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With different interpretations of Scriptures, how do you avoid false teachings?

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If God has changed his diet laws this is what it would say

1: Eat only vegitables and do not eat flesh
2: Do not vegitables anymore but now eat all types of flesh
3: eat only clean flesh and eat vegitables
4: Eat what you please

But God does not change so his diet messages
SO this is what God,s diet plan is:
Eat veghitables and fruit-> now add CLEAN meat to your diet

and that has never changed.
So sny doctrine that shows god changing his diet laws, is false.
---francis on 10/11/10


Genesis 1:29 I have given you every herb bearing seed, and every.. fruit of a tree yielding seed, to you it shall be for meat.

HAS GOD EVER CHANGED THAT?

Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

Leviticus 11:46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:
Leviticus 11:47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

HAS GOD EVER CHANGED HIS LAWS ABOUT CLEAN AND UNCLEAN ANIMALS?
SHOW THE TEXT.
---FRANCIS on 10/11/10


//Avoid false teaching by rejecting any teaching that starts with philosophy, like T.U.L.I.P. begins with the notion that if anything happens that God doesn't like, then God must be a failure. So they built their entire stucture from that philosophical base instead of Scripture//

That is EXACTLY what they do! Amen
---JackB on 10/11/10


JOHN 10,26 But ye believe not, because ye are not my sheep, as i said unto you.
10:27 My sheep hear my voice,and I know them , and they followe me

(The thing is God gives a person ears to hear and eyes to see, So if a person is in a false gospel there never going to know it.And you can talk to your blue in the face,and they will not get it. unless God opens their spiritual ears.All I can say is read the Bible carefully, ask God for forgiveness and wisdom.)
---RICHARD on 10/11/10


Malachi 3:6 For I [am] the LORD, I change not, therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
But God could not have changed our diet, because God does not change.
Is that what you keep telling us francis?
Why go back on your word now?
If He can make new covenants that are different from each other, would that not make it true for the Sinai covenant and the covenant of Christ as well?
Hebrews 8:7 For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:9a Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt...
---micha9344 on 10/11/10




Have you ever heard a doctrine that didn't seem right?
This is what is principally wrong with the word of faith people. I have seen some amazing things, incredible results, still I know in my heart that the word of faith people are wrong overall.
---mima on 10/11/10


The idea that doctrines equal covenants and therefore different covenants equate to God being double-minded is a totally unfounded -micha9344 on 10/8/10\
Genesis 1:29 no meat
Genesis 9:3 all meat
Leviticus 11 certain meat (clean)
Acts 15:20, 24, 29, 21:25 certain meats (all but strangled, or offered to idols)
micha9344 on 10/7/10

YOU ARE WRONG IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING
Never does God go back on his word, so it is never: no meat -> all meat-> clean meat-> all meat.
It is herbs and fruits -> clean meats only.

Because God is not double minded.
He added clean meats, he did not add all meats than say some meats
---francis on 10/10/10


And after we determine a false teaching, which is how I read the post:
Proverbs 4:14-15 Enter not into the path of the wicked, and go not in the way of evil [men]. Avoid it, pass not by it, turn from it, and pass away.
Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned, and avoid them.
1Tim 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
2 Timothy 3:1-17 ...5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away...
Rev 22:11
---micha9344 on 10/10/10


The church as a collective body determines what constitutes false teachings.

It was the church at Jerusalem that was convened to determine what teachings Gentile converts had to subscribe to. Acts 15

And as to individuals, again it is the responsibility of the church to be the judge.

1Co 5:12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?

For the individual that guiding light should be his or her own denomination in spite of the fact that their denomination may not have discernment.
---leej on 10/10/10


This view to "avoid" false teachings is an unscriptural one. Who determines what is a false teaching? Some established religious organization who speaks as an authority for everyone else?

The Scriptural view is found at 1 John 4:1. It is an "individual" responsibility to put to test all that any human or human agency puts before us "as if" it is from Scripture.

As individuals, we are to put to the test all that is written or spoken to see if it is from God.

That means listening to a teaching presumed to be false and "then" see if it measures up with is written in Scripture. We should not blindly dismiss a teaching as false because someone else has made that determination for us.
---R._Jerome_Harris on 10/10/10




Mike - what has $$$$$$$ to do with what I have said in my previous post? Quoting verses from the Holy Bible DOES NOT make one holy. A Christian is Holy only in Jesus Christ through the justification of faith - and not by quoting the verses of the Holy Bible.

A person can quote Genesis to Revelation and still not belief that it is from God - and you see and hear this everyday. Similar to a comment made by you when you said, "the problem with the bible is it's too vague & ambiguous."

"For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." (Matthew 12:34)
---christan on 10/10/10


The Greek prefix "anti" means "substitute", not opposite.
---Cluny on 10/9/10

Cluny
Excellent point, but.... what I said was not wrong.
People can look it up for themselves and see that what I said was correct.
They may want to Google it, or look it up in a Greek dictionary, as I did.

The prefix, Anti, can mean counter, opposing, instead of, opposite, against or lots of other things, just as our word Cool has many different meanings.

The reason that I said you make an excellent point is because some believe, as do I, that "Anti" has a dual meaning.
We all know that the Anti-Christ is opposed to Christ and someday, will become a substitute Christ for many.
---David on 10/10/10


2 Tim 2:15 tells us to rightly divide the word of truth. If you divide it wrongly it can be falsely taught. Paul is our pattern 1Tim 1:16. 1Cor. 4:16 1 Cor11:1
---michael_e on 10/9/10


mike -//i have seen & met plenty of christians who tries to show they are holy but they are the same as the unsaved.

And who among us has eyes that can see into someone's life to determine whether or not a person is a genuine christian?

Christians come in all stages of spiritual maturity. Those recently born of His Spirit will not be instantly perfect in all areas of their lives.

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another mans servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

One mistake people often make is they strive to be like other people and compare themseleves with others instead of trying to attain to God's standard and calling.

.
---leej on 10/9/10


\\Avoid false teaching by rejecting any teaching that starts with philosophy, like T.U.L.I.P. begins with the notion that if anything happens that God doesn't like, then God must be a failure.\\

Actually, this is NOT what Calvinism (TULIP) theology teaches.

Rather, it's the opposite: that NOTHING happens that is not in God's foreknowledge and predestination, including our sins.

**Anti- means to be opposed to.**

This is also wrong. The Greek prefix "anti" means "substitute", not opposite.

A viceroy is "antibasilevs" in Greek. Vice-president is "antiproedros".

This gives a more startling meaning to "antichristos," doesn't it?
---Cluny on 10/9/10


Avoid false teaching by rejecting any teaching that starts with philosophy, like T.U.L.I.P. begins with the notion that if anything happens that God doesn't like, then God must be a failure. So they built their entire stucture from that philosophical base instead of Scripture.

Reject any teaching that hangs everything on ambiguous wording, like "saved" or "forgiven" passages. There are so many verses that show different requirements to be "saved" or "forgiven" that it is superficial to think we have an accurate doctrine based only on those verses, like Lawrence attempts.
---James_L on 10/9/10


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Kerry
A Key to unlock this mystery is in the meaning of the prefix Anti-, as in the word, Anti-Christ.
Anti- means to be opposed to.

(Matthew 13:24-30)
Teachings in a Church are much like seed in a field.
Plant the right Seed in the Church, and the harvest will be Wheat.
Plant the wrong Seed, and the harvest will be Weeds.

Those Seeds that produce Weeds(False teachings), are from the Anti-Christ.
Those Seeds that produce Wheat(The Truth), are from the teachings of Jesus Christ.

If a teaching opposes what Jesus Christ taught, it is from the Anti-Christ.
To find a Lie, one must first know the Truth and That Truth can be found in the Gospels of Jesus Christ.
---David on 10/9/10


God provide us totaly.. he promises that never we going to be alone!!!and he knows our hearts and desires about his word, he will lead us to the truth with his holy spirit our helper...
---yolanda on 10/9/10


christan

do you deny yourself? how do you deny yourself?

what about the favorite verse of pastors malachi 3:10? what blessings will you receive? more money? if you give $50 you will receive $500? it did not say what kind of blessings.
what about the book of genesis? 1st man & woman lived for 800 years. what did they do? it did not say.
you are just an expert in quoting the bible but applying it, you don't know how.
i have seen & met plenty of christians who tries to show they are holy but they are the same as the unsaved.
---mike on 10/8/10


Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and JUDGMENT (CONDEMNATION) was given TO the saints of the most High, and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Whereas the Greek word can be translated either way, translators have chosen to translate as 'judgment' as being more doctrinally correct. Those in Christ are not under condemnation (Romans 8:1).

In either case, it is 'the saints that possessed the kingdom'.

A more literal translation is -

As I watched , this horn was waging war with the holy people & was defeating them, until the Ancient One came & judged in favor of the holy people of the Most High. Then the time arrived for the holy people to take over the kingdom.
---leej on 10/8/10


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francis,
God, of course, is not double-minded and I don't believe to be in error in my understanding as others on this site may confirm.
The idea that doctrines equal covenants and therefore different covenants equate to God being double-minded is a totally unfounded conclusion based on false premises.
Your bifurcation therefore is false, stating that either this is false or that, when in fact both can be false for the same reason, you have false premises.
Did Adam received the promise of never flooding the Earth with water again?
Apparently God can deal with His creation in His own time and in His own way.
This does not equate to God changing His character.
---micha9344 on 10/8/10


\\Why would God bother to give each believer the Holy Spirit to guide us in all truth if we could just trust the opinions of other holy men?

Even if the Holy Spirit indwells the believer, all too often the believer is dominated too much by the flesh to listen to what the Holy Spirit is saying to them.

Scripture tells us that even Christians may grieve or quench the Spirit and some in chosing to follow their pastors teachings do just that.

And then there is the discipline we receive from the Lord if we get too far out of line.

Heb 12:6 For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.
---leej on 10/8/10


Pray and ask God for wisdom, knowledge and understanding. He will direct your path as to what is false. God will also present things to us, like: sermons, magazines, books, etc, then you read and study God's word for yourself. Things will become clear according to the Bible.
---Lady_V on 10/8/10


\\Why would God bother to give each believer the Holy Spirit to guide us in all truth if we could just trust the opinions of other holy men? These arent the days of the laws and prophets. His Spirit is poured out upon all men.\\

St. Paul wrote in the first century: "Is is just to YOU that the word of God has come?"

What you are doing here is encouraging one part of the body to say to the other, "I have no need of thee, since God speaks to me directly."

St. Paul also said, "Now we know IN PART." (Do you think things have changed that much?) This includes you, too, JackB.
---Cluny on 10/8/10


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Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into JUDGMENT, but has passed from death to life.
--leej

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into CONDENMATION but is passed from death unto life.

Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and JUDGMENT was given to the saints of the most High, and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
EXCHANGE:
Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and CONDENMATION was given to the saints of the most High, and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

CONDEMNATION = JUDGMENT?
---francis on 10/8/10


// Pastors do have extra training in these things, as do the people who write the footnotes. //

Yes sir they are. Its called indoctrination and its wrong.

Why would God bother to give each believer the Holy Spirit to guide us in all truth if we could just trust the opinions of other holy men? These arent the days of the laws and prophets. His Spirit is poured out upon all men.

If the people from cults werent afraid to question their Pastor, then some of them wouldnt have been led so far into deception that they took their own lives.

Questioning the Pastors teachings is NOT questioning God. I dont care about the pastors title or rank in the church. They are all still in the flesh and no man is without sin.
---JackB on 10/8/10


Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High, and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

other versions:
New American Standard Bible (1995)
until the Ancient of Days came and JUDGMENT was passed IN FAVOUR of the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom.

Bible in Basic English
Till he came, who was very old, and the DECISION was made and the authority was given to the saints of the Most High, and the time came when the saints took the kingdom.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Till the Ancient of days came and gave judgment to the saints of the most High, and the time came, and the saints obtained the kingdom
---francis on 10/8/10


A blood covenant is basically a covenant whose terms are sealed by blood.

In the case of the Old Covenant, all the sacrifices made by the sprinkling of blood symbolized the blood sacrifice of Christ on the Cross.

Hebr. 9:22. And He also tells us that He is the mediator of a New Covenant sealed by His blood.

The blood that He shed on the Cross was ONCE and for all time -

9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in ONCE into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

The scripture really blows to pieces the convoluted theory developed by
Adventists that Jesus entered a 2sd time into the sanctuary to judge which Christians merited eternal life.
---leej on 10/8/10


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Like many other things, the Bible is a book that one must study for years to really gain an indepth understanding.

In the hands of the novice, it can say just about anything one wants it to say.

If you have problems find a good mentor or read the commentaries written by those who have studied the Bible for years and have proper credentials.
---leej on 10/8/10


Mike, how dare you even say "the problem with the bible is it's too vague & ambiguous," and call yourself a Christian? So who or what is guiding you outside of the Word of God?

Truth of God is absolute as written in the Scripture, regardless of it's many versions. God's Truth is Light and when His Light shines, darkness will cease to exist. Unless God shines His light in your heart, it will always be in darkness.

Jesus beautifully says in John 6:63, "It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3)
---christan on 10/8/10


the problem with the bible is it's too vague & ambiguous. many use it to exploit it saying 'are you calling god a liar?' so, many will fall into false teachings.
ex people say that malachi will make you rich & successful, those who exploit it will say 'are you calling god a liar?'. give your 10% & you will be blessed. what kind of blessings? money? success? so many are tricked into 'trusting & obeying'. the receiver of tithe are the ones who get rich.
there are other TRUTHS that point to success other than malachi like proverbs & eccl.
---mike on 10/8/10


A blood covenant, like circumcision or sacrifice, is a covenant of promise. It promises that some day this covenant will be fulfiled for us by the blood of the messiah.

Circumcision is a covenant which says that we remove the forskin of our hearts.

Genesis 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

Deuteronomy 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

Jeremiah 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart,

Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
---francis on 10/8/10


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Was God double-minded when He commanded physical circumcision of the Hebrew people and THEN did not demand it of those who would come to believe in Jesus?
---leej on 10/8/10

do you even understand what a blood covenant is?
---FRANCIS on 10/8/10


Was God double-minded when He commanded physical circumcision of the Hebrew people and THEN did not demand it of those who would come to believe in Jesus?

Obviously francis has a real problem in not differentiating between the New and Old Covenant.

He seems to think we need to be converts to Judaism to be genuine Christians - an issue that was settled at the Jerusalem council Acts 15.

It is really a matter of "rightly handling the word of truth". 2 Tim. 2:15

Francis clearly needs to join a church that preaches the gospel.
---leej on 10/8/10


Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High, and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Hey Lee have you ever considered that in the judgment the saints will be declared righteous?

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must ALL appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body, according to that he hath done, whether [it be] GOOD or bad.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
---francis on 10/8/10


Genesis 1:29 no meat
Genesis 9:3 all meat
Leviticus 11 certain meat (clean)
Acts 15:20, 24, 29, 21:25 certain meats (all but strangled, or offered to idols)

---micha9344 on 10/7/10

This is a perfect example of how false dctrine is formed.

Notice that there is a change in doctrine in Genesis, in the OT, and between the OT and NT?

rest assured that this would be the start of false teaching. because is shows God as being double minded. In the above passages Gdo changes his doctrine often.

So either God is double minded, or this blogger is in error in his understanding.

In a case like this where do you stand?
---francis on 10/8/10


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Markv
please address this this statement by JackB

Some believe that Christ died for only some people because not everyone will accept Him as their Savior. This is speculation.

It is directly stated in scripture that Christ tasted death for every man (Heb 2:9) and died for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2). This is biblical truth.
---JackB on 10/7/10
---mima on 10/8/10


francis //If the doctrine is different then God is a liar: Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar,

Any major doctrine of the Christian faith would be expressed in one way or the other in the writings of that faith held by the saints of the early church. Jude 3

But what we find in Adventism is beliefs totally foreign to 'the faith which was once delivered unto the saints'.

For instance, if your Investigative judgment belief is true, then God is truly a liar since Christians do not come into judgment John 5:24 says it all.

Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
---leej on 10/8/10


JackB: While it sounds nice, this leaves you at the dangers of any errors that are your own, personal, errors. Pastors do have extra training in these things, as do the people who write the footnotes.

Certainly, let us check what the pastors tell us, and possibly vitis different churches if something seems strange, and this applies to footnotes as well.

But rejecting them is not such a good way ahead, as it leaves us in a very lonely osition
---peter3594 on 10/8/10


Its simply amazing how some people have formed an entire system of beliefs on footnotes added by a few men.

Take out the footnotes, pray and let the Holy Ghost teach you as you read.

Using the teachings of other men as an excuse when we stand before the Lord aint gonna cut it. We each have a responsibility to learn the truth for ourselves through prayer and studying Gods word instead of putting our faith in the interpretations of men of high esteem in the church.

I dont know about anyone else, but Im not willing to risk my eternal soul believing something just because a Pastor says its the truth.
---JackB on 10/7/10


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Let's read Iohn Caluin's perfect Bible translation (that is, the Geneva Bible... which was designed to safeguard the Protestant Reformation by the Bible text itself and the Reformation commentaries. Unfortunately, the political Anglican KJV came along and Calvinists today mostly forgot about the Geneva Bible).

I Iohn 2:2, And he is the reconciliation for our sinnes: and not for ours onely, but also for the sinnes of the whole worlde.

note b (placed before "the whole worlde") explains, That is, of them which haue embraced the Gospel by faith in all ages, degrees, & places: for there is no saluation without Christ

Amen. (All underlined words above means long s).
---Kev on 10/7/10


Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? [Was] not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
God doesn't change, we do, and God changes how he deals with us.
Genesis 1:29 no meat
Genesis 9:3 all meat
Leviticus 11 certain meat (clean)
Acts 15:20, 24, 29, 21:25 certain meats (all but strangled, or offered to idols)
This doesn't fit well with some people's doctrines, but there it is plain as day.
---micha9344 on 10/7/10


If this verse is true,
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines.

Then the only way to test the interpretations is the be sure that whatever scripture is given is the same yesterday, today, and forever (in both OT and NT)
If the doctrine is same in OT and NT that it is true.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures (BOOKS OF THE OT) daily, whether those things were so.

If the doctrine is different then God is a liar:
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar,
---francis on 10/7/10


Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines.

And such were those that climbed up on the rooftops and waited for Jesus to return back in October 1844.

Too proud to admit that their interpretation was totally wrong, two of their flock wandered through a cow pasture and invented the theory that Jesus went into the Heavenly sanctuary to begin judgment on which Christians would merit eternal life.

Strange doctrines indeed!!!!~!

---leej on 10/7/10


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Stay away from people who base their truth on speculation.

Example:

Some believe that Christ died for only some people because not everyone will accept Him as their Savior. This is speculation.

It is directly stated in scripture that Christ tasted death for every man (Heb 2:9) and died for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2). This is biblical truth.
---JackB on 10/7/10


With different interpretations of Scriptures, how do you avoid false teachings?

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not, therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Hebrews 13:8Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines.

Psalms 138:2 for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Numbers 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Psalms 102:27 But thou [art] the same, and thy years shall have no end.
---francis on 10/7/10


Sometimes it's as plain as the nose on your face, not always. Takes some growth, studying, the living God, and the great gift of discernment, [the power of thinking] certainly helps.
---catherine on 10/3/10


2 Tim. 2:15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed,rightly handling the word of truth.

To rightfully handle the word of truth, one must prayerfully study the scripture and at the same time listen to the teachers the Lord has given His church.

And I advise one to listen while in prayer.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

If something does not feel right, there is a good chance there is something wrong with what is being taught.

John 10:5 A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.
---leej on 10/2/10


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For 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 Is the author given to man for false teachings.

If God had an under - cover boss, No doubt that the devil 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 would give the trinity leaders lead way to put under - cover boss into the godhead also.
---Lawrence on 9/29/10


To avoid false teaching, do what the Bible says to do - let the Holy Spirit teach you and open the scriptures to you. Then you will not be deceived.
---Leslie on 9/14/09


Be most mindful of whom you are singing to! If you sit and intently absorb the false teacher's witness you will then stand up to sing to that idol you are collaborating with him on forming, holding out your hands and moving your spirit to a demon. Where God turns His face from in detest He allows a suitable demon to take up residency, like Molech and Asherah - names given them by men - though they can do nothing in response. Now you really need to get this, when you meet that demon you will recognise it because you have gotten to know it and to you it will be your god. There's a high price to pay for believing you can flirt with Christianity and not be diligent in knowing His truth. Jesus will be a mere stranger to you otherwise.
---John_II on 9/14/09


Pertaining to God's Salvation Plan Scriptures. Mark 16 v 16 - Act's 2 v's 37- 41 which Fulfills Matt 28 v's 19-20. Gal.1 v's 8-9. This Salvation Plan was given to Apostle Peter from God & was delivered to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost. Apostle Paul brough this Very Same Salvation message to us gentiles. Again,Gal.1 v's 8-9. Most trin-people deny this. The trin-people baptise in the titles Father-Son & Holy-spirit.(Man's teachings from r-catholoocism)
There is No one found in scriptures that baptized in the titles. They All were baptized in The Name of The Lord, & The Name of The Lord Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 8/11/09


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Signs of a false teacher #16: Beware the church that resigns itself as not perfect, it's a facade of honesty and empathy to appeal to our apathetic nature. The church of Jesus Christ is perfect and you find it by ingesting and digesting His word and by engaging Him in prayer and therefore becoming intimate. It's global and no one congregation may have have attained this though some members might have. Our nation (UK) is becoming idolatrous fast, even "Christians" are estranging themselves from Christ by forming God in their own image. Though our relationship with Jesus Christ may only be limited by the religious dogma and/ or creed we adopt from a church, you will find that God is altogether like you at an imperfect one!
---John_II on 7/23/09


Stick to the Bible.
---Betty on 7/10/09


BruceB, as with you, some days are better than others. I'll let it go now, as you wish.
---eric1968 on 7/8/09


2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth

Actually, this whole chapter is good to use to measure false teachings.
---miche3754 on 7/8/09


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Eric,

I could swear you wrote you were going to "let it go at that". Looks like you're interested in doin' a lot more to convince me of something than I am, you.

Perhaps you had less of an enjoyable day than I?
---BruceB on 7/7/09


BruceB, if you believe what others believe, then you go along with the consensus. If you don't believe what others believe, then you have created your own unique, personal belief system.
---eric1968 on 7/7/09


I simply asked if you believed the serpent's lie that 'you won't surely die'?"

Since it's obvious the serpent did lie why would I, or any other Christian, believe his lie over God's word? That's what I'm talking about Cliff when I say your reasoning is horribly twisted & furthermore subtle.

"No Leon, you show me the 'truth'"

This statement also shows me you're not really interested in the "truth" of God. You just want to argue against it. Very sad... I pray God's will be done in your life.
---Leon on 7/7/09


NO Leon, you show me the "truth"
Which part of my post is "twisted"?
What line is not true?
---1st_cliff on 7/6/09


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Cliff: Now that I fully understand what you're saying, the only thing further I can say regarding your comments is your reasoning is horribly twisted (serpentine). That's very sad & I pray God will show you the truth.
---Leon on 7/6/09


"how do you avoid false teachings?"

Through prayerful reading, study, and meditation upon what 'you' believe, or are willing to trust to be 'scripture'-The inspired word of the Creator and sustainer of life.
We have only one teacher, and He is 'The' Truth. Embrace steadfastflly what you are willing to rely on as being revelation knowledge revealed via the Direct Divine Inspiration of the Father and abide therein.
As it is written "The anointing [of the Holy Spirit] which ye received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any one [man] teach you, 'but' (nevertheless) His anointing teacheth you, concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, ye abide in Him." 1Jo 2:27 (ASV)
---joseph on 7/6/09


Leon, Sorry I didn't think my post was that ambiguous.
I simply asked if you believed the serpent's lie that "you won't surely die"?
Seems like fundamentalists embrace this idea that you keep on living regardless of what happens to your body!
They manufacture the notion that something slips out your nose or some other orifice and sneaks off to some other realm!
To cover the "resurrection" scriptures they say "Oh that's just the body"?
Not supported by the bible!
Jesus said "the DEAD" will rise" not just the body!
---1stcliff on 7/5/09


In truth, so please, take it as such.
I dont know you or you me. Nor I know, neither any here, nor they me (say Spirit), and in this unsaid. I can say, with no doubt! No one here will say they were convinced to believe in God by another man! For, you said, You haven't convinced me though to another!

I will not try to lie to you. I know no one can convince you to believe. But, maybe just maybe! If you pickup the bible with a measure of faith (given you), and ask! God, please explain! What are all these men, who say, you are my God, all talking about?
I said! I will not lie to you! No, man convinces me!
---TheSeg on 7/5/09


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Truth is the opposite of falsehood [untruth, a lie]." True!

"False teaching began in 'Eden' from the serpent's mouth." True! (Gen. 3)

Cliff: Do you agree the serpent's statement in Gen. 3:4 ("You will not surely die") was a lie (false teaching) or are you asking if I believe the lie? The way you framed the question is misleading, or else I'm once again struggling with mentalpause. :)

By the way, since it's obvious where untruth (false teaching) originated, where did (does) Truth come from? Thanks.
---Leon on 7/5/09


Eric,

I never said my belief was not my opinion--I said it was not my opinion... based on my acceptance of a consensus of believers. Ain't it funny how people can so easily misread something?

You seem to have mistaken my comment as an attempt to convince you of something. It wasn't. Honest Injun.

Enjoy your day, as well: and I will let it go at that, too.
---BruceB on 7/4/09


BruceB, if you want to believe that what you believe is not your opinion but fact, that's okay by me. You haven't convinced me though. Enjoy your day. I'll let it go at that.
---eric1968 on 7/4/09


Leon, Truth is the opposite of falsehood,
False teachings began in "Eden" from the serpent's mouth. "You will not surely die",do you believe this falsehood???
---1st_cliff on 7/3/09


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Eric,

I can assure you that what I believe is most definitely not my opinion... based on acceptance of any consensus of any believers--fellows or not: and those fellows, as it were, will be more than willinig to point that out. You can verify as fact that what I believe is not, at least, a consensus of anyone in this place simply by reading their rebuttals to my beliefs.

I'm sure you know that countless numbers of people never believed the earth is round. Some still don't: just as there are those who do not believe the salvation of Jesus is the truth. Of course, not believing the earth is round has actually saved some, if you count not burning at the stake as salvation.

Not believing Jesus is another issue.
---BruceB on 7/4/09


BruceB, what you believe is your opinion based on the your acceptance of the consensus of your fellow believers. That is how all faith communities work. I have no objection to that. I am just not part of your community, that's all.
---eric1968 on 7/3/09


Joh 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?...


Much as eric1968, Pilate chose to question truth. How do we avoid false teachings? Simply by accepting the truth.

Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed,
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.


Either we believe... or we don't.
---BruceB on 7/3/09


With regard to any type of religious beliefs, what is "true" will always just be a matter of opinion and consensus.
---eric1968 on 7/3/09


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Cliff: You didn't tell Kerry ( & the rest of us/everyone here) what constitutes "true" teaching. Do you have the truth? If so, would you please share it with us? Thanks! :)

Steveng: I agree, there are a lot of so-called bibles out there, e.g., gay, feminist, gender neutral, etc., that are the works of the vain imaginations of lost people. Their soul-damning works of the flesh are diametrically opposed to accurate manuscript translations.

Do you really believe most of todays Bible translations are taken from the KJV? My understanding is ALL Bible translations (including the KJV) are taken from the existing Hebrew & Greek manuscripts. Please explain.
---Leon on 7/3/09


After considerable research about this very topic in the early 1970's, I've come to the conclusion, with the help of the Holy Spirit, that the KJV is your better bible. You have a choice of hundreds of different bible translations to choose from: Kids bible, teen bible, gay bible, feminist bible, black bible, brown bible, white bible, etc. Many, if not most, bible translations today are taken from the KJV.

Developing a very close relationship with God begins with reading the bible. Once you get to know about him, you desire a personal relationship with him as you do with an earthly friend. It's through this relationship that you know the truth. It's too bad that most christians have the knowledge of God, but deny his being, his power.
---Steveng on 7/2/09


Kerry,In order to avoid false teachings you need to know what constitutes "true" teaching!
Every one on here thinks they have the truth!
---1st_cliff on 7/2/09


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