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Evidence Of 6 Day Creation

What evidence from the Bible or physical evidence that proves the earth was created in 6 days? Thanks.

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Jerry - *And you claim to be the scientific one.....

Your remark is totally stupid as anyone that is truly in the scientific community will tell you that there are many disagreements, different theories that have their strengths & weaknesses, and it is an ever changing world as new knowledge is acquired.

Your remark clearly indicates that you are really not in the scientific community at all thro you may have acquired some kind of degree in one of the sciences.

It is this kind of thing that happens when one is taught never to question anything that is on the religious platter they have been served.
---Lee1538 on 7/14/09


Lee - Exodus 20:11 says in 6 days (days corresponding to the 3 periods of unknown duration and the 3 periods of time fixed by the earth rotation w.r.t the sun, the Lord made the heavens & earth."

Jerry - Now you are adding to scripture that which was never written or even implied. Your anti-biblical theories are of your own creation - not God's.

Your is the anti-biblical junk. You really need to get real. Because far too many beliefs could not be substantiated from Scripture alone, your denomination had to anoint the works of Ellen White. Anybody that has eyes that can see should be able to see that much.
---Lee1538 on 7/14/09


*then there would have been zillions of evenings and mornings at each point on the globe...

Not at all true since we do not know how long (or pervasive) the light from God existed nor how many earth rotations there might have been during the first 3 'days' of creation.

As to 'evening & morning', did the light from God go down like the sun during the 1st 3 days?

The problem we have here, Jerry, is that the term 'day' and the phrase 'evening & morning' took on different meanings after the sun was created on the 4th day.

However, I really do not see any conflict here with any essential doctrine of the church as we can certain view these 1st 3 days of creation wrought by God alone and with unknown time duration.
---Lee1538 on 7/14/09


Lee: "the earth could have rotated zillions of times during the 1st 3 periods called 'days'."

Now reeeealy try to focus! If God is the light source for the first 3 days (and we've already agreed that He is), and if the earth rotated zillions of times, then there would have been zillions of evenings and mornings at each point on the globe. That would be in direct contradiction to the scriptural account that said there were only three!

I didn't see a rebuttal to point (2) - day 3-4 angular acceleration. Do you have one?

And you claim to be the scientific one.....
---jerry6593 on 7/14/09


Warwick -*Please tell how 'the record' presumably Scripture, allows for this?

Gen. 1:3-5 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Genesis 1:3-5 is totally silent as to the duration of the day. Absolutely for those who can read should be able to see that the 'day', 'evening & morning' took on a totally different meaning after the sun was created on the 4th day.

Please think about it since it is simply a matter of simple reasoning.
---Lee1538 on 7/13/09




Lee you write 'The point here is that the record does indeed allow for the first 3 days of creation to be of undefined duration.'

Please tell how 'the record' presumably Scripture, allows for this?

'And it is that point that you have been totally unable to dispute, either from a scriptural or scientific standpoint.'

Lee you are a joke! It is we who have given numerous Scriptural references to show the 6 days of creation are of equal length and of approximately 24hrs. You have supplied nothing either of Scripture, logic, grammar or science. Nothing.

As I originally pointed out to you God is outside of time, but created time and wrote Scripture for us from our perspective e.g. sunrise.
---Warwick on 7/13/09


All you have to do is look around you and you will see the evidence of creation as it reads in scripture. Everything is the same now as it was 5 to 10 thousand years ago when God created the world. Yeas the world is only thousands of years old instead of millions. The oldest living thing every found is only 4 thousand years old. It is a tree. Everything is so complex that it could only have been created by God to work properly. There was no big bang. There is no evolution. God created everything to look and act the way it does and that is final. If that's not enough. There is more science to prove creation then there will ever be to prove evolution or big bang.
---Jon on 7/13/09


Warwick - *Lee for what purpose did God create light on day 1 if it wasn't to light the earth?

The big ASSUMPTIONS that people make is that this light source from God had the same characteristics and properties of light from the sun. And that all the days had to be of 24 hour duration.

That light source from God could have lasted eons of our own time.

The point here is that the record does indeed allow for the first 3 days of creation to be of undefined duration. And it is that point that you have been totally unable to dispute, either from a scriptural or scientific standpoint.

We need not limit God by our own concept of time.
---Lee1538 on 7/13/09


Lee for what purpose did God create light on day 1 if it wasn't to light the earth?

Why did God say this precipitated evening and morning which He says equals 'one day', if it didn't?

Now we may be nerds, or ignorant, or foolish, or mentally slow, or non scientific as you say, definitely not up to your of your self-appointed exhalted rank. However dim that your opponents are (Ph.D's and all) somehow we can read God's word and we grasp (dimly of course) that He alone knows the truth, and always writes the truth.

We also know everything He does and writes has a purpose. For this alone we know you are wrong.

Your persistent repudiation of God's word condemns you.
---Warwick on 7/12/09


Lee: "the earth could have rotated zillions of times during the 1st 3 periods called 'days'."

Now reeeealy try to focus! If God is the light source for the first 3 days (and we've already agreed that He is), and if the earth rotated zillions of times, then there would have been zillions of evenings and mornings at each point on the globe. That would be in direct contradiction to the scriptural account that said there were only three!

I didn't see a rebuttal to point (2) - day 3-4 angular acceleration. Do you have one?

And you claim to be the scientific one.....
---jerry6593 on 7/13/09




Jerry - *1) The destruction of 3rd day plant life by eons of light or darkness.

(2) The destruction of earth by rapid angular acceleration in the transition to a 24-hour rotation rate.

I really wish you had eyes that could see. Maybe then you would read what I had posted. You ignore my comments because you are too steeped in your ignorance.

Any thinking person could tell you that the light from God may not have had the same properties as sun light. And they could also tell you that the earth could have rotated zillions of times during the 1st 3 periods called 'days'.
---Lee1538 on 7/12/09


Lee again NonScriptural unsupported assumptions!

Genesis I:3-5 reads 'And God said, Let there be light and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. God called the light day and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning- one day.'

You baselessly and faithlessly claim God's light isn't good enough to light the earth.

Genesis 1:3-5 is God's definition of what constitutes a day. He applies this same formula to all following creation days. You render God's words meaningless!

There is no contradictory definition of 24hr day anywhere in Scripture.

Then you call those who disagree with you 'nerds.'
---Warwick on 7/12/09


*How very telling! Finally, you reveal your true motive - belief in evolution.

While some theories of evolution are feasible, others clearly lack any scientific support.

And we can certainly see that from the fossil evidence that certain species have evolved having to adapt to their environment.

Of course, the non-scientific types, the ones who are horrified that science may disprove some of their pet religious beliefs, would certain reject anything that would even hint of evolutionary processes.
---Lee1538 on 7/12/09


Lee: "What is a real chuckle is that the antiscientific types cannot refute the argument that may indeed allow for some evolutionary theories."

How very telling! Finally, you reveal your true motive - belief in evolution.

The real chuckle is that you are yourself an antiscientific type! You think that time is the answer - that given enough time, the impossible will become possible. How childish!

You still have the two great scientific holes in your pathetic theory to address:

(1) The destruction of 3rd day plant life by eons of light or darkness.

(2) The destruction of earth by rapid angular acceleration in the transition to a 24-hour rotation rate.
---jerry6593 on 7/12/09


Lee said: "What is a real chuckle is that the antiscientific types cannot refute the argument that may indeed allow for some evolutionary theories."

So, you want to squeeze your pagan evolutionary theories into Scripture. Well, we're so glad we've got that sorted out.

Question, Lee: From your above statement I can conclude that you believe that if you don't believe in evolution and that Scripture is against it then you can't have earned degrees in science?
---Marc on 7/11/09


Thank you Lee,
I am looking at some commentaries now. Thanks for your dollops of wisdom without the derisive didatic sophistry seen too often on blogs, it has been a big help.
Col.4:6
---larry on 7/11/09


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The alarms goes off and you struggle to get out of bed. You dress for work and head out the door. The sun is coming up. You tell yourself it is morning. Then after sweating it out all day long you drive home, clean up, eat a meal and relax. You look out the window and note the sun is going down. You tell yourself it is evening.

You read the Genesis account and find that there was an evening & morning for the 1st 3 days of creation. But you ask yourself if those evenings & mornings were of the same kind as what you currently witnessed. Since there was no sun you conclude that the terms have come to mean something else.

Some nerd tells you those 1st 3 days were 24 hours but provides no evidence to support that ASSUMPTION.
---Lee1538 on 7/11/09


1/2 The Jews reckoned the day from sunset to sunset #Le 23:32 It was originally divided into three parts #Ps 55:17 "The heat of the day" #1Sa 11:11 Ne 7:3 was at our nine oclock, and "the cool of the day" just before sunset #Ge 3:8 Before the Captivity the Jews divided the night into three watches,
1. from sunset to midnight #La 2:19
2. from midnight till the cock-crowing #Jud 7:19
3. from the cock-crowing till sunrise #Ex 14:24 In the New Testament the division of the Greeks and Romans into four watches was adopted #Mr 13:35 See Easton on WATCHES 3789
---Lee1538 on 7/11/09


Interestingly Lee you previously referred to me as an unscientific type however my many scientist friends and associates would smile at this sillyness! An argument from ignorance.

As usual without any support you claim 'the antiscientific types cannot refute the argument that may indeed allow for some evolutionary theories.'

Please supply the argument that may indeed allow for some evolutionary theories!
---Warwick on 7/11/09


One of the basic rules of Biblical intrepretation is that the Bible interprets itself. First one seeks within the context of the book for an answer and then within the writings of the same author. In this case Moses wrote book Genesis and Exodus. Why would Moses define a day as one thing in Genesis and something else in Exodus? He wouldn't. It is pure speculation to see the "day" in Genesis and Exodus as anything more than a 24 hour day.
---Stan on 7/11/09


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Lee: "*What is the REAL reason behind your desire to insinuate a variable time scale into the weekly cycle?

Simply that the record allows for it."

That is not an answer. No thinking person would knowingly construe Exo 20:11 as allowing for eons of creation week. the question is: What is YOUR reason? Isn't it honestly your hatred for the Sabbath because of a SDA family member and neighbor whom you despise?
---jerry6593 on 7/11/09


1of2 You really need to study this section, maybe even read a few commentaries on it.
---Lee1538 on 7/10/09 --good idea
Thus were created the evening and the morning. Scripture means the space of a day and a night, and afterwards no more says day and night, but calls them both under the name of the more important: a custom which you will find throughout Scripture. Everywhere the measure of time is counted by days, without mention of nights.-Basil
and Thomas Aquinas quoted earlier.
---MIchael on 7/10/09


Michael - *I personally believe God neither lied to Israel nor thought they were too ignorant to understand. His Word is Truth.

Totally agree, however, anyone should be able to see that the Genesis record does indeed allow for an interpretation that the first 3 days of creation were of unknown duration.

What is a real chuckle is that the antiscientific types cannot refute the argument that may indeed allow for some evolutionary theories.


---Lee1538 on 7/10/09


2of2
"The evening and the morning were the first day. The darkness of the evening was before the light of the morning, that it might serve for a foil to it, to set it off, and make it shine the brighter. This was not only the first day of the world, but the first day of the week"--Matthew Henry
"4. 'divided the light from darkness'refers to the alternation or succession of the one to the other, produced by the daily revolution of the earth round its axis. 5. 'first day'a natural day, as the mention of its two parts clearly determines, and Moses reckons, according to Oriental usage, from sunset to sunset, saying not day and night as we do, but evening and morning."-Robert Jamieson, A.R. Fausset, and David Brown
---MIchael on 7/10/09


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Lee again no Scripture to justify your strange views, because your belief isn't Scripture based.

God defines every creation day with evening and morning and 'day' with a number-'one day, a second day..., the sixth day. That is 6 evening and morning days. However you, without any support for this nonsense, either from Scripture, grammar, or logic, would have us believe some of these days were of a very different length. Irrational!

If you understood Hebrew, (the vav consecutive) you would understand there is no gap in Genesis one for your imagined eons. A little study Lee!

To cap it off in Exodus 20:8-11 God says He created everything in 6 days (day with a number) so His followers would work 6 of these same days.
---Warwick on 7/10/09


In fact, it was in that light God created on the 1st day that may have lasted eons before He got around to creating the sun.---Lee1538 on 7/9/09
Your funny Lee.. Where do you get this stuff?..Scripture?..Man?..Secular theories?..
What is your true belief Lee?
Why are you so against people who believe in 6 days?..
I personally believe God neither lied to Israel nor thought they were too ignorant to understand. His Word is Truth.
It's awesome how you used the words 'fact' and 'may have' in the same sentence. (chuckle)
---MIchael on 7/10/09


Genesis is Biblical truth - try that.
---Betty on 7/10/09


*God created light on day 1 then said there was evening (the dark part of a day)and there was morning (the light part of day).

Gen. 1:5 And God said, Let there be light, and there was light. ...And God separated the light from the darkness.God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the 1st day.

God said let there be light but how long did the light exist before the darkness? We are not told.

Notice that God called the light 'DAY' with the separaton of the light from the darkness depicted by the phrase 'evening & morning', NOTHING about the duration of the light.

You really need to study this section, maybe even read a few commentaries on it.
---Lee1538 on 7/10/09


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Dan, Did you mean Matt.16 5-12? Jesus spoke figuratively. However He did not leave them 'in the dark.'

Genesis creation is not figurative, poetry, or similar but straight-forward Hebrew prose-bones of the details of creation. Nothing there even hints the days are anything but ordinary earth-rotation days. What sort of a Christian denies that God can create a day without the sun!

In Scripture those who refer to Genesis do so always as sober historical truth, therefore it is.

Those who insist otherwise do not do so for Biblical reasons. This is shown by their complete lack of Scriptural support, in fact shown by their rejection of Scripture!
---Warwick on 7/10/09


To assist you Lee I will explain in a different,simpler way.

God created light on day 1 then said there was evening (the dark part of a day)and there was morning (the light part of day). He said this equals 'one day' didn't He?.

Now Lee this proves the light God created was shining upon the earth doesn't it? Otherwise no evening & morning!

We know from photos from space the lit earth is always part dark, part light. And we also know, don't we, that if the earth is turning the evening (dark time) and the morning (light time) is one 24hr day-the evening & morning cycle, Just as God says in Genesis 1:3-5

So what is a day? It is the dark/light cycle, which God says began on day 1, and continues today.
---Warwick on 7/9/09


1stCliff as explained the livestock, birds, and beasts of the field (Gen. 1:20)are a vertebrate subset of all the creatures made by God.

Adam didn't need to name invertebrates, and they make up 98% of all creatures. Nor did he name sea creatures!

You confuse the Biblical 'kinds', with species.

God created dog, cat, cattle, reptile, horse and bird kinds etc. Therefore regarding the dog kind, for example, Adam only needed to give the dog kind a name. He didn't need to name Poodles, Pommeranians, nor Pekinese, did he?

You say 'I am able to remember everything I have ever read!', and I am impressed. I would be more impressed if you gave evidence you also understood it!
---Warwick on 7/9/09


Warwick - *You are saying God did not create light on day 1. Therefore He lied when He said there was evening (night) and morning (day)= 'one day.'

And you are saying that the light from God became darkness, that the light from God was like the sun that went down after the 4th day? You are really starting to get a bad case of the sillies!

In fact, it was in that light God created on the 1st day that may have lasted eons before He got around to creating the sun.

Sorry but the record does not support your ASSUMPTION that the first 3 days had to be of 24 hour duration.
---Lee1538 on 7/9/09


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Warwick, You still have a problem with "perception"
Gen.2.19 Now the Lord God formed.."ALL" the beasts of the field, and "ALL" the birds of the air" (what sub set???) Whatever the man called EACH creature, that was it's name"
What part of "all" don't you understand?
I got the figure 3 million from a Christian website that was rebuking the doubters of how many animals Noah took in the ark!
Scripture abuse?? I am able to remember everything I have ever read!
---1st_cliff on 7/9/09


Lee still no Scripture to support your erroneous view!

You willingly ignore God's word rather than reject man-made ideas.

You are saying God did not create light on day 1. Therefore He lied when He said there was evening (night) and morning (day)= 'one day.'

You are saying He cannot light earth without the sun.

He describes the days 'And there was evening and there was morning-'one day, a second day, a fifth day.' But somehow, irrationally, His days, though defined as being the same length, aren't!

Then amazingly you agree that somehow today they have become the same length as the first 6 days! Bizarre!

You ably demonstrate how destructive to faith and clear thinking compromise with the world is.
---Warwick on 7/9/09


In reality Larry peace would erupt on these pages if Christians would submit themselves to the straight-forward meaning of God's word. But many prefer man-made theories which contradict God's word and you think it doesn't matter!

Truth is more important than peace. There will be many peaceful people in hell.

But as for you, as you think it doesn't matter, then forget about it.
---Warwick on 7/9/09


Warwick seems to think we are abusing scripture when we say the record does not necessarily support a 24 hour day for the first 3 days of creation.

While true, that a day during our time can be viewed by evening & morning - the rising and going down of the sun, one cannot say that of the 1st 3 days as the sun was not created until the 4th 'day'.

The term evening & morning was simply a delineation of a period of time of unknown duration during the 1st 3 days of creation. There is really no evidence, scripturally or scientific to the contrary.

Of course, Warwick apparently is of the same mind as the anti-scientific types who insisted that scripture supported their view that the sun was NOT the center of our universe.
---Lee1538 on 7/9/09


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Dan - *On the 6 days ... can we know ? Is it important for us to know ?

No we can never really know, but we can see that the record does not support a 24 hour 'day for the 1st 3 days of creation. Those that attempt to force our concept of time on God simply cannot comprehend a God who is timeless or eternal.

Is it really important for us to know? Not in the least since no known doctrine of the Christian faith is involved in the least.

However there are those that fear the big boogieman of the evolutionists, that somehow science may disprove some of their unfounded religious concepts.





---Lee1538 on 7/9/09


Thank you Dan.

Okay, Warwick, okay you can have the last word. Anything that makes for peace.
---larry on 7/9/09


Right you are Larry.

Read Matt 5:6-7. Jesus says to his disciples "Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees." They took him literally and thought He was talking about bread. He had to explain to them later, He was not talking about bread. On the 6 days ... can we know ? It it important for us to know ?
---Dan1724 on 7/9/09


Lee you constantly, conveniently ignore that God is outside time but we aren't.

Time was created for us, on day one, first defined for us, in Genesis 1:3-5. Scripture also was written for us, by God but from a human perspective, the way we see things i.e. we see, and say 'sunrise' when it doesn't rise at all.

God says evening (night) and morning (day) equals 1 day. This is defined for us on the first day-'one day', then repeated for the next 5 creation days.

Any two days are equal in length to any other two days.
Six days ditto.
One year is always one year.
And so on.

However because of your preference for man's long-ages ideas you would have us believe otherwise.
---Warwick on 7/8/09


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1sttCliff, you abuse Scripture. You wrote 'God brought "ALL' the creatures for Adam to name!'

Genesis 2:19 actually says 'Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and the birds of the air.' Actually a small subset of all created animals.

As to the number of 'kinds' you write 'best estimate is 3 million "kinds." Are you saying there are 3 million kinds (not species) of beasts of the field, livestock, and birds, as per vs 20? Surely not!

As to species, or as you say 'kinds', 98% are invertebrates, therefore not included. When you also remove all sea creatures this leaves you with a relatively small number.

Read Creation Magazine 2005. vol.27 no.3 p.27.
---Warwick on 7/8/09


Warwick, I have just called "check-mate" ,you have no room to maneuver so just admit your error and learn from it!
The kicker=
How long does it take for a man (not God) to name 3 million animal kinds ?(not species)
"and the evening and the morning was the 6th day"!
---1st_cliff on 7/8/09


Larry you say creation day-length does not matter. I disagree strongly for a number of reasons e.g. as 24hr length is essential for one of the commandments to be understandable.

If you truly think it doesn't matter then just accept the plain 6-day reading of Scripture and move on. But you won't will you Larry as 6-earth-rotation-day creation undermines your worldly view of our origins, doesn't it?

Larry as has been explained many times, and accepted, 'one day' (Gen. 1:3-5) is one earth-rotation in relation to a fixed light source. The sun is not necessary as God has said! I praise Him continually especially here where I can serve Him by contradicting atheists, heretics, compromisers and liberals.
---Warwick on 7/8/09


Warwick, A word of encouragement.
You have larry telling only you that is does not matter.
You have cliff going on about day 6 not being a day.
You have lee saying day 6 is a day but not 1-3.
Three views from different angles all directed at you. God must think you have alot of faith to let you go through all that.
1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able, but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].
patience, forbearance, diligence, Praise The Lord.
---MIchael on 7/8/09


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Warwick - huh? Read it again re: length of days prior to the existence of the sun star.

1. We don't know.
2. We can't prove.
3. It doesn't matter

Not quite sure why you are so combative. These are not issues for which we can hold each other accountable. Save your energy for the praise of his holy name and his creation.
---larry on 7/8/09


Thomas Aquinos.. some good reading.. Here is what he says about day one.. or one day rather:
'The words "one day" are used when day is first instituted, to denote that one day is made up of twenty-four hours. Hence, by mentioning "one," the measure of a natural day is fixed'---Summa Theologica, Qu 74 Art 3

Thank you for that reference Lee1538. That whole section on creation was amazing..
---MIchael on 7/8/09


Warwick, Reading without seeing seems to be your pattern IE
Gen 2.19- After creating all the animals and birds on day 6 and before the day is over it says God brought "ALL' the creatures for Adam to name!
So if Adam looked over "each" one and came up with a name,say taking one minute for each one (best estimate is 3 million "kinds")
working 12hrs a day takes about 11 years!
Why 12 hrs? God had to create them also create Eve all in 24hrs???Hello!
Simple thing like naming the creatures blows your argument out of the water!
---1st_cliff on 7/8/09


Samuel - *They (the evolutionists) reject intelligent Design which is a comprimise of the Bible and evolution. So what if they reject the six day creation?

While very true, you cannot use the Genesis account to prove that the first 3 days were of 24 hour duration.

Theologians thruout the centuries have concluded that God is outside of time, or simply timeless in nature. Thomas Aquinas was one of the main expositors on this subject (and there are others). (See the History of Christian Thought, p. 158)
---Lee1538 on 7/7/09


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Warwick - *Again you ignore Scriptural evidence, preferring empty reasoning, believing God cannot light the world without the sun.

I have many times stated the light source on the first 3 days was not the Sun (Gen. 1:3)

*Remember day length is defined in Genesis 1:3-5, before He created the sun!

And the 'days' are delineated by the phrase 'evening & morning', the record DOES NOT state anything about the duration of those first 3 days.

The first 3 days with the light from God could have included zillions of earth rotations.

You fail to understand that God is timeless and does not have to operate according to our concept of time.

Suggest you study this from the works of various theologians.
---Lee1538 on 7/7/09


Lee you are a laugh.

Exodus 20:8-11 God writes 'six days you shall labour and do all your work But the seventh day day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall do no work...... For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day.

You amusingly write 'There is virtually NOTHING about the duration of the days, particularly the duration of the first 3 days. Nor is there any requirement that the days had to be of equal duration.' Fantasy, pure irrational, unBiblical fantasy. Cont.
---Warwick on 7/7/09


Cont. So Lee God the creator of language, who makes no mistakes, and cannot lie defined 'one day', in Genesis 1:3-5 then used the same formula for the following 5 days but they are not of equal length?

Get real Lee.

Then in Exodus 20 He says He created in 6 days with no hint they are not the same days as the seven of our week, and every proof they are, but you say we can't know their length?

By extension the Israelites could not have known what day Sabbath was and been executed for working on it-Exodus 31:14-17.

What a confusing, incompetent, deceitful, vengeful God you serve!

BTW Exodus isn't about creation Lee, you didn't even read it! Not surprizing!
---Warwick on 7/7/09


Larry what Scripture can you supply to back up your claim that we cannot know what length the first 3 days were? No answer means no answer!

BTW of course God is outside of time. However Scripture was given by God for us. As proved by Exodus 20:8-11 He created in six earth-rortion days to set the living week for people. We are not outside of time, God created time for us to live within.
---Warwick on 7/7/09


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Lee you say the light of all the creation 'days' was delineated by 'evening & morning', but the main light source became the sun after the 3rd day.'

Again you ignore Scriptural evidence, preferring empty reasoning, believing God cannot light the world without the sun. And this in opposition to the fact He says He did.

Remember day length is defined in Genesis 1:3-5, before He created the sun!

You are saying that 'evening and morning', regarding day 5, for example, 'deliniates' an ordinary day but that it doesn't in Genesis 1:3-5 where 'evening and morning' is used for the first time! So the defining use is wrong? How can you therefore say it is correct in regards to day 5? You can't.

Lee this is nonsense!
---Warwick on 7/7/09


Lee says -
While the Bible uses the term 'days' there is simply no way we can determine the duration of the first 3 days prior to the creation of the sun.

He is correct that prior to the sun or the world without form we can't be sure on the length of a "day" and its not important. God would not withold anything that was truly important.

Michael's reminder that God does not operate within our understanding of time is also appropriate.

I would like to hear from all my brothers on this blog about their theorys on where dinosaurs fit in. I've been trying to get clues on that part of God's creation and meaning for years.
---larry on 7/7/09


If you get in an argument with an evolutionist. You will be faced with a person that rejects the Bible as being true and in general does not believe that GOD created the universe or mankind.

They do not quible about how long the days of creation were since they do not believe they happened.

I had to study evolution to get my degree and have continued to study it. Evolution is based on chance events resulting in life and this whole world. Earth is 4.7 billion years old by their understanding.

They reject intelligent Design which is a comprimise of the Bible and evolution. So what if they reject the six day creation?
---Samuel on 7/7/09


Warwick - *Lee for further proof see Exodus 19:10-16....

All that Exodus refers to is that God created the world in 6 days and rested the 7th day. There is virtually NOTHING about the duration of the days, particularly the duration of the first 3 days. Nor is there any requirement that the days had to be of equal duration.

If you truly would think about it, there is no 'evening & morning' for the 7th day, so is God still resting? Or was the 7th day, also one of 24 hour duration?

If you were to study the writings of the saints, you would find that many of them believed God is and was not bounded by our concept of time. He is a timeless being. (read 'the History of Christian Thought' by Jonathan Hill)
---Lee1538 on 7/7/09


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*What is the REAL reason behind your desire to insinuate a variable time scale into the weekly cycle?

Simply that the record allows for it.

If you ever got into a debate with evolutionists, you would lose the argument that the first 3 days were of 24 hour duration. All you have is ASSUMPTIONS.

The light of all the creation 'days' was delineated by the term 'evening & morning', but the main light source became the sun after the 3rd day.

It is impossible to determine how long the light source which was from God lasted during the first 3 'days' or that there were zillions of earth's rotations.
---Lee1538 on 7/7/09


Lee: What is the REAL reason behind your desire to insinuate a variable time scale into the weekly cycle?
---jerry6593 on 7/6/09


Lee for further proof see Exodus 19:10-16 which demonstrates beyond doubt the length of 'one day' and shows the Israelites already knew how long 'one day' was. God said to prepare themselves to 'meet' Him on the 3rd day, have a scrub up, and abstain from sexual relations.- vs 16 'On the morning of the third day'...they were there . Was God confused as to when the 3rd day was, were the Israelites? Obviously not!

BTW if the creation days were not 24hr days but a thousand years each, or more as some claim, the Israelites would have been well extinct by 'the 3rd' day, having abstained from sexual relations!

Right Lee?
---Warwick on 7/6/09


Consider : In my fathers day, by driving all day, he drove across Australia in 6 days.

In my fathers day: In this instance 'day' means time or when, i.e. when my father was alive.

Driving all day-Day here means daylight hours.

In 6-days-We know this means 6 24hr days, because of the coupling with a numeral. We know this because God defined these meanings in Genesis 1 & 2.

Those who reject these meanings defy Scripture, grammar, and logic because they have accepted falible sinful man's long-ages beliefs, so are forced to reinterpret Scripture though these 'glasses.'

Not a position of faith! That which is not of faith is sin. Without faith it is impossible to please God.
---Warwick on 7/6/09


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Lee what is this fixation with the sun? Where do you get the idea God did not light the earth with the light He created on day one? He says He did! Further He says that the evening & morning cycle began then, that very same evening & morning cycle He applied to the following 5 days!

By the way evening & morning, though connected to 'the setting and rising of the sun' actually means night (darkness) and day (light) one evening & morning cycle, '1 day.'

I am sure if you had even a scrap of Scriptural support for your beliefs you would have given it. As you haven't I understand you force this unnatural meaning in the vain attempt to stretch Biblical time to fit in with your man-centred long-ages views.
---Warwick on 7/6/09


What really happened was that God created light and after several zillions of rotations of the earth there was darkness and the end of the first day.---Lee1538 on 7/5/09
You make me laugh Lee..))
So It's not a hundred or even a million, It's zillions. I must have missed that one in my Bible. What chapter and verse was that again?.. Didn't you say "there really is no way we can determine the time period or the number of earth rotations"? What about "fear that science may disprove one of their pet religious beliefs."? Is that not your belief on the days? Why should I not belief the 6 days were equal lengths?
---MIchael on 7/5/09


This whole 24hr creative day argument is bizzare.
The earth sits on a 23 1/2 degree angle to the sun.
Right now there's 24 hrs. of daylight in the Arctic,24hrs of darkness in the Antarctic.(without a clock could you tell how many hrs went by?)
It's always daylight on 1/2 the earth's surface.
In order to substantiate your argument God would have to be positioned at a fixed location on the equator and rotate with the earth!
Or with a giant crayon mark the globe and count the rotations!
---1st_cliff on 7/5/09


Lee you say from the beginning to the end of day 1 the earth rotated zillions of times. Bizarre! Scriptural support? I'd like to see that!

Jesus the Creator said man was made at the beginning of creation, that in which we live. But you have man appearing after zillions of rotations from the beginning. Jesus says you are wrong, however I am sure you will ignore Him, as he contradicts your man-centered beliefs.

As a child can see, God uses the language of Genesis 1 to describe His 6 creation days, and the same language in describing His followers 6-day working week.

What 'altering' have I done?

Conversely it is your faith which is weak as you cannot accept what Scripture says.
---Warwick on 7/5/09


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Warwick*In Genesis 1:3-5 God created light then immediately there is darkness and light, night and day.

Not a single one of my Bible translations has the word 'immediately' in those verses.

What really happened was that God created light and after several zillions of rotations of the earth there was darkness and the end of the first day.

Exodus 20:8-11 is not based upon your ASSUMPTION that the days of the Genesis creation were 24 hours in duration.
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Again you are forcing an interpretation by altering the wording of those verses.

Your faith and belief system must be extremely weak if you cannot admit the possibility of the first 3 days being of unknown duration.
---Lee1538 on 7/5/09


In Genesis 1:3-5 God created light then immediately there is darkness and light, night and day. God says the evening 'night' and the morning 'day' were 'one day.' He then uses this exact formula to describe the following 5 days. How can they be of different length?

In Exodus 20:8-11 God says He created in 6 days, having already defined 'one day' as the evening / morning cycle in Genesis 1:3-5. God then instructs His followers to work six of these days and rest the 7th day.
Lee et al insist we cannot know the length of 'one day' or '6 days' but as Michael said were the Jews confused? Not at all. Cont.
---Warwick on 7/5/09


Michael -*But Lee, it has already been determined that the Sun has nothing to do with the day being 24 hours.

And since there was NO SUN during the first 3 days of the Genesis account of creation, there really is no way we can determine the time period or the number of earth rotations that may have occured during the first 3 'days' delineated by the term 'evening & morning'.

In our modern sense of the phrase 'evening & morning' denotes the setting and rising of the sun but certainly not true of the first 3 days.

Those that want to make all the days of creation a 24 hour period, do so with the morbid fear that science may disprove one of their pet religious beliefs.
---Lee1538 on 7/5/09


Michael - *Is God not powerful enough to create all in 6 days?

Totally agree with you that He could have done the entire creation in 4.5 days or less or maybe eons of time as we measure time, as God is not restricted by our measurement of time.

However, what does the record truly state?

It clearly does NOT state anything about any 24 hour days. It is only an ASSUMPTION on our part believing that the first 3 days were of 24 hour duration.

All we have is the delineation of 'evenings & mornings' but there could have an untold number of rotations of the earth between the first 3 sets of 'evenings & mornings'.


Again, there is that fear that science may disprove someone cherished religious beliefs.
---Lee1538 on 7/4/09


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I am amazed when people quote 2Pe 3:8 to defend long-ages views.

They ignore:

This verse is not about creation but concerns those impatient about Jesus' failure to return.

Secondly Peter can only contrast 'day' and 'thousand years' because his readers already knew what these words mean!

Thirdly the verse does not say God's day is of any length, as He is outside of time.

Fourthly it refers to a global-flood which 'deluged and destroyed' the world. Long-agers believe the fossil record, records billions of years of death and struggle while Scripture says these sedimentary layers contain the remains of creaures which perished in Noah's flood!

BTW God's word calls those who doubt these realities 'scoffers.'
---Warwick on 7/5/09


Lee the problems of the RC church occurred because they had accepted the incorrect Aristotelian 'scientific' view of the universe. A real problem when Galileo showed it was wrong.

Today many Christians have accepted the socalled scientific view of the universe, and its origins, and batter Genesis out of recognition, so as to make it fit with current opinion. These human views of the past and the universe are not scientifically testable and constantly change, as new evidence contradicts old.

Where will that leave compromisers when scientists totally change their beliefs?

True science, the scientific method, as opposed to speculations, was developed by Bible believing Christians and hold no fear for Christians.
---Warwick on 7/5/09


2Pet 2:3 states that there is no difference between a day and 1000 years to God, being outside the boundaries of time. Yet people use this verse to somehow show an equation from our time to God's time, which he has none, being eternal. God's timing is different. God uses time to our benefit for His glory. God created time and the resources for man to be able to measure it. He told us how to measure it, evening and morning according to a light source, from day 4 it was the Sun. Did Moses and Israel know what a day consisted of when God gave them the 10 commandments?.. When God said 6 days did he mean it? There's no constraint here since God chose to work in a time frame for Israel's benefit. Is God not powerful enough to create all in 6 days?
---MIchael on 7/4/09


Bible -

2Pe 3:8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Those that restrict God's creation days to a mere 24 hours really that is bound by our creation of human time.

They fear that science will disprove their pet religious beliefs.
---Lee1538 on 7/4/09


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Bible:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth

Science:

Polonium haloes in granite have 3 minute half-life.
---jerry6593 on 7/4/09


While the Bible uses the term 'days' there is simply no way we can determine the duration of the first 3 days prior to the creation of the sun.

The phrase 'evening & morning' is used to separate the 'days', however, the first 3 days could have been of very long duration with the light from God existing for very long duration and with many earth rotations.

Usually those that insist on a 24 hour duration are those that have an abnormal fear that science may disprove what they beleive to be Biblical truths, much the same as the ancient Roman Church feared the theories developed by Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo & others that the sun was the center of our universe.
---Lee1538 on 7/3/09


How about a witness?
Numbers 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Also see Titus 1:2, Heb 6:18
Exodus 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying, 11a For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them
Exodus 31:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 17 It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
---MIchael on 7/3/09


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