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Are Lotteries Sinful

I play many lotteries a lot. The proceeds go to good causes. This is nothing different from the annual church raffles that occur around the USA. What do you think of lotteries?

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You are giving to a good cause and you might get something in return.If you're bothered by that thought you can give them what you win too or at least part of it.
---shirley on 7/14/09
I agree with you, and I do not find much if anything at all in scripture that might forbid lotteries.

However, other people on this blog will tell you they have a problem with the OTHER people who win lottery money without working for it.
---obewan on 7/15/09


SusieB:

That is the first sensible thing I have seen on this blog in weeks! :)
---StrongAxe on 7/14/09


Hhhmmmm,I thought we were discussing the lotteries.Anyway,if it's for a good cause I see nothing wrong with lotteries,Bingo or even 50/50.You are giving to a good cause and you might get something in return.If you're bothered by that thought you can give them what you win too or at least part of it.
---shirley on 7/14/09


MODERATOR.....Can we lose this silly argument over such a profain thing????? PLEASE!!!!!
---SusieB on 7/14/09


Betty:

The dictionary does not list the form with "beast". The encyclopedia notes it as a non-standard spelling, and suggests that some authorities believe that the word ought to be spelled this way, however, that is just their personal opinions (i.e. wishful thinking), not accepted English usage.

You can, of course, choose to spell words any way you wish. However, this does not make such spellings correct.

Spelling a word incorrectly and criticizing the spelling of those who spell it correctly is not a compelling argument.
---StrongAxe on 7/14/09




"Beastiality" does not appear in my dictionary.

Where did you check it, Betty?

You seem to think, Betty, that there is something wrong is dropping the "a"

But it is just normal grammatical spelling usage.

A derivative of feast is festivity
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/14/09


strongaxe- I had already looked up the spelling of beastiality before I even posted the first time about it. I choose to spell it with beast as in animal instead of best. Anything else you think I spelled wrong?
---Betty on 7/14/09


Betty:

The correct spelling is "bestiality". Don't take my word for it, or Cluny's word for it, or even your own word for it. Don't take your own word for it either - look it up in a dictionary, and you will see this is correct.

Whenever there is any kind of disagreement, I always recommend going to a trusted unbiased authority. This is what the Bereans did (Acts 7:10-11) - They did not reject the gospel based on their own opinions, nor did they gullibly accept it, but they had open minds, and searched the scriptures daily to see if what they were being told was true.

This avoids the "anyone who disagrees with me must be wrong" (or worse, "unsaved") dynamics that happen here all too often.
---StrongAxe on 7/13/09


cluny- I answered your post of 7-9-09, but don't see it anywhere on the blog. That makes twice. The way you spell beastiality makes me wonder since you spell it like it is best (bestiality). I did not misspell. As for the part about stigma/stigmata, there is ample proof online as well as offline that I reported correctly, as well as by your own admission on another blog.As for your post of 7-10-09, their lives aren't over yet-stay tuned. To save space:

About lotteries: Matt. 6:33 Jesus said seek first the kingdom of God & His righteousness & all these things will be added unto you. Without gambling.
---Betty on 7/13/09


Cluny ... "Or maybe the whole idea of casting a lot was to leave the decision in God's hands, or at least His providence?"

That was my original suggestion, but Kathr cast undersatndable reservations upon it.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/12/09




\\
If that's the case, it's possible that they did cast lots, using it as a gambling method of selecting the new apostle, and because they were gambling, it all went wrong and they chose the wrong person.\\

Or maybe the whole idea of casting a lot was to leave the decision in God's hands, or at least His providence?

FWIW, when a new Coptic Pope and Patriarch of Alexandria is to be selected, the Bishops of that Church vote and chose the top three candidates. Their names are placed in a chalice on the altar. After a night of prayer, they get the youngest child present to draw a name out.

They accept this as God's choice.
---Cluny on 7/12/09


**Kathr ... That,s an interesting question!

Perhaps Acts is recording a faulty decision by the disciples.Alan***

Alan, what I see is Peter, before being filled with the Holy Spirit came to this conclusion that Judas needed to be replaced. Under the OT , drawing, casting lots was how things were decided. Peter was I believe acting out of his OT roots and traditions.

However in the NT, Salvation, Gifts of teh Spirit and our calling and position In Christ is not decided by casting/drawing Lots. You will never see this spoken of or done again.

An Apostle is one Jesus Chose, personally....John 17. Jesus personally chose Paul.
---kathr4453 on 7/12/09


kathr4453:

Acts 1:26
"And they gave forth their lots, and the lot fell upon Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles."

So Luke certainly thought that Matthias was one with the other apostles. You may think otherwise, but if so, your opinion would directly contradict what scripture actually says about the subject.
---StrongAxe on 7/11/09


Kathr ... That,s an interesting question!

Perhaps Acts is recording a faulty decision by the disciples.

If that's the case, it's possible that they did cast lots, using it as a gambling method of selecting the new apostle, and because they were gambling, it all went wrong and they chose the wrong person.

Maybe they were in error in trying to select someone at that time anyway ... Paul clearly was appointed directly by God, later.

To go back to your original point, I think that if the disciples voted, the record would use that word.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/11/09


\\Wouldn't you think Jesus would have settled the issue then and there and appointed Matthius? I do. But He didn't!

In Revelation..there are spoken of 12 Apostles and 12 tribes of Israel in describing the foundation and walls are built upon in the Heavenly Jerusalem. Not 13 Apostles.\\

And in the OT, the grandsons of Jacob through Joseph, Ephraim and Manasseh, are considered heads of tribes, making 13 tribes.

So it's appropriate there are 13 Apostles.

Of course, there are also the apostles of the 70--they were sentout 2 by 2 by Jesus as well.
---Cluny on 7/11/09


I just read where a West Virgina woman just won her 9th lottery since September, bringing her total winnings to $150,000.

And her husband won several thousand dollars for the second time.

How does this fit into betty's view of things, I wonder?
---Cluny on 7/10/09


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Alan, why is it we never heard the name Matthias ever again?

I believe there are only 12 Apostles, and PAUL was God's Choice...not Mattheias(SP).

Jesus spent several days with the disciples AFTER He rose from the dead, and before He ascended to Heaven. Wouldn't you think Jesus would have settled the issue then and there and appointed Matthius? I do. But He didn't!

In Revelation..there are spoken of 12 Apostles and 12 tribes of Israel in describing the foundation and walls are built upon in the Heavenly Jerusalem. Not 13 Apostles.

We know Paul said He was an Apostle.
---kathr4453 on 7/10/09


kathr4453:

When a ball is blown by air in a lottery machine, the complexity of the motion is designed to make the outcome as random and unpredictable as possible (in much the same way that it is virtually impossible to predict which side will come up if one flips a coin, or rolls a die, or rolls a ball on a roulette wheel, so that it bounces on a surface several times). With scratch-offs, one must make a determined choice, but the choice is made blindly, so if the symbols under the scrtatches are distributed randomly, so are the outcomes.

As far as the choice of Matthias is concerned, it turns out that you are absolutely right (rendering the rest of his argument totally moot in that context).
---StrongAxe on 7/10/09


StrongAxe ... the selection of Matthias by casting lots was not gambling ... it was trusting God to make the choice.

And I disagree with Kathr's idea that they voted to decide whom would replace Judas. They realised that they needed God's choice, so they did not vote, using their human faulty views, but left it to God to show them whom He had chosen
---alan_8566_of_uk on 7/10/09


Gambling is a matter of the mechanics involved, StrongAxe***


That's the funnies thing I've ever heard.

The Lottery:

Every evening, three-five-etc, numbers are selected by a little ball being blown out the top of a wind pipe. I'm sure it took a mathmatical engineering mind to come up with such a contraption.

Now with the scratch off's,which has more to do with science, dealing with FRICTION..not math, as we take a dime or penny and SCRATCH OFF that gunk to see what is behind the gunk!

Then there is another: The big wheel spinning round and round. This is done by one drawing the name. He/she closes their eyes and turns their head away to show they didn't PEEK, AKA: mathmatical ingenuity!
---kathr4453 on 7/10/09


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OT Strongs for LOT:
a) lot - pebbles used for systematically making decisions


NT LOT: The KJV does not say CAST lots, in the verse in Acts concerning Matthias.


2819 & #954, & #955, & #8134, & #961, & #959, & #962,


1) those whose care and oversight has been assigned to one [allotted charge], used of Christian churches, the administration of which falls to the lot of presbyters
---kathr4453 on 7/10/09


\\cluny- God judged him, I didn't. Don't you remember that Paul used to persecute & kill the Christians? Therefore, he did not do unto others as he would have him do unto him.
---Betty on 7/9/09\\

As for where I learned to spell "bestiality" the way I did, it was from the dictionary.

The real question is where did YOU learn to MISspell it the way you do?

Your insisting that the Latin word "stigma" means "tattoo" will not make it so. I've given the relevant citations from several different on-line Latin dictionaries.
---Cluny on 7/9/09


alan8566_of_uk:

I used the term "gambling" in the sense of "making a selection whose outcome is not predetermined" (i.e. random), as distinct from "voting" which is "making a selection whose outcome IS predetermined" (i.e. not random) - for example: rolling dice, drawing straws, etc. as opposed to, say, placing a colored marble into a bag.

Gambling is a matter of the mechanics involved, rather than the motivation behind it, or the results that are achieved. Some people gamble to make money (a few succed at it but most do not). Some gamble for entertainment. Others gamble to feed an addiction, and never profit. But it's all gambling.
---StrongAxe on 7/9/09


You usually make some sense, but not on this issue.

It is nonsense to suggest that the selection of Matthias was gambling.

Gambling is done for one's own profit.

A lottery involves the expenditure of some money, in the hope that you will win something back (and that others won't)

That is nothing like the Matthias selection.

But I agree that this was not voting in the sense that we know it
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/9/09


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kathr4453:

It's a nice theory that casting lots is voting (rather than gambling), but do you have any evidence to support this position?

The phrase "cast lots" is used in many places in the Bible. In many cases, it is one person casting the lots, which makes sense if he's making a random selection, but NOT if he's voting, as there would be no need for him to do so. Also, Psalm 22:18 talks about people "casting lots" over someone's clothing, which is fulfilled in Matthew 27:35 when the soldiers divided Jesus's garments and "cast lots" over them. This has always been portrayed as soldiers playing dice - can you imagine ANYONE fighting over stolen booty by taking a vote?
---StrongAxe on 7/9/09


cluny- God judged him, I didn't. Don't you remember that Paul used to persecute & kill the Christians? Therefore, he did not do unto others as he would have him do unto him.
---Betty on 7/9/09


Betty:

The very fact that the apostles cast lots to choose Matthias as Judas's successor goes to show that lotteries are not, in themselves, inherently evil (otherwise, God would never have used one).StrongAxe***


StrongAxe, I believe casting Lots here mean to VOTE. Voting, as we cast our lots for President etc....is not Gambling (well then again..yes it is,) but not the kind of gambling one wins money from.

Interesting though, God Chose Paul, and it wasn't up for any votes. If it had been, Paul would never have been VOTED IN by the other Apostles! So we see, God never used one EVER!!! God CHOSE Moses, David, etc.....None of those were chosen by Casting Lots by the people!
---kathr4453 on 7/9/09


\\cluny- Jesus Christ is God, and He came to fulfill a plan of salvation. St. Paul could have had a better life if He had done unto others as he would have had them do unto him.
---Betty on 7/8/09\\

What a burden it must be to sit in judgement upon the Apostles, betty.

How do you bear it?
---Cluny on 7/8/09


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There have been several programs on television regarding lottery winners whose lives have gone bad. The most famous was the cowboy hat wearing older gentleman who said he would be giving a million dollars to his local church. According to the pastor of his church, he only gave around $300,000 to them. Several years ago in Las Vegas when our family lived and ministered there, a woman won the megabucks jackpot on the slots winning millions. A few years later a drunk driver plowed into her vehicle and left her a quadraplegic. Even if she sued the guy, she would have never been able to collect cause he was broke and was put in prison. Of course, that jackpot she won probably ended up paying for her care for the rest of her life (hopefully).
---SusieB on 7/8/09


Betty:

While people under God's direct protection may be more safe from disasters than those who aren't, this says nothing about whether lotteries are good or evil. One cannot jump to such a conclusion based on one lottery winner on the news having a tragedy, any more than one can conclude "cars are evil" from a traffic accident (or, for that matter, "towers are evil" from people killed in the Tower of Siloam (Luke 13:4-5))

Also, Satan persecutes people doing God's will, if something bad happens to someone, it COULD be because they are out of God's favor, or it COULD be because Satan is upset. This is why reading omens is a very bad thing - half the time, they mean the opposite of what one might expect.
---StrongAxe on 7/8/09


strongaxe- My point was this: people who are not under God's protection most likely will suffer accidents,tragedies, whatever, whether they are reported on the news or not. The tragedy/bad luck some lottery winners had was featured on the news one day a couple of years ago.
---Betty on 7/8/09


cluny- Jesus Christ is God, and He came to fulfill a plan of salvation. St. Paul could have had a better life if He had done unto others as he would have had them do unto him.
---Betty on 7/8/09


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\\cluny- I heard it on the news on tv. When God is not protecting a person, tragedies, accidents & anything can happen. Including open attack from witchcraft.
---Betty on 7/7/09\\

You mean like St. Paul or Jesus?

Their lives were not tragedy-free, as I recall.
---Cluny on 7/7/09


Betty:

The news always reports on accidents, calamities, disasters, etc. while ignoring the more boring "normal" events. If 99 out of 100 people have blessed lives, and 1 suffers a tragedy, guess which one will be on the 11 o'clock news? This gets people to focus on the tragedy, even though that is the exception rathen than the rule.
---StrongAxe on 7/7/09


cluny- I heard it on the news on tv. When God is not protecting a person, tragedies, accidents & anything can happen. Including open attack from witchcraft.
---Betty on 7/7/09


I know one person who frequently enters Publisher's Clearing House contests--which cost him nothing.

Should he win a big prize, he wants to set up a dental foundation for people who fall through the cracks of public services who need dental care.
---Cluny on 7/7/09


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From what I've read, many people have no qualms asking a lotto winner for lots of money on account that they say the winner did not work for that money. While living in Florida, one of my lady friends, Feebie from Georgia, mentioned that the Lotto gave too much money to a single winner, that they should divide the price with the other people who got five instead of all six numbers. I said, 'Feebie, why don't we leave it as it is and if you win, you just could tell them to split it for you amongst the runner ups'. She repplied something with like a gutteral, "Nah-agh!". Whatever that was, she did not like the idea! That's what we call, talk out of both sides of the mouth.
---Nana on 7/7/09


\\ We should look to God for our blessings and not chance.\\

First thing Betty has said I agree with.

\\I have heard that some big winners of the lottery have had some awful tragic bad luck. They must not have been under God's protection for some reason.\\

And just where did you "hear" this, Betty?

Can you substantiate your claim?

Should you suffer an accident or tragedy, would that mean you "must not have been under God's protection for some reason"?
---Cluny on 7/6/09


Betty ... What you now say is quite right. You have covered most of the bad aspect of lottery & gambling ... submission to greed, helping other to become addicts, others losing when you win, destruction of yourself if you win a huge amount.

It is very often the poor who play the lotteries & never win ... the very people who can't afford to throw money away.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/6/09


well sag, if you play to help the poor and needy, i know a few churches who are poor and needy. just admit it, you hope to win the lotery one day, God bless, and succes.
---andy3996 on 7/6/09


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Some people pray to God to win the lottery, when all they need to do is sin not, love the Lord and obey Him. For those who obey God & sin not, God will provide more than enough. Many people go out and buy books about how to play the lottery & what numbers to play. Some consult demons. We should look to God for our blessings and not chance. For some, playing the lottery could lead to other gambling sins. I have heard that some big winners of the lottery have had some awful tragic bad luck. They must not have been under God's protection for some reason. Lottery winners get a lot for a very little: they didn't work for that large amount of money. Also, they win while others who gave some money lose.
---Betty on 7/6/09


Cluny ... When I said "Congratulations" I did not mean it.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/4/09


Please look at my original post, which is at the bottom of this thread.

As I said, not condemning them outright is not the same thing as approval, either.

Of course, Betty has said she "reads between the lines"--apparently so much so she misses what the lines themselves are really saying.
---Cluny on 7/4/09


exzucuh:

As far as I am able to ascertain (Numbers 22-24), the sin of Balaam was that he was a real prophet with a real gift of prophecy, but instead of prophesying what he should, he accepted bribes to prophesy curses against Israel. This would be somewhat akin to a modern day televangelist preaching hell and brimstone against some group based on the preferences of one of his wealthiest donors.

Lotterys and casinos aren't about corrupting Christians (although they may happen to do that as a secondary effect). They are all about making money. It's a lot easier to make lots of money from someone without a guilty conscience than from someone you have to corrupt first.
---StrongAxe on 7/4/09


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Cluny ... I too have suffered from Betty's habits of misquotation and harsh and sometimes vicious personal judgments.

However in this caase ...Did you not understand what "looks as if" means?

As I said, your original responses certainly seemed to support lotteries, so Betty's assumption was not unreasonable. And she was quite right to point that choosing of Matthias by lot was not gambling

Reading through the correspondence again, it still seems to me that you were trying to "wind her up", and were successful in provoking her into displaying the unattractive side of her blogging. Congratulations!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/4/09


\\It looks as if you have been deliberately provoking Betty to be angry with you.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/3/09\\

Betty has here and elsewhere accused me of saying things I did NOT say and making personal accusations and assumptions about me, but you say that I am guilty of trying to make her angry.

Why?
---Cluny on 7/3/09


Betty:

God may indeed disapprove of games of chance, but can you cite any specific scriptural references to say that he disapproves of them, other than just personal opinions?
---StrongAxe on 7/3/09


Was it any of your business? That was before I posted anything to you. What do you want to say to that, cluny lace? Guess you must have been minding my business?
---Betty on 7/3/09

Something should be understood here. This is a PUBLIC blog, therefore, when you post, you may be posting towards one person, but it's also for everyone else.

If you want a private conversation with someone, you should email them.
---NurseRobert on 7/3/09


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\\
Your initial response did seem to support the lottery, and so Betty was jutified in thinking that you did.\\

Please tell me what about it supported playing lotteries.

There's a difference, perhaps too subtle for some people, between supporting something and not condemning it.
---Cluny on 7/3/09


Cluny ... I think you are quite aware of that playing the lottery is nothing like the drawing of lots for replacing Judas.

The one is wagering for one's own gain, and thereby involves most other players losing their "investment"

The other is 100% reliance on God to choose who is to take the heavy responsibility of being a disciple.

Your initial response did seem to support the lottery, and so Betty was jutified in thinking that you did.

It looks as if you have been deliberately provoking Betty to be angry with you.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/3/09


cluny- Let's get this straight. First, on 6-29 you quoted my reply to the big question. Was it any of your business? That was before I posted anything to you. What do you want to say to that, cluny lace? Guess you must have been minding my business? Or was it that you just replied to my post and I replied to yours? cluny, I think you are a spider crawling around on the web. You think you have a poisonous bite, don't you? Don't get tangled in your own web, cluny.

I still say God does not approve of games of chance.
---Betty on 7/3/09


\\ cluny- Since you were troubling yourself to encourage others to play the lottery, I thought it would be interesting to know why you don't.\\

Betty, please tell me WHERE and WHEN I actually encouraged anyone to play the lottery. Since copying and pasting is an easy procedure, I request you be specific in this.

\\ Hey - you told me on 6-30 that you don't play the lottery-didn't you make it my business to find out?\\

Let me paraphrase your words to see I understand them.

You asked me a question that was none of your business, therefore I made it your business to find out.

Do I understand you right?
---Cluny on 7/3/09


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Ultimately, I believe most people who play the lottery are trying to get security for themselves saying 'God isn't able to provide for me" IF they think of God at all. The Bible speaks against pursuing "easy" gain, something for nothing. Even if a person wants to 'give most of the proceeds to God through a Christian work, wouldn't that be like robbing a bank and giving the loot to God? God doesn't need our money, He owns everything anyway, He wants us to be willing to trust Him for our provision.
---tommy3007 on 7/2/09


Paul said that all things are permitted, but not all are profitable.

There are many things that someone may choose not to do, either by virtue of wisdom, or circumstances, or matters of personal taste. There are also many things that the Bible condemns. However, while these two groups of things will often overlap, they are NOT the same.

One mistake many people make is to translate "I don't like X" or "I was taught that X is wrong" into "X is a sin" or "The Bible teaches that X is wrong", and thus erroneously give personal opinions the same weight as holy scripture.
---StrongAxe on 7/2/09


You are good at twisting the meaning of the word of God.
---anon on 7/2/09

You are good at not reading comments in context and twisting words of others.

I pointed out it is possible to win a lottery and give millions to Christian works and gave a real world example of Christians who have done that. However, their Baptist home church was so sanctimonious that they refused a $2million donation and it was given to another Christian work that graciously accepted it!

If they were obsessed with being millionaires, and kept it all to themselves they would be laying up treasure.

There are many wealthy Christians who give millions to the Lord. I hope you are not one of those who say it is a "sin" to be rich!
---obewan on 7/2/09


obewan, you said, Laying up treasure means being obsessed.

I'd like to see you tell that to God. So you're challenging what Jesus said? That's not a wise thing to do and you totally took that verse out of context and put your OWN spin on it.

Laying up treasures means invest in the Kingdom of God, not the Kingdom of this world and not lotteries.

It means give to ministries that feed the poor and you will be rewarded because your heavenly Father who sees in secret will reward you in secret.

You are good at twisting the meaning of the word of God - I'll give you that much.
---anon on 7/2/09


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In terms of a game no, in terms of stewardship yes.
---larry on 7/2/09


cluny- Since you were troubling yourself to encourage others to play the lottery, I thought it would be interesting to know why you don't. Hey - you told me on 6-30 that you don't play the lottery-didn't you make it my business to find out? Why don't you hang your attitude out on the clothesline: it needs a good airing.
---Betty on 7/2/09


I think the bible says in Matthew 6:19 - Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth,
---anon on 7/1/09
I always viewed the lottery are giving up treasure. I mean, how many people really play expecting to win? Reality says, you are going to lose that dollar, albeit to a good cause. I can play a dollar a week or I can give up the same money in increased taxes by my view. You can also apply your verse to the stock market - even more so. But, again, balance is required. How are we to expect to retire if we do not invest? Laying up treasure means being obsessed. A Christian couple in my town won the lotto, and kept enough for retirement and gave the rest to Christian works
---obewan on 7/2/09


\\ cluny- Goodie 4 u. Maybe you will uplift us with a reason you do not play the lottery.
---Betty on 7/1/09\\

Because I have better things to do with what little money I have.

Is it really any of your business, Betty?
---Cluny on 7/1/09


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Betty:

The very fact that the apostles cast lots to choose Matthias as Judas's successor goes to show that lotteries are not, in themselves, inherently evil (otherwise, God would never have used one).

Like all other things, it depends on how and why they are run. If someone buys a lottery or raffle ticket in order to support a good cause, that can be a good thing. If they do so out of greed in order to "strike it rich", this is a bad thing, the same if they are desperate and hang all their financial hopes on luck, or squander all of their money and their family's money out on a gambling addiction.
---StrongAxe on 7/1/09


I think the bible says in Matthew 6:19 - Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Matthew 6:20 - But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

Matthew 6:21 - For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Matthew 12:35 - A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

I believe this means we are to sow our money into the Kingdom of God, not the Kingdom of this world.
---anon on 7/1/09


cluny- Goodie 4 u. Maybe you will uplift us with a reason you do not play the lottery.
---Betty on 7/1/09


I stay away from lotteries. I find them to be just like stores that have things that "you just go to have". NOW!

It is easy for me to over-spend on a lottery. Trying to justify the over-spending with the thought "your money is going to a good cause" only makes the problem worse.

While I don't think that lotteries are sinful, I think that there are better ways to spend my time and money.
---Augie on 7/1/09


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I am with Cluny, Trish9863, and Josef.
---Nana on 7/1/09


\\ cluny- God selected Matthias. Do you think He's going to select your numbers for lottery?
---Betty on 6/30/09\\

I don't play the lottery. NYAAAHHHH!
---Cluny on 6/30/09


cluny- God selected Matthias. Do you think He's going to select your numbers for lottery?
---Betty on 6/30/09


\\Lotteries and Casinos are the sin of Balaam
They are put as a stumbling block to tempt Christians to sin against God and tread on the blood of Jesu\\

Please give book, chapter, and verse that lotteries are the sin of Balaam. We have nothing here except your say-so, which is not much to go on.

\\ The lottery is a game of chance, and God would not approve.
---Betty on 6/29/09\\

Like casting the lot (whence lottery)--a game of chance, if you like--to select Matthias, right? God certainly did not approve of that, now did He?
---Cluny on 6/29/09


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Seems to me it would be better to give your money to a food bank. You're giving to get back for yourself! That ain't Biblical.
---SusieB on 6/29/09


Sag., My definition of the lotto is "Extortion by mutual consent"
Does the end(charity) justify the means??
---1st_cliff on 6/29/09


Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against you, because you have there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel

Lotteries and Casinos are the sin of Balaam
They are put as a stumbling block to tempt Christians to sin against God and tread on the blood of Jesus. Judgment is on America and the church now for the sin of Balaam, you cannot please God by the lust of the flesh.You are Gods enemy if you live by such a manner as is contrary to walking in the spirit. Faith comes by hearing the word of God, death comes by rejecting it.
---exzucuh on 6/29/09


The lottery is a game of chance, and God would not approve.
---Betty on 6/29/09


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Adam did not see the Harm in eating a piece of fruit, it was just fruit, you have to eat to live, surely it is like any other piece of fruit, But it was not permitted by God as is any form of gambling, you have already eaten of it and that is why you are blind to it, It
will kill you eventually first spiritually then
carnally, It will become a curse in your family
and escalate in your children, a sickness that will bring poverty and death to the future of your family. Your lust of it will lead to other things, only you can end the curse by killing it like Phinehas son of Aaron who drove a spear through the fornicators and the plague stopped at the spear.
---exzucuh on 6/29/09


"What do you think of lotteries?" I personally do not see the harm. Money set apart for your pleasure or entertainment, is set apart for just that. If you find lotteries pleasurable or entertaining, why not. If the way you spend your money is not detrimental to the welfare of your family, or withholds payment of a debt, "don't worry, be happy":o). But remember, temperance must be applied in all things.
---Josef on 6/29/09


Boy, did you open up a can of worms?

Here in the US, we have varying degrees of gambling that occur. Most of our lotteries are run by the individual states, which earmark the proceeds for various public programs. Here in PA, the money goes to benefit senior citizens. In other states, it benefits the public schools. Then there are also raffles, which local charities hold to raise money for their causes.

Personally, I have no trouble buying a raffle ticket for a charity, as I just see it as donating a dollar to that charity. Occassionally, I will participate in a group ticket buy-in for the lottery.
---Trish9863 on 6/29/09


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