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Our youth pastor has a tattoo of a cross on his arm. He relates with the teenagers well and they are getting more involved in Church. Is the tattoo setting a bad example?

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Seems to me that a tattoo is a minor consideration, in comparison to the care he shows for young people and the clarity with which he teaches the Gospel to them.
---Donna66 on 7/9/09


nurserobert- Fine with me after all this time. But I cannot understand why you don't answer my question about Leviticus 18.
---Betty on 7/9/09


cluny- I can't help but wonder about you. (1) Stigma/stigmata does mean tattoo in Latin & you yourself proved it with a quote of Lev. 19:28 in Latin form on this blog. (2) Where did you learn to spell beastiality that way (3) I'm not fascinated with it, but it is a good example of this fact: not everything that used to be wrong according to the OT is right to do now (4) Lev.19:28 where tattoos are forbidden is in the OT along with Lev. 18. Tattoos were forbidden: so was human sacrifice, incest and beastiality. They were wrong then & they're wrong now. Obviously.
---Betty on 7/9/09


\\ trish- God already decided. If you were led by the Spirit of God, wouldn't you be able to see that in any year or generation, such sins as are mentioned in Leviticus 18 (human sacrifice, incest, beastiality) are an abomination to God?\\

betty, Leviticus 19 also mentions wearing two different kinds of cloth at the same time.

Since the chapter and verse divisions are not in the original, then it follows that this is on the same moral level as bestiality.

And why do you keep on bringing up something that never crosses the minds of decent people?:
---Cluny on 7/9/09


\\Stigmata=tattoo. Many more places online to look up tattoo.\\

I did, and I've already given proof that "stigma" means BRAND in Latin, and has nothing to do with the Latin word for "tattoo."

\\ Did you mean that just because beastiality is illegal in the land in which we live, we don't do it?\\

Well, I've been waiting for you to play the bestiality card (note the proper spelling, btw).

betty, I don't know why you're so fascinated with it, or what it has to do with tattoos. After all, YOU are the one who keeps on bringing ti up.

Or do you just equate everything you don't like, or every Scriptural interpretation you disagree with, to bestiality?
---Cluny on 7/8/09




Betty, I DID point out to you where you were wrong and see no need to revisit this. You have made up your mind, you have closed your heart to what God says. When you can't handle valid arguments, you stoop to insults and diversions.

There is nothing more we can do for you..

God bless you.
---NurseRobert on 7/8/09


trish- God already decided. If you were led by the Spirit of God, wouldn't you be able to see that in any year or generation, such sins as are mentioned in Leviticus 18 (human sacrifice, incest, beastiality) are an abomination to God? The Bible said that God said Do Not Do Those Things. Do you think it is right to do those things these days? As for the word tattoo: trish, cluny on 7-3-09 quoted Leviticus 19:28 in Latin form. Why don't you read it. Stigmata=tattoo. Many more places online to look up tattoo. Did you mean that just because beastiality is illegal in the land in which we live, we don't do it? Does that mean you would if it was not a crime in the land in which you live?
---Betty on 7/8/09


nurserobert- How did I miss seeing some of your posts of 7-1-09? In re to those: crew cuts were considered to be daring and not the norm. I grew up in the 50's & 60's & I guess I know something about it. Traditional Christianity is what people like you rebel against. The Holy Spirit let me know that my heart is fine. Surely it does not need defrosting just because I point out scriptures against things like tattoos. People like you say that there is no right and wrong. Isn't that the way Satan wanted people to think? Please tell me what I interpreted wrong about Lev. 18? Do you think human sacrifice, beastiality & incest are right? Or do you think God still says NO.
---Betty on 7/8/09


betty
you seem to be the product of a system that says we must live out the law in order to be continue to be saved . Grace is not understood because it is not taught other and you get it when you are saved but this kind of faith is not the lauguage of the bible thus you cannot understand that all sins Past Present and future have been forgiven I do not blame you I blame your pastor .
---willow on 7/8/09


Betty since you have not answered the 2 questions I asked you

I will state 2 things

1) iam wondering will answer with your sinful flesh like you have done in the past.

2) remember you must Keep all the LAW and your posts prove you do not. Betty you are a sinful person, and you cannot fix it because there is no more animal sacrifice. you cannot fix it but Jesus the Lamb of GOD who takes away the sin of the world has because He loves you betty. I pray for you that you can see the grace. the faith that GOD gave you to recieve Christ it the same faith the shows you grace and its free and always in you remember proof it there is the sin you now HATE was the sin you did without thought.
I love you in Christ Betty
---willow on 7/8/09




Park your car in the hospital parking lot and sit on it. ---Betty on 7/6/09

What a wonderful Christian thing to say. Is this the best you can come up with? Can you back that up with Scripture?

Betty, you still pick and choose, and interpret incorrectly. My prayers remain with you.
---NurseRobert on 7/7/09


Betty, why does a supposed Levitical prohibition against tattoos (which is arguaable) still apply today when the direct prohibition against wearing two kinds of cloth or blended fabrics does NOT apply today?
---Cluny on 7/7/09


Betty: The online Greek dictionaries refer to stigma as a mark or brand. One Latin dictionary, Babylon, shows this definition for stigma

"mark hot tattooed on runaway slaves/criminals, reproduction of Christ's wounds"

I don't see your point about either stigma or tattoo, in the context of Leviticus forbidding them. Leviticus forbids a lot of stuff, and we are to obey the ones that are legal issues in the land in which we live. We don't just pick and choose which law is appropriate for today, and which is not. Beastiality is illegal. Tattoos are not illegal.
---Trish on 7/7/09


Betty said, "Only using one chapter in the OT as an example, isn't it obvious that we have to sift through to see what is in force today?"

Betty: Who decides what is in force today? You? Some pastor?
---Trish9863 on 7/7/09


cluny- No, I do not read the Bible to condemn others. If I point out scripture that turns out to condemn others, people should recognize the fact that I didn't write the Bible. It is not I that condemn them, but the Biblical verses themselves. The Bible is said to be the inspired Word of God. Any that feel rebuked by Bible verses should be aware that perhaps the Holy Spirit is alerting them to something they need to change in their lives or reasoning. Stigma does mean tattoo in latin/greek. Look it up in more than one source.
---Betty on 7/7/09


In other words, Betty, you hopscotch your way through Leviticus, choosing some things and rejecting others, if I read your lines right (not reading between them). Something tells me you read the Bible to find things to condemn other people, but nothing to apply to yourself.

I've offered proof that "stigma" does not mean "tatto" but "brand". You've offered no proof for YOUR claim that it does.

Betty locuta est is no proof.

Finally, I know the idea that I have a tattoo makes you feel spiritually superior. But this is just one more time when your reading between the lines is as wrong as your actual reading of their denotations.
---Cluny on 7/6/09


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cluny- Only using one chapter in the OT as an example, isn't it obvious that we have to sift through to see what is in force today? Do YOU think it is no longer a sin or abomination to God if we commit incest, beastiality or human sacrifice? Leviticus 18.

You yourself helped prove stigma, stigmata by posting the Latin version of Leviticus 19:28. Furthermore, if any want any more proof that stigma means tattoo, they can look up stigma & usually find the greek or latin meaning.
---Betty on 7/6/09


nurserobert- Park your car in the hospital parking lot and sit on it. God cares what is in your heart and mind, but He also cares about the outside appearance. Exodus 19:10 God said He wanted the people to wash their clothes. Matthew 6:17 Jesus said, "But thou, when thou fastest...wash thy face...." Clothes and faces are outside appearances.
---Betty on 7/6/09


\\I read between the lines.\\

You read between the lines so carefully that you actually MISS what the lines themselves say, Betty, if you reaction to my posts are any indication.

\\You defended tattoos in response to a post I made. ... Yet, such chapters as Leviticus 18 should be sufficient proof that some things are still in force today. Plus the fact God forbade tattoos.\\

Leviticus also forbids wearing two different kinds of cloth at one time or blended fabrics.

Do you observe this prohibition as well, Betty, or do you pick and choose which prohibitions you decide are in force?
---Cluny on 7/3/09


BETTY
I have and it appears you want to burden us Gentiles with rules that the Jews could not keep.

I have 2 questions for you

1)DO you sin according to the LAW you preach?

2)Did Jesus die on the Cross for all sin or not?

I am not trying to trap you I am trying to get you to see GODs Grace and love. legalists cannot believe this because they try to one up every one to show themselves superior. actually in the light of Gods holiness we are begger to begger. deaf dumb blind and naked.
---willow on 7/3/09


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God looks at the outside as well as the inside.---Betty on 7/3/09

I didn't say, God said it.Please reread 1 Samuel 16:6-7.

And, once again, you misuse scripture for your own goals. But it does prove my point.

Matthew 6:16-18 is about hypocrites who use OUTWARDLY appearances to show humility. God tells us not to put on sack cloth and ashes to impress people, but to fast in private so that "it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen, and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (Matt 16:18)

Outwardly appearances don't matter to God, only what is in your heart.

---NurseRobert on 7/3/09


\\ cluny- I never did profess to be a Latinist.\\

Therefore, you cannot prove that the Latin word for "tattoo" is "stigma" as you asserted (and you demanded I disprove), now can you?
---Cluny on 7/3/09


willow- I've read Acts 15 a lot. Have you read Leviticus 18? Is beastiality permitted by God? Is incest permitted by God? For example.
---Betty on 7/3/09


nurserobert- I don't see all the posts I made on this blog yesterday - there were some to you. Leviticus 18 forbids incest, human sacrifice and beastiality. Do you think now that we are under a New Covenant, and under grace, that we are permitted to indulge in those sins? NO. Therefore, some of the laws in the Old Testament are meant for today as well. Do you disagree with that? Don't fool yourself - God looks at the outside as well as the inside. God told them to wash their clothes before they assembled at Mt. Sinai. Aren't they outside appearance? Jesus said when you fast wash your face (Matthew 6:17).
---Betty on 7/3/09


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cluny- I never did profess to be a Latinist. Do you prefer Leviticus 19:28 in English or Latin? What am I supposed to learn from your joke? Well, if you didn't believe it in the English form, maybe you'll believe it in the Latin. Tattoo for you, cluny. Doesn't that mean return to your quarters? Figure that out.
---Betty on 7/3/09


Betty, I know I'll never be the Latinist you are. The only word I recongize here is "stigmata," which means "brands."

Can you render this passage?

et super mortuo non incidetis carnem vestram neque figuras aliquas et stigmata facietis vobis ego dominus
---Cluny on 7/3/09


Betty: Well, your reading between the lines is off kilter a bit. I am neither for nor against tatooes. I do not have one, but I will not condemn anyone who gets one.

You did not answer about eating beef fat, or pork. Do you or don't you? Do you obey ALL of the Levitical law, or not?
---Trish9863 on 7/2/09


Plus the fact God forbade tattoos.
---Betty on 7/2/09

Unless you were "all the congregation of the people of Israel"(Leviticus 19:2) no, He didn't.

---NurseRobert on 7/2/09


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Betty, you remind me of Samuel when he saw Eliab. He said "Surely the LORD's anointed stands here before the LORD."

But God told Samuel "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

(1 Samuel 16:6-7)

You focus on the outside. God focus is on the inside.
---NurseRobert on 7/2/09


trish- No, I don't need glasses, or reading lessons. Sometimes I think you do, though. I read between the lines. You defended tattoos in response to a post I made. You gave some examples that were supposed to prove or insinuate tattoos were alright now that we're living under grace under a New Covenant. Yet, such chapters as Leviticus 18 should be sufficient proof that some things are still in force today. Plus the fact God forbade tattoos.
---Betty on 7/2/09


\\
cluny- Prove me wrong if the latin word for tattoo is not stigma.\\

Betty, when you prove me wrong that you don't hopscotch your way through Leviticus, deciding what prohibitions you observe and which you don't, but that in fact you observe ALL of them, then I'll discuss proving something I never said to start with.

Fair enough?

In any case, I did a cursory search of several on-line Latin-English/English-Latin dictionaries.

NONE of them rendered "stigma" as "tattoo." They all gave the definition as "brand".

The English word "tatto" is rendered as "nota/ae" or "compugno" in various forms, but never "stigma."
---Cluny on 7/2/09


Betty
Did you read Acts 15 or not?
---willow on 7/2/09


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willow- yesterday I answered you, too, though I don't know what happened to that answer. I did not twist scripture-I quoted it. Some people just hate that Bible verse about tattoos. What about the laws in Leviticus 18:6-18 that say thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of ________. Shall we consider those laws obsolete? What about Leviticus 18:23 concerning beastiality? Do you think since we are under grace under the New Covenant that we have permission to commit that abomination? For centuries Christians have regarded tattoos as pagan.
---Betty on 7/2/09


NurseRobert: "The entire chapter of Lev 19 was written to the people of Israel, not to you."

On the contrary. In the beginning, the Israelites, the chosen people of God, were to bring the message to the world. They defied God and kept it to themselves. Read the first couple of books of the bible.
---Steveng on 7/1/09


There is scripture concerning this, but I'm sure that it gets interpreted differently many times. If you view a tattoo as "sinning" yes it is a bad example. Talk to him about scripture concerning this and how he interprets it. He might have found himself in the right when he did this. They can make sound decisions for themselves usually, but also realize that if you get someone else as the youth minister, this might make them angry and go to church less often. However, they should be following God and not man anyways, if that is what they are doing (following man.)
---amand6348 on 7/1/09


Betty: You either need new glasses or reading lessons. Reread my post. Nowhere in there did I say I love tatoos.
---Trish9863 on 7/1/09


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Betty, I happen to know that crew cuts were popular and considered the norm in the 50s and even as far back at 1890, where the term was coined. They were far from daring.

Actually, I feel very much at peace with God and have no conviction from the Holy Spirit as far at tattoos. Unlike you, I don't look at the physical appearance of a person, but what is in their heart. From your posts, in blog after blog, you show you are much more concerned with outwardly appearances. God certainly does not worry about that.
---NurseRobert on 7/1/09


Trashy Graffiti? According to whom? And what is "traditional Christianity". Christian worship has changed dramatically over the past 2000 years.

I stand by my statement. I pray the Holy Spirit defrosts your heart.
---NurseRobert on 7/1/09


Betty

I am not defending Nurse Robert I am defending GOds word
---willow on 7/1/09


trish- I didn't know you were a lover of tattoos. The history of tattoos goes back to pagan devil-worship & witchcraft. 1Corinthians 6:19 informs Christians that we are the temple of the Holy Ghost. Does He want trashy graffiti on His temple, especially since it was never a Christian practice? Let the Name of the Lord be magnified. Ephesians 4:17 "...walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind...." Eph. 5:11 "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." Acts 11:3 Peter was accused of eating with the Gentiles. The Lord had shown him in a vision, while Peter was hungry, that the ban was lifted from the unclean meats & not to discriminate against non-Jews.
---Betty on 7/1/09


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cluny- Prove me wrong if the latin word for tattoo is not stigma. Did I say I found it on the internet? Tattoos, in contrast to cloth, have a pagan history. They were used by devil-worshippers & witches. A Christian's body is the temple of the Holy Spirit & we are supposed to walk in spirit and in truth: not like the pagans. God said we are not to learn their ways, and for centuries, Christianity has declared tattoos to be pagan & forbidden. Only rebellious Christians want to wear tattoos so they can show their rebellion against traditional Christianity. Phillipians 4:8 what virtue, good report & praise is there about tattoos?
---Betty on 7/1/09


dearnurserobert- I happen to know crew cuts were not considered the norm back in the 50s & 60s. They were considered a bit daring. At once be aware that my heart is not frozen, though you may wish it was. My need is not to ask God to help me like tattoos, earrings for men, long hair for men, etc. Maybe you need to ask God for the Holy Spirit of God to give you His view on matters. I hope you pray to receive the Holy Spirit. People who deviate from the norm, as in tattoos, are rebellious against tradition. In this case, Christian tradition. God looks on the outward and the inward, and He expects both to be right. Sour grapes 2u, nurserobert. It's not normal to give them, but that how you like things-not normal.
---Betty on 7/1/09


nurserobert- Maybe we should pick and choose from the Bible. Do you think the law about beastiality is obsolete also? Leviticus 18:23 "Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto...." What about Lev. 18:21 "And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the Name of thy God...." Are we permitted to commit those sins because we are not from ancient Israel? I happen to know that beastiality, human sacrifice, and profaning the Name of God are sins in any time, any country, no matter who you are.
---Betty on 7/1/09


How can you glorify God AND defile the body?
---Steveng on 6/30/09

Who said getting a tattoo is defiling the body? You paint your house don't you?
---NurseRobert on 7/1/09


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Betty, Exodus 21:7 says I can sell my daughter into slavery. Should I do that?
Lev 25:44 says I can own slaves (but I have to get them from a different country). In Lev 19:27 God commanded me not to get my hair trimmed around the temples. I guess I will be condemmed for that.

The entire chapter of Lev 19 was written to the people of Israel, not to you. You need to learn to read for context and not just pick and chose verses from the Bible.
---NurseRobert on 6/30/09


Betty
why are you and so many others taking the scriptures and twisting them to prove a point.
If you are going to use scripture to prove a point please use them in context example Lev 19:28 does state what you claim and more but here is the danger, if you are going to live by the Law then you must live by ALL the law. you can't pick and choose, either we live by all the Law of the old testament or the grace of Christ Jesus who fufilled the Law. now lets look at the early church in acts 15 James and Peter said the Jews and even themselves could not keep the Law and how could they burden the Gentiles such with bondage.
blessing
---willow on 6/30/09


Secondly, since when is "deviation from the norm" wrong? Who decides what is the "norm"?

Years ago, crew cuts were the "norm". Then men started wearing their hair long and were considered abnormal. Then IT became the norm..

You say I cheer for the abnormal. Well, the big difference between you and me is that you look at outwardly appearances. I look at what is in a persons heart. If they look different than me.... SO WHAT? Does that make them less of a child of God?

You still need to ask God to unfreeze your heart. My prayers are that you will see that need.
---NurseRobert on 6/30/09


\\ Check out Leviticus 19:28 "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."\\

And do you eat shellfish or bacon or cheeseburgers?

Do you wear two kinds of cloth on your body or blended fabrics?

These are forbidden in Leviticus as well.

\\Printing marks upon you = tattoos. Hey, the Latin word for tattoo was stigma. Tattoos are definitely pagan and garish. I've read some places that in ancient times they had something to do with witchcraft.\\

And of course, everything you read, especially on the internet, is always 100% historically and factually accurate, right?
---Cluny on 6/30/09


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celtic-cry: "why cant a tattoo glorify GOD? please show me in GODs word In CONTEXT where you are not saved for getting a tat or having a tat?"

How can you glorify God AND defile the body?
---Steveng on 6/30/09


Betty: In examining Leviticus, I am curious about you.

Do you eat totally lean beef? Leviticus says you are not to eat the fat from cattle, sheep or goats.

Do you eat pork, bacon, ham? Leviticus says you are not to eat any pork.

Do you eat lobster, shrimp, scallops, or any other shellfish? It is forbidden in Leviticus to eat any such seafood.

Do you have children? Leviticus says that after the birth of a son you are forbidden to enter church for 33 days and after the birth of a daughter you are forbidden to enter church for 66 days, as you would be ceremonially unclean during that time period.

I sure hope you are living according to these guidelines.
---Trish9863 on 6/30/09


nurserobert- Wherever there is deviation from the norm, there you are in the cheering section. You said there is nothing in the Bible against tattoos. Check out Leviticus 19:28 "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD." Printing marks upon you = tattoos. Hey, the Latin word for tattoo was stigma. Tattoos are definitely pagan and garish. I've read some places that in ancient times they had something to do with witchcraft. God did not say, "Thou shalt not drive a car" but He did say, "Ye shall not print any marks upon you". See also 1Corinthians 6:19-20.
---Betty on 6/30/09


\\Do you believe the tattoo was of faith????
---mima on 6/24/09\\

It can well be an expression of faith.

Beautiful crosses tattooed on the right hand or forehead are considered a great act of piety and faith by Ethiopian women and monks.

It's for two reasons: to avoid being confused for Mahometans, and to keep from getting the Mark of the Beast.

Do you think there's any real intrinsic difference between getting a cross tattooed and wearing one around the neck?

Either one can be an expression of faith--or a mere fashion statement. Only God knows the heart.
---Cluny on 6/30/09


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\\Good habits. Wearing clothes is natural because God clothed Adam and Eve Himself. Cluny, I think you must have a tattoo.\\

Why? Because I disagreed with you?

Does it make you feel superior in some way to think I do?

Same to you, btw, Carla.
---Cluny on 6/29/09


Look closely at the last phrase in this verse." FOR WHATSOEVER IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN".
Do you believe the tattoo was of faith????
---mima on 6/24/09

Does this mean that driving a car, or reading a book, other than the Bible, or watching a TV show other than a televanglist a sin?

Careful who you are casting stones at.
---NurseRobert on 6/29/09


"Tattoos were forbidden according to the Bible." ---Betty on 6/26/09

NO, they weren't.

"Furthermore, tattoos are garish, and pagan."
---Betty on 6/26/09

No, they aren't

"Jesus didn't tattoo a cross on himself, why should we? ---Betty on 6/26/09

Jesus didn't drive a car or watch TV either, why should you?

Are you always so critical of other Christians?
---NurseRobert on 6/29/09


Steveng

Question

why cant a tattoo glorify GOD? please show me in GODs word In CONTEXT where you are not saved for getting a tat or having a tat?
---celtic-cry on 6/29/09


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If he is relating well to the youth and, as a result, they are becoming more involved in church, I would have to answer that 'no, he is not setting a bad example'. Sounds like just the opposite, in fact.
---AlwaysOn on 6/29/09


cluny- What's your problem. Did Steveng hurt your feelings? Shaving & cutting hair are grooming matters. Good habits. Wearing clothes is natural because God clothed Adam and Eve Himself. Cluny, I think you must have a tattoo.
---Betty on 6/29/09


//It's not natural to the ways of God.//

Neither are jewelery, make-up, cutting the hair, shaving, or clothes, for that matter.

We also die (as long as Jesus tarries) and that's "unnatural" to the ways of God, too.
---Cluny on 6/28/09


The body is not yours, it is God's. Placing tatoos on the temple of God is like graffiti which destroys the temple. It's not natural to the ways of God. God did not give us permission to destroy his temple. It's of natural beauty as it is without the tatoos.

Besides, does tatooing a cross on the temple of God glorify the person or glorify God?
---Steveng on 6/27/09


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//
I'm glad you recognize my knowledge, Carla.

Take advantage of it.//
---Cluny on 6/26/09

YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS CARNAL BUT GODS KNOWLEDGE is Spiritual Which Takes an Understanding You would not be here merely bragging about You would be Supreme in Teaching It!

Mat 23:12
And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased, and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

minute piece of: Wisdom/Knowledge!
---Carla3939 on 6/27/09


//I don't have any menses for your contention I'm breast feeding however do you? since your chief on scripture knowledge especially when the Old Law although observed, as Gentiles was never written for our sake//
---Carla3939 on 6/25/09

I'm glad you recognize my knowledge, Carla.

Take advantage of it.
---Cluny on 6/26/09


Tattoos were forbidden according to the Bible. Furthermore, tattoos are garish, and pagan. Just because he chose a cross to mark his skin does not mean it is right. Jesus didn't tattoo a cross on himself, why should we? Jesus bore the cross for us. The real one. Wearing a tattooed cross does not make you more of a Christian, nor does it show you love Jesus any more than anyone else. It just shows you ruined your skin with a tattoo, and you now look weird.
---Betty on 6/26/09


Cluny,
Sorry posted two comments on wrong blog whist editing another response and completely messed up. Tired (I'm off to bed)Zzzzzzzzzzz!

//I don't have any menses for your contention I'm breast feeding however do you? since your chief on scripture knowledge especially when the Old Law although observed, as Gentiles was never written for our sake//
---Carla3939 on 6/25/09


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\\ Just another issue of disobedience it's alright the people coming to church through him I know of a guy saved through a dead friend. people do as they please regardless of Bible scripture against markings of the flesh,\\

Carla, the Bible also says that women are to sleep in separate beds from their husbands during their menses because they are then abominations.

If you're married, do you observe this?
---Cluny on 6/25/09


We are to judge whether someone is right or wrong by measuring up what we do by the word now the person questioned the right or wrong of the tattoo setting a bad example not me. I merely answered with a clear understanding of what scripture says. I have friends that had tattoo's and just to be viewed as a better person and get a job they had the very ugly and painful task then 15/20 years ago to have them removed how much a Minister of the Gospel of Christ It's not required to have one now is it??

Just to stir up ya pure mind

SalomeX
---Carla3939 on 6/24/09


Mima, when I blow my nose I generally am not thinking in terms of faith. By your reasoning, then, blowing my nose is a sin, since it is not done out of faith.
---eric1968 on 6/24/09


HMMMM the Pastor has a tattoo of a cross relates to the youth and the ministry is expanding and we are worried he is a sinner lol What it wrong here? is it the pastor or our culture?

I have a Celtic warriors braid tattoo on my right forearm and it a reminder to me that I am warrior in Christ and never to be afraid because I am doing His work.

Mima if we are in Christ then how is a a sin if it is to glorify Christ?
---celtic-cry on 6/24/09


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Sounds like this pastor might have come from Jimmy Buffet's parrotheads. Tattoos, drinking, and womanizing were part of their having fun. Perhaps he can explain to the youth that there ARE other, safer, ways to have fun.

A youth pastor with a tattoo might not be the "best" example for kids, but then we are all not the "best" example for others. In one way or another. We are all sinners. I would just accept this youth pastor for who he is. It sounds like he has a real gifting with reaching youth.


---Sag on 6/24/09


Let us check out whether or not getting a tattoo is sinful or not?
Going to Romans 14:23 we find,
"23-And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin."
Look closely at the last phrase in this verse." FOR WHATSOEVER IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN".
Do you believe the tattoo was of faith????
---mima on 6/24/09


It is not your concern. He cannot have it removed. He made a choice you think MIGHT be a sin, yet the only scripture on the matter is in Old Testament Law. Do you follow the Law to the letter? Probably not. If you do not follow the Law to the letter, don't concern yourself with this man's body art.
---Trish9863 on 6/23/09


There is no prohibition against tattoos in the Bible except for Israelites. Gentiles can get tattoos and eat pork and work on Shabbat. All those laws have nothing th do with youth pastors.
---eric1968 on 6/23/09


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So, Carla, are you saying this youth pastor is "unrighteous" because he has a tattoo? It could be that he got the tattoo before he became a christian and a youth pastor. Not everyone lives behind closed doors and always do right. Many people are saved and called into ministry in order to provide an avenue for those who have made major mistakes, perhaps even gotten tattoos. Don't judge the individual by their outward appearance. Only God knows their heart, and only He should be judging anyone's righteousness.
---tommy3007 on 6/23/09


Just another issue of disobedience it's alright the people coming to church through him I know of a guy saved through a dead friend. people do as they please regardless of Bible scripture against markings of the flesh, Just don't be surprised if you go to him for healing and you get up even more sick than when you started, The bible speaks about a prayer of a righteous man avaith much!
---Carla3939 on 6/23/09


The commandment not to put permanent marks on the body applies ONLY if the kashuroth rules still apply to Gentile Christians.

In any case, that's his buisness, not mine or yours.
---Cluny on 6/23/09


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