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What Is The New Covenant

Just exactly what are the constituent elements of the New Covenant?

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Maybe this will help. The Old Covenant of Law was primarily external, the New Covenant of Grace is internal (Ezek. 36:26,27).
Hebrews 8:6 says, "But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better Covenant" which was established on better promises"
---MarkV. on 7/31/09


Ken rank - Hebrew 8:9 For he finds fault with them when he says: Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,...

I do not claim to be an expert on Koine Greek, but my Greek-English Interlinear does not say 'renew' but 'new' and my Greek dictionary states 'new, of new quality, unused, unknown, unheard of'.

Perhaps you may wish to research the accuracy of your comment that the word translated in all the translations as 'new' in Jer. 31 & Hebrews 8 may mean 'renew'.

Perhaps you know something all the translators of the Bibles do not know, or should we surmise you have a need to support your works soteriology?

---Lee1538 on 7/30/09


I hope this does not fall on deaf ears.

The covenant made at Sinai was about the Torah being used as the constitution of sorts of the new nation, Israel. It would be their judicial system. It was also written on stone and asked by God to be kept in the heart. (Heart of stone)

Unable to do this, there is a renewing of the covenant (not new, chadasha and kainos are the Hebrew and Greek words used in Jer 31 and Heb 8 but neither mean NEW, both mean renew) where God write the same Torah on our hearts directly. (Heart of flesh)

Same Torah, this time placed by God in the place he wanted us to keep it.

Peace,
Ken
---Ken_Rank on 7/30/09


old covenant is about marriage of Christ to ancient Israel ...new covenant is marriage of Christ to SPIRITUAL Israel true Christians who follow and obey The Father in heaven through the power of his Holy Spirit ...happens when Christ RETURNS true Christians are the bride
---Rhonda on 7/25/09

If you look closely Rhonda at Heb 8:8-10 and tie the fact that Israel was divorced, the marriage law discussions become clear. The 1st husband had to die to free the wife for remarriage......Explaining Heb 8:8 and the entire nations of Israel being included.

Now you don't know who these people are....but Heb 8:10 is one of 70 mighty fine signs to begin with.
---Trav on 7/29/09


The new covenant is of total grace, where man is enabled to meet the terms of that covenant (salvation) only by the regenerating and sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit, God works in man both to will and to do, graciously bestowing upon him all that God requires of him.
---Tony on 7/29/09




Many of the TANKH laws are right in the New Covenant letters. It does not collide with the Holy Spirit.

Many cannot be kept, because Mashiachians(Christians) don't need a Temple anymore. We are the Temple, yet many basic laws & customs still have wisdom and promote truth.

Once circumcised always circumcised salvation is not in the Law or the Prophets.

Orthodox Phrasee Judaism sees the Law through their Oral traditiion, not the exact written application. This is the yoke in acts 15, not the Law.

The Karaite Jews "don't" follow Pharasee interpretation of the Law. They follow the what is written.

Nehiamiah Gordon gives good info on what the confusion of the word Law means.
---Yochanan on 7/26/09


deception given by god of this world father of lies by the counterfeit Christ 2Corin 4:4, John 8:44, 2Corin 11:4 is based on mens tradtions Mark 7:7 their deliberate twisting of basic scripture leads many self professing christians of religious christianity to believe old covenant are "harsh" 10 commandments and new covenant is all about grace and promises with NO Laws or ANY obedience ...to believe this lie one must dismiss most of NT and very words of Christ

old covenant is about marriage of Christ to ancient Israel ...new covenant is marriage of Christ to SPIRITUAL Israel true Christians who follow and obey The Father in heaven through the power of his Holy Spirit ...happens when Christ RETURNS true Christians are the bride
---Rhonda on 7/25/09


trav - *You Sir are effeminate...and should not be. A rebuke is different than a provocation. I ask no forgiveness...but, pray for Men to be Men of GOD. Not followers of women. An unscriptural order.

No, not in the least, only that there are some of us that are interesting in fulfilling the Great Commission and using whatever resources are available to us.

So far neither yourself or others have been able to point to a single verse in scripture that prevents God from calling a woman into the ministry.

All you have been able to squawk about is some verses that state one must be married in order to be an elder or deacon.

So that really depicts those that oppose women in the ministry as sexists, does it not?
---Lee1538 on 7/24/09


Trav is right, the constituents of the New Convenant are ironically mentioned first in the Old Testament. Laws would move from rituals to the hearts and minds of Israel first and then Gentiles.
Jer 31:31
---larry on 7/20/09

Larry....Ironically? Explain. Also can't find where the laws move to the hearts and minds of Gentiles?

Now...if it is understood...that the mistranslation on this latin word....meaning not of Rome originally was referring to the ethnos,nations of divorced Israel....then it fits Heb 8:10-Jer 31:33.
Where are these millions GOD wrote laws on heart too??
---Trav on 7/21/09


Steveng -Are the first three commandments moral laws?

I would say Yes since they deal with worship of God alone and anyone that worships other things, commit idolatry which is certainly a moral issue.

And thanks for agreeing with me that the Gentiles who follow their conscience do indeed fulfill the law and that without observing the Jewish sabbath. Romans 2:14-15
---Lee1538 on 7/21/09




*Laws would move from rituals to the hearts and minds of Israel first and then Gentiles.

Those that usually hold that position are unfamiliar with what is in the OT covenant law (Google Judaism 101 for a total listing of OT laws).

Fortunately the Christian only need to look to the indwelling Holy Spirit for guidance in his or her daily walk. In that sense, there is really no need for the law, particularly after it has fulfilled its function as a schoolmaster to lead us to faith.

Gal 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
---Lee1538 on 7/21/09


>Keep Christianity Simple.

Hmmm, then why have such a long Bible? Perhaps these things swritten for our instruction, etc.?

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
---David_C on 7/20/09


Trav is right, the constituents of the New Convenant are ironically mentioned first in the Old Testament. Laws would move from rituals to the hearts and minds of Israel first and then Gentiles.
Jer 31:31

There tends to be some confusion by the Israel/Jew haters claming that Jews have not acknowledged Jesus, are no part of the new convenant and are going to hell.
Many Jews and Gentiles have gone to hell, but this ignores the bibllical narrative that the first Christians were only Jews preaching to other Jews (Acts 2:14) until Paul raised the spectre of preaching to Gentiles.
---larry on 7/20/09


I've got the answer for those of you who are utterly confused about covenants.

KCS.

Keep Christianity Simple.
---Steveng on 7/16/09

There was some merit in your post....but, it sounded like being confused yourself the simplest answer was to follow your homegrown wisdom. The answer is simple alright. Heb 8:8, Jer 31:31. This is the only people a covenant was made with. That had the laws, that will have the law written in their heart,mind. Most cannot accept that...they have these laws, or that they are possibly this people.
Telling someone to do something that is not in their heart to do??? Good luck. Many muzzies need you.

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself
---Trav on 7/20/09


>Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

"end" (in the Greek telos) is teleoogical not terminal. The Law was fulfilled in Christ because it points to Him and was literally obeyed by Him. Not that the Law ceased to be when Christ arrived. The Law continues to point out our sins and our need of Christ.
---David_C on 7/20/09


The New covenant establishes the Law Romans 3:31. The purpose of the law is to define sin. Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Grace was found in the OT. No one has ever worked their way to heaven. Except JESUS.

All scripture is for the church. 2 Tim 3. It must be rightly divided that is true. But to cut off 75% of the bible is wrong.
---Samuel on 7/20/09


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Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not be master over you for you are not under law, but under grace.

One is either under the old covenant law or new covenant grace. Old covenant works of the flesh, new covenant works of Christ. Christ fulfilled the law (the old) and brought in the new (grace). Those saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus are made righteous and receive all things freely from the Father.
---Bob on 7/19/09


larry: "Mima -The difference between the old and the new covenant is basically this, under the old covenant was the law(impossible to keep by man)

Thanks Mima, your entry is succinct and simple without all of he self-righteous derision and name-calling seen too often in this community. God bless."

If you read my last post, instead of Paul writing a long letter to the Colossians, all he had to do is say, "Don't follow man's teachings only follow Christ's." Abbreviating something down to it's smallest premise, the meaning loses its full truth.
---Steveng on 7/19/09


I like it. Keep it simple.
Very simply, the Old covenant focused on the external life. The New Covenant is a focus of the heart.
---Rodj on 7/18/09


Samuel: I think that you are right on! The NC changed only the location (heart vs. stone) of the Law, and not its content. But I think there is deeper meaning yet. In the OC, the penalty for transgressing the Law was paid by the sacrifice of animals under the levitical priesthood. (That was a part of the contract.) In contrast, the NC establishes the Melchisedec priesthood (see the book of Hebrews), and the the blood of the true "Lamb of God" as the payment for the transgression of the SAME Law. Remember that "For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator." (Heb 9:16)
---jerry6593 on 7/18/09


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Meira, You must mean Det. 30:11,14. In the context, it did not mean it was possible for them to keep it, He said it was close to them because He was presenting the law in person.
Det. 30:11, "For this commandment which I command you today is not to mysterious for you, nor is it far off. It is not in heaven," Mysterious meant not hard to understand. And verse 14, "But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it" Again they knew the law because Moses had given it to them, and it was so they could do it, but doesn't say that everyone could or that it was not difficult to do. In fact no one could keep the complete law. And even if they kept it, the law could not save them.
---MarkV. on 7/18/09


Exacty Steveng.
---Rodj on 7/17/09


Mima -The difference between the old and the new covenant is basically this, under the old covenant was the law(impossible to keep by man)

The torah wasn't to hard to keep.

Dt 31:11 "For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.

Dt 31:14 "But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it.

Yahushua's (jesus) sacrifice was made so that when in inadvertently break them, we already have atonement-not the atonement of lambs and bulls. The word Torah means instruction. If one says that we have the freedom to live w/o El's instruction then who is your guide? Remember, the Holy Spirit also obey's El's instruction.
---Meira on 7/17/09


I've got the answer for those of you who are utterly confused about covenants.

KCS.

Keep Christianity Simple.

In Paul's letter to the Colossians he writes: "don't let others spoil your faith and joy with thier philosophies, their wrong and shallow answers built on men's thoughts and ideas."

Instead, do what Jesus asked us to love God and love your neighbor. While most christians know that they must love, but they don't know HOW to love. Do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," and "encourag" because living a christian life is a 24/7 lifestyle - not a once a week pep talk dished out by denominational "churches,"
---Steveng on 7/16/09


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Does following verse fits you well?

Ro 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to law of God, neither indeed can be.
---Lee1538 on 7/15/09

Thank you, for reminding. Sir it does fit me. I find myself unworthy every day. I would be like David...and am. I represent him at his worst. May GOD have mercy on me. Wisdom to be his best.
I do provoke. I do it on purpose many times. Unashamed to do so..scripturally. I was provoked to look. GOD placed a provoker in my path. I'm thankful for him.
You Sir are effeminate...and should not be. A rebuke is different than a provocation. I ask no forgiveness...but, pray for Men to be Men of GOD. Not followers of women. An unscriptural order.
---Trav on 7/16/09


Mima -The difference between the old and the new covenant is basically this, under the old covenant was the law(impossible to keep by man)

Thanks Mima, your entry is succinct and simple without all of he self-righteous derision and name-calling seen too often in this community. God bless.
---larry on 7/16/09


To realy study the New Covenant both Romans and Hebrews must be studied. Both tell details and fill in blanks about what the New Covenant is about.

Also in the study is how the Apostles used the scriptures of their time. Paul stated the scriptures or OT was still for doctrine and correction. So any understanding must agree with that point. Hebrews quotes and states that the New Covenant is with Isreal. Paul states Gentiles are grafted into Israel.

Both romans and Hebrews say the law is moved into our hearts in the New Covenant. In the Old the central laws were on stone now they ae to be in our hearts.

JESUS presented as the central point of judgment how we treat others.
---Samuel on 7/16/09


Mark Eaton: I have read many definitions of the New Covenant (NC) on this website. Some people say that the Old Covenant (OC) is the Old Testament (OT) and the NC is the New Testament (NT). Others define it as the Gospel of Christ which eliminates the OT and all its restrictions - even the Ten Commandments (10C).

A covenant is an agreement - a contract if you will. But the essence of my question is: What are the terms of the contract, and how did they differ from the OC to the NC? The scripture gives no hint of a change in terms where the NC is discussed in Jer or when Paul quotes it in Heb. The only definition of terms is "the Law." So where do these variant definitions come from? A desire to break the Law?
---jerry6593 on 7/16/09


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Lee1538: "Hence, Sabbath observance cannot be a moral law from a Biblical prospective."

Are the first three commandments moral laws?
---Steveng on 7/15/09


trav - having been a student of theology for years and having served successfully in various capacities in the church, you leave me wondering exactly what teachings I hold that your deem to be false.

Perhaps in view of the fact that you speak of mud puddles, etc.and seem to enjoy throwing mud at others, that is where your mind is at as you have provided nothing to substantiate any of your accusations.


Does the following verse fits you well?

Ro 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
---Lee1538 on 7/15/09


Jerry:

You have read all of our answers to your blog question on the new covenant. Now I would like to read your answer. Would you mind answering the blog question yourself?

I am interested to know if you wanted to find out information on the new covenant or did you just want to start an argument about your own beliefs.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/15/09


Jerry - *"The problem arises from their following a false prophet or teacher."

Yes, and YOU are that false prophet or teacher who attempts to deceive.

We can understand and even identify with your problem since scripture states -.

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebr. 4:12

And many have found themselves impaled on the word of God, particular those who have followed false leaders.





---Lee1538 on 7/15/09


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Sorry that you are unable to be serious about this subject. Perhaps such is beyond your capability to comprehend?
---Lee1538 on 7/14/09

Serious? Comprehend? Ha, ole poster that cannot see.
Point was....you have no faith.
It was common and human. Walked on water lately? Know a guy that tried.
You do not believe scripture that goes against your humanistic understanding. Logic of your falls short.
Going against scripture you find yourself in all these pits that you actually dig yourself. When you can't see us over the top...we are the blind ones. ha.
Jesus explains the law...
GOD writes them in a particular group hearts and minds.....
But, perhaps .....
---Trav on 7/15/09


Lee: "The problem arises from their following a false prophet or teacher."

Yes, and YOU are that false prophet or teacher who attempts to deceive.
---jerry6593 on 7/15/09

Agreement on that. Provides opportunity to show scriptures on a number of subjects.

1 Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
---Trav on 7/15/09


Jerry - *Yes, and YOU are that false prophet or teacher who attempts to deceive.

If I am a false teacher than the scripture should testify to that effect. But you have not been able to point out a single verse found in the New Covenant of the church where my witness has been false.

OTOH, it is your denomination that is concerned with the observance of days, what one eats as well as judgment upon those that truly love & follow the Lord as well as other things contrary to the New Covenant dispensation.

You should really get into a good study of the New Testament, particularly Romans, with those who know both the Scripture and its Author.
---Lee1538 on 7/15/09


Steveng - *It's the moral laws we should consider. The Ten Commandments are refered to throughout the NT - yes, including the Sabbath

While one can agree moral law is something we all need to consider with all seriousness, scripture tells you that moral law was fulfilled by the Gentiles who followed their conscience

Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:...

It is really a matter of simplicity to realize that the Gentiles did NOT observe the Sabbath commandment but we are told they did by nature the things in the law.

Hence, Sabbath observance cannot be a moral law from a Biblical prospective.
---Lee1538 on 7/15/09


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Lee: "The problem arises from their following a false prophet or teacher."

Yes, and YOU are that false prophet or teacher who attempts to deceive.
---jerry6593 on 7/15/09


trav - you really should study the Old Testament and identify what those 600+ laws really are.

There is a website available for you to do that.

What is really ludricous is that God would write ceremonial laws, or laws dealing strictly with Israel onto the hearts of believers.

Anyone that has any sense should be able to realize that. Sorry that you are unable to be serious about this subject. Perhaps such is beyond your capability to comprehend?
---Lee1538 on 7/14/09


The two commandments Jesus spoke of is an abbreviated form of the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments, if you really look hard, is an abbreviation form of the 613 commandments (Mitzvot, Mosaic, or the Laws of Moses), each can be catagorized accordingly.

God's laws are timeless. It's the moral laws we should consider. The Ten Commandments are refered to throughout the NT - yes, including the Sabbath. The laws are the same before Christ as after except for one difference - The 10C in the OT is worldly and the 10C in the NT is spiritual. Jesus gave examples: one being if you murdered someone in the OT it was a sin. Now, if you hated someone in your heart you have murdered. Same laws, different terms.
---Steveng on 7/14/09


There are over 600+ laws in the Old Covenant. To say that God wrote the OT laws onto the heart of New Covenant believers is totally ludicrous....
---Lee1538 on 7/14/09

It is too big for your GOD....but not for mine and many others.
Lee, you sound like a .....that would drown in a mud puddle....building it mentally into a lake.
---Trav on 7/14/09


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There are over 600+ laws in the Old Covenant. To say that God wrote the OT laws onto the heart of New Covenant believers is totally ludicrous in view of the fact that there are many OT laws that are ceremonial or ritualistic in nature, governed the priesthood duties or pertained to land of Israel itself.

And if you were to subscribe to only some OT law and not to others, one would need some kind of pontificate (like EGW, Joseph Smith, or the Roman pope) to determine which were applicable or which were not to the Christian walk. And such all too often is the case with cults.
---Lee1538 on 7/14/09


The difference between the old and the new covenant is basically this, under the old covenant was the law(impossible to keep by man)

Because it was impossible to be kept God himself(by his son) kept the old covenant for us(mankind). This has resulted in the age of grace and in the age of grace where we are now all of God's righteousness(by way of his son Jesus) is imputed to us(accounted for) when we receive his son Jesus. Most Israelis today know nothing of this(this of course is for the benefit of the Gentiles) but their hour is coming. And when it comes great will be their blessings. Let us thank the father for the son!!!!!!
---mima on 7/14/09


Hebrews 8: 8f Behold, the days are coming, ...,when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, NOT LIKE the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt.

Jeremiah. 31:31f Behold, the days are coming, ... when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, NOT LIKE the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt,

Notice both the OT and NT verses tell us the covenant will be NOT LIKE the covenant He made with them after they left Egypt. So the New Covenant is NOT simply a re-hash of the Old.
---Lee1538 on 7/14/09


Gina - *Sins were forgiven. The animal sacrifices and their shed blood pointed forward to the coming saviour who would shed his blood.

You forgot to mention that the OT sabbath being a sign of the Old Covenant (Ex,31:13), was but a shadow of that rest that believers of Christ enter into.

Hebrews 4:3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,As I swore in my wrath,They shall not enter my rest, although his works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Now you know why the early first century church did not teach Sabbath observance.
---Lee1538 on 7/14/09


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The New Covenant (Testament) is God writing the law through the Holy Spirit, into our hearts and minds so that we obey Him out of love, in the power of Christ's victorious death on the cross.
---Gina7 on 7/11/09

I agree with Gina7, Verified in scripture,prophets and seen in real time. Judah, doesn't make the cut in this scripture it appears only the ....other 11 nations. Which has been noted the last 1977 years.

10This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
---Trav on 7/14/09


Let me put this way in the old covenant which was given to Abraham the Jewish people were to be Gods chosen people.

The new covenant was to be for both Jew and gentle. ---Jon on 7/13/09

Abraham Judean? Show your scripture on chosen people.

Show the New Covenant was for both Judean and Gentile.

Throw a couple of prophets in while your at it.
---Trav on 7/14/09


In the old covenant sins couldn't be forgiven they were just rolled over from year to year. In the new covenant sins can be forgiven.
---Jon 7/13/09
No sins forgiven in the OC? Rolled over? Where do you get this from?

Sins were forgiven. The animal sacrifices and their shed blood pointed forward to the coming saviour who would shed his blood. The priests took the blood, carrying the "sin" into the sanctuary, where it was deposited every day, until once per year, was the Great Day of Atonement, where the High Priest, cleansed the sanctuary of all sins and they were erased. Not only were the sins forgiven in the faith of the coming saviour, they were completely erased, cleansing the sanctuary of the record of sins.
---Gina7 on 7/13/09


Heb 8:10, Jeremiah 31:33

The New Cov is an agreement between God and us over the 10 commandments, and the seal is the 4th, the Sabbath.
A Seal always has the name, title, and territory of the King. What does the Sabbath commandment have? All 3 of these.

Name "The Lord thy God"

Title "Creator"

Territory "The heavens and the earth"

Since the definition of a "covenant" always includes a seal, it stands to reason that God's covenenant, or binding agreement with us over the 10 commandments, also includes a seal. Some try to remove the seal and say the covenenant does not include it, but the seal is quite important and cannot be removed, because God placed it there.
---Gina7 on 7/13/09


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*Let me put this way in the old covenant which was given to Abraham the Jewish people were to be Gods chosen people.

No, there were several covenants that God made - one with Noah (Gen. 6:18), one made with Abraham (17:4), with Moses (Dt.4:13), with David (2 Sam. 23).

The one we refer to in the New Testament declared to be the Old Covenant is the one God made with Moses which essentially was the 10 commandments.

The New Covenant also made with Israel was the covenant of grace, not of law and included all who believe in Christ. It was a better covenant with Jesus as the Mediator than the one of law.
---Lee1538 on 7/13/09


Let me put this way in the old covenant which was given to Abraham the Jewish people were to be Gods chosen people. The new covenant was to be for both Jew and gentle. The new covenant is for Christians. In the old covenant sins couldn't be forgiven they were just rolled over from year to year. In the new covenant sins can be forgiven.
---Jon on 7/13/09


Gina -- I think you have summerized it well.
---Donna66 on 7/13/09


trav - *I can say there is no covenant made with anyone other than Israel.

While true, the New Covenant of the church included all believers no matter whether Jewish or Gentile. if you were to study church history you would find that the New Covenant of which Jesus is the mediator, included anyone who would believe in Jesus.

That has been the teachings of the church since it conception.
---Lee1538 on 7/12/09


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2 Cor. 3:7-8 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end,will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory?

While Gina apparently believe the ministry of death is written on the hearts of believers, she fails to understand that what is written on the hearts of believers is Christ and His love towards others.

It truly amazes me of the convoluted theories that some dream up in order to justify their obedience to laws given only to the Hebrew nation and not even suggested in the New Covenant of the church.

The problem arises from their following a false prophet or teacher.
---Lee1538 on 7/12/09


So the New Covenant made with the house of Israel included Gentiles and was not to be a re-hash of the Old Covenant.
---Lee1538 on 7/10/09

Lee, being church brand indoc'd,(baptist)assy,God etc) from a young age...I realize the scriptures that you have not verified.....it had to be pointed out to me. You might say I was provoked into proving by my defense of my previous understanding. I can say there is no covenant made with anyone other than Israel. No prophet supports either. Not one. You would be surprised as I to learn...their are multi millions,perhaps billions of the "nation","ethnos" of late Israel. The translation of gentile.
---Trav on 7/12/09


Old Covenant (Testament) is God writing the Law on tables of stone and the Israelites promising to obey in their own power. // The New Covenant (Testament) is God writing the law through the Holy Spirit, into our hearts and minds so that we obey Him out of love, in the power of Christ's victorious death on the cross.
---Gina7 on 7/11/09


Pharisee: "The law is not the basis of the agreement."

I quoted Jer 31:33 that says you're wrong. Maybe you'll believe Paul when He quotes him.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put MY LAWS into their mind, and write them in their hearts:

Do you have a scripture that justifies your destruction of God's Law as the essential element of the New Covenant? My Bible says that the Law remains the same - but the priesthood changed. The levitical priesthood is replaced with the order of Melchisedec - and Jesus as our High Priest. Read the book of Hebrews - that's its subject.
---jerry6593 on 7/11/09


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A long time ago, the Israelites were favored by God and were chosen to spread His word throughout the world. They failed. They thought that they were chosen and they kept the word of God to themselves. So God needed another covenent having the same laws, but with different terms. Much like a home mortgage. The terms included anyone who would listen and spread the word of the Kingdom of God and how to get there.
---Steveng on 7/10/09


trav - while Judah is not specifically mentioned, Jeremiah 31:33 speaks of the house of Israel meaning all Jewish people located everywhere.

The claw in the throat of those that believe the OT laws are still applicable is that Jeremiah and Hebrews speaks of a covenant that is NOT according to the one God made with Israel when they came out of Egypt.

So the New Covenant made with the house of Israel included Gentiles and was not to be a re-hash of the Old Covenant.
---Lee1538 on 7/10/09


Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel, After those days, saith the LORD, I will put MY LAW in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
---jerry6593 on 7/6/09

Judah is not mentioned in this part like they are two verses previous.

It has been apparent for 2000 years that this is missing from this part of this nation.
---Trav on 7/10/09


Pharisee, what you put down is very true indeed. The Covenant of grace and the Covenant of works are very different. One had to come before the other in order to show why man are held responsible for their sins and why they need the Covenant of grace in order to be right with God. Faith is the agreement of those who are born of the Spirit. Faith that the Works of Christ on the Cross is the only way they can be right with God. Otherwise they are under the law of the Old Covenant. And no one could keep it by works since breaking one would break all of them. Covenants are made by God, and are laid out by Him. What He demands from us and what we will do to honor His demands. It is not a contract where both have rights. Only God's rights count.
---MarkV. on 7/9/09


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understand we are by nature,aka the flesh,LAW BREAKERS.Omce adam and eve fell,disobeyed,we their heirs all are born with this nature.God did noy make adam this way but adam chose to disobey.
---tom2 on 7/9/09


Pharisee on 7/6/09---

Amen,AMEN! You expressed in few words what others, myself included, have taken hundreds of words trying to say. Thanks!
---Donna66 on 7/8/09


Jesus Christ and what He has done for us (shed His blood so that we may have forgiveness of our sins and access to God through the Blood of Jesus) is the New Covenant.

Jesus came to forgive sins, so that we might be reconciled to God through Him.
---anon on 7/7/09


Pharisee - you are in the middle of the bullseye.

It is the Lord that creates in us the desire to do good works (Php. 2:13) and those works have at their epicenter love for neighbor (Romans 13:9f).

As to those who continue to emphasize the law, I am left wondering if they truly have experienced the grace God offers to us sinners.

Ga 3:23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.
---Lee1538 on 7/6/09


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The law is not the basis of the agreement, the agreement is by faith. The law was satisfied, and the Bible says that by the deeds of the law shall no flesh be justified in his sight.

If you think the new covenant is according to law you whiffed. A person is "justified" by Jesus Christ, there's nothing left for a believer to fulfill. Our good works are preordained by God (Eph 2:10) and if that's the case we can't even take credit for them because we were led to them, and God constructed the time and circumstance, "that we should walk in them."

It's rank humanism to think for even a second that anything we do apart from what he's led us to do will please him, and that includes being religious about commandments.
---Pharisee on 7/6/09


thank you joseph,your post is so much better,and gives the exact words used in scripture,good job.jesus jesus jesus.
---tom2 on 7/6/09


Pharisee: "The law is not the basis of the agreement."

That's not what the Bible says:

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel, After those days, saith the LORD, I will put MY LAW in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
---jerry6593 on 7/6/09


Many point to Jeremiah 31:31-37 as God speaking through Jeremiah announcing the new covenant.

In it, God says:

- He will put the law in our minds and hearts
- He will be our God and we His people
- He will forgive our wickedness
- He will remember our sins no more
- We will all know Him individually
---Mark_Eaton on 7/5/09


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*But many claim rather than merely a new agreement, the New Covenant also altered the substance of the thing being agreed upon - the Law itself. What are your thoughts and why?

The 'many' being Biblical scholars.

The New Covenant made with Israel and included Gentiles was one that was 'Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord'. Hebrews 8:9

In other words, the New Covenant is not a rehash or an appendage to the old Sinaitic covenant in which Paul called its followers the children of Hagar, not children of the promise given to Abraham. Gal.4:24f
---Lee1538 on 7/5/09


Well it didn't alter the substance of what was agreed upon, it just altered who provides it. If it's provided then no requirement can be added. The currency to complete the transaction is faith. You enter by faith, and stay in Christ. The part you and I will never agree upon are the Ten Commandments. The problem in my estimation is that you can't see this.

A person can keep the ten commands to the letter and still have a heart filled with wickedness. A person filled with God's Spirit needs no command, he's already agreed with the one who's chosen to carry and change him, and he loves what he's been shown so he does it. Only one of these can please God, and it's the one Jesus did. If what you doesn't even please God who's it for?
---Pharisee on 7/5/09


But many claim that rather than merely a new agreement, the New Covenant also altered the substance of the thing being agreed upon - the Law itself. What are your thoughts and why?
---jerry6593 on 7/5/09

The law is not the basis of the agreement. If it were still the fullness of what the agreement entailed we'd still have to keep it all to the letter. God was never satisfied with a human's ability to keep commands, and so kept them all for us in Christ. Take a soda can, when it's filled and sealed nothing can be added to it anymore. We go on adding works as if it effects our standing with God. No, the foundation is already laid, we can store up good works now. If you believe keeping commands is good works be my guest.
---Pharisee on 7/5/09


Father placed His law in our minds, and has written it upon our hearts. He has made an 'everlasting' covenant with us, by putting 'His Spirit' within us, causing us to walk in His statutes, and judgments, to keep and to do them. 'A new heart' has He given us, and 'a new spirit' has been placed within us. 'The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus' has made us 'free from the law of sin and death'. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, Father sent 'His own Son' in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, 'condemned sin in the flesh': That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. The "constituent elements" are emphasized.
---Josef on 7/5/09


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Pharisee: I agree that the New Covenant involves the blood of Christ as the fulfillment of the requirements of the law (i.e., the payment of the penalty for our sins). But many claim that rather than merely a new agreement, the New Covenant also altered the substance of the thing being agreed upon - the Law itself. What are your thoughts and why?
---jerry6593 on 7/5/09


What constitutes the New Covenant is the ministry of Jesus Christ and a believer's faith in him. The words he spake were the words of the Father (John 8:26) and Jesus' witness is complete by two or three witnesses. (John 8:17-18)The fact is in numerous places Jesus testifies that believing into Jesus would save a person from condemnation his blood being the payment.

Jesus said these words:
"For this is my blood of the new testament,(dee-ath-ay'-kay, G1242) which is shed for many for the remission of sins." Matthew 26:28
G1242 Strong's definition:
diatheke
dee-ath-ay'-kay,
properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) a contract (especially a devisory will): - covenant, testament.
---Pharisee on 7/4/09


the new covenant was fullfilled by jesus. His life,ministry,death ,and resurrection. It is prophesied in Jermiah 31-31-33
---tom2 on 7/4/09


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