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Churches Are Big Business

Are Churches Just Corporations?

I find the majority of churches to be basically:

1. Ways to take money and use for frivilous endeavors.
2. Not passionate for the Bible, but more for their (denominational)traditions?
3. A 'social picnic'
4. Lukewarm sermons

Do you agree?

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 ---Anne on 6/26/09
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Obviously it can be turned into one. You have masons and Jesuit infiltrations. You have purpose driven life saying that the choice of music is the most important thing rather than the Gospel of Christ.

and obviously church needs money to run and sending missionaries, supporting pastors, printing tracts cost money.

It's a matter of the heart and how much we are ignoring the Gospel.
---Jake on 8/22/09

No, I don't agree. Although I believe it is more important to be the church, than to go to church, I do believe that the assembling of ourselves has purpose. I also know that there are some ministries as you've described. However, there are some that do not spend frivolously and who are very passionate about the Bible. Admittedly, it does take some seeking to find a church like this, but they do exist and being a partner in a good church is a blessing.
---AlwaysOn on 8/13/09

acts, gentiles who became converts supported the growth of church. paul & other disciples DID NOT PROFIT from the money that were given to them. in fact paul work to support the church. they knew they would suffer, persecuted & struggle for the gospel

in acts 5:1 ananias & his wife were greedy & coveteous they took money for themselves. I see many televangelist smiling claiming that they are at peace with all the money & 'worldly possesions' they have. pastors should return the money to those who support them not keep them. giving churches tax breaks are like profits put into their pockets.

it's like a corp. collecting money from employees for UNITED Way, then submit as a tax break to earn more profit.
---mike on 8/11/09

You have a bible, read it. make sure the church you attend is in accordance with it. Its your responsibility to make sure what the pastor says is by the bible.

the bible says there will be false prophets.

The problem is that people don't read there bible, they don't know who God really is, And they think that God will bend rules for them because his caring and loving.

God will never be a lier, so whatever warnings he gives listen. And you add that on top of all the other commands that he gives. And do do them all..
---batieste on 7/22/09

The unfortunate and hard truth (severely hard) that society needs to realize and accept is that the "church of man" (moneychanger empire) is the apostate church and has taught many false beliefs and practices since Antioch.

Acts 11:26
"in Antioch the disciples were first called Christians".

In Paul's time, many Jews, Hebrews, Greeks, Ethiopians, etc. were beginning to understand a new devotion but didn't want to completely shed their old ways (in his letters, Paul was constantly addressing this). They decided to choose a new name for devotion that was agreeable to all of them and clearly distinguished from the old "Moses law devotion".

In John 14:6, Jesus said "I am THE WAY...".
---more_excellent_way on 7/22/09

In John 14:6, Jesus said "I am THE WAY...".

Acts 24:22...a Roman official speaks to Paul about Pauls devotion...

"But Felix, having a rather accurate knowledge of THE WAY".

The "DEPTHS of God" (1 Corinthians 2:10) can only be learned by those who reject the spiritualism of the 6th day creation (man) and wants to have a "love devotion" because they love GOD (not the bible, etc.) and His ways.

In speaking of a true devotion, Jesus said that we must comparatively "hate" even our own "mother and father"...

...which means that our devotion/love for God must be so polarized that we would even violate everything we've ever been taught.
---more_excellent_way on 7/22/09

On tv,tbn & other even some radio broadcast they are there for filthy lucres sake,to live their lavish life-styles. These ministers(2nd Cori 11 v's 14-15,blind guides)really dont care about your soul,they make you think they care with all their hoopla,BUT they dont.
---Lawrence on 7/8/09

this is oh so true, and it is everywher in the world. here in africa, i've started a church ten years now, but because our no-nonsense policy, and only telling the truth preachings we are still verry small. however, most people will agree with wath we say, they rather join less radical churches with good sound-system, and a social security
---andy3996 on 7/6/09

Donna, what you wrote is very sad, but it is also very true. For over 20 years I have been attending a Bible Church which takes it's name from Acts 17:11. It is a small church because we go through the Bible verse by verse in the true context which is written.

From experience, I have learned those people WHO ARE JUST PLAYING CHURCH do not like this because they don't always hear FEEL GOOD MESSAGES and have THEIR EARS TICKLED.
---Rob on 7/3/09

What is the 40+ singles group like? Is there any true inspiration, any real sincere desire to seek God's word with all one's heart? Are you thinking of finding a better church to meet your true spiritual needs? If you do perhaps the right lady may come along? Who know?...God bless
---Anne on 6/30/09
Yes there is inspiration. We have a good Sunday school class, currently learning fruits of the spirit. There are also small groups that meet weekly. Church is good too with practical sermons. I realize there would be problems with any church I choose. My fellowship is important though.
---obewan on 7/2/09

>>there are a few exceptions out there that with all sincerity live for and do the will of God....---Anne<<

Anne-- I think you are wrong about the MAJORITY of churches. Many large churches fit your description. Large churches attract a LOT of attention.
But small churches, quite likely, serve more Christians...unobtrusively.

Far from frivilous, many small churches can't even fully support their pastors. Their pastors don't preach a "popular" message, thus their congregations remain small. Members know each other well and instictively help each other other.
Their "outreach" is not a "program", but individuals living the Christian life on the job and in the community.

---Donna66 on 7/1/09

Cluny~ Nope, I'm just one little person in a great big world.... but I have:

1. tuned into the 'religious' channels and they are about enough to make me sick

2. Been in about every major church denomination (RCC, Lutheran, Methodist etc.), and I hear some intensely watered down teachings. Now...if we could get another John Wesley to fire us up for the Lord, then the Methodist church might be fine.

3. Been in many of the charismatic places and wondered "what is going on in this place?"

Now...if you have some better experiences, which you certainly may, I would love to hear those. Now of course there are lovely people mixed in every crowd....but my concern is why aren't the PREACHERS making a bold stand?
---Anne on 7/1/09

Obewan~ Wow, that was an honest statement of yours, but rather sad to hear in many ways. I would be sophocating spiritually there I think.

What is the 40+ singles group like? Is there any true inspiration, any real sincere desire to seek God's word with all one's heart? Are you thinking of finding a better church to meet your true spiritual needs? If you do perhaps the right lady may come along? Who know?...God bless
---Anne on 6/30/09

\\ Cluny~ I only said 'majority' of churches not 'all' churches. God bless.
---Anne on 6/28/09\\

And do you know enough churches to make the statement you did? I doubt it.

My skepticism still stands.
---Cluny on 6/30/09

John 4:23
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him, for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Well, that hour HAS COME, and those who make up the Church..His Body, have the Spirit of the Life of Christ dwelling in them!

Jesus is not a denomination...or a building...HE IS GOD!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/30/09

Andy~ I do know of one extremely faithful little church in the suberbs of Chicago so yes, I too agree with you that there are a few exceptions out there that with all sincerity live for and do the will of God.

This church I'm speaking about is extremely rare in the sense that they don't even collect money from the congregation. I believe they do help others there though in times of need etc though instead. This church is also passionate for God's word over social concerns, and their sermons are completely centered on the Bible and not denominational type biases.

So yes, by God's grace a rare few do exist.
---Anne on 6/30/09

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My church is a corporation. They have 57 full time people. There are at least 7 pastors, and one even has the title "executive pastor." He does not preach, and his only job is to handle the money. The budget is about $6 million a year, and only about 7% goes to missions, and only about 2% goes to the poor.

There are numerous clubs, and even a full time "athletics pastor" to head up volleyball, soccar, softball, and basketball leagues!

We have several festivals a year with a carnival like atmosphere and fireworks and food vendors.

They are constantly pounding on us to pay the full 10% tithe. But for what? More partying?

I admit the only reason I am there is for the age 40+ singles group.
---obewan on 6/30/09

Anne, i totally disagree, any organisation that has this as goal is not church (ecclessia = the calling out in this case for Christ) even when it calls itself church.

church is where two or three are gathered in my name.
your one is a ptroblem that is in some "megachurches" and tele churches they are usually condemned by real Christianity.
your two is a problem of Giant denominations, and in these latter days more denominations open up towards other vieuws as to grow spiritually.
your three is sometimes found in small groups due to one and two, and the fear of getting contaminatde by the world they have a universofobia.
your four is because many preachings you heard where inside one of the first three churches
---andy3996 on 6/30/09

I can only speak about the local churches I have attended. In the past few months, I have attended five local churches. Although all five have incorrectly collected the tithe (although 3 now agree that tithing is NOT valid in the New Testament), the sermons have been great. These pastors don't care who they offend with their sermons. They do their best to teach the truth on topics they believe are pertinent to the members. They are passionate to the word, to the people, and have given great sermons. Not a social anything. I wouldn't accept anything less from any church I am going to attend.
---Gary on 6/29/09

Mark 9:40 Jesus said, "For He that is not against us is on our part." Which means, Whosoever is for Me is not against Me. Anybody who goes to a church like that ought to bring up the complaint to the board members.
---Betty on 6/29/09

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no i do not think churches are just coporates
although there are some in there just for business...

i personally do not think churches must be poor and have rat hole kind of chapels

Lukewarm sermons.. depends on what you have been seeing

i hope you do not chance in where their warm sermons are titled "you are probably having troubles because God is punishing you for your sins"... some think that's a hot kind of message as compared to " keep trusting in God no matter what"!
---patience on 6/29/09

I am in total agreement with all that Anne says in this blog!!
---mima on 6/29/09

I don't remember the Early Church having tons of money to evangelize the world. Why do we today? Is all this money really Glorifying God?
---joanie on 6/29/09

Cluny~ I only said 'majority' of churches not 'all' churches. God bless.
---Anne on 6/28/09

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In my local newspaper was an article about the Crystal Cathedral. It sounds like their ministry has been on a downward slide ever since the founder's family had a "falling out" over the future leadership of the ministry. Robert Schuller is in his 80's now.

These "big businesses" often ask their followers for a financial bailout. This newspaper article sounds like the beginning of just that. I'm not a fan of TV evangelists like Robert Schuller and his Crystal Cathedral empire, so I won't be contributing.

---Sag on 6/28/09

"Are Churches Just Corporations?" As persons regarded as united in one body. Yes:o).
If you consider yourself as belonging to the church of our LORD and Savior Jesus, The Christ, His church is well. Giving freely as we receive, sowing monetary seeds to bless, blessed by our giving, blessed to receive, to give. Passionate for sharing Father's word as He opens our minds to understanding. Gathering socially to edifying, encourage and uplift one another. Receiving that which is within our grasp, discerning the rest.
If as belonging to structured denominational religion, the name implies divisions, it is simply a fruitless cause for divisions, controversy and strife. Appearing, generally, to be money oriented and pretentious.
---Josef on 6/28/09

The church was never intended to be a money making opportunity or a place that the word of God didnt reign. Principles are given to us for a reason. Authority is given by God, leaders must be accountable and subject to the same bible as we are! The intent of Jesus was to provide a place of healing for the homeless, the widows and those in need and also for individual personal spiritual growth as disciples of Christ. If we live the life of giving away all we have we will never go without. He owns everything and we are just stewards of opportunity to use what He graciously gives us.
---art on 6/27/09

Yes I do agree in part, but you have to agree that generalizations about anything are never more then partially true.
---Pharisee on 6/27/09

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I think that ALL of these things, or some combination, might be the reason behind a church. The same thing goes for foreign missions. While there is nothing wrong with most of these non-profit business corporations, I wish that they would be more truthful and explain things to their financial supporters.

Many USA churches "claim" to teach the Bible. At the same time, the pulpit messages are "watered down" so that nobody gets offended. If that were to happen, people might give less money and the church would go belly up. People who are hurting in areas like: Marriage, Divorce, and Re-Marriage, need fellowship with other believers. A Christian "social club"?
---Sag on 6/27/09

And, of course, Anne, you've studied either ALL the churches in the world OR a statistically valid represtative sample.


Or do you just have a weed on about something?
---Cluny on 6/27/09

You are right in your observations. The "church of man" began in Antioch (Acts 11:26). The ancient Jews, Greeks, Ethiopians, etc. carried many of their old moneymaking (moneychangers) traditions to modern "Jesus devotion". Originally, Jesus devotion was called "The WAY" (Acts 24:22 is one of the mentions of original Jesus devotion).

The name that we use today for "Jesus devotion" is not important, but realizing that false beliefs and practices are included is very important. We should also realize that our devotion should not be to the bible or Paul, etc., but our devotion/love should only be to the one who suffered on the cross.

John 14:6....Jesus said...
"I am THE WAY,...".
---more_excellent_way on 6/27/09

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