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He [Moses] calls 'a spade a spade,' i.e., he employs the terms 'day' and 'evening' without Allegory, just as we customarily do we assert that Moses spoke in the literal sense, not allegorically or figuratively, i.e., that the world, with all its creatures, was created within six days, as the words read. If we do not comprehend the reason for this, let us remain pupils and leave the job of teacher to the Holy Spirit.-Martin Luther
---MIchael on 6/19/09


david- I didn't ignore that at all. But God created Heaven on the second day. He created Earth on the third day.

God created a firmament in the midst of the waters to divide the waters from the waters and called it Heaven. That divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters that were above the firmament. On the third day, God gathered the waters that were under the Heaven together into one place and said Let dry land appear. And God called the dry land Earth. The Earth did not exist until He did those things.
---Betty on 6/19/09


1st_cliff is just a boring liberal in the Spong mode, who blindly accepts the long-discredited Graf-Wellhausen nonsense.

If Cliff wants to prove that the translation is wrong, let him produce an original that differs. The language in the beginning was Hebrew or something very close, shown by the word plays.

The Hebrew wayyitser in Gen. 2:19 should be rendered "had formed" (pluperfect) as per the NIV, i.e. God *had formed* the animals which he brought to Adam to name, then God made Eve. No contradiction.
---Ktisophilos on 6/19/09


Ktisophilios, Neither you nor I know what language was spoken in the beginning,Gen 10. God confused their languages and scattered them!So yom,beyom may only be a translation from the original and may not be accurate!
Also there are two accounts of creation and they differ.
Gen.1 Plants animals man and woman.(in that order)
Gen2. Man, plants, animals then woman!

1st account calls deity God (never YHVH)35 times!
2nd account calls deity YHVH (never God)11 times! Two different writers!
---1st_cliff on 6/18/09


Betty- you must be the first person to ignore the first verse in the Bible: 'In the beginning, God created the Heavens AND THE EARTH.' Gen.1:1

This is the physical planet Earth which existed in darkness, on which God's spirit was 'moving to and fro', and which existed before light reached its surface on the 1st creative day.

The 6 creative days describe how God prepares the Earth for man (and woman), not through evolution, but through special creation.
---David8318 on 6/18/09




Well, I'm glad we could clear that up.
We all believe the world was created in six days, else "Both 'male and female' were created on the 6th day".---David8318 on 6/18/09 would not be true.
Thank you David for helping clear this up for everyone.
---MIchael on 6/18/09


I do apologize for that mistaken question.
It is not false dogmatic belief, just a mistake and there is no need to imply that Warwick was part of that mistake. It also has nothing to do with taking the first six days literally. I do know where your coming from, I've been there before, trying to reconcile the earthly views with the biblical views. After much research, those theories became less and less believable, whereas studying the Bible, which does not contradict itself, becomes more and more believable. I wish you wouldn't have to go through the process that I went through to believe the Word, but some of us have to do it the hard way instead of just believe. I hope you make it out the other side. God Bless
---MIchael on 6/18/09


'Who made Eve after the seventh day?' (Michael 6/18/09)

Here is more contradiction from the Warwick/Michael school of thought.

Michael ignores the events clearly described for us at Gen.1:27-31, 'And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in Gods image he created him, male AND FEMALE he created them... And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a sixth day.'

Both 'male and female' were created on the 6th day.

God from Gen.2:7 onward gives more detailed information as to how he created humans on that 6th creative day. First the man, then woman from the man. Otherwise you must believe God is contradicting himself!

False dogmatic belief's cause contradiction and undermine God's word.
---David8318 on 6/18/09


david- The earth was without form and void because it had not been created. God made the firmament (Heaven) first. 1st Day: Light was created 2nd Day: Heaven was created These days were evening-morning.
---Betty on 6/18/09


Israel fashioned their week on God's actual week, as instructed(Ex.20:8-11) resting on the 7thday. Why is it hard for people like David8318 to understand?
Remember David, there was a human there on the 7th day as God rested. The sabbath rest is spiritual.
Who made Eve after the seventh day?
Wouldn't this conflict with his spiritual rest?
Twist as you wish to fit your presuppositions.
Why is it necessary for God to create the universe in a longer time scale?
---MIchael on 6/18/09




'you claim the Sabbath never ended, then everyone of His chosen people would have been put to death for working on it!' (Warwick 6/17/09)

Why is it ones like Warwick are unable to comprehand the difference between God's time frame and that of humans? It's GOD'S Sabbath that has not yet ended. Israel has observed 1000's of sabbath days.

Israel fashioned their week on God's creative week, as instructed(Ex.20:8-11) resting on the 7thday. Why is it hard for people like Warwick to understand? It's laughable.

Heb.4:1-11 tells us there 'remains a sabbath resting for God's people.' If you want to believe the 7th day has ended, carry on. You contradict scriptures at Heb.4.

What other scriptures are you prepared to contradict?
---David8318 on 6/18/09


'By the same logic it cannot have begun as it doesn't have 'morning' applied to it.' (Warwick 6/17/09)

No, your logic is wrong. Previous 6 creative days had 'morning' applied to them at the END of their periods, not at the beginning. Read your Bible!

When the 7th day ends, when God declares it 'good', He will then say, 'And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a seventh day.' Meantime, Christians are encouraged at Heb.4:1-11 to 'enter into God's rest', because 'there remains a Sabbath resting for the people of God.'

Israelites used a miniature version of God's 'week', not an exact copy. (Ex.20:8-11) God is not in human time.

How long the previous 6 creative days were, I'm not going to be dogmatic.
---David8318 on 6/18/09


'It looks like the earth was in that six-day creation event.' (jerry6593)

You obviously failed to read (or didn't understand) the rest of my post. You don't have to believe it. I'll repeat it again-

"The 'heavens' created on the 2nd day were the heavens in which the flying creatures flew, and the 'earth' created on the 3rd day was the dry land that was made to appear.

The 'day' of Genesis 2:4 as well as the 'six days' of Exodus 20:11, comprising the whole creative period from when God created light on the earth, does not include the period of time previous in which Earth was already existing and during which it was formless and waste and existing in darkness."
---David8318 on 6/18/09


Some have used the expression 'in my fathers day', to explain the term 'day' in the Genesis account. Obviously this is not a 24hr period.

We sometimes go further to say, that within 'my fathers day', the 'dawn' or 'morning' of his life, and the 'autumn', or the 'evening' of his days.

Similar with the Genesis account. We cannot dogmatically or arbitrarily assert that 'morning and evening' must be 24hrs in length.
---David8318 on 6/18/09


2.--2 Timothy 4:3b but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears,
4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: [so do].
1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
---MIchael on 6/18/09


Really, did God say He put the earth into a spinning motion, or did He say (1) He divided light from darkness & called light Day & darkness Night? (2) commanded dry land to appear & called it Earth (3) created lights in the firmament of heaven? He never spoke of making the earth spin.
---Betty on 6/18/09


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Jerry - *...it is a fundamental fact of physics that if that rotation on day 3 were eons long, it would have to undergo massive angular acceleration to achieve a 24 hr/rev rate on day 4.

You obviously do not understand the fact God is omnipotent and can do whatever He wishes. Sorry but whatever was the case, He is not bound by any of our laws of physics. In fact, if He wished, He could even walk on water.Mt. 14:25.

Sorry to inform you but there is nothing in Scripture anywhere that identifies the duration of the first 3 days - even if the light was interrupted by the darkness.

Both the light and the subsequent darkness could have been of eons in duration, having nothing to do either with the earth's rotation or plant life.
---Lee1538 on 6/18/09


1st_cliff

//Warwick, Yom, Beyom, now we"re getting into semantics.//

As we should! This debate is about the meaning of words in their context, which is what "semantics" means.

//Written vowels were not part of early Hebrew script!//

Again irrelevant, because the consonants were enough to differentiate the plain yom from the prepositional phrase beyom/bayom, the latter has a prefixed letter beit.
---Ktisophilos on 6/17/09


1. The Earth being over 10,000 years old is not a fact, it is a theory that most unbelievers of God and apparently some so-called believers of God adhere to. There is no reason to believe this theory in that it is man-made to support the process of evolution, which is also a man-made theory.
I choose not to put my faith in these theories, but in God, not in worldly, but in heavenly.
2Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
2Timothy 4:3a For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine,
---MIchael on 6/18/09


Lee: You do violence to the scriptures. Your ASSUMPTION that light was continuous the world over on the first 3 days is in direct contradiction to the scriptures that clearly state that these days (like the other 4) consisted of periods of dark and light (evening and morning).

While I agree that God had caused the earth to spin on the first three days (else evening and morning make no sense at all), it is a fundamental fact of physics that if that rotation on day 3 were eons long, it would have to undergo massive angular acceleration to achieve a 24 hr/rev rate on day 4.

Why do you cling to such an unscientific, unjustified rendering of Genesis if not to allow for a darwinian explanation of origins?
---jerry6593 on 6/18/09


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David: "Planet Earth was created before the 6 creative 'days' began." That's not what God said when He wrote the following in stone with His own finger:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth ...

Yep! It looks like the earth was in that six-day creation event. Now, are you suggesting that we should believe what you wrote rather than what God wrote?
---jerry6593 on 6/18/09


\\Written vowels were not part of early Hebrew script!\\

The vowel points were not added until about the time of Christ's earthly sojourn.

It's easy to see how BRD could be bread, breed, bored, bird, abroad, or beard.

Moreover, there were no gaps between words in early Biblical, including Greek mss (and there were a lot of abbreviations in Greek, too).

Furthermore the Masoretic text (with the vowel points) wasn't stabilized until 1100 AD or so.

Relatively late, isn't it? Think about the implications.
---Cluny on 6/17/09


Jerry - *1) Plants created on day 3 could not survive the eons long darkness of the "evening" of day 3.

As stated previous we do NOT know the characteristics of the light from God.

This light from God could very well have sustained any plant life for any long duration while solar light may destroy plant life.

*2) A long first 3 days necessitates a slow earth rotation. This rotation rate must accelerate to a 24-hour rotation rate at the day 3-4 transition. Such acceleration would tear the earth apart.

We do not have any info regarding the rotation of the earth when the light from God first appears. The earth could have been spinning thru space prior to the 4th day.
---Lee1538 on 6/17/09


Warwick, Yom, Beyom, now we"re getting into semantics.
Consider this..Writing (alphabet) was not invented 'till circa 3,000BCE..no one was there to hear this conversation,not even Adam, so this part of Gen. was handed down orally and one can only surmise how it came about.
So I ask Can you be dogmatic about individual words???
Written vowels were not part of early Hebrew script!
Can a 1,500 year gap between the event and writing be absolutly letter perfect?
---1st_cliff on 6/17/09


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Warwick, as I said and it remains ...the length of the day is not important. The creation in scripture is for the sole purpose of showing us the grandeur of the creator, his completeness and sovereignty.

All arguments posted should point toward worship or in the case of creation, praise for the creator.
The only thing we can assume from explanations from humans concerning the length of the day is that they are probably made in err since we know there is not a single verse in the bible praising intelligence or its realiability. God laughs at intelligence also called man's wisdom.
---larry on 6/17/09


David you believe the 7th day never ended, because it is not described as having evening and morning. By the same logic it cannot have begun as it doesn't have 'morning' applied to it.

God says He created in 6 days, rested the 7th, the Sabbath,setting a pattern for his people to follow. If as you claim the Sabbath never ended, then everyone of His chosen people would have been put to death for working on it!

You reject 6-day 24hr creation for no Biblical reason and cannot support your view by Scripture.

Therefore you reject, and contradict God's word, and His Word because of men's traditions.

A position of faith?
---Warwick on 6/17/09


Do you believe the earth was created in six days?
My answer is. Gen 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Everything else was done in six day!
And on the last day he rested!
These things must be true!

Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.

It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

A Psalm of David. The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof, the world, and they that dwell therein.

He so cool, right!
May God bless you all!
---TheSeg on 6/17/09


No Mark the most critical thing is that we put Jesus first, that we do not hold to the traditions of men but to every word of God. Where in Scripture does it say the faithful can choose what they will believe or not. Isn't that what the liberals do, to their cost?

Can you provide one Scripture which says we should accept any man's opinions over God's word?

Remember the NT says the need for Jesus to come and die in our place is based directly in the events of the first few chapters of Genesis. Do we not gain salvation by faith, and is it not faith to trust God writes the truth?
---Warwick on 6/17/09


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1stCliff as I clearly stated 'In my fathers day' could be written as 'when my father was alive', or 'in his time.' This is a vague non-specific period of time' Therefore Genesis 2:4 means 'when God created.' It is not 'yom', but 'beyom.'

However when I wrote that it took 6 'days' to drive across Australia this equates to the meaning of day in Genesis 1:5 'one day', that period of time God says is made up of night and day, 24hrs.

You say this doesn't agree with men's opinions but it does agree with the Creator who said man was made at the beginning, not at the end as you believe. Who is correct the Creator who was there or falible sinful men who wern't? Too easy!
---Warwick on 6/17/09


Larry Jesus the Creator says man was made at the beginning of the creation in which we live-Mark 10:6. As the days are 24hrs each then day 6 in relation to the approximately 1,460,000 days between the beginning and when Jesus spoke, will do me for the 'at the beginning of creation.'

No matter how you look at it other ideas have man appearing, not 'at the beginning', rather almost at the end.

If God really meant us to believe each 'day' was a million or billion years why did He so carefully define day-length-Genesis 1:5, and then confirm this definition in Exodus 20:8-11?

In John 3:12 Jesus asks how we can trust Him about heavenly things if we can't trust Him about earthly things?

How indeed, stick to God's word!
---Warwick on 6/17/09


That is what the bible says so I believe it. 6 days means 6 days and the length of the day is not important. Next question?
---larry on 6/17/09


What never ceases to amaze me is how the anti 6-day crowd ignore and/or reject Scripture while claiming to follower Christ.

Wayne says it cannot be 6 24hr days as there was no sun at the beginning, totally ignoring God said 'let there be light and there was light....and there was evening (night) and there was morning (day)-'one day.' If God says He created light, producing day and night, that's good enough for me, not for Wayne and others.

Wayne also comes up with the idea that God's time isn't our time as though that is a revelation! Of course God's time is different, totally different, He is eternal, existing outside of time! Time was created for man as per Genesis 1:14 'to mark the seasons days, and years', and Exodus 20:8-11.
---Warwick on 6/17/09


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God created Day and Night before He created the sun, moon & stars. Genesis 1:3-5, "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

Speaking of evolution again, isn't an amoeba still an amoeba? Yes. Somehow it never became what they said: 1st. fish 2nd. tortoise 3rd. mammal like water hog 4th. lion 5th. ape or chimpanzee 6th. man
Hey! There are still amoebae on this planet!
---Betty on 6/17/09


Whether the earth was created in six 24-hour days or in six 1000-year days, the most critical point of this discussion must be that it was CREATED and did not come into being by some mysterious Big Bang of particles that miraculously came from nowhere.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/17/09


Paul discusses 'faith' at Hebrews 4:1-11, saying 'For we who have exercised faith do enter into the rest,' (4:3) ie: God's Sabbath resting.(Gen.2:3) Christians can do this because 'there remains a sabbath resting for the people of God'. (4:10)

God has not declared His 7th day as ending. It 'remained' in Paul's day, and Christians are encouraged, 'by faith', to 'enter into the rest', (God's rest) even today.

God's 7th day of rest (from creating) is still running. Christ is 'Lord of the Sabbath', and will make sure God's will is done at the end of his Millennial reign.

The Israelites at Exodus 20:8-11 were told to organize their week using a miniature version of God's creative week, observing a Sabbath on their 7th day.
---David8318 on 6/17/09


Planet Earth was created before the 6 creative 'days' began. The 'first day' describes light reaching the surface of the already existing earth, which before the first day began was in darkness. How long Planet Earth existed before the 'first day' began is not stated.

The 'heavens' created on the 2nd day were the heavens in which the flying creatures flew, and the 'earth' created on the 3rd day was the dry land that was made to appear.

The 'day' of Genesis 2:4 as well as the 'six days' of Exodus 20:11, comprising the whole creative period from when God created light on the earth, does not include the period of time previous in which Earth was already existing and during which it was formless and waste and existing in darkness.
---David8318 on 6/17/09


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Warwick, So, in your illustration of driving you are agreeing that "in my father's DAY" means a period of time when your father lived,right? So in Gen 2.4 the same word "day" has a meaning of "a period of time", My argument exactly!
Now because God saw fit to use the 24hr. 7 days a week as illustration of His creative days ,you conclude that the creation days must have also been 24hours as well!
This does not agree with archaeologists who find fossils in earth's strata -older fish and birds,later animals and man! TIME!
---1st_cliff on 6/17/09


Lee: "there is no reason one cannot view these 'days' as being periods of time, the first 3 being of unknown duration." Yes there is. I've given you two previously. Here they are again:

(1) Plants created on day 3 could not survive the eons long darkness of the "evening" of day 3.

(2) A long first 3 days necessitates a slow earth rotation. This rotation rate must accelerate to a 24-hour rotation rate at the day 3-4 transition. Such acceleration would tear the earth apart.

Why do you cling to such an unscientific, unjustified rendering of Genesis if not to allow for a darwinian explanation of origins?
---jerry6593 on 6/17/09


Warwick, In Gen 2.19. it says that as God made each creature ,birds and animals that He brought them to Adam to name.So he named thousands of animals in an afternoon???Hey!
Then He said "It's not good for Adam to be alone" What for one day???
Then He ended the 6th day! All in a day's (24hr) work, Oh ya!
---1st_cliff on 6/17/09


Yes I do! If God said it,I believe it and that settles it,for me!God is God and can do anything but fail. I have no argument in this regard.
---Robyn on 6/16/09


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1st_cliff asks of Warwick:

"Why would you imagine that god was in some kind of "time-bind"???"

He wasn't. God could have created everything in 6 femtoseconds. But He spread it out over 6 days to give a pattern for our working week (Ex. 20:8-11).

"... the estimated no.of species are between 30-50 million!"

Did you count? Actually, estimates vary, considering that under 2 million are actually named. And these are just man-made distinctions in many cases, since the so-called different species and sometimes even different genera interbreed. So why should we interpret Genesis according to a fallible man-made classification scheme?
---Ktisophilos on 6/17/09


I cant grasp how some of you take the scriptures so literal such as the world was created in 6 days, even though YHVH's time is not our time, there was no sun, moon, or stars, so it really couldnt of been literally 24 hours. But yet when Yeshua says until Heaven and earth pass away not one Yud or one Nekudah will pass from the Torah, you say no we dont have to keep the commandments from Torah. Strange isnt it. You will twist so many scriptures,especially Pauls to your own destruction as Peter says, just so you can live however your conscience dictates. A funny thing dont you think?
---wayne on 6/17/09


1st_cliff

That is a half truth. Strong's gives many meanings of "day", and most of them are normal-length. But this is not enough: not all meanings will fit a specific context. Dr Don Carson's book Exegetical Fallacies explains your fallacy as:

Unwarranted adoption of an expanded semantic field. The fallacy in this instance lies in the supposition that the meaning of the word in a specific context is much broader than the context itself allows and may bring with it the words entire semantic range.

BTW, Koehler and Baumgartner's standard Hebrew-Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament (HALOT) specifically states that Gen 1:5 as a day of twenty-four hours.
---Ktisophilos on 6/16/09


1stCliff as regards Genesis 2:4 consider the following little story: In my father's day (in my father's time) by driving all day (daylight) he was able to cross Australia in 6 days- 6 24 hour days.

Strongs does define the Genesis 2:4 'day' as a time period, agreeing with its use in my story above. However keep reading and see how Strong's defines a 24 hour day, being Genesis 1:5 "and there was evening and there was morning-one day.' In Hebrew day is yom, whereas in Genesis 2:4 the word is 'beyom', very different.

BTW 2 The Koehler & Baumgartner 'Hebrew Aramaic Lexicon of the OT' says- Genesis 1:5 'and there was evening and there was morning-one day, defines a 24hr day. Agreeing with Strongs, and other sources.
---Warwick on 6/16/09


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Lee1538: "What that really tells me is that you apparently believe that our salvation largely depends not upon Christ, but merely right beliefs."

The Apostle Paul thought so too. See Romans 10:9, 1 Cor. 15:1-4. But in your case, the question is "which Christ?". The true Christ is both God and man, and He died for our sins and rose again from the dead.
---Ktisophilos on 6/16/09


1stCliff in answer to my question you wrote 'PS "Everything according to it's kind" -All species'

God created the original kinds, to reproduce after their kind. I believe all the varieties of dogs can interbreed so they are both the one kind and the one species, like humans are.

Because the great variety of dogs can interbreed we can confidently say they are all descended from the original dog kind.

Some seagulls, though descendants of an original bird kind, have 'speciated' to such an extent they cannot interbreed.

God created the original kinds from which the different species developed. Therefore, though able, God did not need to create millions of species.
---Warwick on 6/16/09


Lee it is by faith we are saved. By God's absolute faith uswards and our feeble faith in Him.

'By faith we understand the universe was formed...' Heb. 11:3

'..without faith it is impossible to please God..' Heb. 11:6

'...everything that does not come from faith is sin.' Rom. 14:23

Remember the historical truth of the gospel in founded in the historical happenings of the early chapters of Genesis. But you play fast and loose with these chapters only because of the changing opinions of falible men. Faithful?

What is there (other that mans failble, changing opinions) which stops us believing 6-day creation?
---Warwick on 6/16/09


Lee I am off to race my car tomorrow and will be back in 3 days so you can answer me then. But how will you know when to answer? Beats me, are they days like God's first three or the next three? How can we know?
---Warwick on 6/16/09


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Lee it is by faith we are saved. By God's absolute faith uswards and our feeble faith in Him.

'By faith we understand the universe was formed...' Heb. 11:3

'..without faith it is impossible to please God..' Heb. 11:6

'...everything that does not come from faith is sin.' Rom. 14:23

Remember the historical truth of the gospel in founded in the historical happenings of the early chapters of Genesis. But you play fast and loose with these chapters only because of the changing opinions of falible men. Faithful?

What is there (other that mans failble, changing opinions) which stops us believing 6-day creation?
---Warwick on 6/16/09


Lee I am off to race my car tomorrow and will be back in 3 days so you can answer me then. But how will you know when to answer? Beats me, are they days like God's first three or the next three? How can we know?
---Warwick on 6/16/09


Warwick - *I am convinced by Scripture therefore that our beliefs about Genesis will effect our salvation.

What that really tells me is that you apparently believe that our salvation largely depends not upon Christ, but merely right beliefs.

That is really what the Roman church has preached over the centuries - the necessity of right beliefs (i.e. if you do not believe in purgatory, papal infallibility, etc. you will be lost.)

Read if you will 1 Cor. 13:9-10 RSV For our knowledge is imperfect and our prophecy is imperfect, but when the perfect comes (i.e. Christ), the imperfect will pass away.

Our understanding of God is very limited and will continue to be while we are still on this planet.
---Lee1538 on 6/16/09


1st_cliff: "Unlike the pagan gods our God is both logical and reasonable."

Only in your human mind. If you believe that "God is both logical and reasonable" then your mind is God's mind. Whatever doesn't make sense to humans makes perfect sense to God, and to God only. There are many things that do not make sense in human thinking. That's why we christians are allowed to ask God questions. Read the book of Job. Job didn't understand God's thinking and kept asking questions.

God's thinking is not our thinking and our thinking is not God's thinking. His thoughts are much higher than human thoughts.
---Steveng on 6/16/09


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*Doesn't the faithful Christian accept what God says, by faith?

While the faithful Christian does accept what God says by faith, does the faithful Christian need to accept your interpretation?

The fact is that the Genesis account does NOT define the first 3 days as being of any duration.

While we can agree the creation events are defined in terms of 'days' there is no reason one cannot view these 'days' as being periods of time, the first 3 being of unknown duration. Bear in mind that we conceive of a day in relation to the sun which was NOT created until the 4th 'day'.
---Lee1538 on 6/16/09


Warwick,I answer every question you ask,when I ask you all I get is a snide remark!
You've yet to answer that Gen.2.4 (KJV) says "In the DAY the lord god created the earth and the heavens" Day (singular) yes One Day!
Correctly read In the period of time He created...as in the 6 periods of time!
Yowm Heb..Strong's concordance- A period of time!
PS "Everything according to it's kind" -All species
---1st_cliff on 6/16/09


Most would agree the basics for one day is a spherical, rotating earth and a fixed light source-the system we see today, as God created.

In Genesis 1:5 God clearly describes an everyday earth-rotation day, having evening and morning-night and daylight. God,in the original Hebrew, calls this 'one day' and uses this precise description for the following 5 days.

If God meant other than 6 days of about 24hrs why did He define it so specifically? If it was a vague or much longer period why didn't He say so. Was He embarassed that it took Him so long to create?

Why then to compound this confusion (I am not confused) did He (Exodus 20:8-11) clearly say His creation days were exactly the same as the first 6 days of our week?
---Warwick on 6/16/09


The purpose of language is communication.

Lee would have us believe language has no meaning.

To put it in another less threatening context let us consider litres of fresh pasteurized Jersey cow's milk. If I had six litres of this milk and gave a litre each to six people anyone who understands English would know I gave each person 1 litre of 'fresh, pasteurized Jersey cow's milk-the same thing, the same quantity.

However despite my specific description, Lee, by his convoluted reasoning, could not accept that each of the 1 litres were equal.

If I can be clear when I write, cannot God be perfectly clear? Apparently not as, if Lee is correct, God is either incompetent or deceitful.
---Warwick on 6/16/09


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Cluny you wrote '...days are measured by the rotation of the earth facing the sun...'

Not true! All that is necessary for 'one day' is a rotating earth and fixed light source.

See Genesis 1:3-5 where God ceated 'light' then said 'And there was evening and there was morning-one day.' Obviously the light created was not the sun, but lit the earth commencing God's day and night cycle. He describes the following 5 days with the same formula. 'And thre was evening and there was morning- a second, a third a fifth day.'

There is no evidence, nor even a hint that these days were of different length. In Exodus 20:8-11 God confirms they are of the same length, the same as our 7 day week.

Otherwise language has no meaning.
---Warwick on 6/16/09


God defines 'one day' as having evening and morning i.e one earth-rotation (as our days today),saying He created in 6 of these, and confirms their length in Exodus 20:8-11 some will not believe Him, pleading that it doesn't matter! Doesn't the faithful Christian accept what God says, by faith?

Consider:

Hebrews 11:3'By faith we understand the universe was formed...'

11:6 '..without faith it is impossible to please God..'

Romans 14:23 '...everything that does not come from faith is sin.'

What is there (other that mans failble, changing opinions) which stops us believing 6-day creation?

I am convinced by Scripture therefore that our beliefs about Genesis will effect our salvation.
---Warwick on 6/16/09


phil the elder- If you ever post on this blog, please take notice. On 6-10 on another blog about creation, you said I keep God in a box. Well, I don't, never thought I could, but you must have thought I could. It is ludicrous to say that, bordering on blasphemy. Light years are only in man's imagination. They can't be proven and never will be proven. I would have answered you on this sooner, but blogs get swamped in one day & I don't read every one each day. Some of the blogs fill up fast.
---Betty on 6/16/09


1stcliff- Genesis 1:31 "And God saw everything that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." He created in six days. He wouldn't have said so if He hadn't meant it.
---Betty on 6/16/09


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Steveng- (6-15) You pointed out some good examples.
---Betty on 6/16/09


lee- The Bible says what it meant about God creating everything in six days. God's power is not so limited that it would take Him ages to create.
---Betty on 6/16/09


What I keep wondering about concerning this subject, is WHY do some believe that it is so very essential to believe all the creation days were 24 hours?

What basic doctrine of the Christian faith is rejected or even affected?

Cannot the orthodox Christian believe God created all things by His word alone and that time was not a constraining factor in anything He did?
---Lee1538 on 6/16/09


*The key again is discernment, how to tell... look through the Bible and notice everywhere the word 'day' is conjoined with a number, it means 1 rotation of the Earth, 24hrs..

And the ASSUMPTION here is that the earth even during the first 3 'days' had a rotational time of 24 hours.

Again, I would ask as to why is it so very important to believe all the days of creation had to be of 24 hour duration? Cannot one simply believe God is timeless and not constrained by our invention of time?
---Lee1538 on 6/16/09


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God is timeless.. no time constraint or restraint.
God chose to create in 6 days and rest on the seventh for a sign of the 7 day week just as he made the sun, moon, and stars as a sign for the days, seasons, and years.
The day was already created on.. you guessed it.. day 1..the sun on day 4 was given as a sign of the day.
Now, most words have different meanings and we all accept the word 'day' has different meanings in the Bible. The key again is discernment, how to tell... look through the Bible and notice everywhere the word 'day' is conjoined with a number, it means 1 rotation of the Earth, 24hrs..
God didn't need to create in 6 days, He chose to. Oh, He also rested on the 7th day by choice.
---MIcheal on 6/16/09


1stCliff your posts show that God's word is not your authority but man's falible opinions. It took you a while to show your true colours but it was worth waiting for.

A question: where in God's word does it say He created all the species within His 6-day creation?
---Warwick on 6/16/09


\\In Genesis God instituted evening and morning -night/day-cycle, and (in Hebrew) calls this 'one day.'

He then applies this formula to the next 5 creation days, there was evening and there was morning a second day, a third day..\\

Since the sun was not created till the third day, and days are measured by the rotation of the earth facing the sun, the first two days could not have been 24 hours days.

And if the first two days were not 24 hour days, why would the others be?

Furthermore, not all ancient cultures observed a 7 day week, including the Greeks and Romans. It was NOT universal.
---Cluny on 6/16/09


Steveng, "Because He can" is not a valid reason for anything.
Unlike the pagan gods our God is both logical and reasonable.
Our planet is an environmental, ecological masterpiece!To say He whipped it up in a few seconds is stupid,each minute part is well planned and masterfully designed to perpetuate itself!
The human body is made up of millions of cells,each one with a purpose! NO! He took the time!
---1st_cliff on 6/15/09


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For those of you who don't believe the six day creation, then you don't believe the miracles performed by Jesus.

Non sequitur = unwarranted conclusion: a conclusion that does not follow from its premises

The creation 'days' could merely have designed periods of time of unknown duration, being that first 3 days which were NOT solar days.

God on the first day created light and who is to say that that light was not of very long duration and was different from light of solar days?

Those that believe God is not timeless or capable of miracles have a god that is small and limited by human attributes.
---Lee1538 on 6/15/09


In Genesis God instituted evening and morning -night/day-cycle, and (in Hebrew) calls this 'one day.'

And when the sun starts to go down, we refer to that is 'evening' and when it comes up in we refer to that as 'morning'.

But what do we call a 'day' prior to when the sun was created? If your answer that it was a period of unknown duration, you got the correct answer.

Any intelligent person - either a cult member or someone that is totally orthodox in their beliefs - should be able to see that as clearly the Genesis account does not specify any of the days as 24 hour period.

Again, the problem here lies with those that base much of their beliefs on ASSUMPTIONS.
---Lee1538 on 6/15/09


For those of you who don't believe the six day creation, then you don't believe the miracles performed by Jesus. For it was God through Jesus who brought the dead back to life within a few minutes. It was God through Jesus who healed within a few minutes. It was God through Jesus who instantly turned the water into wine. It was God through Jesus who calmed the storm. It was God through Jesus who multiplied the fish and loaves of bread to feed thousands. It was God through Jesus who walked on water. It was God through Jesus who withered the fig tree.

The physics of God is not the same as the physics of man. God can manipulate atoms anyway he wishes and as fast as his thoughts create them.
---Steveng on 6/15/09


Warwick, Why would you imagine that god was in some kind of "time-bind"???
Each creature on earth is wonderfully designed,sized,colored,with a purpose (except mosquitoes) the estimated no.of species are between 30-50 million!
To turn these out in 2 evenings would mean creating some 5,000 per second???why???
What was the hurry???
Earth's strata reveals species in the order that they were created (people last)
We're not talking 2 days here!
---1st_cliff on 6/15/09


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Warwick, You yourself said "the darkness he called night"
Unless you live in the Arctic circle it's "dark" from evening 'till "morning" What God called "night" (your own words)
You are a fairly intelligent person, how come you still don't "get it???"
He pronounced it a day because it was a "time period"
---1st_cliff on 6/15/09


Betty, If you mean 6 time periods called "days" the answer is yes
If you mean 24hr.days the answer is definitly not!
---1st_cliff on 6/15/09


Warwick, (to continue) You need to consider "location"
Up in the space station there is no day/night sequence.
So from the Creator's vantage point,no actual evening/morning reference,which shores up my point about it being figurative!
In the arctic circle from now 'till the next few days the sun will not set!
In Antarctica the sun will not rise!
What geographic location is God referencing the evening /morning sequence??? (being a 24hr.day)
---1st_cliff on 6/15/09


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