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Jews Really God's Chosen

I'm stuck on issue that I can't seem to figure out. Israel (The Jews) are God's chosen people, yet Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah. What am I missing here?

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Kathr, Let me say I do not know all. I do know a lot but many know more then I do. I am surround by information for any topic that comes up. I do my research before I disagree with anyone. Your problem is that you speak against things you know nothing about. It is not fair to speak against someone if you have never studied what you speak against, but you still do it. Just take "replacement theology". it teaches that the Church has categorically replaced Israel. Calvinism or reform does not teach that. Neither do they teach "separation theology" (dispensationalism) that teaches the unbiblical notion that God's Israel and God's Church are two distinct entities and never the two shall meet.
---MarkV. on 8/18/09


MarkV, I realize you believe yourself to be someone who KNOWS it all, and it's your job to CORRECT those who disagree with you. However, you will have to correct more than just me. Please correct mima and all those on line who KNOW Israel is God's Chosen, including Donna66.

MarkV, we simply have different beliefs in this area.

Believe what you want, however, your insisting you need to Correct anyone is out of bounds.

You are going to have to take on a large percent of professing Christians on this subject. YOU are the one who is wrong.

So I won't be arguing with you tooth and nail until you think YOU have gotten me to give up my own personal convictions on this subject.
---kathr4453 on 8/17/09


MarkV, part 2 Please post

I have stated here over and over I do not believe in REPLACEMENT Theology. It came out of the RCC and Calvin never moved away from that mistake either.

Replacement Theology does not recognize the CHURCH and her INDIVIDUAL calling and blessings.

I know what I believe and WHY. The Lord gave me EYES to see and ears to hear the TRUTH vs your false doctrine.

Nowhere does Paul say the Church is Israel. Galatians clearly separates the two, the New Creation AND the Israel of God....

Do you know the definition of AND? It means in addition to....it does not mean WHO IS!!!

Replacement Theology is anti-Christ PERIOD!!!!
---kathr4453 on 8/17/09


Rosalie, we could use more of your insight concerning the elect the seed, the chosen ones, Remnant, are all one in meaning. Kathr might learn a thing or two and others who don't understand some of Scripture can get a head start, blessings to you
---MarkV. on 8/15/09


Kathr, I have to correct you again, when I said " Paul and Peter both taught that only believing Jews and non-Jews, together are "the people of God, the "elect of God" and the Israel of God" 1 Peter 2:9-10. The "two are One" and are "of the same body" Eph. 2:14, 3:6. " is correct and you are wrong. There is also angels who of the elect, but I did not mention they were the church. 1 Tim. 5:21 " I charge you before God and the Lord Jesus Christ and the elect angels" that you observe these things without prejudice, doing nothing with partiality." So you see, there is elect angels. If you only understood what election meant you would know this to be true.
---MarkV. on 8/15/09




His choice, no one elses. The correct understanding of John 14:6 is that Jesus is the gatekeeper to Heaven. Nobody gets to the Father, that is, gets into Heaven, except by being let in by Jesus.
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Where does it say "let" the CORRECT word is come to

Where does it say reign with Christ in "heaven"

True Christians will REIGN with Christ on EARTH not heaven

The TRUTH of John 14:6 Christ ALLOWS us to come to The Father in Heaven ...Christ does not "choose" John 10:29, 12:49
---Rhonda on 8/15/09


....Galatians 3:29 "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
---Betty on 8/14/09


Yes Betty, Gentiles are Abraham's SPIRITUAL Heirs and today are part of the CHURCH. We are as the stars, ABOVE!

Earthly Israel, as the sand, will INHERIT the Earth, be brought back to the Land of their inheritance..and God WILL again have MERCY on Jacob. Then All the earth will be at REST. *****Isaiah 14:1-7.

The Whole earth has never once been at rest. This REST is the 1000 year reign, fulfilling 7000 years of humanity. 7 means Complete. Those 1000 years will complete God's plan before the New heaven and Earth!


---kathr4453 on 8/15/09


The Hebrews were the race that GOD chose to bring about His Anointed Saviour (YAHUSHUA/JESUS) to the human race. Anyone who chooses to follow GOD, is a Jew spiritually. The Gentile Saints are those who are "graffed" into the natural Jewish Branch. So that both Gentile and Jew become one in the LORD, in His Church. Right now, most Saints are of Gentile blood. But, there's coming a day when many Hebrews will finally recognize YAHUSHUA as their long-awaited Messiah, and will receive Him. But, the business of GOD's people is a Spiritual one, not just one of the blood-line. The Scriptures say that "in CHRIST, there is neither Jew nor Gentile", but, that means they are equal, that one is not superior to the other.
---Gordon on 8/15/09


No need for confusion. If you believe the NT, then you know that JC makes the picks for Heaven. His choice (he can choose anyone, christian, jew, buddhist, athiest, whatever). His choice, no one elses. The correct understanding of John 14:6 is that Jesus is the gatekeeper to Heaven. Nobody gets to the Father, that is, gets into Heaven, except by being let in by Jesus. Jesus may let them in for whatever reasons He chooses. He is not required to let in only those who believe in Him. The Biblical fact is this: belief in Jesus is the sure way to avoid Hell, but it is not necessarily the only way. Jesus Himself said that you can avoid Hell by doing good to other people out of love for them
---frank_cos on 8/14/09


CJ,You are not missing anything.Abraham was singeled out by Melchizedek who believed he will continue in teaching the true God ,as Abraham understood God in his day,but the Jews failed to complete the mission entrusted to them as Abraham taught it.Who in this age teaches a new revelation of God through who we know as the son of God??Jesus did and we today continue in his physical absence but the many Jews believed not in him then or now.
The messiah the jews were expecting is another subject of discussion.A close examination of prophecy reveals that Jesus was not and did not meet the Jews expectations.The transition away from monoethism was traditionaly too much to bear and conversion would endanger the wealthy religious system.
---earl on 8/14/09




Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

Galatians 3:29 "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
---Betty on 8/14/09


Jews are really Gods choosen people.
Problem is all wo come to christ are jews.
Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and whose circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit and not in the letter, and whose praise is not from men, but from God.

God made a covenant only with Israel.Never has God made any New covenant with a Non Jew. If any non-hebrew has accepted the new covenant, then he has accepted a jewish covenant and thus is himself a jew inwardly where it really matters.
For more on that see my book: The Image of God in This Generation
---francis on 8/14/09


The Kingdom John preached was the announcement of the Earthly Kingdom reign of JesusChrist..KING, called the Kingdom of Heaven...on Earth as it is in Heaven. That Kingdom will come on EARTH when Jesus comes in all His Glory, the crucified risen Christ, and earth will be as it is in Heaven. John said I must decrease (the Gospel of the Kingdom) and HE must increase...the Gospel of salvation in Christ's death and resurrection.

John did not preach salvation based on Jesus death and resurrection life.

However it took the death and resurrection to FULFILL what could not be fulfilled at John's time.

Why people think God did away with those promises is beyond me.

Not rightly dividing the word of Truth I guess!
---kathr4453 on 8/14/09


meira -- I haven't read too many of your other blogs, and those I did read didn't immediately come to mind when answering your question.

I agree that God ( or "Yah") was indeed fulfilling His own prophesy and promise by restoring the nation of Israel. This confirms to me that the Church and Israel are separate entities, with separate histories and destinies. The rest of your reasoning confuses me, but doubless The "grafting in" is spiritual... "circumcision of the heart". I do not see that the Church can therefore claim all the promises made to the physical nation of Israel.
---Donna66 on 8/13/09


Donna66, Obviously, Yah was fulfilling his own prophecies with the reestablishment of Israel.

If you have read any other my other blogs, you would know that I believe that "the Church-those who believe in Yahushua and follow the commandments (Rev 14:12)" is a part of Israel- and not separate.

"the Church" is no more special than the Jews, becasue we are grafted into Israel.
---Meira on 8/13/09


Meira---Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and whose circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit and not in the letter, and whose praise is not from men, but from God.

This is the sense in which we are grafted in.

But this does not mean that circumsized, Torah believing Jews cease to exist. Nor does it mean that God has abandoned the promise He made to them.

Gen 17:7 I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come.

Did God make such a promise to the CHURCH?
Did God promise the CHURCH a land to posses?
Do you not see something miraculous about the re-establishment of Israel in 1948?
---Donna66 on 8/13/09


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Most Jews reject Jesus Christ as the Messiah. They hate him & look for a different messiah.
*****

RELIGION DUPES many into belief that Jewish people hate Christ ...far from truth

WHICH messiah does self professing RELIGIOUS christianity look to? 2Corin 4:11 these same self-named christians cannot comprehend Christ - MANY honor me with lips but are FAR from me Matt 15:8 because they are unable to discern WHICH Christ

Israel rejected Christ in FLESH just like self-professing religious christianity ALL from rcc REJECTS CHRIST following another pagan christ

Gods Kingdom on EARTH YET to come Israel is Gods chosen people of which TRUE Christians are GRAFTED in - Gods Truth or LIES of religion
---Rhonda on 8/13/09


Yes they are !! John 1 v 11. Jesus came unto His own & they received him not. The Jewish people wanted an earthly king & not a Heavenly King. Jesus therefor came to us gentiles,(even some Jewish people that have seen the True Light). Aft the rapture will take place, then Jesus will return unto his first-chosen, & the Jewish people will realize that Jesus is Messiah.
---Lawrence on 8/11/09

AMEN lawrence.

And if MarkV really understood this as well, he would realize the Kingdom of God includes the Kingdom of Heaven...Jesus Earthly Kingdom Reign, and that the Kingdom of God INCLUDES ALL, including Angels. We know Angels aren't born again of the Spirit to see and enter in.
---kathr4453 on 8/13/09


Meira, You are pulling hairs with the word "Church." the nation of Israel is not the church, "the elect only is the church. Paul and Peter both taught that only believing Jews and non-Jews, together are "the people of God, the "elect of God" and the Israel of God" 1 Peter 2:9-10. The "two are One" and are "of the same body" Eph. 2:14, 3:6. The Israel of God mentioned in Gal. 6:14-16 God sees as having one faithful Israel throughout history composed of true Israelites and true Gentiles who believe in the Messiah, (either looking forward to His cross in the Old Testament days, or looking back to His all sufficient Atonement).
---MarkV. on 8/13/09


//Israel and the Church have different places in God's plan. Donna66//

Donna66, Israel is the "Church". Who do you think Gentiles are grafted into? Themselves? (Romans 11)

Follow the language.

Church- English substitue for Greek Ekklesia, which means "assembly".

(the word church is a derivative of the old english word "kirk", which originally was the name of the place of worship that held pagan assemblies in england, but then was generally accepted as the name of the place of worship for "christians" as the kingdom became christian/catholic)

Assembly in hebrew is Kahal or Qahal.

The Kahal is the hebrew word that we find for the assembly at Mt Sinai.
---Meira on 8/12/09


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Yes they are !! John 1 v 11. Jesus came unto His own & they received him not. The Jewish people wanted an earthly king & not a Heavenly King. Jesus therefor came to us gentiles,(even some Jewish people that have seen the True Light). Aft the rapture will take place, then Jesus will return unto his first-chosen, & the Jewish people will realize that Jesus is Messiah.
---Lawrence on 8/11/09


meira- Most Jews reject Jesus Christ as the Messiah. They hate him & look for a different messiah. Jesus said that anyone who hates Him hates the Father God who sent Him(John 15:23-24). Matthew 23:38 Jesus said, "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate." Matthew 21:43 Jesus said, "Therefore I say unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." 2John 1:7 says that any who confess not that Jesus Christ has already come in the flesh is a deceiver and an antichrist. Any real Christian Jews or real Christians of any kind are God's people.
---Betty on 8/11/09


It's a common, and I believe false belief, that the Church is "spiritual Israel". Other than the scripture that states gentiles are "grafted in", I see no indication that the Church replaces Israel in any way.

Israel was chosen as a nation, Christians are chosen as individuals.
God's purposes for Israel applied to the nation of Israel...members were born Israelites. Membership in the church is by individual choice.
And what He promises the church is quite different from what He promised Israel (and vice versa) An Israelite can belong to the church and be part of God's will for it., but a Christian can't be part of Israel unless he is a citizen.

Israel and the Church have different places in God's plan.
---Donna66 on 8/9/09


"Chosen", "Save", "Elect", "Remnant", "Seeds" Those are one meaning. God used Israel as earthly representation of Gods Kingdom only in Old Testament but it does not mean that all Jews are chosen or saved. Few were saved only Romans 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

---rosalie on 8/9/09


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Israel is the whole collection of believers in God, Jew and Gentile...
---Brian on 8/7/09

Brian,
You are correct. In addition, Isaiah 56 shows us that even before Messiah arrived the foreigner/gentiles/goyim have always been equal with the Israelites in the eyes of God as long as they join with Israel in obedience to God.
God doesn't change. :)
---AG on 8/8/09


CJ, you ask a very austute question. The answers to that causes many conflicts to interpreting the Bible, and what will happen in the future. I don't think you are missing much, just keep asking questions. Anyone that can ask that question is pretty much a thinking person. There is not room here to answer all the variations of that question. To expand your question, what is the difference between the literal Israel, Jew, and Gentiles who are grafted in? As one seeks answers to those questions, one can at least understand why people believe what they believe in this area.
Definitions of Israel: There is literal Israel, spiritual Israel, Literal Jew, spiritual Jew (Gentiles or Jew). There's probably more, but I'd have to look at the context.
---Rod on 8/8/09


Abraham would commit to the Lord more than foreskins:

Genesis 18:17-19: "And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do, Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment, that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him."

John the Baptist demanded it, Luke 3:8.
---Nana on 8/8/09


yes, it's not through DNA that we are the people of God, but by belief in Christ (faith) that we are His people. So we are the children of Abraham if we are true believers. God chose the nation Israel to start the work of redemption for His people even though not everyone was a believer in the nation of Israel.
---Tony on 8/7/09


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Not only is it against the Word of God Mima, it is a bias against the Word of God! Israel indeed broke the covenant, but God was faithful to hold to His end. And while prophets like Isaiah and others are filled with rebuke for what Israel had done, it is also filled with visions of prophetic acts of forgiveness and reconciliation. Jer 31:31-34 alone proves the Southern and Northern Kingdoms will be brought into the new (or renewed) covenant and Ezk. 37 does the same in showing that, at Messiah's return (or thereabouts) both the Southern and Northern Kingdoms will be reunited never again to be divided. These things have not happened yet, so Israel is indeed still God's chosen.
---Ken_Rank on 8/7/09


Israel does not mean people of Jewish descent.
Galatians 3:29 "if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
1 Peter 2:9 "But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light."
Israel is the whole collection of believers in God, Jew and Gentile.
This does not change the fact that they received the law and prophets first. God showed his grace to them before the he did to the Gentiles, but God is "the God of the Gentiles too." Romans 3:29
---Brian on 8/7/09


I believe the Jews are still God's chosen people.
Genesis 17:7 (New King James Version)
And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.

How long is everlasting? The Jews rejected God many times...they made Him angry many times...but He was there for them when they repented.
Some people feel that the book of Hosea is actually a picture for God"s relationship with Israel.
---Donna66 on 8/7/09


friends,
The bible clearly says that "the gifts and callings of God are without repentance"

HE chose the Jews NOT because they were better or more attractive---HE chose them in pure grace to bestow His mercy upon them

so HE will NOT give up His covenant with them
We are in the dispensation of Grace to ALL now but after the rapture God will have a remnant of Jews that He will keep His promises to them. His chosen ones for His servant David's sake
---june on 8/7/09


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"That Jews are not His chosen people anymore since they rejected Jesus Christ.
---Betty on 8/5/09"

This statement is not only wrong but it actually goes against the Word of God as taught in the Bible!
---mima on 8/7/09


Betty...and others who might feel the same way. The word "Jew" is simply the modern shortened form of the word Judah. Israel was split into 2 Kingdoms after Soloman, and when they went into Babylon, mainly the Southern Kingdom, (made up of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and some Levi) returned afterward. The Northern Kingdom was scattered/dispersed. Today's Jews are primarily the Southern Kingdom, Judah. When Messiah returns, those two Kingdoms WILL BE reunited never again to be divided. Read Ezk 37 and Jer 31 as two witnesses of proof text. (there are others) So if you believe ALL Jews are lost, you simply have not read in scripture those places which show otherwise. Then, for kicks, read Matt 15:24.

Peace.
Ken
---Ken_Rank on 8/7/09


That Jews are not His chosen people anymore since they rejected Jesus Christ.
---Betty on 8/5/09

Yes, they are. The convenants were made with Abraham and Jacob AND with their seed (children). The Jews are simply people from 2 tribes (from 2 sons of jacob).

Rom 11 clearly states that Gentiles are grafted in to the tree. The tree are all the tribes of israel (inclding the Jews) and the root is yahushua (jesus)
---Meira on 8/6/09


That Jews are not His chosen people anymore since they rejected Jesus Christ.
---Betty on 8/5/09


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Part 1
First, the understanding the terminology is essential. All Jews are a part of Israel, but not all of Israel are Jews. "Jew" is specific term that relates specifically to those of the tribe of Yahudah and Benyamin that lived in the are of Judea.

The other ten tribes were scattered amongst the gentiles and LOST THEIR IDENTITY AS TORAH KEEPERS. They became like the gentiles they lived amongst so that they many of them forgot the heritage and called themselves gentiles. However, Elohim knows who they are and has not forgotten their heritage and his promises.
---Meira on 8/4/09


Part 1 The questioner must seperate fact, from fiction and confusion.

There was 12 TRIBES all chosen. 10 were scattered because they joined the Babylonian pagan idol family worship(BAAL-EASTER)etc. 2 were spared Jews and Benjamites. They both merged as Jews and saw themselves as the only remnant of Isreal left to keep the Siani and Moab Covenants.

After Messiah came, many beleived and were called the sect of the Nazerenes or Way that accepted Gentiles as Jews by a New or renewed Covenant. Others did not and fought against them. In 70 AD the Temple destroyed and 135AD Jerusalem sacked with the dispersal of more Jews and leveling of Jerusalem.
---Yochanan on 7/10/09


Part 2 They are still active in different sects of pharasee-orthodox, karaite, reformed,athiest and Messianic Jew variants. YHWH (God) has not left them out in His Salvation. However Messiah's blood is the Only Way to Adoni.

What is interesting in history is in the "month of July or Tammuz" the 1st & 2nd Temple and Jerusalem throughout the 3000 Years have been destroyed in judgement.

Judaism is not the same religion it was because it does not have the Temple system, however, Yahushua(Jesus) is the High Priest who made the final sacrifice and put away the atonement aspect of the Law.
---Yochanan on 7/10/09


The "Jews" were chosen for a purpose. That was to bless all nations through their blood line. This came about because of the obedience of Abraham in his willingness to obey God. The blessing to all nations came in Jesus Christ. Some don't accept it but it is available anyway.
Now, guess what? You and I are chosen also. But, are you and I really meeting the purpose that we were chosen for? If we could get rid of our selfish attitude then we might be able to say yes. I don't like my "comfort zone" disturbed. How about you?
Sometimes it has to wrecked to accomplish God's purpose for me.
---Elder on 7/10/09


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17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree,I believe there's a great hidden truth in the verse
---mima on 7/4/09

Trees....Only Israel was an Olive tree. Judah was the Fig Tree.

Northern Kindom divorced 10 nations. Judah was not at that time. When the Husband dies...the wife is free for remarriage. YAH-shua...died. The Bridegroom cometh for his Cleansed virgin. Ten=coins,lepers,servants,blind,virgins....
nations of Israel. In placed by GOD at the very end of Revelations. If you have the Heb 8:10 laws written....you may be this "unknown" today corn that will be sifted.
---Trav on 7/10/09


Would the bloggers who are looking at this question please consider the following verses. Romans 11:14-18,
" 14If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

...I believe there's a great hidden truth in the verse
---mima on 7/4/09

There is...it is speaking of the Northern Kindom...that was cast off. 11 nations of Israel. The Southern Kindom..Judah/Benj is who is being spoken too.
---Trav on 7/10/09


From Romans 9:
"For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel"
"Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children"
---Nana on 7/3/09

Nana, you put so much in one post...I'll bust up the reply.

Although he doesn't come often to mind...and it was pointed out to me....Esau is who is referred to above. The twin of Jacob....who would throw off the yoke eventually. Who GOD hated from the womb.
Herod was of this line. Edom is Esau. They exist today.....look for the marks.
---Trav on 7/10/09


The Hebrew Scriptures say God chose the Jews. The Quran says God chose the Arabs. The Vedas say God chose the Aryans. All national scriptures claim chosenness for their nations. We can rightfully ignore all such claims.
---eric1968 on 7/3/09

The Hebrew does not say he chose "Jews/Judah" only. He chose "Israel"..only. As a wife.

The "New" Covenant says no different.

He is GOD. He can do what he wants. Whether we like,understand or the popular doctrines agree.
---Trav on 7/10/09


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Now the Jews where not chosen to spread the gospel, jesus chose his disciples for that, a job they actually performed quite well, proof since the christian church became paganised, the spreading of the gospel came to a practical stand sill. it took pagan christianity 1800 years to spread the news arround the world whilst the jewish christians only took 150 years on foot to spread the news in the then known modern world up to britany.
Jews where chosen to keep the word (they did)
to bring the meshiah in this world (Christ came) it seems that it is rather us who are not accomplishing Gods commands. then jews
---andy3996 on 7/10/09


The Jews were chosen by God to spread the Gospel throughout the world and too "usher" in His Kingdom here on earth. But this never happened because the Jews rejected Christ as Lord, Messiah, and King.
---Rob on 7/6/09


if we could concentrate upon the reason of Gods choise. Why did God choose the Jewish people. answer that, and you'l figure out wether He chose them.

No good jew sees this question like we do, whenever we speak about being chosen, we think "FAVORITE" when a jew talks about being chosen he thinks "EXTRA WORK AND RESPONSABILITY".
thats why when jesus CHOSE his bride the church, it had nothing do do with an XTRA blessing, rather xtra work... let us be knowlegdeable.
---andy3996 on 7/6/09


I think it is a mistake to believe a "chosen" people must be a "saved" people.

The "chosen" people, whoever they are, are not automatically saved. Salvation requires a belief in Jesus as Savior or Messiah...this is true for anyone of any nationality.

God did not say He chose the Jews to be saved. He chose them to be a testimony to the world. He chose them to be the physical forebearers of Jesus on earth. At it seems He chose them to be a stumbling block for the nations.
---Donna66 on 7/5/09


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I believe I have it, Mima. None of us saved or lost are too great. And the ones who are saved are saved only by the grace of God [as a great favour]. Jews and the Gentiles deserves hell. The world means>>> that it does not matter what nationality that you are, nor the color of one's skin. God's people are not to ever think of themselves as better than anyone else. We depend on God way too much to actually get us to heaven, and to save us down here. Which means, when we are in trouble we call on God to [help us]. Also, every human-being should be given proper respect, because we are all made in the image of God. Jews and Gentiles alike...[I may not had cover all scriptures] on this. Have a good day+
---catherine on 7/4/09


You are missing the fact that the Jews as a chosen people choose to reject Jesus a their Savior. Fortunately the individual Jew is not
bound by that rejection and can secure his/her salvation by accepting the gift whichJesus gave to ALL who would believe in Him. John 3:16
---Pierre on 7/4/09


Would the bloggers who are looking at this question please consider the following verses. Romans 11:14-18,
" 14If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree,I believe there's a great hidden truth in the verse
---mima on 7/4/09


Enough is enough. We need to clear this up so hearts can move onto other matters. There is too much strife in arguments against "God's chosen people" on this blog and its dangerous. Rejection of the Jew is the rejection of Christ and the plan of the father.

I implore you to read and meditate on Romans 11:25.

God has put a certain vail or blindness on the Jew "until the fullness of the Gentiles come in."

So Jews are missing the boat as part of God's plan to grant the knucklehead Gentiles millenia after millenia to get on board and we're arguing about how many Jews may or may not go to hell? Good grief brethren, their suffering is for your benefit.<> Keep beating yourself over the head with John 4:22
---larry on 7/3/09


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>>Well, Since Jesus came only to the nations of Israel, am I to conclude that there were no other nations on earth, at the time?<<
Janze.

No. The OT shows that the Hebrew God was known to (and feared by) many tribes before Jesus came. Jesus recognized and ministered to Gentiles (non-Jewish), many of whom put their faith in Him. The religious leaders among his own people, the Jews, however, were His harshest critics.

>>All national scriptures claim chosenness for their nations...
We can rightfully ignore all such claims<< eric 1968

How so? If three people believe three different things, does that mean none of them can be correct?
---Donna66 on 7/3/09


The Hebrew Scriptures say God chose the Jews. The Quran says God chose the Arabs. The Vedas say God chose the Aryans. All national scriptures claim chosenness for their nations. We can rightfully ignore all such claims.
---eric1968 on 7/3/09


These people, have kept, the lord alive in word.
Trying, like many to understand salvation.
Instead of understanding, the promise has been fulfilled.
Like many I speak to, that say some are not saved.
Now, this is a true statement, if you do not understand the promise.
The lord my God is far from being weak! Glory to God!

Now, I am not saying, I have anything more or less then anyone.
But, I am saying, do not point your finger at yourself or anyone.
For, in doing it, you show your lack of understanding.
Anyway, I say, God bless you.
But, in truth, he blessed you long before I walked the earth.
Many, say Im nuts, I do believe I am! Nuts that is!
---TheSeg on 7/3/09


larry- 7-2-09 The Jew who repent will be saved & the ones who don't will go to hell.
---Betty on 7/3/09


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Well, Since Jesus came only to the nations of Israel, am I to conclude that there were no other nations on earth, at the time?
---Janze on 7/2/09


It seems quite possible to me for God to choose a people who don't "choose" Him back....as The Jews rejecting Jesus as Messiah.

The OT contains a long series of stories about God rescuing the Hebrews, often miraculously, only to be rejected or neglected by them later. They sin, they are judged, they repent, they are forgiven. The pattern continues in the NT when Jesus "comes to His own and His own received Him not". But I recall no time He abandoned them.
I seem to remember reading in the OT (but now I can't find where) God pledges that they will be His people "forever"..."until the stars are all counted" (something to that effect). Can anybody help me?
---Donna66 on 7/3/09


cj,From the early 30s to 1945 Hitler rounded up all the Jews in Germany and occupied territories sending them to death camps.
They suffered unspeakable atrocities,torture,starvation,forced labor and death to the tune of six million!
Through all those years God never lifted a finger to help them.
But for the Allied forces they would have suffered extermination!

God's chosen people?????
---1st_cliff on 7/2/09


A lot. With God's HELP I will try and explain. [I must tell you that this use to run amoke in my own mind]! When Jesus came He came for the Jews and the Gentiles. Those who believes on Him are His chosen people And those who do not believe are already condemned and sentenced, and only awaiting execution. HELL....God decided before the creation of this world that He would save only those people who believe the foolish message of the cross. Because to the unbeliever the cross is foolinessness....So, anyways, whom God saves through His Blood is God's chosen people of today.
---catherine on 7/2/09


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I'm stuck on issue that I can't seem to figure out. Israel (The Jews) are God's chosen people, yet Jews don't believe that Jesus was Messiah. What am I missing here?......BLOG QUESTION

Just because they say they are Jews....doesn't mean they are.

Find scripture you mentioned "Jews are GODs Chosen people.I'll help a little below.

the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, Israel for his peculiar treasure.
Psalm 135:3-5

Israel consists of more than Judah. Judah was his own (family..Nation)but would have him not. Israel>lost sheep nations would have him. All Israel is his peculiar (special) treasure.
1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people,
---Trav on 7/2/09


Then my question is, what happens to the other nations?
---Janze on 7/2/09


The Bible says in Romans 11 verse 1-2
"1-I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin."
"2-God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew."
Can you see the difference?
---mima on 7/2/09

Having been falsely/blindly taught as all protestants...that Judah = all Israel...I understand why everyone has forgotten about all the other Nations of Israel. This is who is being spoken of here and throughout all of the New Covenant (testament).

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 15:23-25
The 11 Northern nations of Israel that were divorced first.
---Trav on 7/2/09


I have a single question, what would have happened to the other 'nation' if the Jews had not rejected Jesus?
---Janze on 7/2/09

The answer is in scripture hundreds of times, but selfish scared false doctrines avoid it. Unnessarily.
Matthew 10:6
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

...an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
Luke 15:3-5
---Trav on 7/2/09


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mima- Those that reject Him are not His people. JESUS Himself said He was taking away the kingdom of God from them and giving it to another nation. Do you want to dispute Jesus' word? JESUS told them their house (of Judah) would be left unto them desolate. They reject Jesus & look for a different messiah. They want to rebuild the temple, but Jesus has made a temple without hands (Mark 14:58). Jesus said He destroyed the Temple of Jerusalem. They want to make offerings again, when Jesus was made the sin-offering & made atonement once & for all.
---Betty on 7/2/09


In spite some of the hidden anti-semitism on this blog, the claim that Jews are God's chosen people is fact.
God made the declaration and therefore it IS and does not depend on the Jew for God's to fullfill HIS promise. He will gather his brood in his master plan.

From Deut 14:2
the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

Betty,
the Bible makes it clear that during the last half of the Tribulation, God will focus the wrath of the Antichrist upon the Jews, bringing them to the end of themselves and motivating them to turn to God in repentance (Zechariah 12:10, Romans 9:27 and 11:25-26).
---larry on 7/2/09


I have a single question, what would have happened to the other 'nation' if the Jews had not rejected Jesus?
---Janze on 7/2/09

It was never a dice roll, he's seen the ending and the beginning. You can look at the history of the Jewish people after the captivities, and through the silent period and understand how God raised up nations the way he did to temper his people's resolve against heresy to a needle point. It's proper to say at the time of Christ they were fiercely monotheistic. Are you saying God arranged the whole thing? Bingo! That's the thing about them being a chosen people coming into play, he'll do what he needs to with them as they fit into his plan. he foreknew they're rebellion and idolatry and used it.
---Pharisee on 7/2/09


Janze- God did not intend that any should perish. He had a plan from the beginning. He determined to give everybody a chance to be saved.
---Betty on 7/2/09


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Betty wrote,"Since Jesus Christ was rejected by the Jews, they are no longer His chosen people."

The Bible says in Romans 11 verse 1-2
"1-I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin."

"2-God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew."


Can you see the difference?
---mima on 7/2/09


I have a single question, what would have happened to the other 'nation' if the Jews had not rejected Jesus?
---Janze on 7/2/09


(1) ..Matthew 21:43 Jesus said, "...The kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."
(2) ... God replaced the Old Covenant with the New Covenant.
---Betty on 7/1/09

Betty, this was pointed out to me...so I'll point too. Heb 8:8 (New Covenant)

The house of Israel mentioned first is the 11 nations divorced previous to Judah. They are the balance of your verse in Matt above. They knew scripture and were looking...
Matt10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Don't feel bad...99% of most preachers can't find them either.
---Trav on 7/1/09


It is confusing, since God and Jesus are One.
---amand6348 on 7/1/09


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(1) Since Jesus Christ was rejected by the Jews, they are no longer His chosen people. Matthew 21:43 Jesus said, "...The kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." Matthew 23:38 Jesus said, "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate."

(2) The Old Covenant was broken by them numerous times. Breaking the covenant even once made it null. God replaced the Old Covenant with the New Covenant.
---Betty on 7/1/09


You're not reading your bible to find out why the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah. Hint: It's in the Old Testament.

If you start reading from Exodus and go all the way through the Old Testament you'll not only find out why the Israelites rejected Jesus, but how they hurt God and how they disobeyed God and why they didn't inherit what they were supposed to, the promised land.

Study your bible - the answers to your questions are in there.
---anon on 7/1/09


You're missing what the Bible says in Romans 11:1-8 . The Jewish nation as a whole is today in blindness. Blinded to who they are in Christ,and blinded to the fact that Christ came to them. Jesus himself called them a "stiff-necked" people.

A close look at Romans 11:7 is very revealing,"7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for, but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded" in other verses we are told that Israel was involved in works,(doing something to gain or kept their salvation) is that sound like anyone you know of today?
Attempting to earn salvation many are putting themselves outside of the grace of Almighty God because they refuse God's grace.
---mima on 7/1/09


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