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Are Catholics Doomed To Hell

Brother Jed Smock and Sister Cindy visited my secular University. I talked with both of them. According to these Fire-and-Brimstone preachers, I'm doomed to HELL because I'm Catholic. Are these folks prophets sent by God? Is what they told me accurate or what?

Moderator - Some Catholics are Christians and some Catholics are not Christians. The bottomline for any person becoming a Christian is whether or not the have accepted Jesus Christ into their life.

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Jerry~ No, I don't believe either that if someone partakes in a ritual such as circumcision, infant baptism etc., that this necessarily means that someone is not of the heavenly family. Some people who partake of such rituals are truly sincere to God in obedience, love, and faithfulness.

What I was saying is that when a person claims that he is saved/born-again based merely on the fact that his church claims that infant baptism makes him a born-again/saved child of God, yet his lifestyle shows that he is living to sin he is truly not saved:

"Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, but he who sins is of the devil" (I Jn 3:7-9)

I'm sure you agree, correct?
---Anne on 6/21/09


Jerry~ Correct, we are called to teach so people might know to work out their salvation (with fear and trembling), and seek the word of God themselves deeply for answers.

Happy Father's Day to All, but mostly we give thanks to our Father above!!
---Anne on 6/21/09


With all due respect Tom 2 Sanctification is the work of the Holy Spirit, (Philippians 1:6) and we have no chores but meekness (willing submission) to the Father's will.

This of course will never to happen without humility, seeing things (more importantly self) the way they really are. Starting there it's a joy to even be alive, add to that the fact that our God has chosen us to be at work in him and he in us and you've got a reciepe for serious passion in the flame of God's Holy Fire.

Yall have a blessed week, love,
---Pharisee on 6/21/09


the only people doomed are those who reject jesus.who choose not to follow jesus.santification is a daily chore, whiose results are ultimately leading our spirit into a relationship where God will manifest himself to us, and we become a new creature,aka changed into the image of christ.
---tom2 on 6/21/09


Anne: While I agree that infant baptism is a meaningless ritual (since baptism symbolizes the death and burial of the old man and the resurrection of the new), and that there are many false doctrines to be found in virtually all denominations, I am convinced that none of these false beliefs, sincerely held, of themselves constitute disqualification from the heavenly family.

Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at....

It is our job to "teach the truth in love" (Eph 4:15), and let the Holy Spirit do His job of convicting the hearts of others. We are not qualified to decide who is heavenly material and who is not.
---jerry6593 on 6/21/09




before jesus all gentiles were doomed.
---tom2 on 6/21/09


Evidences God made us Born-Again

1. By God's mercy we hear the gospel message.

2. If it's the true gospel message, the Holy Spirit will convict that we can never come before God in our stained, sinful condition.

3. But we hear the wonderful message of hope and grace that Jesus died for/justifies those who sincerely repent of their past life of sin and place their faith in Him. We desire to be His true deciples by following the Lord, God's word, and abiding in Holy Spirit.

4. We humbly come before God thanking Him for Jesus' sacrifice and repenting of sin asking for mercy.

5. The faithful continue to abide in the Lord and His Light. They'll continue to confess any future sin mistakes and grow in grace.
---Anne on 6/20/09


Ruben~ My husband was born and raised Catholic. When he became baptized, this was not the moment of his salvation/born-again. When my husband was a teen he turned to alcohol and became an alcoholic/drunkard for many many years.

Fortuneately later in life, the Lord opened His spiritual eyes and my husband humbly repented and turned from alcohol/drunkeness and sin/darkess. He wanted to live for the Lord's will. This is when a person becomes born-again/saved Ruben.

To have a minister sprinkle a few drops of water on a baby does not mean the person is born-again. However, if you want the baby sprinkled as a dedication ceremony to symbolize you want the child brought up to follow the Lord...this may be fine.
---Anne on 6/20/09


Ruben~ I'm sure you know that works like circumcision do not save us.

For instance, David was a man who followed the Lord diligently the vast majority of his life. Now, David would have had his sons circumcised, but this did not mean that his sons were saved and followed the Lord. We know this because one of David's sons mollested one of his own sisters.

This Bible teaches that the sexually immoral, drunkards, lyers, etc do not inherit the kingdom of heaven.

Remember Ruben, Jesus taught us in Mt. 7:21 "Not all who say 'Lord,Lord' inherit the Kingdom of God, but he who does the will of My Father in Heaven."
---Anne on 6/20/09


Ruben~ Not to argue, but baptism by water, is not the same meaning as 'born-again.' Anne on 6/19/09

I wiil not agrue, but how do you know that baptism by water is not the same as born-again? As I Have ask so often why is your interpretation of scripture correct? Please expalin?
---ruben on 6/20/09




When Jesus said for the little children to come to Him, he did not say the babies needed to be baptized.

---Anne on 6/19/09

And he did not say not to baptise them as well, so why would you keep them away?
---Ruben on 6/20/09


Anne * Works like circumcision and water baptism do not save us.

Scripture disagree with you,

'And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people, he hath broken my covenant"(Gen 17:11-17)

"wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us'(1Peter 3,20-21)
---Ruben on 6/20/09


Valerie~ It is not necessary to get so upset, we are merely having a discussion. Not only Catholics baptize infants, but many Protestants do too...so I am not just speaking of Catholics.

Valerie, I was 'baptized' as an infant too in my Methodist Church. Now...to baptize as a form of dedication I believe might be fine, but I do not believe that infant baptism has any spiritual cleansing affects on a baby.

Later in life, I heard the message of salvation and lived for the Lord. At that point I got baptized by immersion as a sign of my new walk with the Lord. I believe that is a symbol of our newness, but that water baptism does not actually 'save.'
---Anne on 6/20/09


Infant Baptism is Strange?
You deny WORKING for salvation, but boost on finding Jesus?

A baby can't do anything. Jesus is doing the saving not us.
A baby can't boost on finding Jesus'.
Nor boost on efforts of being saved.

You think you accepted Jesus because of words said by you?
Jesus found you FIRST!
Jesus Saved you not by your own merits of words. Or because you DECIDED to be Saved.
You have turned everything upside down. You didn't find Jesus. Jesus had His eye on you the first moment you existed.

Jesus Saved me. No merit, effort, word or strength by me.
Only by the MERCY OF GOD.
I CAN'T BOOST. I didn't do any work to be SAVED.
My work is to MAINTAIN my Salvation, not OBTAIN it.
---Valerie on 6/20/09


Luke 2:52 "And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man." We should ask ourselves, why are children kept back from Him (Matthew 19:14)? Why are they stunted in their growth? What it means to be born (Again) of water and of Spirit if not to grow "in favour with God and man."? Isaiah 54:13-17.
Water, get right with man, grow in the righteousness that God has declared should be between man. (not love them as yourself, for your idea of love may be twisted...)
Spirit, get right with God, grow in Spirit and truth. John 4:24: "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
---Nana on 6/19/09


Ruben~ Not to argue, but baptism by water, is not the same meaning as 'born-again.' When Catholic churches and some Protestant churches teach this, this is highly deceptive. It makes people believe they are saved merely by doing a work. This is not what scripture teaches.

When Jesus said for the little children to come to Him, he did not say the babies needed to be baptized.

Works like circumcision and water baptism do not save us. Water baptism should only be done after a person is now living for the Lord and no longer in darkness/sin/old ways as a symbol of our newness in the Lord (being born-again).
---Anne on 6/19/09


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Could it be that both Catholics and Protestants are wrong about almost everything?
---eric1968 on 6/19/09


How could the Catholic Church teach such a strange doctrine as "being born-again at infant baptism?"

---Anne on 6/19/09

First of all Jesus himself said :

"Let the children be, do not keep them back from me, the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to such as these." (Matthew 19:14)

And Peter said :

"'Repent and be Baptized, For the promise is made to you and to YOUR CHILDREN " (Acts 2:37-39)

And then Paul tell us that circumcised is replaced by baptism! (Colossians 2:11-12)

As you recall infants were circumcised 8 days after birth!
---Ruben on 6/19/09


ruben. I can tell you the truth if you wish to hear it.Faith is important ,and the word, or bible for teaching.But salvation comes through repenting of sin, and believing in JESUS CHRIST. This is the truth,aka the good news,that God has sent his son to die in our place so that we can be saved,that we are made righteous, cleansed by his death on the cross, and are now able to come boldly before God throne thru jesus. This is it brother.Jesus is the word,the truth,the life.
---tom2 on 6/19/09


How could the Catholic Church teach such a strange doctrine as "being born-again at infant baptism?"

To be born again as the Lord Jesus and Peter mention (John 3:3-7, I Pet 1:23) occurs when a person repents of their sins and places all 100% of their trust in Jesus for their salvation.

This is not what any baby can do.

Also...if later in life that person who was baptized as a baby and claims he was 'born-again' at his baptism, then later turns out to be a person who has evil desires, worldly lusts etc...how can he honestly say he was 'born-again?'

Jesus taught us 'Not all who say 'Lord,Lord' enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father."
---Anne on 6/19/09


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How could the Catholic Church teach such a strange doctrine as "being born-again at infant baptism?"

To be born again as the Lord Jesus and Peter mention (John 3:3-7, I Pet 1:23) occurs when a person repents of their sins and places all 100% of their trust in Jesus for their salvation.

This is not what any baby can do.

Jesus taught us 'Not all who say 'Lord,Lord' enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father."

Beware of not only the Catholic Church, but of most all churches in this day. Seek God's word above all.
---Anne on 6/19/09


SAMUEL: I believe that there will be "saved "people from the Catholi faith, peopel who have lived up to all the light they received while living on earth.
But I also know that the gospel is being preached with a new emphasis on accepting or rejecting the mark of the beast, and soon we who are alive will all have to make a choice for God and the truth or the lies of the beast.
---Pierr5358 on 6/19/09


---Pharisee what you have written is very true.
And of course this verse is true.
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."
Galatians 1:8
The principal task of the Roman Catholic Church is to keep their people blinded!!!
And they're doing a very good job.
---mima on 6/19/09


Mima you believe in the gospel of OSAS which is not in scripture..period and Pharisee you believe in Faith Alone and Bible Alone, now tell me again who is really preaching a false gospel?
---Ruben on 6/19/09


But if Both do just as you say but have different interpretation again who is right?
Ruben

Not possilbe. To have differnent interpretation one must ignore something. Unless the Bible does not give an answer. Speculation can differ with no problem.


---Samuel on 6/19/09

Again who determines the one who ignore something?

If the Bible does not give an answer, then why do you believe the Bible is the only sole authorithy? So those who do not believe in the Trinity or Sabbath Worship have no problem, right? Just curious give me an example where the Bible gives no answer on a doctrine issue?
---Ruben on 6/19/09


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I believe that EVERY church has some "good" points and some "bad" points. Just like each and every one of us people. People are what make up a church. Not a building, traditions, specific leaders, etc.

It seems that almost every church, including the RCC, has some folks who are truly Christians, and others who are very questionable. Only God can truly judge each person's heart.

I find it very strange that some of the seemingly strongest churches are either reluctant, afraid, or whatever, to preach and teach about the very things that are ruining our nation. The United States of America. Come Lord Jesus Come!

---Sag on 6/19/09


Jerry, thank you for your common sense and biblical wisdom. Have a great weekend as you attend worship services.


Be freinds of all who are friends of Christ.
---larry on 6/19/09


---Pharisee what you have written is very true.
And of course this verse is true.
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."
Galatians 1:8
The principal task of the Roman Catholic Church is to keep their people blinded!!!
And they're doing a very good job.
---mima on 6/19/09


Fortunately, we are not saved or lost depending on which church we attend, or according to the pronouncements of any man. There is no such thing as "salvation by denomination." Many Catholics are sincere, Jesus-loving Christians, and many protestants are not. But, it is not our job to separate the sheep from the goats or the wheat from the tares. It is God's job, and He will do it perfectly - based on a righteous judgement, and not on the bigotry of religiosity.
---jerry6593 on 6/19/09


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Steveng ... Whatever the rights and wrongs your misgivings about Christians' tendencies to congregate together in denominations, you are wrong to call all denominations "cults"

I suggest yuo look in the dictionary. Only a few denominations exhibit the attributes of a cult.

Unless of course you take one of the definitions: "a system of religious devotion directed towards a particular figure or object" as referring to Jesus ... in which case all Christians, including you, belong to the same cult
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/19/09


interesting topic
noone can say one denomination or the other's doomed to hell... but sincerely we can say that being at one place does more good than being at some other place...
it is easier to pass your exams while attending a good school than it is while attending a mushroom school.

so being where tradition is not unnecesarily mixed up with christianity is best

where Christ and the Trinity alone is celebrated..not saints and the like

so lets just say that RCC does a little by pointing to the saviour.. but i'll rather be where the power of God is actively at work and is allowed enough room

being a catholic does not mean one is doomed... it means one has more false doctines to contend with...or so i think
---patience on 6/19/09


Samuel
But yet you believe that the Bible is the sole authorithy in faith and morals.

You believe that Saturday is the day of worship and sunday is the mark of the beast!Ruben

Yes the bible is the rule of faith. When a person is convicted by the HOLY SPIRIT they will respond. No Sunday is not the mark of the beast until it is forced on everyone by the law.

Samuel

But if Both do just as you say but have different interpretation again who is right?
Ruben

Not possilbe. To have differnent interpretation one must ignore something. Unless the Bible does not give an answer. Speculation can differ with no problem.

Correct but having Statue is not!
Ruben
Correct
---Samuel on 6/19/09


How can the Catholic church teach another gospel (Mary a co-redeemer with Christ, and that salvation is through the observance of sacraments and still be a Christian church?
Pharisee on 6/18/09

Don't worry we will be easy on you! First about co-redeemer: "CO" is from the latin word cum which mean "with" so the word means Mary is the woman with the redeemer(Gal 4:4). She was with Jesus from the begining(birth of Jesus) to the moment of His Ascension, and is now with Him forever. Now about the sacraments, I will touch on just one of them Jhn 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.(Baptism)
---Ruben on 6/18/09


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When your cousin prays to the saints, she does not thereby worship them. Your cousin worships God alone. She is asking the saints for intercession like you would ask your best friend to pray for you. This is the kind of Christian living that Jesus desires of all Christians. It fosters holy living. When Christians die, they can still pray for us on Earth much like we can pray for each other right now. This is the communion of saints. It's a marvelous reality that has been lost since Luther watered down the faith for so many of his followers. This communion of Saints in Heaven and Earth will continue until the Second Coming. Afte that, we will either be united with God and the saints in Heaven, or in Hell along with the demons.
---Victor on 6/19/09


God did not have to bring His son into the world through a virgin, but He chose to do it that way. He could have led the Wise Men to find His infant Son sort of like Super Man was found. Jesus didn't have to form in the womb and be born of a woman. But He was, and that speaks volumes about the importance of humans to bring Christ to others. Mary is at the helm. She's only human. Catholics do not worship her. They only honor her as we honor good people. She is Christ's mother. She is the co-redemptrix as are all saints to some degree. A good pastor is a co-redeptor in as much as he cooperates with God's grace to bring salvation to sinners. We are in a sense God's hands, eyes, ears and lips if we allow him to work through us.
---Victor on 6/19/09


Pharisee~ Thanks for all that information. What you said was information I only heard about, but did not know they were actual facts of the Catholic Church.

I don't think you should get 'mowed down'/persecuted for sharing actual facts. These are things all people should know so that they can be more aware about what various religions teach and be more on guard. Thanks again for sharing.
---Anne on 6/18/09


Do you agree with the moderator's above statement? Do you have any additional comments to share concerning the moderator's statement?

Do you agree with my statement in parenthesis? Any additional comments? Thanks.
---Anne on 6/18/09

Yes, I agree with both statements!
---Ruben on 6/18/09


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"I stand opposed to what I've been taught my whole life..."
That is quite a mouthful! What about honor your father and your mother? "My family entangled...". What an oddball name , Smock! There were some 'oddball' people whom God loved for their obedience to the family values and tradition. Jeremiah 35:1-19.
" I need no saints for my prayers to intercede"
Job 42:7-10.
---Nana on 6/18/09


P.S. I have heard that Catholics believe that they get 'born-again' at baptism. Is this really true that many Catholics believe this?
---Anne on 6/18/09


Anne it is not so much of what catholic believe in, it is we believe that Jesus himself said we must be born-again in baptism! Besides Catholic's are not the only ones who believe in that doctrine there are some Protestant's who as well!
---Ruben on 6/18/09


OK, I want to say what I need to say without being mowed down for it. How can the Catholic church teach another gospel (Mary a co-redeemer with Christ, it's in your catechism) and that salvation is through the observance of sacraments (also in the catechism) and still be a Christian church?

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:8

Clearly the Bible teaches salvation by grace through faith, and that Christ alone is the mediator between God and man. How can you not say that church is not accursed when they have another gospel? Only in the past century had they come out and accepted protestants as Brothers.
---Pharisee on 6/18/09


I was raised in the Catholic Church and even at a young age I just did not feel right about their doctrines.

It always bothered me when I went to confession and a mere man was telling me that my sins would be forgiven. I always felt that God is the only one that can say my sins are forgiven.

I always felt that I should be praying to God and God alone. I have a cousin, who is a devout Catholic, and, it bothers me when she says she prays to Saint Theresa or some other saint when she should be praying to the Lord and He alone.

I'm not saying that she is going to go to Hell, because only God can say who will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. We will have to account for everything we have said or done.
---Norma on 6/18/09


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Denominational churches, including RCC, are cults in and of themselves having their own traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the bible. It's the biggest delusion that even the elite can be fooled into beleiving that you must belong to a denominational church.

Church is simply people, christians, who have an intimate personal relationship with God. Chrisitans don't need to belong to a denomination.

Moderator: some people in the Wicca cult claim to be christian, also. does that make them christians?

Besides, if you dan't make it in the first resurrection, maybe you have a chance in the second resurrection.
---Steveng on 6/18/09


I am directing this question to Protestants and Catholics alike:

I would say I've known quite a fair amount of Catholics. (Of course not nearly as many as Ruben, Valerie etc) However, the Catholics I have met did not seem to show an enthusiastic zealousness for searching the word of God, and making sure they were living in accordance to His word. The ones I've met seemed more concerned about doing the works that the priests/pope/leaders of the Catholic Church required, more than searching their Bibles diligently to see if it was truly what the Lord desired.

Have any of you had similar experiences in this area as myself? (my goal is to understand others thoughts on this subject, not to offend.)
---Anne on 6/18/09


Valerie~ Ruben does not take things personally, but answers me openly and honestly according to how he thinks. I don't think Ruben minds explaining his thoughts. I would ask him privately so as not to possibly offend you or others, but I do not have that option available. Thanks for your understanding.
---Anne on 6/18/09


Ruben~ Thanks for your answers and for not taking what I asked personally.

I understand what you're saying, but I feel that these young adults feel highly uncomfortable with their Catholic upbringing. I think they seem to know the need to move their spiritual understanding in a different direction.

Thanks again for sharing your thoughts though.

P.S. I have heard that Catholics believe that they get 'born-again' at baptism. Is this really true that many Catholics believe this?
---Anne on 6/18/09


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Ruben~ When the moderator wrote: "Some Catholics are Christians and some Catholics are not Christians. The bottomline for any person becoming a Christian is whether or not they have accepted Jesus Christ into their life."

(I believe the moderator is referring to the fact that a true Christian should in all honesty be someone who sincerely loves the Lord Jesus, and follows Him, abides in Him, lives for Him, and obeys Him. A true Christian forsakes ways of darkness and lives in the Light)

Do you agree with the moderator's above statement? Do you have any additional comments to share concerning the moderator's statement?

Do you agree with my statement in parenthesis? Any additional comments? Thanks.
---Anne on 6/18/09


Anne* Ruben~ The following lyrics were written by some young adults raised Catholic and they have strong doubts about that religion. Please express what you would say to these young adults. Thanks.


Bottom line Anne, I would like to show them what the Church teaches about works and faith, traditions is not a bad thing. Having saints intercede for you is very good! And that Jesus left us the sacraments 7 of them: All biblical
Baptism
Eucharist
Confession
Confirmation
Permanence of Matrimony
Anointing of the Sick
---Ruben on 6/18/09


Anne * Please express what you would say to these young adults. Thanks.


"I stand opposed to what I've been taught my whole life..

Which means I did not understand what I was been taught!

* followed traditions of man

2 Thessalonians 2:15:
"Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."


my creed- not saved by works, but by grace alone.

If you are saying works play no part, then you are going against scripture:

Romans 2:6 "Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

James 2:24 "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."
---Ruben on 6/18/09


Ruben since he's not only knowledgeable about the Catholic religion, but knowledgeable about the Bible as well.---Anne

You can praise Ruben and rightfully so for his knowledge. But, you can ask and praise him without insulting or putting down others.

You seem to believe that Catholics know more about their faith than the Bible.
That is your beliefs not a true fact about Catholics.

Just because a person can't quote chapter and verse doesn't mean he doesn't know the Gospel. We study the Bible not memorize it.

You seem shock to see a Catholic know his faith and Bible - why?
Instead of thinking Ruben is one of a kind, why not think you just don't know many Catholics?
No hard feeling. Take care as well.
---Valerie on 6/18/09


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Trish9863:

My maternal grandmother was conceived, and born, out-of-wedlock. To made things worse, the mother had to leave home and find a job to support herself and the baby. The family was just too poor to help out. The mother and father eventually got married, but the marriage ended after a few years.

After learning what my grandmother went through, I can see WHY my family has always been a supporter of God's plans for marriage and the family:

NO sexual relations before marriage.

NO sexual relations outside of marriage.

NO babies outside of marriage.

NO divorce. Marriage until "death does us apart".

Very "old" rules that have a very good purpose.
---Sag on 6/18/09


Samuel * First no one is saved by correct doctrine.

But yet you believe that the Bible is the sole authorithy in faith and morals.

You believe that Saturday is the day of worship and sunday is the mark of the beast!

Samuel * To have a correct interpretaion all verse on the topic must be considered. All interpretaions on each of the verses must be consistent with the verses taken in context

But if Both do just as you say but have different interpretation again who is right?

Samuel * Example. Graven Images cannot be used for worship purposes. No scripture allows this.

Correct but having Statue is not!
Ark of the Covenant
Statue that Solomon built for God
Pole of Moses in the desert.
---Ruben on 6/18/09


Trish9863:

The fact that you disliked my comments about a child being conceived out-of-wedlock points to one thing: you are still haunted by the sin that you and your boyfriend committed. God forgives our sin. However, the consequences of that sin can continue to haunt us.

In the Bible, Ishmael was a child who was conceived out-of-wedlock. Sure, he was a gift from God. It is just that he was "born of the flesh". God sent an angel to Hagar to inform her that the child would be a "wildman".

I'm glad to hear that your child didn't end up like Ishmael. God can work miracles in people's lives.
---Sag on 6/18/09


Ruben~ The following lyrics were written by some young adults raised Catholic and they have strong doubts about that religion. Please express what you would say to these young adults. Thanks.


"I stand opposed to what I've been taught my whole life...
My family entangled by the church of Rome,
followed traditions of man
never followed my own...
my creed- not saved by works, but by grace alone.

No pope, priest, or cardinal over me
I need no saints for my prayers to intercede
I call no one father except the One true God-
Christ is my mediator, I will repent to Him alone
confused by hail marys - confessions to a man
faith drowned in 'holy' water,
Christ reduced to sacraments..."
---Anne on 6/18/09


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Samuel, question for you! What happens when two have different interpretation of a scripture verse both using the bible, who is right and why? Ruben

First no one is saved by correct doctrine. We are saved by Grace alone.

To have a correct interpretaion all verse on the topic must be considered. All interpretaions on each of the verses must be consistent with the verses taken in context of the passage they are in and in accordance with the laws and character of GOD throughout scripture.

Example. Graven Images cannot be used for worship purposes. No scripture allows this.
---Samuel on 6/18/09


If they are lost they will be doomed to hell, yes. I know many catholics and love them dearly, but most believe if they do their sacraments, ask forgiveness from a priest and attend mass weekly -- they are assured heaven. When asked if they have asked God into their hearts and such -- they look at me like I have 3 heads! They tell me that was done for them an infants in baptism. It is sad how so many are so lost.
---Debbie on 6/18/09


Sag: Your comments about the child born out of wedlock just sickened me. My daughter was conceived out of wedlock, and I married her father. After 25 years of marriage, we are divorced. My daughter is the only one of my three children who have a solid walk with the Lord. She is married to a Christian man and is raising my grandchildren to love Jesus.

Strangely enough, while my husband and I were married, we were active in our church, and had family devotions. Yet, since our divorce, he does not attend church. My sons have followed the same path.
---Trish9863 on 6/17/09


one comment. knowing the bible back to front means nothing,just as the jewish leaders who crucified jesus knew it. whats important is living it as jesus said we should.
---tom2 on 6/18/09


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Ruben~ Thanks for your polite answers and for sharing all your thoughts.

Valerie~ I wasn't trying to be judgmental. I like Ruben's sincerity, and the way he answers questions. I asked him some honest straight-forward questions, and he gave me some honest straight-forward answers. I figure if I want some straight answers about how a Catholic feels about his faith, I'd rather talk to Ruben since he's not only knowledgeable about the Catholic religion, but knowledgeable about the Bible as well. I believe God knows the heart of each and every individual. Not all Protestants are sincere Christians, and not all Catholics are either. Just wanted some viewpoints. Take care.
---Anne on 6/17/09


I think that Brother Jed and Sister Cindy are probably hurting from the "moral failure" in their family. I checked their blog. Maybe God wanted them to talk to me because I posted a question about that "moral failure" in another blog question.

Their daughter Justina had a baby out-of-wedlock. Justina and her boyfriend got married, repented, and are now part of the Smock family again. May God continue to work in their family.

I feel bad for Brother Jed and Sister Cindy, and the Smock family. I really do. Their new grandchild is going to live with the effects of it's un-Godly conception and birth for the rest of it's life.
---Sag on 6/17/09


jesus spoke to nicodemus about being born again,born of the spirit.If you are not born again then yes your doomed.being born again means believing in and accepting who jesus is,and why he came,it means knowing that you are a sinner in need of his sacrafice,and repenting.
---tom2 on 6/17/09


Ruben~ Do many others of the Catholic faith that you know, know the Bible as well as you do? You seem very very knowledgeable of a great deal of the Bible,

---Anne on 6/17/09

Anne let me make myself clearer, I try to learn the Bible to best of my ability, I do not know of anyone who knows the Bible from front to back, having said that I do know very clearly my Catholic Faith. It is really very easy to answer all accusation of the Catholic Faith using the Bible, the problem is always my interpretation of scriprture is wrong while theirs is always right, scratching my head!
---Ruben on 6/17/09


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No, Catholic are not going to hell anymore than Baptists.
The final codition/destination of someone depends on that person's acceptance or rejection of Gd's grace.
In addition it is good to remember that salvation is an individual experience, we are not saved by "groups".
---Pierr5358 on 6/17/09


So you can be a member of the Roman Catholic Church and be a Christian. But as Christians we should seek truth. Truth is found above all else in the bible. Do you read and study your bible? Do you have a relationship with JESUS where you spend time with him in prayer. Talking to JESUS as your friend.
---Samuel on 6/17/09


Samuel, question for you! What happens when two have different interpretation of a scripture verse both using the bible, who is right and why? And as for your questions Yes and Yes!
---Ruben on 6/17/09


Ruben
I too share interest in Anne's question. Your knowledge makes me wonder sometime if you're just putting us on.
---mima on 6/17/09

And this is from someone who ask this question: Go figure!

A 20 year old Catholic said that he had said the Rotary at least a thousand times. Now I ask you does this verse apply to him? Matthew 6:7,
"7-But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking."

Knowing or should had known that Psalm 136 and the Book of Revelation has repetition prayers it was no need to ask at all.But until you take off your anti-catholic glasses ....
---Ruben on 6/17/09


Ruben
I too share interest in Anne's question. Your knowledge makes me wonder sometime if you're just putting us on.
---mima on 6/17/09


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Ruben~ Do many others of the Catholic faith that you know, know the Bible as well as you do? You seem very very knowledgeable of a great deal of the Bible, and I think you're the only Catholic I ever 'met' who was really and truly enthusiastic and zealous for God's word. You seem sort of like a 'diamond in the rough' in the Catholic church....one of the unique few.

---Anne on 6/17/09

Thank you Anne and Thanks for asking! Yes there are many many more Catholic's who would die for God's word. I will admit though that we might had started late for many reasons, just look at how many ex-catholic here at this blog who left for not understanding the catholic faith!
---Ruben on 6/17/09


Anne* Do you try and encourage other Catholics to seek out God's word zealously as well?

Yes, all day long!

Anne * Do you think a great deal of Catholics are trying to 'work' for their salvation (through doing various rituals, etc),

No, not at all, the only working we do is what Paul tell us in Phil 2:12 " work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." "with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2)


Anne *or do you believe a fair amount of Catholics have a sincere personal relationship with God and earnestly live for the Lord?

Yes I do, especially every time we go to Mass, we received him body, soul and divinity!(JOHN 6:52-55)
---Ruben on 6/17/09


Do many others of the Catholic faith that you know, know the Bible as well as you do? You seem very very knowledgeable of a great deal of the Bible,..You seem sort of like a 'diamond in the rough' in the Catholic church..one of the unique few.--Anne

Judging Anne? Matthew 7:1 Shock because I know that verse?
Do you know all 1 billion Catholics to make that statement?

Ruben knows God's Words, because the Bible is read to US every Sunday.
Chapters, not just a verse. Old and New Testment.
Before you judge Catholics, you need to go to a Mass first. Then you would not ask such a question as you did.

Thats like me asking you, does Protestants sing hymn songs as you?
If I went to a Protestant service, I WOULD KNOW.
---Valerie on 6/17/09


Ruben~ Do many others of the Catholic faith that you know, know the Bible as well as you do? You seem very very knowledgeable of a great deal of the Bible, and I think you're the only Catholic I ever 'met' who was really and truly enthusiastic and zealous for God's word. You seem sort of like a 'diamond in the rough' in the Catholic church....one of the unique few.

Do you try and encourage other Catholics to seek out God's word zealously as well? Do you think a great deal of Catholics are trying to 'work' for their salvation (through doing various rituals, etc), or do you believe a fair amount of Catholics have a sincere personal relationship with God and earnestly live for the Lord?
---Anne on 6/17/09


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A 20 year old Catholic said that he had said the Rotary at least a thousand times. Now I ask you does this verse apply to him? Matthew 6:7,
"7-But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking."
---mima on 6/17/09

No, but it sounds like this verse:

Rev 4:8 "and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Or Psalm 136:
1O give thanks unto the LORD, for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.

2O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever.

3O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever.
---Ruben on 6/17/09


In every church there are Christians and non Christians. JESUS called them Wheat and tares. Matthew 13:25-30

So you can be a member of the Roman Catholic Church and be a Christian. But as Christians we should seek truth. Truth is found above all else in the bible. Do you read and study your bible? Do you have a relationship with JESUS where you spend time with him in prayer. Talking to JESUS as your friend.
---Samuel on 6/17/09


Christians must guard their beliefs. But the RCC will constantly bombard young minds with ritual, traditions, and outright lies, all this of course makes it very difficult for a Roman Catholic to see themselves as lost and in need of a savior. Any practicing Catholic can point to many many things they have done. A 20 year old Catholic said that he had said the Rotary at least a thousand times. Now I ask you does this verse apply to him? Matthew 6:7,
"7-But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking."
---mima on 6/17/09


Sag, why are you asking Protestants?

That's like asking a skin doctor if you had a heart attack or not?
Wouldn't you ask a heart doctor about your heart?
Only show your rash to the skin doctor.

Those folks can't read your heart.
If you die in mortal sin, you will go to hell.

If you are baptized in the Trinity's Name as Jesus ordered in Matthew 28, and asked Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins.
You are going to Heaven.

Remember, Jesus died for your sins.
Not Brother Smock or Sister Cindy.
Paul warned us against false prophets like them.
---Valerie on 6/16/09


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23 And (they who abolished the Torah and taught a lie) changed the glory of the incorruptible YHVH into an image made like to corruptible man (an image of The Messiah that is a false image, the Messiah came IN THE FLESH and DIED, he was corruptible man, made incorruptible upon resurrection from the dead)

Yes, we have changed YHVH into an IMAGE OF A MAN... They began worshipping the creature (an image of man, Jesus) instead of the Creator YHVH
---wayne on 6/17/09


Sag, if all Catholics are doomed to hell, then just about every Christian living in western Europe went to hell before Luther came on the scene.
---eric1968 on 6/17/09


To go on from what Mod says, many "Christians" are not real Christians.
---alan8566_of_UK on 6/16/09


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