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Did Jesus drink alcoholic wine?

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Andy indeed some do encourage others to drink, however they don't do this for Biblical reasons. I have never seen a drinker on these pages encourage anyone to drink.

However the legalists here attempt to use Scripture to push their cultural view. They condemn drinkers.
---Warwick on 7/7/09


warwick, you are absolutely right, but what about the legalist drinkers? you have them as well, i ussually do not drink, however i get condemned more often by drinking christians then i can remember, there is even a brother i dare not to visit because he will offer me a drink, i will decline the alcoholic and he gets angry. every time i need to justifie my choice. it appears that really nobody can let the brother-sister in peace upon given subject, however Christianity should be the MOST tollerant religion in the world.
---andy3996 on 7/6/09


\\ "What do you think makes bread, kathr"

Its called leaven and incidentally it usually refers metaphorically to sin.

I am neither here nor there on this subject. I personally do not drink, but its not because I feel like I can't but I simply don't want to.
---Melanie on 6/22/09\\

Leaven is just a word for yeast. It's YEAST that makes grape juice into wine, flour into bread, bacteria (which is related) that makes sour cream and yogurt, and some yeasts are used to make vitamins and insulin.
---Cluny on 6/24/09


Very well put Glenn. I appreciated it. I choose to drink a little wine and of course don't suggest everyone should. I do however become a little annoyed with the legalists who try to forbid others.
---Warwick on 6/24/09


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Jesus made wine, John 2:3-11, "and his disciples believed on him." A wedding was a religious celebration. In verse 10, drunk means to be mildly intoxicated, as many verses prohibit drunkenness. Although, Romans 14:1-15:7 and 1Corinthians 8:3-13 predominately concerns meat sacrificed to Idols, and religious customs, we are to consider our weaker brother. However, a Christian may not break fellowship with his brother over the issue, Romans 14:1-12 (This says "doubtful disputations", or allows the one to drink, and the other to not drink.), Galatians 2:11-14, 4:9-10, Ephesians 4:1-3, Colossians 2:16-23. Also, to say that it wasn't alcohol because you are offended, does not change it to grape juice.


---Glenn on 6/23/09




2/2
Wine: H3196 yayin, G3631 oinos. It:
Was a curse to not be able to drink it, Isaiah 1:22, 24:11, Micah 6:15.
Was used in offerings, Exodus 29:40, Numbers 15:4-10.
Had medicinal uses, 2Samuel 16:2, Proverbs 31:6, 1Timothy 5:23.
Made glad, Psalm 104:15, Ecclesiastes 10:19.
Was a blessing, Genesis 14:18, Proverbs 9:2, 5, Ecclesiastes 9:7, Isaiah 25:6, 55:1, Amos 9:14, Zechariah 10:7, Matthew 26:29, John 2:3-11, 1Corinthians 10:16.
Drunkenness forbidden: Esther 1:10-12, Proverbs 20:1, 23:29-35, 31:4-5, Isaiah 5:11, 28:7, Hosea 4:11, Joel 3:3, Amos 6:6, Luke 21:34, Romans 13:13, Ephesians 5:18, 1Timothy 3:8, Titus 1:7.
Alcohol was forbidden Priests entering the tabernacle, Leviticus 10:9, and Nazarites, Numbers 6:3.
---Glenn on 6/23/09


"What do you think makes bread, kathr"

Its called leaven and incidentally it usually refers metaphorically to sin.

I am neither here nor there on this subject. I personally do not drink, but its not because I feel like I can't but I simply don't want to.
---Melanie on 6/22/09


So some people find an excuse to put a narcotic drug that is know to have delterious effects, cause death of others, and often leads to other sins.

I can see some saying just because you cannot stop with just a few that does not mean I cannot give my money and example to those who profit and lead others into sin.

After all we are not our brothers keeper our example means nothing. We are proud of how we handle this and think nothing of how it affects others.

Yes JESUS had that very attitude?

Or did He?
---Samuel on 6/22/09


Mar 7:15 there is nothing from without the man, that going into him can defile him, but the things which proceed out of the man are those that defile the man.
---john on 6/22/09


Of course he did. It was culturally acceptable to do so. Andy is right. If Jesus didn't, he would have been ridiculed for abstaining. He wasn't. The Bible mentions that John the Baptist abstained. Why? Because it was unusual not to drink alcohol. The Bible tells us not to get drunk. It doesn't say we can't have a drink.
---Vicki on 6/22/09




anyone ever noticed in the bible that Jesus confirmed drinking wine in the bible himself? so this is a non-question only to rouse an arguement.

jesus said "John did not drink or eat and they called him a demon-possesed", The son of man came "eating and drinking so they call me a glutton and a winebibber"....
---andy3996 on 6/22/09


...tee-totaller...that simply is not the case." Cluny, 6/21

A teetotaler is one who completely abstains from alcoholic beverages. I didn't say Jesus was a teetotaler. What do you mean Cluny?
---Leon on 6/21/09


\\He likely was talking, eating & slowly sipping one drink the whole time, i.e., socializing. No doubt he was offered more drink, but graciously declined.\\

You're clearly projecting an American evangelical tee-totaller view onto 1st century Jewish society that simply is not the case.
---Cluny on 6/21/09


Interesting question AG. I think, like Noah, Lot was drunk on wine.

"Also, consider how anyone could be called a winebibber that did not drink wine?" Mima, 6/17

Good point. Jesus drinking with "sinners" strongly indicates he wasn't drinking grape juice. He was drinking fermented "alcoholic" wine. Obviously, he didn't drink much because in all things Jesus was sinless. He likely was talking, eating & slowly sipping one drink the whole time, i.e., socializing. No doubt he was offered more drink, but graciously declined. If the party people were anything like I was when I drank alcohol, they wouldn't have trusted/felt comfortable around someone who didn't drink alcohol with them. Fact! :)
---Leon on 6/20/09


What was Lot drinking in the cave with his daughters?
---AG on 6/20/09


\\
so being called a winebibber doesn't mean HE took wine\\

Jesus Himself said in so many words, "The Son of Man came eating and drinking ....." And the context was how the same people accused John the Baptist of having a demon because he abstained from wine and fasted.

So Jesus's own words mean He did drink FERMENTED wine.

Deal with it!
---Cluny on 6/19/09


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Im not saying right nor wrong, left nor right, up nor down.
Look at these words, why, is it written? Judge not and be not judge!
Looks to me! Sin is in the knowledge of good and evil!
For on the day you eat of it. You become some kind of teacher.
And we did, so are we now teacher?

Yes, thats good! But, thats not. So, dont do that! Do this!
I say, stop. Let God tell you!

Only, this I know! When someone tells me, here is Christ or there is Christ! I will believe it not!
But behold the Lamb of God, which takes away the sins of the world!
Yes, sometimes! I dont even know, what Im saying!
God Bless you
---TheSeg on 6/19/09


What is the problem with Jesus drinking wine? What is the problem with drinking wine at all? Does it not say or relate in every verse on drinking "Be not drunk" because we give control over to the drink and not the Holy Spirit when we are drunk. But, if I drink and do not get drunk, there is no sin.

OTOH, your witness is important. If you are seen drinking by other believers and they stumble because of it, that is not good and you will be held accountable.

So err on the side of caution and do not drink at all. I cannot even tell you the last time I had a drink.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/19/09


While it is lawful to drink wine, it could be a stumbling block for others. In this case were are to refrain from doing what is lawful, and do that which is beneficial.
If I am having dinner with a brother or sister in the Lord, and I chose to have a glass of wine with dinner, it is not sin and is lawful for me to do so.
If however my brother or sister have a weakness for alcohol and my drinking that glass of wine causes them to stumble and fall into sin it is counted against me.
Matthew 18:6 but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin,[1] it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
---allan2777 on 6/19/09


"I would not say that a person who consumes just one glass of wine with a fine meal on occasion even has an "appetite" for wine. It is just a "Christian liberty"

This statement by ---obewan is very interesting in it mentions "Christian liberty" most Christians placing themselves under laws, traditions, and man-made conditions have no concept of the liberty that the Christian has in the Lord Jesus Christ.
---mima on 6/19/09


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Did Jesus drink alcoholic wine?
How would anyone know, if he did or didnt.
The lord, can pickup a glass of water and make it wine!

The better question is! Are you using your belief to make it a sin?
Is drinking alcohol a sin, I believe what, he said. If you want it to be, it is!
Make everything you want a sin, forget he came here to help you remove sin.

But, if you come to the door and it is closed, dont ask, why lord!
Turn around and ask, all the people, you closed the door on!
Funny are the things, you dont see!
May God bless you
---TheSeg on 6/19/09


No, I don't belive that Jesus drank alcoholic wine.
I believe this because He could not have lived an exemplary life going against His own word. The Bible tells us why we should be abstinent: it is dangerous to drink alcoholic drinks. EPH 5:18/Prov 31:4-5/Prov 23:20-21 and 29-35.
It does say that we should drink "new wine
found in the cluster" see Isa 65:8 because it is a blessing to man!
---Pierr5358 on 6/19/09


Jesus used the comparison of John the Baptist his cousin a Nazarene. That the religious leaders of the day would not accept a prophet sent of God whither he fasted or ministered to sinners. It was never about wine except excess. Now the wine represents our covenant with Christ. In remembrance until his coming.
---Don on 6/19/09


Patience, good answer.

You know, reading John 1, and ALL the attributes of Jesus Christ...God who became flesh and dwelt among us..etc....

Then to go to Chapter 2, and for those who believe Jesus now came to satisfy the APPETITES of our earthly fleshly desires and that that is ALL they can see in this passage is very SAD indeed.

We have Easu....who for one morstel of food...(wanting to fill his earthly appetite) sold his birth-right. Well, many know the end of that story.

Jesus did not come to satisfy our earthly appetites, or taste buds!
---kathr4453 on 6/19/09


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\\i wonder why new converts who used to be wine bibbers loose their appetite for alcohol when they get born again
is that any indication?\\

You can't compare someone who is an addict to someone who does not struggle or is not tempted to indulge to excess.

Some people get saved and give up overeating when they learn their body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.

I would not say that a person who consumes just one glass of wine with a fine meal on occasion even has an "appetite" for wine. It is just a "Christian liberty" they exercise at that time. They should in no way be classified as a drunkard or wine bibber as your comment suggests. I speak from my own experience.
---obewan on 6/19/09


\\i wonder why new converts who used to be wine bibbers loose their appetite for alcohol when they get born again
is that any indication?\\

No.

There's a story about a baseball nut who got born again and stopped even watching baseball on TV.

He overheard a couple of church members talk about going to a game.

He asked them, "How can you be a Christian and go to baseball games?"
---Cluny on 6/19/09


no... Jesus did not sin but was called a sinner and crucified for it

so being called a winebibber doesn't mean HE took wine

if you want to justify your drinking well...

"you have the Holy Spirit and He will teach you all things"

i wonder why new converts who used to be wine bibbers loose their appetite for alcohol when they get born again
is that any indication?
---patience on 6/19/09


***It's the same process--te-teeing in the flour! Cluny***

Leaven whether in bread or wine is a type of EVIL....

EVERYTHING Jesus did had a deeper spiritual meaning. He does not contradict Himself in action, by doing the complete opposite.

Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

---kathr4453 on 6/19/09


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Wine is wine. If the Bible says wine, it means wine, it does not mean something else. Since Jesus never sinned, and yet he drank wine, then drinking wine is not a sin. Now, drinking so much that our morals are weakened is a sin. Many people drink precisely for this very reason. So why did Jesus drink wine? Because he celebrated when it was time to celebrate, and he fasted when it was time to fast. So celebrate the good news Christians! Drink some beer or wine next Sunday with your pastor and celebrate Christ's triumph over sin!
---Victor on 6/19/09


YES WINE MAYBE BEER.READ PROVERBS 31
---MICHAEL on 6/18/09


For those who are interested,

I've made wine from grapes without ANY additives. My family made wine for generations, for their own consumption. Dego Red (we're Italian--so yes, I can say Dego or even Wop, legally.)

I've personally picked the grapes, crushed them in vats, retrenched the must, skimmed the must, filtered the fermented juice into sulfured barrels, and bottled & corked the aged wine.

One does not need anything other than grapes and containers to make wine... and some time to allow nature to take its course. Additives, such as yeasts, sugar, sodium metabisulfite (replaces sulfured barrels), etc, serve "commercial" purposes. like increasing the brix percentage or retarding color degradation, etc.
---BruceB on 6/18/09


\\Fermentation is the process of the yeast's excrement ...It's te-teeing in the juice. \\

What do you think makes bread, kathr?

It's the same process--te-teeing in the flour!

What do you think makes yogurt or sour cream?

Te-teeing in the milk products.

Now what?
---Cluny on 6/18/09


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Jim, I never said Jesus could not make wine.

But, were cigarettes made by Him and for Him? Or was that MAN's invention??

Fermentation is the process of the yeast's excrement ...It's te-teeing in the juice.

Now God created every living thing to be able to relieve itself...even of gas, if need be....but to say Jesus created the ability to toot for any other reason then RELIEF ..get out!!! A child might tell you it was for pleasure!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/18/09


Do you know how long it took to make jelly before "Instant Jello" was invented?

You had to boil down animal feet, and that alone took 9-12 hours.
---kathr4453 on 6/18/09


kathr...are you saying that Christ, who created all things in Heaven and on earth, for all things were created by Him and for Him could not make wine. Is this what you're saying?
How was the Heaven and earth made? Did it take time or was it spoken into existance?
---JIM on 6/18/09


Fresh pressed juice is called New wine because it has just begun the fermentation process. Which is why they were instructed to use new wine skins for it. Gases are created during the fermentation process that would cause the skin to expand and stretch. New wine put into an old skin could cause the skin to burst.
Like the rest of the ancient world, fermented wine was added to vessels of water before serving. The alcohol in the wine would purify the water by killing the germs.
The mix ratio depended on the maker, but usually it would be about 1 gal of wine to 20 gallons of water.
Wine could also be served straight, and averaged about 20% alcohol content,
(which is about what you get when you make it yourself from fresh grapes)
---allan2777 on 6/18/09


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So was the Miracle here INSTANT Jello!

Making Fermented Wine:

After you pick the grapes, you will need to crush them.

Then you need to make and add in the water/sugar/citrus juice mixture and let sit until it's room temperature. Then it's added to a bucket and combined with yeast and yeast nutrient. Let's say 4-5 hours for argument's sake. Then it's left for 6 days.

If the foam is forming on top on the 7th day, it is strained. The strained mixture is left to ferment for several months (anywhere between 3-12 months).

So there you go, after picking the grapes, it takes 6-12 months, plus 7 days.
---kathr4453 on 6/18/09


Kathr ... no I am not saying that! Man made wine is made as God allows us to make it, and needs some care.

But it does not need our action at all! Grapes in my garden ripen on the vine, and the birds eat them. Later in the season, the fermentation started by the time the birds eat tham, and the birds get a bit tipsy!

If those grapes are put in a container & kept covered, they will ferment into wine ...

Read also what the others here have said.

Jesus's action in making wine instantly was clearly not the natural process, which takes time, as does our own wine-making.
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/18/09


Kathr ... are you meaning that if wine is made by man, and does not naturally appear, (although as others here confirm, it does) it is ungodly?

What then would you say about canned foods? Fish frozen so they can be transported to the eaters? Water treatment worrks, to tske out the pollution? Cooked potatoes (poisonous if not cooked)?

Are those things ungodly?
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/18/09


But with proper care and hygeine, you get wine.
---alan8566_of_UK on 6/18/09

Alan, so are you saying it is the interference of MAN that we get wine? God didn't just automatically, without the interference of man, bring about wine?

---kathr4453 on 6/18/09


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\\ Grape Juice does not naturally ferment into wine. \\

Yes, it does.

Fresh squeezed grape juice will become either wine or vinegar. The yeast that ferments the juice into wine floats through the air and lands on the skins, though many wineries introduce their own preferred strains of yeast.

And it's a bacterium that makes wine vinegar.

Now, what you get from Welch's has been treated to various artificial processes.
---Cluny on 6/18/09


Samuel,

If you are using grapes which have not been irradiated or otherwise "sterilized" (or having had certain enzymes destroyed), they will naturally ferment into alcohol--first.

Vinegar is the result of the alcohol being broken down by additional fermentation of the "wine" upon being exposed to the atmosphere.
---BruceB on 6/18/09


According to the bible, alcoholic beverages were not only available thousands of years before Christ, but they were also POTENT. So potent in fact that after drinking some of the alcohol available in ancient times Lot committed INCEST with his own daughters unknowingly.

That's some powerful stuff!
---AG on 6/18/09


Samuel ... I made wine from grape juice with no problem. It is a natural process.

If you don't keep the fermenting liquid properly covered, bot air and the dreaded "vinegar fly" will get at it, and it will indeed change to vinegar.

But with proper care and hygeine, you get wine.
---alan8566_of_UK on 6/18/09


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Grape Juice does not naturally ferment into wine. My Dad made wine from Grape juice and you can go to a number of web sites on how to do this. Everyone that I have looked at warns that grape juice turns to vinegar not wine.

I have not read how alcholic they were since no one wants to drink vinegar.

The Jews and others tried to keep Grape juice from deteriating into vinegar. You do not have to believe me or my dad who on occasion got vinegar which he would yell about. Go and actually check it out.
---Samuel on 6/18/09


\\While this insults us today, the alcoholic content of their wine was very low and would have taken a LOT of wine to make you drunk. The wines were watered down to make "table" wine and would be used every day by all people, including Jesus. \\

There is a widespread myth, especially in tee-totaller circles, that "wine in Bible times wasn't as strong as wine today."

This is not true. Grape juice naturally ferments into wine until the alcohol level reaches 10-12%, and then the alcohol kills off the yeast. (The same thing happens in bread-baking. That rich, appetizing smell of baking bread is alcohol.)

OTOH, it is also true that wine was almost never served straight, but mixed with water.
---Cluny on 6/17/09


Ceremonial wines were different, their alcoholic content was very much like ours today. Mark Eaton can you show any scripture to back this up?
---kathr4453 on 6/17/09

John 2:10 "and said to him, "Every man serves the good wine first, and when the people have drunk freely, then he serves the poorer wine, but you have kept the good wine until now".

Common wisdom about the wine here is that the best tasting and highest "proof" wine would be served first and a lower "proof" wine would have been served after that.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/17/09


Gods command to a Levite, AKA: Priest who conducted the Ceremonial LAW!!!

Leviticus 10:9
Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:

Numbers 6:3
He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.

These would certainly describe WINE TODAY!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/17/09


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Ceremonial wines were different, their alcoholic content was very much like ours today.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/17/09

Mark-Eaton can you show any scripture to back this up?
---kathr4453 on 6/17/09


Jesus drank alcoholic wine. People even accused him of being a drunk. Matt.11:19.
---eric1968 on 6/17/09


Accordiong to the Bible he did. It was John the baptist who didn't.Luke 7:33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and ye say, He hath a devil.
Luk 7:34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking, and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
---john on 6/17/09


Yes.

When was the grape harvest? Around August.

When was Passover? Mid-March to mid-April.

Without refrigeration, pasteurization, or preservatives, grape juice will do one of two things: become wine, or become vinegar.

Natural processes that you can't stop.

Furthermore, when you crush grapes, what do you get?

Not grape juice, but wine, because fermentation starts immediately.

Connect the dots.
---Cluny on 6/17/09


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Definitely. Non-alcoholic wine begins to decay and spoil almost immediately. There were no ice-chests in that day. Fresh juice had to be consumed quickly because it would spoil. Fermented juices have the ability to be stored for long periods of time and would heve been preferred by the people.

Also, please bear in mind that children would have consumed wine also. While this insults us today, the alcoholic content of their wine was very low and would have taken a LOT of wine to make you drunk. The wines were watered down to make "table" wine and would be used every day by all people, including Jesus.

Ceremonial wines were different, their alcoholic content was very much like ours today.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/17/09


We can find the answer to this question in Matthew 11:18- "18-For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil."

" 19-The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children"

Also please consider how anyone could be called a winebibber that did not drink wine?

You can see how ridiculous it is to say that Jesus did not drink wine. Many Baptist preachers are dead wrong about this matter.
---mima on 6/17/09


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