeed, 1 John defines that manner of love, a necessity of sorts.
" does not need to be a command to the believer."
As necessities go, that statement is not so. Why Paul says, Philippians 2:2, 'Fulfill ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, " and 5: "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:"
If you sum it all up, it must rather be in this, John 13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another." Even john 15:12, where he also said "If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you".
---Nana on 8/25/09


>I responded to this since there are those who claim one must dance the hoola on Thursday nights or observe the Jewish Sababth to prove you love God.

Nothing can prove that you love God. However, Jesus did say "If you love me, keep my commandments." Those who love God with all their heart, mind and strength and their neighbor as themselves would not want to break even one of God's commands.
---dconklin on 8/24/09


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thank you nana, the point I tried to make is whether or not shows love towards God by the way one tries ones neighbor. This is in contrast to those who believe one must love God and love ones neighbor.

They do this in order to justify obedience to OT commands that have nothing to do with love of neighbor.

The fact is, is that Romans 13:9-10 clearly states the fulfillment of the law is love of neighbor.

For those born of His Spirit, love of God is a given and really does not need to be a command to the believer.
---Lee on 8/24/09


Lee,
You responded to be true to yourself, as you should know by now that I do not advocate the hoola or the Saturday thing.
The fact remain that jesus said, "Moses said...", which thing he followed with "Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition...".
You can put all you want in your pocket or in a maxim, but even Paul gets quite specific:
Colossians 3:
5: Mortify therefore... fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry
9: Lie not one to another
12: "Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies,
Ephesians 6:2: "Honour thy father and mother...", which is what?
---Nana on 8/23/09


nana - **Revealing that Jesus speaks of "the commandment of God" as that given by Moses, it is not the generic love God, love neighbour, rather quite specific!

In view of the judgment of the sheep & the goats (Mt. 25:33f), is it not true that we show love towards God by the way we treat our neighbor?

And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'

I responded to this since there are those who claim one must dance the hoola on Thursday nights or observe the Jewish Sababth to prove you love God.
---Lee on 8/22/09


Because He wrote the Bible. God is the author. Because the Bible alone provides answers to life's three sixty-four trillion- dollar questions. A. Where did I come from? B. Why am I here. C. Where am I going? Also, because our enemy the devil has read it. And, Because the Bible is God's chosen way to accomplish His divine will.
---catherine on 8/22/09


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Mark 7:9-13: "And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother, and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me, he shall be free. And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother, Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye."
Revealing that Jesus speaks of "the commandment of God" as that given by Moses, it is not the generic love God, love neighbour, rather quite specific!
---Nana on 8/18/09


I wonder, who is the "us" you refer to Mima? Generally, God has made available to all of humanity His written word & has shown Himself in creating the heavens & earth as evidence of His love & power. God has also given "us" free-will to choose to believe in Him based upon His word & natural creation. Some choose to believe & others vehemently choose to reject God's written outreach efforts. That's shown, in one way or another, by people who blog here.
---Leon on 8/17/09


Ken:

How do you interpret this:

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Is this Jesus? Is this allegory, or poetry. Is this a statement of fact?

The passage describes Jesus. If Jesus is the Word, He is the Work of God. When Jesus tells us to keep His commandments, that means His commandments are the Torah, the Prophets, the Tanakh. He superseeds them all because He is them.

So when Jesus tell us the two commandments, Love God with all your heart soul, mind and your neighbor as yourself, that everything depends on them, are they not higher than the Torah? Do they not superseed the Torah?
---Mark_Eaton on 8/17/09


How else would we get to know him? His mercy that he showed people? His commands?

It's God's manual to us, a love letter to His people showing them His forgiving Character, His love, His mercy, compassion, long-suffering, etc.,

God's laws were recorded because He knew we wouldn't remember them from 2,000 years ago.

Here's a question for you: How long was the burning bush there before Moses saw it?
---anon on 8/17/09


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If Jesus established a "NEW" covenant, then clearly that which constituted the Old Covenant (or Torah) is no longer in vogue.

Perhaps that is the thought behind the view expressed by the Spirit of the Lord when He wrote the scripture -

"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13

And are we at fault when we view a covenant as a legally binding agreement and whatever is not in the covenant is not binding?
---Lee on 8/17/09


Ken //If Messiah did not come to abolish Torah, then "fulfill" can't mean "done away with" because "done away with" would mean he abolished them... made them go away.

What Christ effectively did was to establish a new covenant in His blood (Lk. 22:20).

And 'new' does indicate a replacement of the 'old', not an addendum or a re-hash of the old but something different, howbeit similar. So the Torah was replaced by the New Covenant of the church.

Heb 9:15 Therefore he (Jesus) is the mediator of a NEW covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
---Lee on 8/16/09


Ken when you write 'the Writings were not considered scripture until around 200AD.'

To which 'writings' do you refer?

What 'Scripture' was Paul referring to in 2 Tim. 3:16 ' All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness...'
---Warwick on 8/16/09


Lee, the Writings were not considered scripture until around 200AD. Not a big deal, but we should be clear.

As for Jerry's comments, I see no fault there. If Messiah did not come to abolish Torah, then "fulfill" can't mean "done away with" because "done away with" would mean he abolished them... made them go away.

But Messiah goes on from there and says all who DO and TEACH Torah will be called great in the Kingdom of heaven, while those who "don't do" or "teach against" called the least in the Kingdom. And seeing earth is still here, how can Torah not be according to the same set of verses?

Peace.
Ken
---Ken_Rank on 8/15/09


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Ken //So we as Christians say the OT leads us to Messiah, which is true... but Paul is saying that even after Messiah, Torah and the prophets are profitable for instruction in righteousness.

True since the Torah as well as the Writings and Prophets, as their essence pointed to the ministry of Christ and its fulfillment.

Jerrys favorite verse Mt.5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets, I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
---Lee on 8/13/09


The first 5 books came from Sinai through the entering into the land. The prophets added over time as they lived. The writings canonized around 200AD. The NT compiled about 200AD and canonized a bit later.

Paul wrote that all scripture is given by the inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine and instruction in righteousness. (paraphrased) Point is, when Paul wrote that to new Christians, the ONLY scripture around in that day was the Torah (first 5 books) and the prophets, nothing else.

So we as Christians say the OT leads us to Messiah, which is true... but Paul is saying that even after Messiah, Torah and the prophets are profitable for instruction in righteousness.

Peace.
---Ken_Rank on 8/13/09


I believe He gave us the Bible so we would have Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth!
---Bren on 8/9/09


mima>>"Why do you think God gave us the bible?"

By "the Bible" I assume you mean the words of God. The bible is our guide to our salvation.

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God UNTO SALVATION to every one that believeth.." (Rom.1:16)

The gospel of Christ which He preached to His disciples is for their salvation. It holds all that a christian needs for his salvation.
(continued)
---manny on 8/9/09


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I suppose the simple answer is that God gave us the Bible so that we have the opportunity to understand more of Him, more of ourselves, the truth of our origins, His plans, and our future.

So many people get 'off the track' even with the Bible, can you imagine the mess if it did not exist?

I have no time, and little respect, for those who claim to be Christian, but seek to show it is the product of human minds.

We understand God's word is the only absolute Truth which exists. We comprehend this by faith, but not blind faith, as Romans 1:20 clearly shows.
---Warwick on 8/9/09


The Old-Testament Is our school master leading us to Jesus Christ(New Testament), many prophecies states it to be so. The Bible (The Whole Lot of God's Word) Is our road-map in The Way we must go.
The enemy of our soul has a detour away from every Word that is in God's Word.
---Lawrence on 8/7/09


The Old-Testament Is our school master leading us to Jesus Christ(New Testament), many prophecies states it to be so. The Bible (The Whole Lot of God's Word) Is our road-map in The Way we must go.
The enemy of our soul has a detour away from every Word that is in God's Word.
---Lawrence on 8/7/09


Tray-Yes. They were scattered to the 4 winds and will be assembled in the end just as Prophesised in the Law and Prophets. Not all the word has been fullfilled.
---Yochanan on 7/15/09

Zechariah 10:8
I will hiss for them, and gather them, for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased.

Psalm 106:10
And he saved them from the hand of him that hated them, and redeemed them from the hand of the enemy
Galatians 4:5
To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

When the wolf is shearing the sheep it is probably close. Hear us Lord... atrocity's/Abomanations are the peoples leaders. Our enemies love it so.
---Trav on 7/16/09


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Tray-Yes. They were scattered to the 4 winds and will be assembled in the end just as Prophesised in the Law and Prophets. Not all the word has been fullfilled. The New Covenant letters and other writings that corelate with the Law and prophets note this issue.
---Yochanan on 7/15/09


YAHUSHUA(Jesus) did visit and minister the Gospel to Samariatan pagan mix Isreal and others on the coast "called Gentiles" by the Jews. Many would have certainly accepted the Kingdom! Others did not and recieved the "woe" from Him.

wherever Isreal and the Jews were exiled, the gospel surely follows....
---Yochanan on 6/20/09

Well, they are easy for our Lord to find. Such as the woman at her fathers Well. We can find them also. They are marked....and usually don't even realize it. The mods must not have liked the direction scripture was taking....they closed the Lost Sheep blog.
---Trav on 6/22/09


god gave us the bible so we had his word to live by
---Joseph on 6/21/09


God said He would give us His Spirit. Some will say, the bible is the Spirit. Wrong, The bible has caused so much confusion as in these blogs and different denominations,ect.
I think the bible left to most people causes more harm than good. The bible is only good for the lost man who cant find his way(milk). Then he needs to move on to meat(spirit)
---calhoon on 6/20/09


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So we would know Him, the truth, and our identity in Yahushua(Jesus) John 3:16-17) for His kingdom. He is calling out a set apart people in His Name known in greek as ekklessia or Hebrew as the kahal.

He did not give His Holy instructions(Torah) for us to manipulate into overlegalization, over spiritualization and liberalization etc. The narrow way between these extremes is found in reading matthew chapters 5-7.
---Yochanan on 6/20/09


"Why do you think God gave us the Bible?"

So we could read it.
---BruceB on 6/20/09


MarkV, Let me explain ,since you asked *Why is he on line?*
Fundamentalists (for want of a better name) all fall into a category of promoting 3 false doctrines
#1 Trinity (no real basis in scripture)
#2 Immortality of the human soul (this phrase or similar is not found in the bible)
#3 The God defaming belief that the creator barbecues humans eternally for no other reason but to make them suffer)
That, my friend, is why I'm here!
---1st_cliff on 6/14/09


Hebrews 11:6 But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse:
Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
---MIchael on 6/14/09


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Warwick, I agree. I just saw his name on another blog asking for Cluny to show him the Scripture of "Resurrection of the bodies" of course Cluny means without a doubt bodies of dead people. Which really means resurrection of the dead. But he saw a chance to question his answer for no purpose at all. That is what i see coming from him on all people. I asked him to tell us why he is on line? What is his purpose? Who is he working for? He must be someone with a high I.Q. who laughs at all those who don't think as highly as him. I have a brother like him. Who looks at his wife as a loser because she is not as smart as he is. Very sad. His read the Bible many times, not to learn about God but to learn how to trap others in questions.
---MarkV. on 6/14/09


Warwick, When Jesus was in the synagogue he read from "the scroll of Isaiah," a single scroll, There were a collection of scrolls ,we don't know how many!No mention of them being a single entity!
The Laws,the Prophets and Psalms.3 groups not referred to as "one".
When the printing press was invented they were collected together and made into "book" form.
People were quick to call it a "Holy" book and God the author!
The Douay version has 14 more books!
---1st_cliff on 6/14/09


The bible is the mind of God. Like a road map it shows routes and directions you should go in order to have a blessed and victorius life. It is a treasure trove of wisdom and understanding. It brings comfort,peace,joy.It also cuts like a sharp knife. It truths stand forever. There is a solution to every problem we may encounter in our lives, in God's Word. It can change us,save us,keep us and enrich every area of our lives. We become better christians through the Word of God.But the Word must get in us to do its work on us. This is our choice.
---Robyn on 6/14/09


Well said Mark.

1stCliff acts daily to undermine faith in God's word. Despite the fact that it is his source for the events he discusses he disagrees with it! He says Genesis is some man-made tribal story. Was he there? How does he know? Truth is that he does not know, he simply bends or rejects Scripture to conform to his non-Biblical world-view.

Can someone oppose what Jesus says and still call themselves Christian?

It bothers him not that Jesus rejects his view. That tells me where he is coming from.

Jesus believed in Genesis as sober history and said (John 3:12) 'I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe, how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?'

How indeed!
---Warwick on 6/14/09


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1 Cliff, why is it that when you answer you are always oppose to God's Word? Or oppose to those what want to teach from Scripture? You and I and everyone else knows that the Bible consist of 39 Old Testament books and 27 New Testament books. All making one book. When someone says one book, you argue not one, when they say many you say one. When the Bible says something you say it might not be true, and when you answer with Scripture you want to show that Scripture says something different using the very scripture you do not believe in in the first place. What is really your game? What do you want to accomplish each day you answer? What is your purpose?
---MarkV. on 6/13/09


1stCliff 'Bible' is the name of all 66 books.

If the Bible is of human origin it has limited value. However it claims to be God's word, in its entirity.

It is extraordinarily accurate, explaining things about our earth and universe well before humans discovered them.

Jesus and apostles quoted from or alluded to every OT book, doing so about Genesis alone, 200 times! Always as sober history. If we cannot trust what the Creator says who can we trust?

We have the Holy Spirit to guide our understanding. We would not understand much without His illumination.

Therefore there is no good reason to doubt Scripture is God's express word for us. Something which we can absolutely trust for today, and for eternity.
---Warwick on 6/13/09


1stcliff, don't let one failure stop you. Try again I would like an answer to my questions. I think they are important to the discussion.
---Warwick on 6/13/09


Warwick, I answered, but not all answers are published!
If you find fault with a library book,does that mean all the books in the building are wrong??? No!
Like I mentioned the bible is not "a" book but 66!
If you dispute one chapter or even one verse,does that automatically mean the whole book is in question?? NO!
Some books are of unknown authors,could it be folklore? Tell me how you know!
---1st_cliff on 6/13/09


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Pharisee:

I think that I gave the "best" answer to the question. The BIBLE is an "instruction manual" for daily living. The other writer had time to read other posts.


---Sag on 6/12/09


A more excellent answer! Amen, somebody gets it. God gave us the Bible to reveal himself to us, and that through it we will know him.

"The MOST IMPORTANT reason that God gave us scripture (the word "bible" is not found scripture, it is simply man's designation of scripture) is so that we could identify who His "lamb" is."---more_excellent_way on 6/11/09

John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
---Pharisee on 6/12/09


1st Cliff your source ,the Bible-the book-claims to be the inspired word of God but you reject what it says! You reject your own source! The creature corrects the creator! Is that not arrogance?

I asked '...how do you know God wrote the 10 Commandments?'

I think you answered 'Jesus mentioned the "commandments" '

As you reject the truth of the Bible how do you know Jesus mentioned the commandments? Maybe that bit's wrong? So how do you know God wrote the commantments?

You confidently wrote 'The laws and commandments were strictly for Israel!'

I asked 'Where does it say the commandments were only for Israel?....'

But you didn't answer.
---Warwick on 6/12/09


God gave us the Bible to be a path-finder, compass and light to us in the maze, journey and uncertainties of life (Psalms 119:105). Anyone who is not subject, obedient to the God who inspired the Bible is living in error and has not found the (true)life that he/she has been designed, formed to live (Matthew 22:29).
---Adetunji on 6/12/09


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This was said by Erigena, a Christian writer of the 800's:

Man was not created for Scripture, of which he would not have had necessity if he wouldn't have sinned, but rather Scripture -- interwoven with doctrine and symbols -- has been given to man. Thanks to it, in fact, our rational nature can introduce itself into the secrets of the authentic pure contemplation of God
---Cluny on 6/11/09


Warwick, Let me satisfy your curiosity.
#1 "you reject what IT says" The bible is not an "IT" but 66 separate and distinct books!
#2 Jesus mentioned the "commandments"
#3 One glaring example of error is Mark 16.9-20 drinking poison (remember Jimmy Jones?) Handling rattlers, many have died trying this foolishness!
My study of scripture is not "cursory"!
---1st_cliff on 6/11/09


It is VERY important that we do NOT incorrectly interpret the Bible. This is one reason why Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to us, so we can allow Him to OPEN the scriptures to us, so we know what God is TRULY saying (Luke 24:32). We get God's opinion, NOT man's opinion. Then we will be like Samuel, and be WITHOUT error.
---Leslie on 6/11/09


Everyone:

Thanks. I had a good laugh when I read through all the postings. I have to admit that I was pretty tired when I referred to the Bible as an "instruction manual". In hindsight, a rather poor choice of words. "God's Library", "God's Rule Book", or "History According To God's People" might have been better.

Like Samuel mentioned, the King James Version of the Bible is a TRANSLATION from the original Hebrew and Greek volumes. Since no person is "perfect", the translators might have made mistakes in their translation work. Still, the Bible is God's Word. The original text was "perfect". Translations might have "imperfections".

---Sag on 6/11/09


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Many people will not WILLINGLY be Godly (they need to be told to OBEY). For them, it feels more reasonable to think of God as "MASTER"/taskmaster, but He wants us to be a "FRIEND" (James 2:23) of "Abba Father" (dear father, Galatians 4:6) and live under the law of liberty/freedom (the PERFECT law)...

James 1:25
"the perfect law, the law of liberty".

James 2:12
"So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty".

Ephesians 2:15
"abolishing in his flesh the law of commandments".

The bible has always been misundestood because it is "interpreted" to mean something else (1 Corin. 13:10).
---more_excellent_way on 6/11/09


The MOST IMPORTANT reason that God gave us scripture (the word "bible" is not found scripture, it is simply man's designation of scripture) is so that we could identify who His "lamb" is.

Scripture also provides us with His wise counsel (good advice) and also presents us with "principles" and holy attitudes (also examples of things that are UNholy). God wishes that we would develop a "freewill conscience" so that we would WILLINGLY do His will (instead of have to OBEY "commands/commandments") so we might have a holy character/nature...

Romans 8:16
"it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with OUR SPIRIT that we are children of God".
---more_excellent_way on 6/11/09


God and His Word (O.T. & N.T.) are the same yesterday, today, and forever, they do NOT change. While no company puts out a 4000 year old manaul - God does NOT do things the way the world does them. The ENTIRE BIBLE (from Genesis to Revelation) still applies to our lives today, therefore, if we are going to live a life of abundance and success, we MUST life the Bible (from Genesis to Revelation). This is NOT an option to God.
---Leslie on 6/11/09


1stCliff, what drives you to constantly strive to undermine Scripture?

You write with such certainty about events which you would know nothing about if it wasn't for the Bible! But at the same time you reject what it says. Curious!

The Bible is your source, but you disagree with it? Curious!

Considering this how do you know God wrote the 10 Commandments?

How do you know there are 100's of mistakes in the KJV? By what standard do you judge it?

Where does it say the commandments were only for Israel? Is it now open season on murder and adultery?
---Warwick on 6/11/09


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First the Bible does not say bats are birds. That is not reading the passage. Bats are included as flying animals with a list of birds. The Bible lists things differntly then modern science that is not wrong.

The KJV has some mistakes. It is a translation from greek and hebrew. So What?

GOD gave us the Bible over 2000 years ago to guide us and inform us and teach and show us what is truth and error. 2 timoth 3:15-18.
---Samuel on 6/11/09


No company puts out a manual 4,000 yrs. after the intro to the product!
The bible (OT) is a collection of historical and sacred writings,not a manual!
Jesus could write, but he didn't.
God only wrote the 10 commandments.
The laws and commandments were strictly for Israel!
There are 100s of mistakes in the KJV.
---1st_cliff on 6/10/09


\\I keep on trying, but I have yet to find an error in the Bible.\\

Does this includ its saying that bats (which are mammals) are birds?
---Cluny on 6/10/09


BIBLE stands for Basic Instrutions Before Leaving Earth. This is God's instrution manaul on how to live our lives the way God wants us to live. If we do everything in it (from Genesis to Revelation), we will not only be living like God wants us to, but also we will have a blessed and abundant life. Let's say you are trying to put together a baby crib - in order to do it successfully, you need to look at the manaul. The Bible is the same way with our lives.
---Leslie on 6/10/09


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I don't know who gave us the Bible. I think it came from a lot of sources.
---eric1968 on 6/10/09


The Bible's main purpose is it's to be used as a standard for the Christian to live by. The Bible states, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Tim 3:16-17 (KJV)
---wivv on 6/10/09


Mima:

An engineer does not release a product from the "quality control" department without an "instruction manual" about how the product works.

Similarly, the Bible is an "instruction manual" about how people SHOULD live on the Earth. God is the author and he knew just what to include in the Bible.

I keep on trying, but I have yet to find an error in the Bible. I once asked my friend about version 2.0 of the Bible. His reply was that that won't ever be coming out. No need. Version 1.0 was already PERFECT.
---Sag on 6/10/09


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