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Sin To Violate Traditions

I have seen those who think they commit sin when they even fail to adhere completely to the Tenants of Faith or Traditions set by Churches and Denominations, although they can't be found in the Bible. Please share your thoughts on what you think sin is.

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Miche, I have given you enough of God's word but you will not listen. I pray for you and Kathr. For God to open your understanding and to allow you to see a God who is Ruler of all things. God is Spirit and therefore can only be known spiritually.
Fallen man is not spiritual: he is carnal. He is dead to all that is spiritual. Unless he is born again, supernatually brought from death unto life, miraculously translated out of darkness into light, he cannot even see the thing of God. John 3:5, still less apprehend them 1 Cor. 2:14. The Holy Spirit has to shine in our hearts in order to give us "the knowledge" of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ" 2 Cor. 4:6.
---MarkV. on 8/16/09


Kathr, we are to preach the gospel of Christ, it is where power is found, but God has to give them eyes to see a heart to perceive and ears to hear spiritual matters "You have seen all the things the Lord did before your eyes and in the land of Egypt, to Pharaoh and to all His servants and to all his land-the great trials which your eyes have seen, the signs, and those great wonders. Yet, the Lord has not given you a heart o perceive and eyes to see and ears to hear, to this very day."
God had not yet given them the ability to hear spiritual things or see spiritual things or a heart to perceive. The lost are all in the same state. Sometimes I believe you are too because you do not hear and don't understand yet.
---MarkV. on 8/15/09


Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for IT IS the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.


Yes, we must preach the Gospel of CHRIST, for that and that alone is where THE POWER OF GOD works.

Don't worry Miche, God has given us the Gospel of reconcilliation to preach to all men. OBEY!

Markv, seems so distraught you won't be going the Calvin route...where there is NO POWER in the preaching of the Philosophy of Calvinism.

Remember he had to browbeat his wife and fight with her TOOTH AND NAIL to get her to succumb! THAT is not of God at all! you don't need to browbeat anyone.Just speak the thuth.
---kathr4453 on 8/15/09


...Sin was dealt with at the Cross...
****

What?

NOT AT ALL

DEATH was dealt with at the cross REMEMBER Christ WAS the sacrifice

Christ DIED AFTER overcoming the world and sin

His blood reconciles us to The Father

HIS DEATH allows us to INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE

Christ was the FIRSTFRUIT of begotten sons of God 1Corin 15
---Rhonda on 8/15/09


Miche, 2: you see Miche if you pray for me, you know in your heart that it will take for God to make me hear. That is the reason you said you were praying for me. If you didn't believe that it takes for God to make me hear you would have never written what you did. So even when you argue about something, in your heart you are right, but in your words you are wrong. Why do you think prayer is so important? Because we are depending on Him to do the Work. That is what a true believers feels. That it is God in all His glory that has to come and change us. A lost person cannot change himself, or can he give himself faith while lost. Just not possible.
---MarkV. on 8/15/09




Just sharing what I used to do before I spoke and sang, I would pray for God's anointing days before hand but the meal before I spoke I would pray and fast. It doesn't sound like much but the difference I saw in the outcome was wonderful. I also covered the message I gave with prayer asking God to lead me in what I should prepare. I can do all things through Jesus Christ who strengthens me. There is another thing I love to see,people coming to Church and going to the altar in prayer,for the service,instead of setting around in the Church and talking. God will move among or within people who first have come to God and moved Him with prayer and praise. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 8/15/09


Kathr, before my neighbors shared the gospel with me, God led me to them. I was not seeking God, God was calling me to the gospel. He even made sure my neighbors were saved in order for them to bring the gospel to me. He even allowed me to get in a mess to get me out of that mess. God even opened my ears and gave me understanding of His word so that when I heard it I would understand it. He also gave me faith to believe in His messege. And when the neighbors invited me to a play, God made sure that at that moment He would convict my heart of sin, and finally I made a confession of faith and repented of my sin.
From beginning to end it was all God's work.
---MarkV. on 8/15/09


Kathr 2: Maybe one day you will examine how you were able to confess Christ as your Savior and you will see that from beginning to end it was all of God. If you don't conclude with that analizes then you don't know the gospel at all.
listen to the words of the Lord and what it has to say about true believers, "For we know, brethren beloved by God, That He has chosen you, for our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction"
God chose them, the ones who believed, because the gospel came to them with power and full conviction. Only to the believers.
What you are doing is looking for anyway you can find to take credit for what God has done in your life.
---MarkV. on 8/15/09


Amen to that Kath.

What markv fails to realize is we were all lost before. that God sent Jesus to save the world. Not just a few. All.
Markv, give scripture that says God created some people to go directly to hell "dont pass go, dont collect salvation" or else be quiet. Unless you can provide scripture to back this up, you are a false prophet, and twisting the word of God for the use of the enemy. GIVE PROOF! Show what kind of tree you are! Are you a good tree that is producing good fruit or a tree with no roots? Provide scripture to back up your claims like Kath, and I and many others have. Otherwise.... don't say anything. unless you have God's word backing you up, what you say doesn't mean a hill of beans!
---miche3754 on 8/15/09


Miche, let me tell you something that we all know in our heart even if we don't admit it. I pray to God before going in front of a group of people or a single individual who is lost. I pray and ask God to open the ears and eyes of those to whom I am witnessing to, and to bring power to His word. You know why? Because I know the lost are in darkness. And only God can bring sight to them and ears to hear. I cannot do myself, it because I don't have that power. I can only preach the Truth and allow God to do His work on those who will hear.
It's all in His hands. Jesus said, My sheep hear My voice" only those who are His really hear. He didn't say everyone hears His voice. Only His sheep.
---MarkV. on 8/15/09




Bible says the very things I and many many others have tried to show you but you refuse. So, its not me guiding to people to hell. You don't even think people can be saved. I on the hand do! I have 100% faith in God that he is still saving sinners and will continue to save. According to you they don't even have ears to hear so how could God even save them.
'O ye of little faith'
---miche3754 on 8/14/09


Miche, how does MarkV know they don't have ears to hear? Oh My! Did MarkV have ears to hear. Yes, His neighbors shared the Gospel with him. he wasn't saved before hearing, but AFTER hearing!

Why he chooses to forget that is beyond me!
---kathr4453 on 8/15/09


Mark_Eaton-- Even Paul speaks of the "mystery" of the Gospel (Eph 6:18-19). It's true. There is so much that is far beyond our understanding.

I hope nobody thinks I was picking on
Miche3754 or Kathr4453. I disagree with them somewhat (maybe) on how much responsibility men have in their own salvation. For I see understanding and receptivity to the Gospel as largely NOT dependent on intelligence, wisdom or spiritual inclination. A child can understand the the way of salvation. So can an illiterate Bushman. Both can be as completely saved as a learned clergyman. As humans we bring very little to the salvation experience. God does all the heavy lifting!
---Donna66 on 8/14/09


Hallelujah!! Praise be to God.

Thank you Donna, for bringing us all back to reality.

We were all lost in sin, and without God, we were doomed to a devil's hell. But He gave us mercy, forgave our sin, gave us grace and eternal life, what we did not deserve.

How that happens, we may NEVER know.

Please do not think that all we know about salvation is all there is. Its like saying all we know about God is all there is. Contemplate God, consider the size of this planet, the sun, the galazy, the millions of galaxies, the trillions of stars, and He, and He alone, created them all with the breeath of His mouth, the word from His lips. There is SO much more to God and SO much more to salvation.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/14/09


Markv, Thank you for the prayers.

And I have been praying for you since I first meet you.

I don't have ears to listen to you because you havent provided scripture to back up what you say.
You refuse to give answers to my questions even though I have answered yours. Im still waiting on scripture that says God created some people to go to hell.

Bible says the very things I and many many others have tried to show you but you refuse. So, its not me guiding to people to hell. You don't even think people can be saved. I on the hand do! I have 100% faith in God that he is still saving sinners and will continue to save. According to you they don't even have ears to hear so how could God even save them.
'O ye of little faith'
---miche3754 on 8/14/09


Miche, when you teach this weekend, please show from Genesis on, that man could not save himself. That a redeemer was promised. That God covered Adam and Eve with animal skins. That represented that something had to die. Also let them know that Abel PROPERLY obeyed God, and also presented an animal sacrifice...to show even Abel could not save himself, but placed his faith int he promised redeemer by doing so. Hebrews 11 clearly state this fact.

Now Cain though he could save himself.

Without the shedding of blood there is no forgivness of sin. Cain brought wheat..a bloodless sacrifice, unacceptable to God.

God will open hears to hear when ONLY the TRUTH is spoken.
---kathr4453 on 8/14/09


Yes Miche, Donna and MarkV, I am so greatful I heard the REAL Gospel preached in the Power of the Holy Spirit. Yes,the Holy Spirit convicted me of sin, and my need for a Savioro. The Holy Spirit also made perfectly clear I could not save myself, and that only Jesus can through His death and resurrection, and shed blood.

No, I cannot shed my own blood for my sin or anyone else since I am a sinner, and only Jesus Christ is/was that PERCECT sacrifice.
---kathr4453 on 8/14/09

AMEN!!!!!!!!! Now that is how God works!!!
---miche3754 on 8/14/09


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Miche, you are going to be teaching on Sunday and I will pray for you because you will be responsible in preaching the very Truth of Scripture to many. And if you lead them away from the truth as many others have done, you will be held responsible. I believe you should continue to study, and pray for God to guide you unto all Truth. You are a good person, but when it comes to God's Word, you have to be right. when you said,
"The enemy even uses these man made traditions to keep people away from God. I hope that the enemy does not use you and that God opens your eyes, ears before it's too late. You see, the one's lost are already going to hell, but you might have the ears to hear, but you are not listening.
---MarkV. on 8/14/09


Donna, you made a very good point when you said, many receive the word but don't have faith, " Why? Is the Word less powerful sometimes than others? Are some people less intelligent, less wise, less spiritually inclined and therefore the Word cannot affect them? Should Miche3754 or Kathr4453 be praised because they made a better choice about eternity than many others?"
That is the question really. Miche says, that the devil has some of the lost blind, the question would be, why those people and not the others? Is the devil in control to choose the one's he wants? Why did some have faith the others didn't? Maybe because they could develope faith with their abilities where others couldn't. They deserve credit for the ability.
---MarkV. on 8/14/09


Donna,
I give all the credit to God for saving me. For pulling on my heart and showing me I am nothing without him. I know Kath feels the same way.Miche***


Yes Miche, Donna and MarkV, I am so greatful I heard the REAL Gospel preached in the Power of the Holy Spirit. Yes,the Holy Spirit convicted me of sin, and my need for a Savioro. The Holy Spirit also made perfectly clear I could not save myself, and that only Jesus can through His death and resurrection, and shed blood.

No, I cannot shed my own blood for my sin or anyone else since I am a sinner, and only Jesus Christ is/was that PERCECT sacrifice.
---kathr4453 on 8/14/09


Donna 2: Maybe they are smarter then the others and that is why they are saved. They were able to do what the others couldn't do because God didn't give the others the same ability. Miche say, "But we have the testimony that he is and if they will believe and accept Christ as their savior, God will do the rest"
She wants those who are lost to just believe, how are they to do that when they are lost? How can an unregenerate creature believe when all spiritual things are folly to him? And watch what she said, "Then God will do the rest" giving some credit to God so that no one can say He wasn't mentioned. Kind of throwing a bone to Him for doing the rest. They want credit no matter how they color it.
---MarkV. on 8/14/09


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Duane, your testimony is a wonderful testimony. No doubt about it. I myself was once lost too. God found me in a mess. He took me into His arms, and He saved me. Without Him I would still be lost. I only deserved hell. I have no one to give thanks for but to God for having mercy on me a sinner. All glory is for the Lord.
---MarkV. on 8/14/09


Donna, thank you for the wise words and the truth of God's Words. I don't mind going back and forth with Kathr or Meche. Kathr has a different purpose in answering then Miche. I can remember when I first met my wife. She too had been taught what many here are taught. When I mentioned God's Sovereignty and the condition of man while lost, she faught me tooth and nail. I understand it's hard to admit that all your life you were wrong. That everything you have heard from your pastors and heard from others was completely wrong. It was only a continuness of the RCC doctrines in protestant churches. It took my wife over a year, and only because she is very serious about knowing the Truth.
---MarkV. on 8/14/09


I know Kath. It is amazing to me that God's grace was from the beginning!
It is really sad that Markv doesn't understand that.
This is the very topic I will be teaching on Sunday morning.
That God does not make anyone destined to go to hell. We are all here for God's glory. And it is our responsibility to tell the lost the truth.
I have seen many times that this is how the enemy gets people to not accept that God is real. But we have the testimony that he is and if they will believe and accept Christ as their savior, God will do the rest.
The enemy even uses these man made traditions to keep people away from God.
I suggest we keep praying and maybe one day God will open Mrkv's eyes and heart to accept the full truth.
---miche3754 on 8/14/09


Donna,
I give all the credit to God for saving me. For pulling on my heart and showing me I am nothing without him. I know Kath feels the same way.

I believe that the reason some don't come when they here God is because the enemy has put such a defiant spirit upon them they refuse to listen.
THey have become lovers of themselves, as the word says.
It doesn't help that we Christians sometimes try to shove man made tradition at them, too. It should always be God's way, not man's way.
I don't want any praise for the Holy SPirit guiding and teaching me. Please give the praise to God!
---miche3754 on 8/14/09


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Donna, Galatians says the LAW was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. The LAW points to SIN.

To bring us to Christ....Yes, when the REAL Gospel is Preached, the Holy Spirit convicting of SIN, Righteousness and Judgement, and one is then convicted of SIN by the Holy Spirit. Jesus came to save SINNERS!.

We know there are over 1001 different gospels going around. All but ONE are accursed and cannot save anyone.

MarkV's gospel cannot save or convict anyone of sin

Don't forget Heb 6...one can certainly be enlightened by the Holy Spirit and NEVER come into saving faith! Beware of false gospels having NO POWER.
---kathr4453 on 8/14/09


miche3754,kathr4453,
Here is a pearl standing way high above the swinery:
Ephesians 5:14: "Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light."

From Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary,
"The Church, and each individual is similarly called to awake. Believers are called on to "awake" out of sleep, unbelievers, to "arise" from the dead (compare Mt 25:5, Ro 13:11, 1Th 5:6, with Eph 2:1)."
---Nana on 8/13/09


1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


YES. "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God". But some people hear it and hear it and hear it...yet do not come to faith. Why? Is the Word less powerful sometimes than others? Are some people less intelligent, less wise, less spiritually inclined and therefore the Word cannot affect them? Should Miche3754 or Kathr4453 be praised because they made a better choice about eternity than many others?

I don't think so. I think they have only the Holy Spirit to thank for bringing the Word to life in their understanding.
---Donna on 8/13/09


...Sin was dealt with at the Cross...

I was once lost and knew not where to go. Then one day I heard the good news of Jesus Christ, that HE came to distroy sin so we all could have that chance to be with God forever. All I needed to do was believe in HIM and trust in Calvary. I did that, and THEN God took over. HE came to me and gave me a total change of mind and set me free from bondage. I now, have a new life. I am in HIM and HE is in me. HE set me free from sin. Im now a child of GOD and know in my heart, I will never lose so great a salvation.
---duane on 8/13/09


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MICHE:

# Joshua 2:11
For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you, ..... And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath.

Isn't if very INTERESTING James talkes about Rahab, and said because she HEARD and acted, she was JUSTIFIED......nothing about being Born again.

AGAIN, MarkV does not understand JUSTIFICATION. He completely ignors it. YET, no one, no one at all can be saved without being JUSTIFIED!

He completely IGNORS Romans 4....JUSTIFICATION.

MarkV, does not believe the Bible Miche.
---kathr4453 on 8/13/09


Also. Markv,

To be born of the Spirit, you must first accept Christ as your savior.
You seem to have salvation backwards.
We are first born in the flesh, accept Jesus as our savior and become born of the Spirit.
NOT born of the spirit, then flesh then ask Jesus as our savior.
Christ won't come live in us until we ask for forgiveness and repent. And the Holy Spirit won't come to us until we have asked for forgiveness and repented of our sins.
The Holy Spirit won't live in an unclean temple. God's spirit is drawn in the mist by US speaking his holy words that cause condemnation to sinners.
---miche3754 on 8/13/09


Nana, in the presence of Christ is not physical, in context to those who are lost in spiritual death. Not all who were in the presence of Christ in person receive faith. That is pretty obvious since a lot of people He talked to did not believe.
Once a person is born of the Spirit when God draws him to Himself, (which is something you don't believe since you follow RCC teachings) they are given to Christ, "John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day" they spiritually stand before Christ for the first time since their separation, and they will receive faith, will be convicted, they will repent and they will confess Jesus as Lord to the glory of God.
---MarkV. on 8/13/09


Yes, Markv,
The lost can here God's words from US!!
That is how his Spirit draws them.
Isn't that how God saved you? I know it is me.
Some who was a Christian told me God's word and I responded to his calling me.
That is how the first step is made. And that is how anyone can come to God. By the going out of his word. And it will not return void. Eventually, if you tell someone enough, they will realize that God is real and that is calling them.
We don't receive the Holy Spirit until after we confess our sins and Jesus comes to live in us.
The way you put things Markv, is like saying that we preach and spread the Gospel in vain and God says that is not true.
---miche3754 on 8/13/09


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Miche, MarkV seems to have overlooked Ninevah, and they repented. Actually in the book of Jonah, REPENT is not even said once, yet these depraved?? people did repent and God did not destroy them.

Jesus said in the Gospels to Israel, that at the judgement, Ninevah will rise up and curse Israel..why, because Ninevah heard and repented...

No one needs to be Born Again FIRST as Ninevah did not either to KNOW the God of Abraham Isaac & Jacob, as did even the Gentiles. Just read the beginning of Joshua....Rahab said THEY HEARD....and SHE ACTED!!!! Read Heb 11 and James concerning Rahab!
---kathr4453 on 8/13/09


For those who can hear. All others, I cannot help you, you need to be born of the Spirit.
Miche,
"Faith comes from hearing, hearing the word of God. That is truth, if you could hear. But the lost do not hear or see, they are spiritually dead, with no understanding."
Spiritual life comes from the Holy Spirit to those who are lost. "Faith does not bring life, the Holy Spirit does." Faith brings trust in the works of Christ. "What a lost person needs is for God to draw them to Himself, when He draws them, they are no longer separated from Him. When they are in the presence of Christ, they will receive faith, they will beg for mercy and they will repent. No one can come to the Father unless He draws them.
---MarkV. on 8/13/09


By the way Markv,
God's Spirit lives in and through his word.
Remember, "the word became flesh and dwelt among us".
"I will write my words and laws on their hearts and they sahll be my people and I will be their God."
So, YES, God's Spirit is in his words. When we exercise the 5 fold ministries, God's Spirit moves and touches everyone of us. God's spirit will move upon sinners, calling to them.
See, you have your doctrine wrong.
I am still waiting on the scripture that says God created ome people to go to hell with no chance of salvation. I have asked you 20 times for it and still no answer.
---miche3754 on 8/13/09


MarkV,
Sin is doing the opposite of what we KNOW we should do while having KNOWLEDGE and the means to not do it.
John 14:11: "Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake."
John 15:22: "If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin."

"When they are in the presence of Christ, they will receive faith,"
Please show where did the disciples receive the faith they asked for in Luke 17:1-10.
---Nana on 8/13/09


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Mark E your are right to a point. BUT God will not draw unless a person is shown their sin. How are they shown their sin?
Through God's word. God plainly says that HIS words have power!!!!!
When you preach God's word to sinners they will either repent or get worse because God has allowed their heart to harden!
Markv has distorted the verse that says unless the Spirit draws. He believes God has made some men destined for Hell when that is NOT biblical. I have asked him to provide scripture to this fact but he has not.
Again Markv, you have your doctrine wrong. Mark E, I am not sure how you can realistically agree with someone who twists scripture as Markv does. Kath, Thanks sis!!!
---miche3754 on 8/13/09


Miche,
"Faith comes from hearing, hearing the word of God. That is truth, if you could hear. But the lost do not hear or see, they are spiritually dead, with no understanding."
Spiritual life comes from the Holy Spirit to those who are lost. " Faith does not bring life, the Holy Spirit does." Faith brings trust in the works of Christ. "What a lost person needs is for God to draw them to Himself, when He draws them, they are no longer separated from Him. When they are in the presence of Christ, they will receive faith, they will beg for mercy and they will repent. No one can come to the Father unless He draws them.
---MarkV. on 8/12/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

God speaks in many languages but with only one voice. His language is of the Heart & Soul, but always it is the same voice. He speaks with the voice of Hope, Trust, Strength & Compassion. Speaking through us is His voice by our ancestors,.....and our inheritors waiting to be born.

It is the small still voice that says 'We Are One', gathered together in this common cause we recognize this single Truth, 'That We Must Be Kind To One Another'. No matter the denomination, traditions, skin or country 'We Are One' : no matter the pain or lost, 'We Are One', being enriched & ennobled by each voice to stay Spiritual Minded.
---ShawnM.T. on 8/12/09


Information from Bible,John 6:45 no man can come to me,except the father who hath sent me draw him,and I will raise him up in the last day. No man comes to God simply by deciding he will do so. He isn't saved when he comes but God is already working on him,getting him to the place where he falls down before the Lord and cries out for mercy and forgiveness of his sins. Even though God draws us to him,we still have to decide to allow ourselves to respond,bottom line our will is still free to say no or yes but it is the love of God for lost humankind which gives man the Direction he needs to go,what actions he needs to take. The Word brings faith which comes by hearing,Acts 2:21 whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
---Darlene_1 on 8/12/09


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Markv, you can disagree with me, BUT the Word is the Word.
Brother, I've asked you many times HOW you believe sinners get saved but you won't answered. miche***

MarkV beats around the bush. You will never get a STREIGHT answer or a scriptural one. Because Calvin believed he was born again/regenerated at his infant baptismal, Calvin himself cannot tell you when he got saved. Therefore MarkV cannot FIND the answer you are asking in the Institutes of Calvinism.

According to MarkV, a magic wand was waved over those baptized as infants and they became the born again/ regenerated elect. Babies cannot hear or respond to OUR GOSPEL, only to theirs, which is no gospel at all, or any requirements to respond or repent.

---kathr4453 on 8/12/09


Miche, Jerry, Nana:

I must agree with MarkV. The Scriptures are clear. We cannot come to God until He draws us FIRST.

John 6:37 "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out"

John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day"

John 6:64-65 "But there are some of you who do not believe, For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him. And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.".
---Mark_Eaton on 8/12/09


Miche, you said you ask me a question how sinners get saved. I don't know where you have been in the last few months but most of what I have answered is concerning how sinners get saved.
Faith comes from hearing, hearing the word of God. That is truth, if you can hear. The lost do not hear or see, they are spiritually blind and have no understanding.
Spiritual life comes from the Holy Spirit to those who are lost. Faith does not bring life, the Holy Spirit does. Faith brings trust in the works of Christ. But you cannot trust in someone you are separated from if you are spiritually dead. Spiritual death is separation from God. If you could get this, you would have it all. The question is, can you hear?
---MarkV. on 8/12/09


Markv, you can disagree with me, BUT the Word is the Word.
Brother, I've asked you many times HOW you believe sinners get saved but you won't answered.
I can tell you what the Word of God says about it.
Faith comes from hearing and hearing by the WORD OF GOD.
This means they must hear what God says through the Bible. That God can do all things and bring them to Salvation from hearing what he has to say.
Then they will repent and Jesus will come and make his abode in them. They will have the Holy Spirit living in them . This happens by them HEARING God's word. Thats why we preach, evangelize, spread the Gospel. TO SAVE SOULS!
Again, you got your doctrine wrong. And Jerry is right!
---miche3754 on 8/12/09


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Jerry, I disagree with you and Miche. The lost don't come to Christ unless God comes to them first. At least not by their own free will. It takes an act of God for them to come.
"For He says to Moses, I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion" Here is why you are wrong Jerry, "So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs" clearly He says, not by man's free will, or his merits (run)"But of God who show mercy." Roman 9:15,16. Seems that both of you are going against God' Word. I would suggest for both of you to take a deep breath and read the passages in Romans 9.
---MarkV. on 8/11/09


The lost is truly in bondage to sin, but what is sin? The Bible definition of sin is "the transgression of the Law" (1John 3:4). So if you're an habitual Law-breaker, the Bible says you're in bondage to sin. But, good news! Jesus came to save all of us from the bondage of sin! But it takes an act of our own free will or choice (even in our lost state) to come to Christ and repent of our sins. Then He will free us from the bondage of sin.
---jerry6593 on 7/11/09

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!
---miche3754 on 8/10/09


Nana, glad you corrected me. I do know nothing about you. have a great day
---MarkV. on 7/16/09


"You also accuse R.C. Sproul of been a Spinozist, without warrant at all. I really don't know what a Spinozist is and would never accuse someone of something I never studied on as you do."
MarkV. on 7/9/09
What you have studied or not have nothing to do with what I have and what I know. Aren't you pretentious in saying I speak of what I have not studied? How do you arrive at that reasoning when you have no idea of what is that I am saying, per your own admission? When have I let on that I am RCC? On the contrary, it is you who have confessed that faith before. You also suffer from hero worship.
---Nana on 7/14/09


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What does the will do when it has nothing to motivate it? It does nothing. It cannot choose right or wrong since it has nothing, "it is free" from any inclinations of any kind. The will is unable to make a choice.
It needs a desire or a reason to make a decision, and once the will gets a reason or desire, it is no longer free.
All the lost have a will, but their will is to do their fathers desires, the devil. It is in bondage to sin. It has no desire or reason to choose Christ, that's why it cannot.
It needs to have a reason and desire to choose Christ, so God gives him that desire when He quickens him and plants a new heart in him. He releases him from the captivity of sin. With a new heart he will choose Christ.
---MarkV. on 7/13/09


Jerry, It would be good for you to read and ask the Spirit to help you, because if the Spirit is not with you, you will never understand, that is where the lost are at. What they need is for God to bring them alive in order for them to understand the
word of God through the Spirit. And since the Spirit is not endwelling the unbeliever, the unbeliever has no way of knowing anything about God. He is spiritually dead he cannot discern spiritual matters for the cross to him is foolishness. He has a will, but it is in bondage to sin. He will make choices all his life, but never for God. His will is trapped. God has to release him and open his eyes and ears and give him a new heart. Otherwise he remains the same free to go to hell.
---MarkV. on 7/13/09


MarkV: "You might have a free choice, but not a free will. The lost is not free, he is in bondage to sin."

Is this yet another exercise in semantics? What do YOU consider the essential difference(s) between an individual's free exercise of his will and his freedom of choice? The lost is truly in bondage to sin, but what is sin? The Bible definition of sin is "the transgression of the Law" (1John 3:4). So if you're an habitual Law-breaker, the Bible says you're in bondage to sin. But, good news! Jesus came to save all of us from the bondage of sin! But it takes an act of our own free will or choice (even in our lost state) to come to Christ and repent of our sins. Then He will free us from the bondage of sin.
---jerry6593 on 7/11/09


Nana, it seems to me that no matter the answer you will still disagree. You also accuse R.C. Sproul of been a Spinozist, without warrant at all. I really don't know what a Spinozist is and would never accuse someone of something I never studied on as you do. Your indoctrination from the RCC will always keep you blind to the real Truth. I pity you have to resort to saying things in order to be heard.
Sproul does not believe in "free will" because there is no such thing as free will. The will is never free, it always has a motive or reason for answering. If it was free, the person would not know what to choose. You might have a free choice, but not a free will. The lost is not free, he is in bondage to sin.
---MarkV. on 7/9/09


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MarkV,
Quote:
"When we do what we know is wrong, we choose to disobey God's law and sin."
From Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
End Quote.
That fellow must be a Spinozist also (judging by the eric1968) for Sproul says he does not believe in free-will, yet writes that "we choose". He must conclude with them that having made a choice is fatal in the sense that it can't be undone (done otherwise after the fact). Must be why God, Jesus, Paul and any other light in God's kingdom has said something on the order of, 'Choose, and choose wisely..."
---Nana on 7/8/09


Nana, for your information they were quotes from the studies he gave in person at our convention in Sacramento for "The Alliance of Confessing Evangelitcals" John MacAthur was the main speaker. I am committed to studying anyway I can.
Second, I never denied "freedom" I deny "Free will" because it does not exist in anyone, everyone has a reason for his choices so the mind is not free.
Third, I have not changed my mind on the gospel of Christ.
Forth, Darline is a sister of mine, who has been excellent in answering without condemning anyone. She is a Pentecostal and a great sister who stands for the Truth. I hope you get to meet her.
---MarkV. on 7/7/09


MarkV. ,
Those are some fine quotes from R.C. Sproul's book "Essential Truths of the Christian Faith". Only problem is that you have denied the law and that man has "freedom" and a will in the past. Have you changed your "free" mind on those subjects or are you just quoting again without tought? Who is Darline?
---Nana on 7/6/09


Darline, in biblical terms the mark that is missed is God's law. God's law expresses His own righteousness and the ultimate standard for our behavior. When we miss achieving this standard we sin. Missing the mark. "For all sin and fall short of the glory of God"
Second, sin is transgression against the law. We walk where we are not permitted to walk. This is a sin of commission where we are not permitted to walk.
Third, sin is an action performed by all man. As creatures made in the image of God, we have freedom, we have a mind and a will so we are capable of moral sin. When we do what we know is wrong we sin.
---MarkV. on 7/6/09


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Alan: I too suffer from the curse of perpetual editing. After 40+ years of technical writing, I tend to edit everything I read. But, like all writers, I can never sufficiently edit that which I write. I learned years ago to always have someone else edit my work, since I'll read over my own errors time after time without catching them.
---jerry6593 on 7/6/09


I am just writing in such a way for the end user to understand IE using their language. Then tenents of faith or traditions must follow the Bible are they are invalid.
---Ed on 7/4/09


Jerry ... Yes it's horrible sometimes pointing out errors such as that, 'cos it makes you seem so superior, and I'm not ... it's just I have the sort of eye that spots spelling errors and the brain that remembers spellings, however useless it may be at other things.

I too wondered why Darlene answered me, but I see she used the word when asking the original question!
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/4/09


Jerry6953, no I'm not ED,evidently there are two of us who can't spell,ha ha. My problem is,when I went to College,a while ago,I took so many notes and abbreviated the words,ever since I can't spell anymore. Before College I did great at spelling,as I said,now I must check many words with the dictionary to be sure. Oh well if that was my only problem in life I wouldn't have any.
---Darlene_1 on 7/4/09


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jerry6593,
I tought the same at first but on further scrutiny, Darlene_1 made a typo in declaring the blog, Ed perpetuated the error.
---Nana on 7/4/09


Darlene 1: Are you Ed?

Alan: Thanks for saying what I was going to say. Now I don't have to appear pedantic.
---jerry6593 on 7/4/09


Alan of UK,thank you for the correction,yes exactly what I meant. I just laughed because usually I check my spelling with a dictionary and I didn't that time and messed up.
---Darlene_1 on 7/3/09


Ed, I think you got the first sentence reverse. If they come from the Word of God "they are not sin."
---MarkV. on 7/3/09


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Sorry for being pedantic, but do you mean tenets of faith?
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/3/09


If the Tenants of Faith or Traditions are based on the Bible then it is sin. If not, then it's not.
---Ed on 7/3/09


Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
---jerry6593 on 7/3/09


Oh my goodness I could educate some people, my God, about YOU!!!! Don't worry too much about sin. You belong to God [God has His ways] When you need correcting God will do it. Neither worry about tradition.
---catherine on 7/2/09


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Janze, I love what Donna wrote. What you said I've been saying for long time already. It seems that many think that doing good deeds gets them somewhere and maybe deserve some kind of credit. But if it is not of faith it is sin. What we do must be done out of faith in Christ in order for it to have any value. God is the giver of all good things "every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights," and He deserves the credit we many times take for ourselves. A lost person can give a cup of water to someone thirsty, but he cannot give a cup of water to him in the name of Jesus Christ because he has no faith. Without faith it is sin. It's as if he is saying it came from me and not from God.
---MarkV. on 7/2/09


Sin is more than not observing or breaching the commandments. 'Whatsoever that is NOT of faith is sin'. (The last part of Romans 14:23). That definition is a far more pervasive and profound requirement.
---Janze on 7/2/09


Donna66,
Excellent commentary!
---Nana on 7/2/09


I see no reason to balk at ALL tradition, even if it is a tradition of man rather than God.
If a church teaches that some ritual or declaration of faith has, in itself, saving power, I would reject that claim.

But practices such as communion, baptism, certain "holy" days, foot washing, visitation, music style or presentation vary. If the teachings about these things do not violate the Nature and Spirit of God or are not used to substitute for what God wants to do, I can tolerate them.

I have seen some Christians who deprive themselves of valuable teaching and Christian fellowship by insisting a church meet their requirements in every detail. Some remain un-churched for this reason.
---Donna66 on 7/1/09


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Sin is going against what God wants, not against what man wants. Man wants us to follow his rules, not God's. Some people want to control other people, but there is great liberation in saying, "I don't obey you or your "special club", I obey God."
---amand6348 on 6/30/09


"All unrighteousness is sin" (in 1 John 5:17). For Christians, I understand that a definition of sin is mainly for showing us the good way to go, not for criticizing and guilt-tripping us . . . or else we could be sinning by worrying and getting down when we can freely be forgiven. One thing > Colossians 3:15 shows God wants us to be ruled by His peace in our hearts > so if we are not being personally ruled by God in His love in us, this is sin. If we allow things of this life to get us down and out of it, this is not obeying how Jesus desires to rule us. But this means to be encouraged that God really does want to correctively heal us (James 5:16) to share constantly with Him in His loving and ruling peace.
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/30/09


sin is a transgression against Gods word,or how we treat others,or what decisions we make in our lives against the word.Scripture tells us that even idle thoughts and words we have will be held accountable at the judgement.Now what men say and do that are mere trditions to me personally mean nothing if not written within the bible.
---tom2 on 7/1/09


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