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Where are the men in churches today? It seems to be mostly women.

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 ---Augie on 6/23/09
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Miche, what makes you think I want a wife? You think I have the desire to spend Sunday afternoons doing chores or shopping for curtains instead of taking a nap and watching the golf tournament?

Actually, I would love a housekeeper who does the grocery shopping, walks the dog and cooks every once in awhile. I just can't afford to hire one. And if I can't afford a housekeeper I certainly can't afford a wife.
---ralph7477 on 7/20/09

I think it is sad that you really believe all women are like this. And You know That Christ says if you hold things like that in your heart, and you can't forgive, then you won't be forgiven.
Maybe you should rethingk the way you say things to. It shows your bitterness and seems very unchristian.
---miche3754 on 7/21/09


God's Curse from Chapter 3 in Genesis still governs the unsaved and saved. Few men will be able to tolerate God's curse and be able to resist it.
---stephen on 7/21/09


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Other reasons men stay away:
Men fight their wars at work, and don't like to go home to a battle.
One, a congregation full of manipulative strident rebellious women are as attractive to us as a three week old maggot filled rat sandwich. Most Christian men don't mind taking on dragons, but many struggle with dealing with the dragon ladies in Church. Although, the only reasonable response would be for the congregation to rebuke this Jezebel spirit, most wont. Probably, that would take the resolve of a King Jehu mixed with the integrity of an Elijah.
Note the number of women who have the temerity to respond to this blog.
---Glenn on 7/20/09


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Two, men don't like the delicate effeminate 'Jesus' that is presented in some churches. We identify with the Jesus who said that the Pharisees "are like unto whited sepulchers", Matthew 23:27-33, "who drove them all out", John 2:14-17, who could have called "more than twelve legions of angels", but went to the cross in our place, Matt 26:53. We recognize the Lord in Revelations 19:15-16. He was kind to the humble, and he stood for righteousness, Isaiah 5:7, Matthew 12:19-21, Hebrews 1:8-9.
Who do you say that He is? Matthew 16:13-17, Mark 8:27-29, Luke 19:18-20.
---Glenn on 7/20/09


Hi Ralph, thank you, I can appreciate your kindness in your latest response. :) We might not see eye to eye but I consider you a brother in Christ, God bless you and thank you.
---Mary on 7/20/09




Miche, what makes you think I want a wife? You think I have the desire to spend Sunday afternoons doing chores or shopping for curtains instead of taking a nap and watching the golf tournament?

Actually, I would love a housekeeper who does the grocery shopping, walks the dog and cooks every once in awhile. I just can't afford to hire one. And if I can't afford a housekeeper I certainly can't afford a wife.
---ralph7477 on 7/20/09


Obewan, I understand 100%.
What you ought to say to those women who bash men because of their bitterness, is-
1-Accept responsibility for their part because it takes 2.

Believe me I know, I used to be one of them. The healing started with accepting my part in the failure, asking for forgiveness from him, giving forgiveness to him and asking for forgiveness from God.

2- If they really have Jesus, they would be healed of their broken heart and they would be fit for another husband/wife.

Ralph, maybe you should try this instead of having that wall up. Only when you remove it will God send you your wife.
---miche3754 on 7/20/09


Well, at some churches, the women share the lions share of the blame.

At one church, the singles group has a "ladies" lunch every Sunday, but nothing for men.

At two others, the singles groups have small group Bible studies for "women only", but nothing for the men.

Divorce has a lot to do with it. There are plenty of bitter women. Men hating and men bashing are rampant. Do you expect good Christian men to go to a group where they are not appreciated? I have never been married, but I grow weary of hearing all the men complaints at the groups I attend. It makes the women I meet quite unattractive as "wife material". They should just go to a divorce recovery group and "get over it".
---obewan on 7/20/09


Mary, I am glad to know you are no longer involved with the other guy. Hopefully this new fellow will be just what you need.

You gals need to understand that the things I write are not intended to be "nice", but rather to help and to promote righteousness even though they may not come across as being so nice. I've spend most of my life being a Christian "nice guy". You know where nice guys finish. I am going to strive to live the rest of my life being a GOOD guy. Jesus was good. He wasn't always nice.
---ralph7477 on 7/19/09


Hi, um no this is NOT the man with whom I thought I was having a baby several months back--thank you for being so nice, Ralph! No, this is a wonderful loving generous and kind godly man who is my soulmate and friend and the more kindness and generosity he shows me in love, the more I cherish and respect him for it. He is a priceless gem--you should try being more like him, Ralph--truly--it's not an insult.
---Mary on 7/18/09




Mary, is this the boyfriend with whom you though you were having a baby several months back?

If it is, then it's a perfect example of what can happen when a man gives "100%" to a woman.
---ralph7477 on 7/16/09

That is not nice.

Actually thats what happens when a man is leading himself instead of being led by God.
Again, we can't blame the opposite gender for our bad choices.
God says if we follow him he will make our path straight.
If we use the WORD of God to choose a proper mate, we would not fall into the pitfalls and snares prepared by the enemy.
---miche3754 on 7/17/09


Anon-Pardon me sister.
I did not mean to suggest more snares indicates its easier for men to sin. I do know that leaders are more under attack and those who could be leaders are more often under attack.
You don't think Satan was behind the order to slaughter first born sons? You believe Lucifer was really headed for the wives of Job and Noah's and got detoured?
Look what is currently going on with Republican politicians. Leadership has always been under attack. Satan is not particularly creative because the same plan has worked since Adam and Eve, David and Bathsheba. From Herod to Ahmadenijah it remains the same. And you would have me think Satan was as consumed with Eva Braun as he was with Hitler?
---larry on 7/16/09


Mary, is this the boyfriend with whom you though you were having a baby several months back?

If it is, then it's a perfect example of what can happen when a man gives "100%" to a woman.
---ralph7477 on 7/16/09


Anon - you didn't read my post. I never said there are more snares for men, and the bible says Eve not all women are more easily decieved always.
I am not out to ruffle the female ego but history proves and is replete with Satan's focus on men primarily because of their leadership roles.
Lucifer violated God's order in heaven with pride and has been on a mission to violate God's order in families and nations ever since.
He will attack women alone and use women to persuade men to sin, but he is primarily focused on God's order which effects mostly men. Put your fists down, its not gender its order.
God bless.
---larry on 7/16/09


larry, There are many more snares for men to walk in darkness as Satan primarly puts forth his efforts toward men.

You know what larry? let's chat.
The bible tells us that women are more easily deceived than men so that's no excuse.

You are believing a lie if you believe satan primarily puts forth his efforts towards men.

I have demons manifest in my presence now because of my anointing, I'm called to cast them out, and they know it. I've have almost every human being I've encountered shoot false accusations at me a million times. I've had temptations beyond belief. I've been betrayed because satan whispered lies to others about me that weren't true. I've had two men point guns at me trying to murder me. Need I go on?
---anon on 7/16/09


But in the long run, knowledge is much better than ignorance.
---ralph7477 on 7/14/09
Ecclesiactes 1:18
(King James Version)
18For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

I wish sometimes that I didn't know what I know now, too, Ralph.


Larry, that was an awesome post. And very true.
That is why I said that a truly Godly man is a wonderful thing to see.
Mark E. as usual, you are speaking the truth!
God bless ALL you wonderful Godly men! We need more of you out here.
---miche3754 on 7/16/09


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I'm sooooooooo grateful my boyfriend isn't like some of you guys, he's more like Mark, thank God! :) And I RESPECT him for it! :)
---Mary on 7/16/09


Where are the men today? They are slipping into darkness, willingly choosing to be emasculated by a feminized society that ridicules godly men.
There are many more snares for men to walk in darkness as Satan primarly puts forth his efforts toward men. He doesn't need to waste his time with women when simply misdirecting men will suit him nicely. Satan, the highest ranking cherub, knows God is a god of order. He knows that if he can just get men distracted from their roles as spiritual leaders of their families the whole house of cards collapses.
Who do you really think is behind the desire by some men to be effeminate or even become women?
---larry on 7/16/09


Mark E, another great answer brother. I am glad that you are on line because God has a great purpose for you. Your answer as to what love you have for your wife is something I always believed in. What I tried to explain on another blog is what God means by love. And you gave the answer yourself. Love is self-sacrifice. Sacrificing yourself for others. God love for us was so strong He sacrifice His Son. That is the love we should display. We don't have to die to show love, but sacrifice oneself without expecting anything in return. Again Thank you so much Mark, and praise be to God for using you.
---MarkV. on 7/15/09


I know I can sound like I have bitterness but I assure you I don't. What I do have is a whole lot of knowledge that I didn't have before and a realistic perspective.

In all honesty, I sometimes wish I didn't know what I now know about women. In many ways it was much more pleasant to simply go about believing whatever they said. But in the long run, knowledge is much better than ignorance.
---ralph7477 on 7/14/09

Okay, I was worried there for a minute.
I can say the same for men. But I refuse to give up. God says there are Godly men who obey HIM out here and I will keep searching for that one.
I see it as having knowledge of how to tell the right one from the wrong one now.
---miche3754 on 7/15/09


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trav - *Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind

Yes, I can see that you view women as unrighteous but such types are truly abusers of themselves with mankind as they cannot stand a woman that is superior to them.

Maybe you would be better off in the Islamic world?
---Lee1538 on 7/14/09


Hi, I honestly believe if more men were like Mark Eaton on this blog, there would be more happy marriages and more work done in the church in general. God bless you Mark--you do a great deal to ease the pain other men have caused. :)
---Mary on 7/14/09


Sexual bias, like racial prejudice is something that dies hard.
---Lee1538 on 7/14/09

Well you been told before but, you love drama and controversy. I'll point out from a mans stand point what you are missing here.
Men abhor effeminate men. Men, are Scripturally and Biblically not to be led by women. Real women...love and are attracted to Real men.
There is no problem but, within yourself. You straddle....we paddle.
1 Corinthians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind
---Trav on 7/14/09


The idiotcay that I see among those that claim the scripture forbids women to occupy certain positions in the church is that they will quote -

1 Tim 3:2 An overseer, therefore, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, selfcontrolled, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an able teacher,...

But clearly the verse would also forbid a single or widowed man from being elected as an overseer.

Frankly, the phrase 'the husband of one wife' was there to deny polygamists the opportunity to govern the church.

But most denominations that seek to spread the gospel do not have restrictions regarding whether women can be in church office.

Sexual bias, like racial prejudice is something that dies hard.
---Lee1538 on 7/14/09


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"the problem is the woman you have chosen in the past"-miche3754.

Ha, I have to give that one to you miche.

I know I can sound like I have bitterness but I assure you I don't. What I do have is a whole lot of knowledge that I didn't have before and a realistic perspective.

In all honesty, I sometimes wish I didn't know what I now know about women. In many ways it was much more pleasant to simply go about believing whatever they said. But in the long run, knowledge is much better than ignorance.
---ralph7477 on 7/14/09


Where are the men in churches today? It seems to be mostly women.

Men are generally tied up in the workplace, while women, particular those who have kids in school, have more time on their hands to do church work.

However, there is often a complaint heard in the churches that they need more men but they often are either not available or incompetent for the church to utilize them in any capacity.
---Lee1538 on 7/14/09


Ralph, the problem is not that it doesn't work, the problem is the woman you have chosen in the past or present. God gives men guidance on how to know a Godly woman.

It seems like you have some bitterness to women. That is not good to carry around.
I used to have bitterness toward men because of abuse both physical and mental and adultery, but I still know that God makes good Godly men.
And you are right, man should put God first and he does that by putting others before himself. And women are suppose to do the same thing. When married you belong to each other and are part of each other and you are suppose to think of your spouse before yourself.
---miche3754 on 7/13/09


Mark E., nowhere did I write or imply that a husband's love should be conditional. I simply explained the cause and effect.

As far as refusing to obey God, I have never come across scripture which tells a husband to give his wife "100% of himself, 100% of his time, 100% of his love, 100% of his effort, 100% of everything." Paul tells husbands that they should love their wives to where they would be willing to lay down their lives for her like Christ did. All the 100% stuff you added is your viewpoint, not scripture. Jesus even said that a man who leaves family for His sake will have great reward. He called married men away from their wives to be apostles. I can't see revering a wife as a goddess to be Christian.
---ralph7477 on 7/13/09


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Ralph:

How my wife treats me is between my wife and God. God does not tell me to love her IF she loves me. So, how she treats me is IRRELEVANT. I will obey God in my marriage no matter what my wife does.

What you need to understand is YOUR obligation to your wife by God's commandment. I gave you the Ephesians passage, there are lots more. Study them and see if I am telling you the truth. Don't be another man who refuses to obey God in his marriage.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/12/09


Mark Eaton, I can't agree with your expanded meaning of the Ephesians verse, although I used to think that way myself.

The problem is that while that all sounds nice, it rarely works in real life. The mind of a woman works as follows: She will say she desires to be treated like you describe, i.e. a queen. In reality, she doesn't want that at all. She will continually push the bounds to see how much her man is willing to acquiesce. Ultimately, when she is given everything, she will lose interest in him and respect for him. Women like to battle to varying degrees. I don't know why, that's just how it is.

A man's true desire should be to be used by and for the Lord. He's not of much use if he gives all to a wife.
---ralph7477 on 7/12/09


Hi Mark :) Beautiful blog entry--very beautiful. :) I have a boyfriend who certainly meets this description of a godly man and I feel soooo deeply blessed :)
---Mary on 7/12/09


Ralph:

Here is the definition of love and the definition a husband should live out.

Eph 5:25 "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her".

When have you sacrified anything for your wife? When have you given everything for her? When have you died to self and given your ALL to her?

The husbands role is to exclusively and ultimately love his wife. To give her 100% of himself, 100% of his time, 100% of his love, 100% of his effort, 100% of everything. It is not a 50/50 relationship. And he gives to himself 0%.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/10/09


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"Yeah, the problem is that women create their own definitions for what love is"

From my observations here and elsewhere, so do men!!

And they have widely and wildly differing views as to what is meant by honouring and respecting their wives, and on the meaning of leadership.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/10/09


Ralph, I agree with you.
I used to be that way until I got into what God says about love between husband & wife. Women can be such emotional creatures. I believe God knows what hes doing and I believe his word. If I'd known back then what I know now, I'd be married to a Godly man that obey's God's Word. I had set such high standards not realizing I wasn't obeying what God says about it.
You asked me about Corinthians, I have been told that on some parts, Paul was being specific.I was told he's addressing an apostasy issue. The 1,2,3 chapters are about Paul chastizing.
In Chapter 13 of 1 Cor., Paul is speaking on how we are to love one another. Our brothers and sisters in Christ and husband and wife.
---miche3754 on 7/10/09


Yeah, the problem is that women create their own definitions for what love is. They create all kinds of scenarios for what "respect" should be based on what they desire. A woman's perspective and a man's perspective on what it means to "provide" for her are sometimes miles apart. I'm just speaking from experience.

As a side note, you listed 1 Corinthians as an example that we should apply to ourselves. I'm confused because I've read here that the book of 1 Corinthians is "site specific". In other words, Paul wrote it only to the Corinthian church and it doesn't apply to us today, especially when he discusses women in the church. If that's the case, we don't need to follow it. Am I mistaken?
---ralph7477 on 7/10/09


Im truly sorry Ralph if it seemed I misunderstood what you were saying you needed.
Christ is the example of how men should treat their wives.
Look at how he spoke to the woman at the well. When Mary was sitting at his feet to learn. Christ died for his "bride".
1 Cor. 13 is a good example. Ephesians 4:2, 5:22,25,28-31, Col. 3:19, 1 Pet. 3:7.
A Godly man should put God first. Love, cherish, respect and provice for his wife. He should also do the same for his children.
Discipline with LOVE not anger. A woman is a man's help mate and should be considered equal. This doesn't mean she can do what ever he does physically. I can only speak for myself that a man like this is a wonderful thing 2nd only to Christ.
---miche3754 on 7/9/09


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I was not clear but give me a few examples of how God can grow tired.The Flood, God regretted he made man. Israel, God regretted to have brought them outof egypt. the exile. God sent them away. Jews, God rejected them for a while in favor of the pagans. nevertheless,God says to pagan believers that if He could cut of the original branch he can easely cut of the wild branch as well.. so you who think you can continue rebellion anbd stay blessed, the Judgement of God starts in his own house. Today God uses women strongly, hallelujah for they are willing. If men only would repent, God could easely restore them. yet we act like the jewish leaders in the apostolic time. we Reject Gods work in others. May He have compassion and lead us to restoration.
---andy3996 on 7/9/09


Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Joh 12:43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

1Co 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

God Bless You All!
---TheSeg on 7/9/09


Glenn, my dear, I hope you're not the "Glenn" that is asking for advice on preparing for marriage, because if so, your wife is in for it! You are very rude, to be bluntly honest, I also saw how you attacked miche and that was not cool the way you went about that too. As far as me being oversenstive and "selfish" at least I can be hurt--can you?
---Mary on 7/8/09


I attend a small non-denominational fellowship / House of prayer.
We have a about 60% men and 40% women...
One of the main reasons that more men don't attend main stream churches is they the cater to women...
We are taught all about baby Jesus and the Nativity, how he got beat up without saying a word, killed and put in someone elses tomb, and rose on the third day... that's all well and good, but it's presented like a Lifetime channel movie.
Jesus isn't a woose. He's a warrior (like all men)and HE is coming back to this earth kick the devil's rearend, throw him in a pit and rule the world for 1000 years... then He'll loose the devil and destroy him once and for all for every hurt he has caused us
---Allan2777 on 7/8/09


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Glenn,
It grieves me that you really think I am a false prophet. But of course that is your opinion seeing that most on here don't see me the way you do. I apologize if my statements have offended you. And there is no need for me to take my blog entries to my pastor or overseer. They actually have taught me the things of the Word of God that are truth.
Why is it you are offended? YOu should not be. If you are a true Godly man you will not be. If there were more like nana, exzucuh, Ralph(even though we do disagree sometimes), mima, lee and several other truly Godly men that can deliver the word without insult but with LOVE. And Mary should be offended by what you say. Because Christ would not say the things you do.
---miche3754 on 7/8/09


I was always taught and have read in the Bible that the man is head of the house so therefore I don't feel its a womans place to minister in the church if man is head of the house then he surely should be head in the house of God not a female I don't believe in it and don't associate my self with churches that has female ministers
---melissa on 7/8/09


Miche, I am not reading anything into what you wrote and I am not insulted. I am sincerely trying to learn what you and probably many other women expect from your ideal Christian man.

You said that I know what the bible says as a man's duty as head of the family. Well, perhaps I don't. Could you show me some biblical references that explain a man's duty? Not simply that he should love his wife as himself, but how he would practice that in real life today and what exactly is "expected" as you put it.

When I said a man should stay home I simply meant that he should not leave his wife or family, not that he shouldn't work.
---ralph7477 on 7/8/09


I agree with many here, that church programs are largely led by women FOR women. And that may be because so few men make themselves available...which could be partly because of the female "spin". It's a vicious cycle.

Women may miss this...believing that what "ministers" to them, should do the same for anybody. I sympathize the guy who doesn't like "God is my boyfriend" type songs. Even as a woman, I get sick of them. God is SO much MORE! I hunger for a good expository Bible study, instead of a few verses taught to elicit emotional catharsis.

This may not apply to all churches, but IMHO many badly need BALANCE in worship services and other church activities. With it, more men might attend AND LEAD.
---Donna66 on 7/8/09


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I have been in prayer concerning God raising up mighty men in the Kingdom. It is wonderful that the women have been obedient to the calling that God has placed on their hearts for service. But men should be the spiritual leader's at home, in the public arena, at church, and on the mission field. I have witnessed many testamonies of men in the church that know they have been called to serve and minister and do not. They know that they are to take the lead and don't. I will continue asking God to give boldness to the men of the church and be obedient to what God has called them to do. Intercessors everywhere should be praying for mighty men to be raised up in the Kingdom.
---chdldry on 7/8/09


To whom it may concern:
At least as it regards the subjects of men, women, and women in ministry, Miche3754 is teaching error, and should be thought of as a false prophet, Matthew 7:15-20. She has been corrected several times, and by different people. Often, she does not read, or does not understand, the blogs addressed to her. She keeps making statements, and asking questions, that have been answered already. She is insensitive to the Lords direction. See Miche3754, Apologetics: Can A Woman Be A Pastor, also, Can A Woman Be A Bishop, Offended By Women Pastors.
Miche3754: Please take a copy of your blog entries, and the responses to them, to your 'Pastor'.
---Glenn on 7/8/09


Mary, 7/4/09:
You are overly sensitive, which is at type of selfishness. God will set you free if you ask him to, yet you will probablly be asked to apologize to some other people. Matthew 22:39, Mark 12:31, Romans 15:1-7, 1Corinthians 10:24, 13:5, 2Corintians 5:14-15, Ephesians 2:3, Phillipians 2:4, 21, 2Timothy 3:2, James 2:8.
Andy3996, 7/6/09:
Wow! I disagree with everything that you wrote. Please make your case.
---Glenn on 7/8/09


Ralph,
Please don't read more into what I said and please don't take insult from it.
You know what the Bible says about a man's duty as the Head of the family and in Christ and that's what I measure a man by.
And most don't follow or want the responsibility.
When we start talking about whats expected, their flesh gets pricked and they run.
I didn't say men should stay home. God says men are suppose to work. Women are suppose to work and help too-Proverbs 31. It takes 2. Men walk away all the time. They see a godly woman as a threat instead of a blessing. Man and woman should submit to each other and be 1 not 2.
---miche3754 on 7/8/09


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Leadership - Ephesians 1:22,5:23
Be responsible - 1 Cor. 4:1-2
Wife is helper, let her help and encourage her - Proverbs 31:28-31
Keep household under control - 1 Tim 3:12
Provide(physical & spiritual) - 1 Tim5:8, Eph. 5:26-27, 6:4
A Godly husband should put others before himself as Christ did. Men use Christ's example. Doesn't make man a wimp, makes man easier to love/respect.
If done, I guarantee that a true godly woman will submit love/respect her husband. The Bible says that the man must make the 1st step in correcting issues. He should love 1st as Christ/God loved us 1st.
Yes, a woman has her part but a man's is harder. I respect Godly men who are like this & I know plenty in my church body and on here.
---miche3754 on 7/8/09


Concerning this post
---Gary on 6/29/09
Instead of condemning and judging the woman(because she is doing what she is suppose to do as a mother), why aren't you asking WHY the husband isn't the one leading them to Church fellowship each week? What is he doing that is so important that he can't make time for God first in his life?
It is possible that the woman is trying to let her husband know that God is first in her life so why doesn't he join her instead of blaming her? The man is suppose to be the Spiritual leader of the household. Why does she have to be and why isn't he stepping up instead of making excuses?
HE should be taking HIS place in God where he suppose to be.
---miche3754 on 7/8/09


Miche, your points were very general so it sounds like all a man has to do is to stay home and be a good husband. I was hoping for some specifics.

For example, when you say "if men would endure as Christ", what kind of things would a man do to endure as Christ? Endure what exactly?

When you say that men are supposed to be the head, what duties are involved in being the head, as you see it?
---ralph7477 on 7/8/09


I do not visit a lot of churches but our church is roughly 50/50 men and women.

I think the underlying question is why do men stay away from church?

Simple, one word answer, SPORTS.

Our men are addicted to sports. Watching, participating, betting on, talking about, wishing they were there, sports.

We actually have people come to our early morning church service with their football watching clothes on, listen to the service, and go right from church to the stadium to tailgate.

Try carrying on a conversation with a man about anything and within minutes the subject will change to sports. Or politics.

If we could get all those men to cheer about Jesus like they cheer for their team....WOW!
---Mark_Eaton on 7/7/09


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Miche, when you say men should "step up", what specifically would a man need to do in order to meet your definition of stepping up?
---ralph7477 on 7/6/09
Christ starts in the home Ralph. Too many of our men are just giving up/walking away from that. Too many that abuse, too many that use the Word of God to keep women in bondage thinking they can do what ever they want when God says that a man should love his wife as he loves himself even as he loves God.
If men would endure as Christ, women would have more respect for them, & we would not have so many broken homes.
Men are suppose to be the head but most these days leave their positions. Im not saying women are perfect, Im saying that it starts with the men.
---miche3754 on 7/7/09


Miche, when you say men should "step up", what specifically would a man need to do in order to meet your definition of stepping up?
---ralph7477 on 7/6/09


Andy, God never gets tired and also no one can stop God working through the Holy Spirit because He is God. If there was, then that object or person would be more powerful then God. And I am here to tell you, no one is more powerful then God. You might think someone is doing just that, but you don't even know where God is working at, at any given time. In your mind you might think you know, but you have no idea what God is up to. No one has that ability.
---MarkV. on 7/6/09


too many men today dont realize that they are to be the spiritual leaders in their family.As with most people today they have let the ways of the world take over their lives,especially their thoughts.Worrying about the things of the flesh,the ways of the world,instead of looking up for all their needs.
---tom2 on 6/30/09
AMEN!!
If men would step up, God wouldnt call women.
Some men on here who should be good Christian men, set a bad example by being women bashers/chauvenists,they should be accepting responsibility,speaking as Godly men/setting a good example. Instead, they call women names, judge, say women who know God's word aren't Christian. What man wants to follow,if this is the only example they have of Good Christian men?
---miche3754 on 7/6/09


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and what if God is sick and tired of men taking so much contriol that even his Holy Spirit can no longer work? , men do nothing but inventing some new rulerpositions to become even bigger. furthermore, it is known that women leaders serve better whilst male leaders only want to be the biggest one in the block.
---andy3996 on 7/6/09


You know, Trav and Glenn and other chauvenists, a lot of the bitter stuff you say about women really hurts us. Deeply. We are half the church--a half the LORD cares about, even if you don't!
---Mary on 7/4/09


too many men today dont realize that they are to be the spiritual leaders in their family.---tom2 on 6/30/09

There is a truth stated Tom2.

The doctrinal wolves are partially to blame. Liars,money grubbers. So, it is up to us...to show what scripture really says.
Not all the pansie effeminate trash they push.
Churches that are Top heavy with women leaders are not going to be able to tell it. They are living it.

We should avoid them. Leave. Form your own.
The truth seekers from these churches will gravitate toward light of truth lived and strength.
---Trav on 7/2/09


too many men today dont realize that they are to be the spiritual leaders in their family.As with most people today they have let the ways of the world take over their lives,especially their thoughts.Worrying about the things of the flesh,the ways of the world,instead of looking up for all their needs.
---tom2 on 6/30/09


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My church is also top heavy with women in the leadership.

I suspect that men are not assertive enough when it comes to leadership roles but otoh, women seem to have more time at their disposal then men who are in the working class.

It is not a good idea to complain too much as all too often those that do so, may very well be provided with a job within the leadership and it can be a lot of work.
---Lee1538 on 6/30/09


It depends on the church. Our church has a mens' fraternity with lots of activities like mentoring, prayer breakfasts, steak dinners, nights at the ballgame etc..There is a motorcycle club.

The music style has a lot to do with it too. Men are not attracted to femminine music, or Jesus is my boyfreind worship songs.

The sermons should include a lot of development stuff for men. Like, Christian witness in the workplace, being a good father/husband, etc...

We probably have 50-50 men/women at our church, and whole families involved since there is a huge youth progam, and a lot of activities throughout the year for the whole family like concerts and commedy nights.

They also send families on mission trips.
---obewan on 6/30/09


I know men who say the church is harming their marriage. Their wife is always at the church or doing a church function and seldom home with her husband. Sunday service. Tuesday music rehearsal. Wednesday bible study. Thursday ?? Seems there is always something going on. The wife and/or children attending these church services so often affects the family life. I have seen marriages come close to failing because the wife is always at church. This turns men away from the church. They see the church ruining their family life. Pastors need to get a job and spend less time at the church and let families live their own lives during the week. Full-time pastors is not biblical.
---Gary on 6/29/09


Glen, excellent points!

Also many churches have retreated into feelings rather than presenting Scripture as ultimate truth, the historical revelation of the Creator God, right from page one.

See 2 Co. 10:4 which says there are 'strongholds' against Biblical belief, which we are to to demolish!

See 1 Peter 3:15 which tells us to be ready to 'give the reason for the hope that you have.'

Today one powerful 'stronghold' is evolution. However many churches say it doesn't matter, maybe God used evolution......

These churches, and there are many of them, have retreated into feelings centred fluff which turns many (especially men) off. Men want real life answers, not only feelings.
---Warwick on 6/30/09


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1/2
A man walks in and sees the baby blue speckled paint scheme, the pastel burgundy colored carpet, and the lacquered vases tastefully filled with wheat stalks and lily's. He sings several love songs in a range that he can't reach. The man hears a woman-man, or a man-woman give an insipid message. He ponders as to why she talked about spiritual warfare, and he kept talking about feelings and sentiments. If a church is male oriented, they'll bring their women. If a congregation has a female bias, the men stay home. Most churches are doing things more of interest to women, and why do they do this *1? Women tend to show their approval by opening their purses, and men tend to shake ones hand and say 'well done'.
---Glenn on 6/29/09


2/2
Godly manly ministry *2 is moribund in many congregations, i.e. preaching the gospel, true evangelism, raising the dead, healing the sick, casting out devils, restoring that which was stolen, etc. A Mixing of Christianity with anything else doesn't work *3.
*1) Psalm 101:7, Ezekiel 34, Matthew 10:16, Acts 20:29-31, 2Corinthians 2:17, 4:1-6, 1Timothy 3:3, 8, James 3, 1John 2:15-29.
*2) Diversities of gifts, ministrations, & workings: Acts 14:3, Romans 12:1-8, 1Corinthians 12 (4-11), 14:1-40, Ephesians 4:11-16, Hebrews 2:4, 1Peter 4:9-11.
Ministries & Operations: 1Corinthians 12:27-30, 14:26, Ephesians 4:11, 5:19, Colossians 3:16.
*3) Leviticus 26:14-39, Judges, Psalm 81:11-16, Colossians 2:8, Revelations 3:15-16.
---Glenn on 6/27/09


Patie:

From my own experiences, reading ministry articles, and talking to other men, the following statistics seem to apply to many, if not all, USA churches:

With the exception of pastoral jobs, close to 100% of "ministry" jobs seem to be done by women. This includes: prayer, music, cooking, children's ministries, gardening, cleaning, etc.

100% of men always get the "labor" jobs: construction, remodeling, building and car repairs, landscaping, moving furniture, painting, etc.

I often hear men complain that "Men's Ministry" is nothing but more work. Many men don't want more work and no ministry. They want to be an active part of the church. However, many churches fail to see that.
---Sag on 6/25/09


I will divide by answer by percentage to give it the meaning i want
5% - may be it is just the toll of population,
we are told more women in the system and more being born?

90%- women are more sensitive to God


4%- women get emotional support from being in such groups?

1%- Maybe the men find it difficult submitting to a fellow man?

ok so how many men answer blogs often? and what kinds of blogs do we have more men answering?

Do i like statistics?
---patie3447 on 6/25/09


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"Quite simply, God is LOVE. Women are more likely to understand the deep sentiment of adoration love (Luke 7:38) and have living water in their heart (John 7:38)."

Ugh. If this is the kind of stuff I heard in church every week I wouldn't go either. Church, as with much of society, has become feminized. Sure, men are at fault by going along with it because they don't want to rock the boat or get browbeaten for not being in touch with their sensitive side, or some such nonsense.

Love is a verb. Love is action, doing. Doing the work of God. Churches that do work have no shortage of men.
---ralph7477 on 6/25/09


Men have become lazy with the things of God. I think it extends beyond church attendance.
---zach8765 on 6/25/09


Quite simply, God is LOVE. Women are more likely to understand the deep sentiment of adoration love (Luke 7:38) and have living water in their heart (John 7:38).

LOVE is the single most important part of being Godly because it sums up/encompasses everything that God is. If you have not love, you are NOTHING (1 Coronthians chapter 13).
---more_excellent_way on 6/25/09


Cluny, you are Orthodox? Cool!
---eric1968 on 6/24/09


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I think that a lot of men have been discouraged in one way or another. In the USA at least, churches seem to be "women" clubs that are run by "men". This was NEVER the way that Jesus Christ wanted his church to be. Churches might provide a great setting for women and children. For men, churches are another "must do" task that many probably get little benefit from. Therefore, many men don't attend.

I've heard that the men you do seen in church are often there for other reasons. Such as: finding potential dates, spending "family time" with their wives and kids, and just checking to see if the church has any good activities just for "men".
---Sag on 6/24/09


The problem in the church today is a reflection of end times prophecy,and mans nature to be disobidient to Gods will and word.Society today has changed women also making them less obidient to their husbands.Now before all you gals out there go crazy on me,stop and think about what I just said,then think about it for awhile.Now Iam not talking about blind obidience where a man is mistreating his wife,but in general terms women are not following scriptural obidience,and in many cases justly so,because neither are their husbands,but are they right in doing so?When someone isn,t doing what they should,does that meaqn you should follow their example?
---tom2 on 6/24/09


Depends on whose church you go to.

In my experience in Orthodox Churches, especially with large numbers of converts, it's mostly men.
---Cluny on 6/23/09


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