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America's Prison System

I don't have any desire to help with the jail ministries. In the USA, we have the largest prison population in the world. These days, many USA prisoners are under-age or juveniles. I think that our jails are a "reflection" of how much American society has failed it's children. Comments?

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If you say so Donna. Take care, God bless! :)
---Leon on 9/4/09

but I've never heard of anyone who aspires to be a prison guard because of their great wealth).
---Donna66 on 9/4/09

Probably not...just lawyers and politicians.
---NurseRobert on 9/4/09

Leon -- You are ahead of me! You answer my posts before I even get them posted!:)

Privately run prison facilities generally save the state (taxpayors) money because they operate more efficiently.(there are bad apples in any barrel)
Often the state can't keep up with the growing prison population.(Why, is another topic) Money is not evil. Profit is not is necessary for people to live.
Only the LOVE of money is evil.
---Donna66 on 9/4/09

It may be a reflection of how much PARENTS have failed children in addition to the prophecy of a general falling away of the faithful and relationship between parents and kids in general.
When it gets to the point where couples proudly say they would rather have pets than kids its sad.
Children are a gift from God.
---larry on 9/4/09

Leon -- Unfortunately (rather fortunately) I have no personal experience with bail.The bonding company is actually who puts up the money. Agents (my reasearch tells me) are usually paid on a wage/salary basis.

A bail bond is a loan. Do the math. If you loan someone $100 and they pay you back $10...have you MADE money? If you loan $100 each to 10 people who each pay you $10 dollars have you MADE money.? If all ten pay you back $100 each, Have you made money? NO.
You are just where you before you loaned any money. That's why bailbonsmen charge interest. (which they may or may not get) or take collateral which may or may not be worth enough to pay off the loan.
---Donna66 on 9/4/09

Donna: Please, let's keep it in perspective. When I said "mega money making industries", I wasn't talking about individual blue collar employees like prison guards. I was talking about corporate, "for profit" entities like NurseRobert mentioned. It's a very lucrative enterprise -- a sho' nuff money tree. All that's required to keep the cash flowing is an enormous, never ending, ever growing, prison population -- PRISONERS!!! :)
---Leon on 9/4/09

"...they [bail bondsmen]...take great financial risk. They may easily be on the edge of poverty if some of their bail money is not re-paid." Donna, 9/4

Not so Donna. First, bail bondsmen require payment of at least 10% of the bail amount as a nonrefundable "upfront" fee even if the defendant shows for trial as scheduled. Do the math on 10 such defendants in a week, each paying a 10% $5,000 fee. KA-CHING, KA-CHING!!!

Second, if the defendant doesn't show for trial, bail bondsmen are protected "upfront" by requiring the defendant to give them a tangible security, e.g., registration of a valuable car, placing a lien on the defendant's home, etc. It's a win, win for bail bondsmen! :)
---Leon on 9/4/09

NurseRobert -- Yes that's true... if you are talking about prison guards. But since a "for profit" organization needs to make a profit, I doubt the guards they hire are making MEGA MONEY either. (naturally pay is relative.. but I've never heard of anyone who aspires to be a prison guard because of their great wealth).
---Donna66 on 9/4/09

Okay Donna: Admittedly, I was a bit hasty lumping law enforcement people with the lawyer & the bail bondsman industries. :) I believe there are mostly very good law enforcement agancies nationwide that are dedicated to protecting & serving "we the people". I applaud them!!!

However, there are a few cops who aggresively MAKE MERCHANDISE OF all suspects/alleged law breakers to get personal recognition that may lead to departmental promotion(s), prestige & power. Their "INDUSTRY" is their ambition & perseverance TO GET WHAT THEY WANT NO MATTER THE COST TO OTHERS. Does that make them bad cops? At the least, I think it makes them very dangerous to "we the people"!
---Leon on 9/4/09

Leon-- Why? Because law enforcement personnel are not an "industry" (since they produce nothing). They are paid a very moderate..if not low.. wage set by their local (state, county, city) government or voted by local citizens.
---Donna66 on 9/4/09

Not necessarily true, Donna. Many states are
"privatizing" their prisons and farming them out to private companies to run, for a profit of course.
---NurseRobert on 9/4/09

Leon-- Why? Because law enforcement personnel are not an "industry" (since they produce nothing). They are paid a very moderate..if not low.. wage set by their local (state, county, city) government or voted by local citizens.

Bail Bondsmen, may or may not be wealthy. They are self-employed and take great financial risk. They may easily be living on the edge of poverty if some of their bail money is not re-paid.

Yes, lawyers command high prices for their services and are mostly well of.
Law enforcement officers and bail-bondsmen have probably envied them fairly often.
---Donna66 on 9/4/09

Why Donna? Please explain. :)
---Leon on 9/3/09

Leon -- You include LAW ENFORCEMENT personnel and bail-bondsmen along with Lawyers, as MEGA MONEY MAKING industries? If any of them are reading this, I'll bet they are holding their sides in laughter.
---Donna66 on 9/3/09

The U.S. prison & judiciary (lawyers, bailbonds men, law enforcement) systems are greedy*, mega money making industries that "prey" mostly upon our society's "set up to fail", disenfranchised (arrested developmentally) minority population. The prison system sub-culture (HELL), by 'n' large, turns out petty criminals & makes them into major criminals (repeat violators) as it processes (regurgitates) them, for many years, over 'n' over again.

To run afoul of the law, even for a minor infraction, can have life threatening consequences, on may levels, once the system takes control of your life.

*"For the love of money is the root of all evil..."
---Leon on 9/3/09

You certainly do paint "business" with a broad brush! The evil that you talk about DOES occur. It occurs in every industry... but not in every office of every business. . It may be hard sometimes for a Christian to find a place in business, but it's not impossible.

The business world is a great place to be salt and light where it is sorely needed. Even non-believing people appreciate integrity and it's possible to keep yours anywhere! You are not serving "mammon" or money to be in business. It's a legitimate way to support yourself. And there are some very successful Christian businesses, as well, that give generously to Christian causes.
---Donna66 on 7/26/09

Satan has real power over your child. If your child desires a career in the corporate world, then your child will be owned by Satan. No ifs ands or buts. Most women I met in the corporate world had to commit major sins to get ahead. Most men and women have to lie on a daily basis to keep their corporate jobs. Tell me a 75k plus job in the corporate world and I'll tell you the sins. Yes Jesus saves you, but you are to stop sinning. You can't go back to the sinful ways. And the consequence for being honest and speaking the Truth is that Satan fires you. The lesson is to stop seeking a business life if you want to be a Christian. Otherwise, you're going directly against the teachings of Jesus. You can't serve God and mammon (wealth).
---stephen on 7/22/09

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Yes, on this Father's Day, fathers need to reflect how important their role is within a family and if they do so America prisons will become less crowded.
---Ed on 6/21/09

"I don't have any desire to help with the jail ministries." Understandable, a man can only do for the kingdom that which the Father has placed in his heart and empowered him to do, any thing else would be pretentious and futile.

"I think that our jails are a "reflection" of how much American society has failed it's children. Comments?" Sad, but true. If only these words were heard, understood and adhered to by all, "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." Pro 22:6
---Josef on 6/22/09

tonne...How is it that the government cheats people out of their inheritance???
---SusieB on 6/18/09

I've heard this theory: To every effect there is a cause. Since there is a cause to actions and the person could not have made a different choice, they are not responsible for their actions, hence they should not be convicted of the crime in which they committed, So, there should be no prisons.
Sounds quite ludicrous to me.
---MIchael on 6/18/09

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First how can a government that cheats people out of their inheritances that are passed down from generation to generation be any better than a criminal. If the government steals from individuals then they themselves aren't setting a very good example either. 1 Cor. 15:45 The first Adam was made of the dirt and desired earthly things, that is the flesh. (The flesh is sinful). The second Adam became a life giving spirit and desired heavenly things. Its not that parents failed children, its written that people will be sinful. It's written.
---tonne on 6/17/09

---Sag your question addresses one of the great problems of American society. Prison ministry is very very fulfilling. Many times the thought comes to mind that the people in prison are there for the express purpose of hearing the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ!!!
---mima on 6/17/09

Sag, you are of course very right. Here in California the recidivism rate is about eighty percent. But it is also known that inmates who receive regular visits are 50-75% less likely to return to prison than those who don't.
---eric1968 on 6/17/09

My first teaching experience was in a youth detention center in Trenton, NJ. Those kids had no chance from day one in many cases. A lot of my students' parents were in prisons themselves. When I started teaching in Philadelphia a lot of my students were being raised by grandmother because Mom and/or Dad were strung out on drugs, or in prison. In my psych hospital job it is the same thing for a lot of the kids, the parents are a mess, so the kids are a mess.
---Trish9863 on 6/16/09

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Your response was encouraging. It helped "open my eyes" to the needs among the prison population.

I agree that many young people haven't had good parenting when they were younger. Many kids seem to think that causing trouble is just plain, old "having fun". Not if it involves injuring someone or damaging their property.
---Sag on 6/16/09

Matthew 25:34-46 sums it up nicely.
---pg1 on 6/16/09

It's not society which has failed. It is the parents who have failed. Broken homes because divorce is so acceptable. Couples living together without bothering to get married. Single mothers having multiple children with multiple men. We find inmates whose parents gave them everything and spared no expense giving them a sense of entitlement. They were never held accountable for their actions. Their parents wanted to be their friends. Life has become less valuable as abortion has been allowed. We have met many women who have multiple abortions as means of birth control and are now living with that guilt. We have also seen hundreds of inmates come to the Lord and turn their lives around. Many are preaching the gospel today.
---SusieB on 6/16/09

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