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Cause Of Economic Crisis

Could the extent of the world's economic crisis, in terms of: job losses, layoffs, decreased economic growth, etc. be an indication of the world's "spiritual health" or the world's relationship with God?

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Nurse, I was thrilled to see you post with something substantive for a change. Your stats were thorough for the most part, but flawed in many ways as I pointed out.

Here are the real questions I have:

If getting uninsured people covered is the real goal, why not just focus on those people? That would be very simple.

If cutting costs is the real goal, why hasn't the government done so with the programs it currently runs, which are running huge losses?

If competition and lower premiums are the real goal, why not simply allow companies to operate across state lines and give full tax credits for premiums and out of pocket expenses?

Finally, government is broke. Where is the money going to come from?
---ralph7477 on 8/30/09

Life expectancy has more to do with diet and lifestyle, not quality of care.
Infant mortality has no common standard internationally.

And you're getting this information from where?? You like sources, please quote yours.

Nationalized healthcare systems are going bankrupt, reducing services and rationing care.

Since we are not "Nationalizing" healthcare.. What a crock. Again, state your sources.

And which country's health system developed much of the technology that enables the world to have all those machines?

And you point is?? Other countries are smarter than useing our technology than we are?
---NurseRobert on 8/29/09

Ralphie, you wanted stats, I gave you stats.. Do with them what you will. Nothing said on this site is going to change you mind..

maybe you should look up the studies. Their defintions will surely answer your questions..
---NurseRobert on 8/29/09

Nurse, how many are uninsured by choice or uninsured only temporarily?
Life expectancy has more to do with diet and lifestyle, not quality of care.
Infant mortality has no common standard internationally. What we count as live births, other countries count as stillborn babies.
Exactly what does "health care" mean in these "rankings"? It's kind of like ranking "good weather".
We are the only country without universal health care. So what? We are also the only country with a bill of rights.
Nationalized healthcare systems are going bankrupt, reducing services and rationing care. And which country's health system developed much of the technology that enables the world to have all those machines?
---ralph7477 on 8/29/09

The majority of the uninsured (85 percent) are native/naturalized citizens.
(The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation. April 2009)

Over 8 in 10 uninsured people come from working families, almost 70% with one or more children. (The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation. Sept 2008)

Life expectancy at birth in the US is an average of 78.14 years, which ranks 47th in highest total life expectancy compared to other countries. Source: CIA Factbook (2008)

The United States ranks 43rd in lowest infant mortality rate, down from 12th in 1960 and 21st in 1990. Some of the other 42 nations that have a lower infant mortality rate than the US include Hong Kong, Slovenia, and Cuba. Source: CIA Factbook (2008)
---NurseRobert on 8/29/09

Pt II.
The United States is the only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not have a universal health care system. Source: Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences

The United States ranks 37th among 191 nations in health care, just behind Slovenia and two slots ahead of Cuba. (Sadly for conservatives, France was rated #1) (World Health Organization stud, 2000).

Doctors here perform more high-end medical procedures, such as coronary angioplasties, than in other countries, but most of the wealthier Western countries have more CT scanners than the United States does, and Switzerland, Japan, Austria, and Finland all have more MRI machines per capita.
---NurseRobert on 8/29/09

The economic sitiuation with the health
delema, job loss, & the U.S.A. & other countries forgetting God, the Jewish people migrating back to Israel Is All combined together, these things that are to take place in Fulfilling Bible prophecy. It sure is unpleasnt to some.
---Lawrence on 8/28/09

---ralph7477 and donna, good posts. This gov health care bill has been along time in the making. The liberals now have the thugs in place to try to get it passed. I've read the overview and the gov version. It's so massive and the control the gov will have is endless. It's not about health care, it's about control of the people. In Britian they have or are talking about putting cameras in private homes. Like Glen Beck said, "we need to keep praying, and taking a stand and always let our voices be heard".
---wayne on 8/13/09

Janze, there is no "public" debt. All government debt will have to be paid with money taken from the private sector.

Many more ordinary Americans are also not anywhere near homelessness. So what's your point?

The healthcare system is ranked 37th in the world by whom? How many of those uninsured people are illegal aliens, or are uninsured by choice? Do you realize that nations around the world benefit from the U.S. health system by using all of our groundbreaking medical advancements whether it be medicines, procedures and research?

You are right about one thing, this mess has been decades in the making, starting with the New Deal. Big government has brought us to where we are.
---ralph7477 on 8/12/09

Janze -- No argument from me! I never said that present conditions were not caused by past polcies. I mentioned one thing that is making it worse right now.

I don't argue with your "facts" either though I'd like to know your source. I do have a question though about health what way is our healthcare system ranked 37th in the world (37th in what)? The "50 million" uninsured includes some who could have insurance if they desired, like healthy young people.
And....what does all this have to do with patriotism?
---Donna66 on 8/12/09

This is remarkable. In your view, the last eight years and for that matter, the last several decades had nothing to do with the current situation.

We are so politically partisan that we are almost determined to abandon reason for the usual pat answers.

Here are a few facts that may make truly patriotic thinking easier.

Public debt is more than 11 trillion dollars, but private debt is more than 50 trillion dollars.

Many ordinary Americans are 1 to 3 pay checks away from homelessness.

The healthcare system is ranked 37th in the world with almost 50 million people without health insurance and another 30 million who are under-insured.

And the manfacturing industry has declined to almost nothing.
---Janze on 8/12/09

Janze--The likes of Madoff and others you mention have existed forever. We remember them because they are NOT typical. They do not represent the average.

"Income re-distribution" or "spreading the wealth around" is taking from those who have worked hard in order to reward those who haven't...and leads to what I stated in my last post.

One reason the jobless rate keeps increasing is because many of Obama's policies are aimed at taxing and fining business or intimidating by threats of take-over (or as in the case of auto- dealers, closing them unexpectedly).
This hits small businesses esp. hard, who are responsible for about 70% of all employment. Larger business won't risk expansion or hiring new employees.
---Donna66 on 8/12/09


Before their criminal deeds were made known to the world, people like Madoff, the leaders of Enron and WorldCom and so many other people were shining examples of the hard working Americans. Even so, who precisely are being 'penalize' and how are they being penalize?
---Janze on 8/11/09

What is "fair" about punishing those who have worked hard in order to reward those who haven't. That only encourages the hard workers not to do so, and gives others an incentive to avoid trying to achieve. (I'm not suggesting we not care for the needy)

If you penalize those who have the wherewithal to provide jobs...they will provide fewer jobs.

Since when does "fair" mean uniformity? We can have equal opportunity, but the results are up to the individual....none is guaranteed success. That's the meaning of personal responsibility.

Without personal responsibility, everyone seeks whatever he can get... and no one is motivated to be the best he can be.
---Donna66 on 8/10/09

"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking."

Mr. President, who exactly are these "folks" who created the mess?

Sounds like somebody is getting a little cranky because he's having a hard time getting his way for the first time in his life. He would like people to be obediently silent. He can't "keep track" of everything that is being said, so he would like to get reports on anything "fishy" your friends or neighbors might say. Send all suspicious statements to the White House where you can "flag" your neighbor's speech.
---ralph7477 on 8/9/09

Part 1
It is obviously very difficult for some professed American Christians to separate their partisan political views from their religious ones. Robert Mugabe was never trying to re-distribute wealth. His programme of land re-distribution was always just an idea until serious opposition to his rule arose in the late 1990s. Interestingly, the American government under Reagan was a great supporter of Mugabe and his government during the first decade or so of independence.
Now, some of you are frightened by a man who says that fairness must not merely be an ideal, but it must be a practiced. That seems reasonable to me.
However, here are a few facts that just might get you to think about your country more patriotically:
---Janze on 8/8/09

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Zimbabwe redistributed land so ones not knowing farming got it ? I'm thinking, in the U.S. we have a "few" Americans who do not know what to do with *money* (o: So, giving them money . . . what is this going to do? And ones don't know what to do with marriage and kids, never mind not knowing what to do with dirt. A number of these people brought up politicians, so these "might" not know what to do with *themselves*, never mind us and money or honey, etc. > "without Me you can do nothing," Jesus says in John 15:5. Because of this pandemic character problem, nothing can work. Also, jobs have gone to China? So, there are no longer these jobs to bring people back to. So, enjoy trusting God about this.
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/8/09

We have only to see what happened in Zimbabwe the past 30 years, more recently since 2000. They had a redistribution of wealth. took land and money away from farmers and gave it to people who didn't know anything about farming. They printed more and more of their currency. Now it takes 27 million of their dollar to buy a loaf of bread and that's even if they can find bread
---wayne on 8/8/09

They are eating the plastic coating off of wires for food. Read the (Zimbabwe situation) on the internet. This is where we are heading if this change isn't stopped.
---wayne on 8/8/09

It's a signal of the USA's spiritual health.
---stephen on 7/25/09

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I believe what is really behind Obama's Health Care Plan goes much farther than health care.
Not only can we NOT have a choice of plans (despite what he says)...we will give up our power to make many personal decisions for ourselves. The food police check your fridge...twinkies? we can't treat your heart disease. Sugared soft drinks? we can't treat you if you turn out to be diabetic! Over 65? We only treat younger people for aneurysms, or COPD, or emphysema.

It opens us up for Orwellian controls of all kinds.

We can undo damage done to American industry,
But if single payer Gov't Health care is implemented, I fear we will never regain the liberties our founders planned.
---Donna66 on 7/19/09

Steveng--Yes, he was trying to scare the House into voting overnight on a bill none of them had time to read. His scare tactics worked! He's trying the same thing with his health care bill....rush it through before Representatives go home on recess in Aug. and have time to think it over and listen to their constituents.

Would that the global warming alarmists would use a few more and qualifiers, but they claim the "issue is settled" (in their mind is is...not really among scientisits who disagree about causes and possible solutions)
---Donna66 on 7/19/09

Donna66: "If Obama estimated in Feb that the economy could be beyond repair.... and that was an "underestimate"... "

You are taking his little speech out of context. What he was trying to do was scare you into voting for the stimulus package. He says if your don't vote for the stimulus package, the economy will get worse. And most people believed him.

Look at the words politians use: could, maybe, probably, etc. These are the same words that evolutionist and global warming scaremongers use to make you believe in a lie. I once went to a lecture on evolution at Cal Tech thirty years ago - and what a joke that was.

Parents use the same strategy on children.
---Steveng on 7/19/09

Donna, you are a champion of common sense but don't be fooled by this gang in charge. They don't really care about your health care. They want people to be debating the specifics of their plan. By doing so, it means that people have accepted the premise that this is something the government should be taking over.

The goal of these people is absolute control. Nothing less. They care not about your health or whether you are employed or bankrupt. They are purposefully sending the country into ruin so that there will be nothing left but government and the citizens toiling as slaves with government involved in every aspect of life. I know it sounds impossible but what other explanation is there?
---ralph7477 on 7/18/09

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As I said, my figures came from the Bureau of Labor Statistics...I looked them up myself. I did not get them from anybody.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics is THE OFFICIAL government source on statistics. concerning labor (as well as other things).
They are not a political organization.
---Donna66 on 7/17/09

I can't find a congressman, IRS or post office employee anywhere that doesn't like the government health care plan.

And guess what, they have a choice of physicians.
---larry on 7/17/09

I added up the figures you gave and got:

Democrat earmarks

Republican earmarks: Including Alan Specter who is now a Democrat

But all politicians get what they can get. Many Republicans, since GW Bush, have lost their sense of fiscal responsibility and spent like Democrats.Sadly, the majority of this pork "stimulates" nothing

If Obama estimated in Feb that the economy could be beyond repair.... and that was an "underestimate"... does it now mean it's a hopeless case? No, he sees his plan working, though most working people don't and unemployment continues to rise.
---Donna66 on 7/17/09

Yes Donna, I remember BHO saying that. They've said so many things they themselves forget what or when they said it. There's so much hypocrisy and contradiction with this admistration and it's being covered up by the media.
---wayne on 7/17/09

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EVERYBODY knows we are all paying for the ER visits of those without insurance or on medicaid.
(However there HAVE been plans suggested costing less than a trillion dollars!)

The problem with Obama's plan is that, contrary to what he says, you will not have a choice!

Your company may well decide they'd rather pay the fine than spend what it costs to insure employees (the cost of insurance premiums+negotiation+employee couseling is a large part of their budget.) You can't afford insurance NOT subsidized by your job.
After a few years of gov'ment health care...maybe you you want a change?
Few, if any, private plans will still exist. If they do, they will be twice as expensive due to lack of enrollees
---Donna66 on 7/16/09

Yes, Donna I remember Obama telling the house that and he is probably right.
And guess which party had the top earmark spenders last year?

Top Ten Senate Earmarkers*

Sen. Thad Cochran, R-Miss.

Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska

Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va.

Sen. Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii

Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill.

Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev.

Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa

Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash.

Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa.

Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.
---larry on 7/16/09

Is it just me, or does anybody else remember pres. Obama telling the House that the crisis in our economy was so severe that "it might be beyond recovery"...unless they approved the Stimulis Bill by the next morning? He signed it himself a few days later in Denver.

What does Biden mean, and now the president himself, by saying the economy was in WORSE shape than they thought?
---Donna66 on 7/16/09

Ralph-has really done his homework on health care. What the ideologues miss in discussing costs is that we are and will pay the enormous cost of health care anyway. Who do you now think pays for all of those people sitting in ER's?
The conservative talking points on health care is a straw dog because those who cry out the plan is too expensive don't realize they are already paying through cost increases from health providers who must cover the poor and illegal immigrants, and your taxes that cover the growing mass under medicaid. C'mon people!
I don't like the Obama plan either but the GOP is intellectually dishonest.
---larry on 7/16/09

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Donna66, everyone, well almost, has an agenda. You need to know that people, for whatever reason, combine numbers so that they will increase the result or decrease it. It's like adding "goodwill" to a balance sheet to puff up the numbers. Goodwill is, of course, an arbitrary value. Politions will add or subrtact numbers to make the unemployment numbers look good and, in turn, make Obama look good and that 'his' stimulous package is working. It's difficult to find people with unbiased stats. Even christian organizations pad their numbers. When looking at stats, you need to do some due diligence - find out, if you can, what numbers were added or subtracted and HOW the numbers were gathered.
---Steveng on 7/15/09

I heard on the news yesterday that parts of Michigan have a 20% unemployment rate. As the center of the auto industry, that seems possible to me.

the stats I gave were not what I "heard". The figures I quoted came from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. They have a web site, but check and see when the information was updated. (by the way I just checked...the unemployment rate in 1933 reached 25%)
Statistics don't lie but politicians do and think nothing of misquoting to serve their own ends ( often more money to spend).

Instead of believing all a politician says...use some logic. If you penalize business (esp. small business) by more taxes and fees ...are they going to want to spend more on new employees?
---Donna66 on 7/15/09

Donna66: "The present situation has been "hyped", largely for political reasons."

Who are you to believe? Man? Which man? Depending on whose statistics you believe. Most people agree that statistics lie, but it's the person puting the stats together. Obama thinks his stimulous package is working. Biden thinks the economy is in worse shape than they thought. Some people, filtering out useless information that politics include, say unemployment rate is already at 20%. If you own a business, take it one day at a time, but increase your marketing investments to take shares away from your competitors who fail.
---Steveng on 7/14/09

Some beleive a small group of rich people, corporations, and ancient secret societies who met at Jekyll Island in 1910 are behind all this. Others beleive what ever the "news" says...

No matter who or what is the causing the problems, Christians need to have their minds on Jesus, be lead by the Holy Spirit, have their "Passover" covenant of Salvation and be ready to endure til the end when He comes again.

We are destined to Win and inherit the earth by the blood of Yahushua.

Revelations 12:11
---Yochanan on 7/14/09

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Steveng ---

...So are you saying "don't vote"? No matter how precious the privilege is, don't bother because it won't matter. The country is too wicked. It is beyond hope.

The Iraqis and Iranians are stupid enough to risk their lives in order to vote. Isn't it silly to show off those purple thumbs? You can see how futile it is. Nobody in the world is watching, anyhow.

And if things don't work as we'd like, if our cause fails, if God brings us to destruction....well, we should have known better than to VOTE!
---Donna66 on 7/14/09

Who says Capitalism has "failed"? "Failed" at what? I think the reports of it's death are highly exaggerated (though Socialists and Communists have eagerly anticipated its demise for at least 60 yrs.)

Times right now are tough...though not nearly as bad as during the Great depression when the unemployment rate was in the 20's. Actually, they are not even as bad as 1982, when the unemployment rate reached 10.80.
The system recovered then, even without massive bailouts

The present situation has been "hyped", largely for political reasons.
We are in a period of general readjustment and reorganization in some sectors...not a "failure" of the whole system.
---Donna66 on 7/13/09

Donna66: "But where government is concerned, being well informed is essential as well. Besides weapons that are "mighty through God", we have a weapon that is not available to every Christian in the world...the vote."

The vote doesn't mean anything if the country has backslidden. God has control of all governments. He can bring countries to power and he can destroy them. It's not dependant upon votes - only in the eyes of the people.
---Steveng on 7/13/09

Health care costs are ridiculously high because the health care system is not market based. When the consumer of a service does not pay the bills, the consumer will over-consume, be indifferent to whatever the costs are and have no incentive to shop around for the best price.

Imagine how expensive your automobile costs would be if a third party paid your bills and insurance premiums and every time you changed the oil or repaired a flat tire you simply submitted the bill to insurance.

Of course instead of encouraging a market based health care system, the people in charge are advocating the Statist approach because liberals absolutely love control.
---ralph7477 on 7/13/09

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The solution will not be found in idealogical arguments blaming the left or right. Capitalism is the best system out there but its not holy and everything that can be shaken will be - we know that.
Additionally there is no biblical virtue in conservative or liberal politics so the entire system was bound to fail.
The greed of the health system for example with cost increases 5 and 10 times the rate of inflation is not the fault of Bush or Obama. Health costs are doing more damage to small and large businesss more than any candidate's proposal. And any attempt to stop the gravy train of entitlements by any president is met with hostility.
Its not our presidents its us.
---larry on 7/13/09

we have a president who said "we need the stimulis now, so we can put people to work now, so the rate won't go high". We have a vice president who said "we misread the ecomony that's why the unemployment rate is so high at 9.5%". Now the president says " we knew the unemployed rate was going to be high and last for awhile". How can we believe anything they say, do they think we are fools?. Now i have just quoted what they actually said. We must discern Godly wisdom from worldly wisdom.
---wayne on 7/13/09

Steveng --- Yes, Spiritual warfare is part of it. Especially so when it comes to the the Illuminati, the Zionists, Bilderbergers...whose existence, role and membership, is not easily verifiable. Spiritual warfare is all that is available to us where they are concerned.

But where government is concerned, being well informed is essential as well. Besides weapons that are "mighty through God", we have a weapon that is not available to every Christian in the world...the vote. It would be a shame to have this privilege and not use it wisely.
---Donna66 on 7/13/09

You people are missing an important element in the formula for evil. You blame man for all the evil in the world. What is worth an education when the educated persons brought us into this situation. But there is another element you forget: Satan. These men - the Illuminati, the Zionists, Bilderbergers, etc. - who you call wicked think in their hearts that they are doing the right thing. It's not their fault they think they way they do "for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

You need to also remember that there will be another one world government not headed by man, but by Jesus.
---Steveng on 7/10/09

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Donna, you're right on. what those liberals do not understand is what makes a free country thrive. It's the God given American spirit. It's not the gov's job to creat jobs because they can't do it. Supply and demand is what it takes. They don't have a clue. If the cap and trade bill passes the gov will just about own your home. They can make amendments to the bill whenever they want. The only jobs that have been created is 78000 gov jobs.
---wayne on 7/9/09

Wayne -- I agree with you. I don't know for sure their intent, but if an administration wanted to kill private enterprise, they couldn't do it better than Obama.

Small business provides 70% of American jobs. To say you will create thousands of jobs and then advance policies that destroy small business, is a direct contradiction! If Obama creates jobs at all, they will be government jobs---which produce nothing and add nothing to the GNP.

My gut sense is that that nobody in the Obama Administration, despite their intellectual theories, has a clue about how the economy works.(I can't think of a single one of them who has any experience in private sector business, can you?)
---Donna66 on 7/9/09

I think it's this current administration's goal is to crush the priviate small business. Either that or they are idiots. They want to create a new order. They want control of everything. One of their goals is to stamp out Christianity. The Spirit of this country is what made it great. The Spirit of God. That's what we were founded on.
---wayne on 7/9/09


What you express is strictly your own opinion.You will find some who agree with you. But don't expect the whole human race to agree. There are thousands who still make great sacrifices to immigrate to the Capitalist United States...even in our
ecomomic crisis.

If you are concerned about the good of many,

which one, Socialism or Capitalism

....has done more to raise the standard of living across the board?
.... has provided the most advances in medicine to save lives and technology to make more goods available to more people?
...empowers ordinary people to better their situation by intelligence and hard work?
.....Which gives people greater reason for hope in the future?
---Donna66 on 7/9/09

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Since the so-call economic crisis, I have waited for someone to say that the system, which precipitated the situation, is defined by greed and excess. That system is capitalism.

It is now time for the human race to conclude that neither socialism as defined by the old Soviet Union nor the Capitalism championed by America and Western Europe are designed for the good of the many. It is now reasonable to conclude that they were designed for the benefit of the few, the greedy and haunty.
---Janze on 7/8/09

Economic conditions may reflect "spiritual health", but there are always real world forces at work.

It should be no surprise that US unemployment
continues high. Our economic condition can't improve....
because the Obama administration's policies, almost without exception, discourage US Corporations from hiring new employees or investing in business. It's the exact opposite of what we need in a recesession.

Taxes on business are higher in the US than any other country!. Just as other countries are seeing the value of decreasing business taxes, our government sets out to increase ours.

I predict we will see even more companies move outside the country. Even a move to Canada is tempting to businesses today.
---Donna66 on 7/8/09

I'm still of the opinion that the "wickedness" of those in control pretty much represents the wickedness of the society as a whole. I don't believe there is a special class of powerful wicked people that are worse than anybody else. BUT if you have a lot of money and/or a lot of power (they often go together), the damage you cause will be greater and more widespread.

The ordinary person may cut corners on the job and think it won't be discovered or it won't matter. If an influential person does the same, it's a scandal.
---Donna66 on 7/5/09

Yes! Wicked people are virtually in control of everything. Things are not going to get any better, because God knows that He won't get the credit. And He is not going to share His glory with NO mere human-being. God wants people coming to Him and worshiping Him. Not worshiping stuff, themselves, money, the stock market, power, [which is a BIG problem in the world], and other people. This is called idolatry, and God HATES all idolatries. "Thy shalt have NO other gods before me", is one of the Ten Commandments. ....These are God's laws. And God means business. I know my God. And He is a serious God and He means business. Either we do things His way, or we ALL pay. The love of money is the root of ALL evil, in the land.
---catherine on 7/4/09

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It is an indication of the "world's spiritual health" in terms of GREED and AVARICE the true cause of the enconomic crisis.

Nations put their trust in money and money is not trustworthy.

We're in a real mess now.
Obama and Pelosi are spending us toward a useless currency, yet 6 of top ten pork spenders of stimulus including the number one pork spender are republicans. Go figure.
Its back to my idea of giving every taxpayer a million dollars which would be a fraction of what we are now spending and somewhere about $200 million, or a biblical year of Jubilee where we'd wipe out all debt and just start over again.
---larry on 7/3/09

It was meant to happen. The industrial revolution like anything brought another double edge sword. Machinery alleviates the need for manpower (dude yer days are numbered!). Computers (machines) even alleviated the need to operate the machines, therefore displacing even more workers. Competition driven by population growth, emerging economies and all following suit with the machine model of efficiency, coupled with the Socialization of Business Ownership (Publicly Held Companies), created a molotov cocktail and it blew. I do not think this business model cares anything but for the economic (profit) in the word socioeconomic...
---Nana on 7/3/09

Certainly. It's indicative of that relationship with God, and a lot of other things. But, simply enough, it all adds up to one explanation: the fallenness of the world and the inability of man to "fix it."
---Jonathan on 7/3/09

I don't believe the world's economic crisis is due to "evil people in control of the money flow" and possibly not to "evil" people in charge.

In the US, big businesses simply did what most individual Americans (and the government) have done for decades: borrow too much money, keep too little money in reserve.

Businesses thrive on a certain amount of risk, but they finally outdid themselves.
Loans went unpaid.. employees had to be laid off for corporations to pay debts...the newly unemployed who lived from paycheck to paycheck, had cars and homes re-possessed. Those who depended in Real-estate, construction and related industries, lost income because homes were not being built or bought...on and on it goes.
---Donna66 on 7/3/09

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The economic crisis is a direct result of the evil people in control of the money flow and more directly the result of the decision of the man who tells them what to do. Indirectly it is because of idol worship which includes infanticide. God is allowing the devil to punish America for idol worship.
---frances008 on 7/1/09

Could the US economic crisis be a direct result of legalized abortion (and lower birth rate)?

The first generation of aborted babies would be approaching their 40's now--their peak earning years, to say nothing about creativity and general productivity.

Could it be that we are missing the contributions they would have made to American society and wealth?
---Cluny on 6/30/09

My questions is why do so many christians continually talk about the problem & keep on punking out?

Also, have you ever noticed how bad news always attracks greater attention? Too many focus on fear instead of faith.
---Rickey on 6/29/09

the world always has been and always will be in crisis.THE WOR,D THAT as a believer we need not be,nor should we be.
---tom2 on 6/24/09

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remember that in the time just before the anti christ appears there must be all types of crisis,s going on including natural disasters,and economic upheaval,then he appears with all the answers.You know? a day wages for a loaf of bread.
---tom2 on 6/24/09

Exzucuh and Leon~ Amen...You two made excellent points and based on the word of God.

The books of Isaiah and Jeremiah are packed full of wisdom. Why do preachers seldom preach from these amazing books, so we might know what the Lord despises and turn from our wicked deeds. Then the Lord might look upon us and bless us and purge us from our filth and shame. Then the Lord might shower us with His great blessings like He did in days of old. is the same old story...when we turn our backs on God...God will turn His back on us and give us the fruits of our wickedness, injustice, greed, shame, and iniquity. This is why the world is in it's current condition.

We need more preachers like Exzucuh to preach full gospel.
---Anne on 6/23/09

I don't believe that the present economic condition is created by God and I don't believe that it has any real spiritual intent or purpose. However I do believe that God can use anything to his Glory so if a few conversions are made or a few stray paths are straightened out during this time then so be it. God is not surprised by man or any world condition at any point in history. It is the nature of man to be greedy and self serving and that is what created this crisis. Man has been building an economic house of cards for years and it finally came crashing down.
---TIMOTHY on 6/23/09

The Illuminati, the Zionists, Bilderbergers, etc. plan economic crises on purpose because it is part of their plans.
---Betty on 6/23/09

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Sure. People live selfishly so they fail to take care of themselves and each other, and this is not loving others as themselves. So, this tells me they are spiritually not healthy in God's love.

Another thingy > in the past, one of those piggy flus killed, I think, millions of people. If one that takes out *middle-aged* people swept through the U.S., I think of how the middle-age people who could die would be in key military and computer tech and political and other areas of America's culture, and it might be impossible to replace a number of such technical and expert people, in time to rescue the country's ability to function. "It could be over, that quick."

I'd say God has simply decided otherwise, for now, at least.
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/23/09

1 Timothy 6:1-10

"For the love of money is the root of all evil..."

---Leon on 6/23/09

Sag this question could well describe what is going on. Something of a horrendous nature must take place(the US must fall) in order for there to be a one world government, or something similar such as a one world currency to start with, so your question is really right on target. Many people fail to realize the greatness of is country. We are the big dog in the pin and as we go so goes the world. For over 20 years my job as a river pilot was pushing grain down the Mississippi River in order to help the rest of the world fead itself. That condition has not appreciably changed. And it is my contention that all our aid to the rest of the world should be based on the rest of the world's behavior in regards to us!!!
---mima on 6/23/09

I don't think so. It was not caused by a natural disaster. It was caused by bad decisions made by humans. I have always said that our economy will eventually be doomed because it is a debt based economy. The Bible says to owe no man nothing. Far too many people got way overextended in mortgage debt, and that is what caused the crash. If we jump off a cliff, we will be hurt of killed. It is that simple, God does not cause it, we do. I did not buy a home until I had enough money to pay cash, so you can't blame me.
---obewan on 6/23/09

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Isaiah 1:4-7 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward. Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it, but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment. Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.
---exzucuh on 6/23/09

Isaiah 10:5-7 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation. I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets. Howbeit he meaneth not so, neither doth his heart think so, but it is in his heart to destroy and cut off nations not a few.

Isaiah 60:12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish, yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.
---exzucuh on 6/23/09

Jeremiah 5:1-3 Run ye to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem, and see now, and know, and seek in the broad places thereof, if ye can find a man, if there be any that executeth judgment, that seeketh the truth, and I will pardon it. And though they say, The LORD liveth, surely they swear falsely. O LORD, are not thine eyes upon the truth? thou hast stricken them, but they have not grieved, thou hast consumed them, but they have refused to receive correction: they have made their faces harder than a rock, they have refused to return.

Jeremiah 5:9 Shall I not visit for these things? saith the LORD: and shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?
---exzucuh on 6/23/09


Psalm 87 (I think) discusses why the ungodly prospers financially.
---Cluny on 6/22/09

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It certainly seems to fit in with all of the other factors that the Bible teaches will occur just before Jesus returns. We haven't seen anything yet! We need to be ready for persecution and world change. Ultimately, the Antichrist, mark or the beast etc. I pray that Christians will turn to God in a very serious and sincere way as we cannot be playing around with God:)
---jody on 6/22/09

No! This recession is a direct result of greed. So many people want a house that they can't afford and cars that they can't afford. Years ago couples decided that the mother would go to work so they could afford the things they WANTED. Now they have children out of control because there was no parent home with the children. But, they got that big house and those two cars.
---SusieB on 6/22/09

It could be but I'd like to see someone prove it.
---john on 6/22/09

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