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My Family Is In Hell

If I went to heaven, I would ask where my parents were and the people who loved as a child. I would be told, "They are burning in hell forever because they were not Christians." Knowing that, wouldn't my eternity in heaven itself be hell, knowing I could do nothing for my tortured loved ones?

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 ---eric1968 on 7/5/09
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Or let me put another twist on it Eric: What if we went to heaven but did not want to meet evil loved ones there. Then what? I mean the people we felt were evil when we were here on earth and alive. We all have relatives that we do not get along with and never will, even in Heaven!
There are no easy answers to your question or mine. We just dont have enough knowledge about these things,right now. One day we will understand it all.
---Robyn on 12/9/09


Glen 2 continue:
Another is who wrote Romans? Paul? It's a human book written by Paul, his opinions on things right? Who wrote Romans? God? Who wrote Romans? Is it all God's Word? Is it all Paul? See what I mean. So when the Bible says we're are chosen in Him before the foundation of the world, elect to be saved, I believe it with all my heart. And when the Bible says you will not come unto me that you might have life, Whomsoever will may come and if you don't come it your fault. I believe that with all my heart as well, and the fact that I can't resolve them proves that I'm not God and that's comforting. It only proves something about me, it shows that I am limited in my understandings of His character.
---MarkV. on 11/10/09


Glen, trying to understand how God works is very hard unless we have an open mind, and even then we know so little. like the story of Habakkuk, he cries out to God, Oh God bring a revival, on and on, and God say's "I am going to come to My people, only I'm not going to save them I'm going to wipe them out" and He says, "Not only that I'm going to use the Caldeans" They were worse then the people. Can we understand that part of God? No.
"The just shall live by faith" There is no answer to that except to trust God. Predestination of man, that too is a paradox, not a contradiction. It is irreconcilable, it cannot be reconciled. Jesus is 100% man and 100% God, it is irreconcilable.
---MarkV. on 11/10/09


The destruction or persing of the wicked is taught by many scriptures. As one historical movie on the Greek god Hades pointed out that the Bible says Hades will be destoryed. Then it commented it was both the place and the god.

If a nonchristian Show on history can recognize this why cannot those who truly believe in the bible.
---Samuel on 11/10/09


fair point mark i agree with you about trusting god
if what i said was not based on scripture it would be groundless, but i've backed up this concept of annihilation with scripture
i used to think it was eternal until i really studied the subject and also found out what original greek words actually said
age during punishment for example is not eternal but that is what the greek actually said
when the context of "neverending" was used a DIFFERENT word was used to age lasting
age lasting refers to the same period of time of the punishment of sinners and rewards of the righteous up until the new heavens and the new earth, which then becomes the eternal age without end
---glen on 11/10/09




REV 20:12 and I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and scrolls were opened, and another scroll was opened, which is that of the life, and the dead were judged out of the things written in the scrolls -- ACCORDING TO THEY'RE WORKS,
REV 20:13 and the sea did give up those dead in it, and the death and the hades did give up the dead in them, and they were judged, each one ACCORDING TO THEY'RE WORKS,
REV 20:14 and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire -- this `is' the second death,
ROMANS 2:6
6 who shall render to each according to his works,
these are not casual remarks nor are they mystical symbolic ones, it means what it says
satan will receive the longest torment
---glen on 11/10/09


I agree with Markv.

I trust in the character of God.
---Rod4Him on 11/9/09


Glen, you said,
"You cannot reconcile a place of punishing that will go on forever with the concept of a merciful, just, and loving God."
Glen, I don't try to reoncile what God does. I know whatever He does He is righteous in doing it. I also know He is God, and I believe it, not because I understand it all but because it is written. Sure I wonder many times why He does things a certain way, but I know He knows why and He is much bigger then my understandings. He is concern with all things from people, animals, nature, the heavens, the sea, even to the sparrow that falls to the ground. I cannot do that Glen, and don't understand how He does it, but I believe it.
---MarkV. on 11/9/09


Jude 7 Sodom and Gomorrah are examples of AGE-lasting fire.

Sodom and Gomorrah are not still burning today.
Malachi 4:1-3 The wicked shall be ashes. They burned until there was nothing left.

Psalm 37:10 The wicked will cease to be.

Psalm 37:20 The wicked will consume away.

Psalm 37:35,36 The wicked will not be able to be found (because as weve read, they will be destroyed).

If something is forever burning, there will never come a time when it ceases to exist.
The effects of the fire are eternal, not the fire itself.
---glen on 11/9/09


Jude 7 Sodom and Gomorrah are examples of AGE-lasting fire.

Sodom and Gomorrah are not still burning today.
Malachi 4:1-3 The wicked shall be ashes. They burned until there was nothing left.

Psalm 37:10 The wicked will cease to be.

Psalm 37:20 The wicked will consume away.

Psalm 37:35,36 The wicked will not be able to be found (because as weve read, they will be destroyed).

If something is forever burning, there will never come a time when it ceases to exist.
The effects of the fire are eternal, not the fire itself.
---glen on 11/9/09




You cannot reconcile a place of punishing that will go on forever with the concept of a merciful, just, and loving God.
Is it essential to holiness to keep evil forever in existence? And is Justice only satisfied with everlasting agonies?
Satan has always attacked the character of God. This doctrine attacks his character.
people will say as usual that we do not know gods ways or justice - yet at the same time claim to know themselves how god will deal out his justice!! what a contadiction!!
---glen on 11/9/09


Catherine ... That sounds as if you won't be Catherine any more. Who will you be? Will you be an individual?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/3/09


When born-agains go to heaven they will not remember anything about their life down here, so, you won't be asking God anything pertaining to this life. Heaven will be heaven...ly.
---catherine on 11/3/09


mark
i don't think you are really listening to what i said, the original hebrew does NOT say the same as the english ones we read
drop the tradition and get the answer from the SPIRIT of christ
---glen on 11/2/09


i said it isn't neverending i did not say hell doesn't exist mark - you just put words in my mouth, there is so much evidence that it is AGE lasting not neverending, even in the english bible
can't you see it?
---glen on 11/2/09


In Heaven, as a Saint who will inhabit Heaven, you will know and understand perfect Justice. You will understand much, much better GOD's Grace, His Mercy, His Love, and then, also, His Perfect Hatred for Sin and Evil. You will understand that GOD was fair with everyone, regardless of how it seems now, on this side of Eternity. You will be saddened to know your unsaved loved ones are lost in Hell, but, GOD promises to wipe every tear of sadness away from the eyes of His Saints. So, your time spent in Heaven throughout Eternity will not be spent in sadness for your lost loved ones. Besides, your TRUE Family will be with you in Heaven. Heaven is a Place of Perfect Love, Peace, Joy and Happiness.
---Gordon on 11/2/09


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The doctrine of etrnal torture as the punishment for sin ignores that JESUS said the wages of sin is death. Revelation calls it the second death.

JESUS died to save us from sin. Those who refuse to be saved from sin will die the second death as the result of clinging to sin. The only way to not be in the presence of GOD is to not exist.
---Samuel on 11/2/09


Glen, you should be very careful when you condemn a doctrine and say it is of the devil. Just because you don't believe in hell does not give you the right to call something from the devil when it was Jesus Christ who said eternal punishment is for those on His left hand in Matthew 25:45,46
"Then He will answer them, saying, Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me. And 'these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life"
The words of Christ condemns what you say Glen. Go ahead and don't believe in everlasting punishment but don't call it a doctrine from the devil.
---MarkV. on 11/2/09


eternal torture is a doctrine of devils
the original hebrew says AGE lasting punishment not neverending punishment, so does the greek
how can someone be shut off from gods presence in hell, yet revelation says "they will be tormented in the PRESENCE of the holy angels and the lamb"?
after they are destroyed only then are they shut off - forever because they no longer exist
what a great trick satan has pulled off by this torture doctrine which contradicts and blasphemes gods character
talk about blind leading the blind, so many people really do believe that the modern english translations are gods perfect word
guess what? it isn't. Yashua is the word of god, and he is more than a piece of paper
---glen on 11/1/09


Jerry, you don't make any sense. Why not ask some good questions? I am sure you can find them. There are hard questions in Scripture that we can talk about. What you are talking about is what is taught when someone comes to Christ. In discipleship.
---MarkV. on 7/18/09


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MarkV:

You said:

"The lost are dead spiritually, they are dead physically, and dead eternally. Only those of God hear God."

That is in direct contradiction to the words of Jesus:

Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Now you claim that you said the opposite of what you said. When you make up your mind, let me know.
---jerry6593 on 7/15/09


Jerry, please read carefully what you write. You said to my answer that the Bible contradicted me when I stated that all people from Adam are heading to hell, and that they need a Savior. If that is a contradiction, then it means you are saying they are not going to hell. If they are not goin to hell, they don't need a Savior. Hello? are you there?

So again, are all discendants of Adam going to hell?
Don't they need a Savior?
What does Luke 5:32 have to do with anything I said?
Who did Jesus come for? Sinners. All the discendants of Adam. Hello? All sin and fall short of the glory of God. The righteous are those who have faith in Christ. Who in the Old Testament had faith in God. They have a Savior already.
---MarkV. on 7/14/09


MarkV: "Jerry, You are saying the lost don't need a Savior."

What? Where do you get this stuff? I said no such thing.

You said:

"The lost are dead spiritually, they are dead physically, and dead eternally. Only those of God hear God."

That is in direct contradiction to the words of Jesus:

Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

I would appreciate it if, in the future, you would reference my exact quotes rather than your made-up ideas of my beliefs.
---jerry6593 on 7/14/09


NO, Eric, not at all. When you're in Heaven, you will know perfect Love, Peace and Joy. GOD promises to wipe away all the tears of sadness from the eyes of His people in Heaven. We Saints, while in Heaven, will KNOW the Truth of GOD's Righteous Judgments. We will understand more fully the ends of those who end up in Hell and the Lake of Fire. We will think more like Him, and KNOW that those in Hell had just as much of an opportunity to chose GOD as we did. EVEN if it's not seen by us now while on Earth. GOD, if nothing else, has the Power to erase the memories of those loved ones from our memories. At first glance, that may seem cold-hearted, but, once you KNOW that all is done in GOD's True and Just FAIRNESS, you will understand better.
---Gordon on 7/13/09


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Jerry, You are saying the lost don't need a Savior. Why does a person need the Savior? Because they have sinned and the wages of sin is death, that is why they are going to hell and need Christ to save them from the wrath of God.
They do need to commit to Christ but on their own they are not able. God has to make them able by drawing them to Himself. And when God opens your eyes and ears, and give you a heart to preceive, you will know the real Truth and Christ will set you free, when you commit your life to Christ. If God does not make it possible no one will come to Christ. The lost are dead spiritually, they are dead physically, and dead eternally. Only those of God hear God.
---MarkV. on 7/13/09


Whether you believe God dispenses to non-believers instant death by burning or eternal torture, there is another crucial point: we have a choice to accept or not to accept Jesus' salvation offer, but no human that I know of has a CHOICE about whether to be born. I believe God is not a monster. He knows who will accept Christ, and he will not "set some up" by giving them life with torture attached. There is a loving solution that we will learn about in time.
---Geraldine on 7/12/09


MarkV: "Jerry, I hate to disagree with you on this but you are wrong. No doctrine or person or thing is responsible for people going to hell. They are already going to hell. That is their sentence..... They are not asleep, but will wish they were."

The Bible says that it is you that is wrong! From Genesis to Revelation, the Bible teaches that salvation or destruction is our individual choice to make - we either obey God or the devil.

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve.... but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Jesus called Lazarus' death sleep. Stephen "fell asleep" when he died.
---jerry6593 on 7/12/09


Elder: Please clarify one point for me. Pierre quoted a scripture:

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Yet your response seemed to be calling this scripture a lie. The words "death" and "eternal life" cannot be the same to the rational mind. How can it be then that the Word of God is a lie?
---jerry6593 on 7/11/09


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Heaven is going to be so great that you will not think about them. You need to read "Heaven is Real" by Don Piper.
---amand6348 on 7/10/09


"Cluny: Are you saying that the wages of sin
is ETERNAL suffering in hell?
I hope not. The wages of sin is DEATH! (detruction by fire)" Pierre on 7/7/09

Pierre you had better heed what Cluny has said. Your eternal soul depends on it. I asked you two years ago to stop reading those cultic books and materiel of yours that you sent me but I can see that you have not. The more lies you fill your mind with the less able you are to recognise the truth.
---Elder on 7/10/09


Candice, your words are very true. What is in the heart that counts. If a person has a true love for God he is a child of God whether he goes to church or not. Most likely he will be one who has a fantastic hunger to learn about God and will do everything possible to receive all that God has for him to learn. God will move his heart and direct him to where He wants him to be.
---MarkV. on 7/8/09


Only God knows where they are at. Just because they might not have embraced "church" doesn't mean they didnot know God in their hearts. If they knew God & believed in his son but didn't attend church ,that doesn't mean they're in hell.
---candice on 7/8/09


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Samuel, let me say that your believes don't line up with Scripture. When Adam sinned, his sin brought death. Death in Scripture has three manifestations.
1. Spiritual death or separation from God, (Eph. 1:12, 4, 18).
2. Physical death (Hebrews 9:27).
3. Eternal death (also called the second death), which includes not only eternal separation from God, but eternal torment in the lake of fire, (Rev. 20:11-15).
Your question is about God been everywhere. He is the only One who is Spirit and is Omniscience. He can be in hell and heaven at the same time. What separates us from God is in relationship. God does not have a relationship with those who are in hell. They have been sentenced and judge already.
---MarkV. on 7/8/09


Samuel 2: The problem you are in is that you think no one will suffer pain. God has shown us there is a wrath of God to come to all who reject Christ and He has stated that many times. The worse problem is that you have read those passages many times. You and all those who don't believe in eternal death. The Truth has been presented to all of you by God through His Word and you have rejected it. It is not as if you never read the Bible as many others who haven't. And Scripture mentions that those who knew the Truth and rejected it, worse will be their punishment. I would say for you to read them again and make your salvation sure. I am not doubting your salvation, but your believes.
---MarkV. on 7/8/09


Cluny: Are you saying that the wages of sin
is ETERNAL suffering in hell?
I hope not. The wages of sin is DEATH! (detruction by fire)
---Pierre on 7/7/09


\\If that happnens to be (in) hell, you should be comforted to know that they will NOT BE TORTURED FOR EVER. They will be destroyed/burnt up!\\

If hell does not last eternally, then heaven does not either, because the SAME WORDS are used in the Bible to describe the length and duration of both.
---Cluny on 7/7/09


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Eternal punishment is the wrath of God and all those going there, will feel the torments of hell. They are not asleep, but will wish they were. Death is spiritual death, and that is separation from God forever. MarkV.

In Psalm 139:18 it mentions GOD is everywhere including hell. How can a person be apart from GOD since He is everywhere? He would have to cease to exist to get away from GOD. Also you need the Bible to change words. You want it to say eternal punishing. Punishment can be of limited or short duration. Lastly you need to make death not being dead. The wages of sin is death. Not eternal life.
---Samuel on 7/7/09


Pretty interesting responses. Thanks.
---eric1968 on 7/7/09


eric,

You are so right and I hope your question go's in the face of those that criticised me for explaining the reason for our tears that will and would have to be wiped away

There will be no more crying hurting or realisation of the life we had before indeed there could not be. You don't just say tough they didn't make it God is clever enough to make sure it won't be an issue because he will not allow us to know and that concerned me because I would not know if my children made it or not, but it makes perfect sense even if I don't like it!
---Carla3939 on 7/7/09


Matthew 22:29-32 speak of the resurrection and of the resurrection of the dead. Going to Heaven must be like the first resurrection spoken, v30: "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." So then, I do not think that anyone who makes it to Heaven will be asking for their Wife, Mother, Father, Sister, Brother, et al. Neither do I think that those who do not make it will have a 'body' to speak of to get tortured. But I do think, the not Heaven bound will have all their Earthly memory like a ton of bricks, Luke 16:19-31.
---Nana on 7/7/09


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Jerry, I hate to disagree with you on this but you are wrong. No doctrine or person or thing is responsible for people going to hell. They are already going to hell. That is their sentence. They are in great need of a Savior. Eternal punishment is the wrath of God and all those going there, will feel the torments of hell. They are not asleep, but will wish they were. Death is spiritual death, and that is separation from God forever.
You don't have nothing to worry about if you are saved, praise God for that. If He had not had mercy on you, you would not mind going there since those who are lost don't believe in heaven or believe in hell.
---MarkV. on 7/6/09


We will have perfect peace in Heaven, how would that be possible if we know loved ones are in Hell? The Bible tells us that there will be No Sorrow in Heaven, that would be sorrow, and we would not have peace if we knew of our loved ones in Hell.
---a_friend on 7/6/09


this is one concern that is common to lots of us.....

ok, so from what i read in the Bible, they will be cast into the lake of fire....

so i do my best to pray for and witness to all .... especially family, friends and loved ones

but i will not choose to go to hell together with them.... that i suppose will be more hell

recently an associate at work almost went to jail for negligence..... you do not suppose i will choose to break some kind of law and end up in jail because it is hell to know my loved one is in jail? or would you?

so relatives in hell is no excuse to choose to go to hell too.... i guess i'm right?
---patience on 7/6/09


NO, unless you know you could have done something about it, and you didn't.
---andy3996 on 7/6/09


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Yes if it were true then it would be hell.

But the truth is GOD will judge each person in the way of justice. It is up to GOD who will be in heaven.

But those who do not make it will die and cease to exist. The wages of sin is death not eternal life which is a gift of GOD.

GOD will not preserve sin and suffering. No where does the Bible teach that we have an immortal soul. Those words are not in the bible. Study the Doctrine of Conditionalism it is true.
---Samuel on 7/6/09


Good answer, Joseph. Eric does not claim to be a Christian (I assume he's the same eric who claims to be Spinozistic). Thus he does not know the lovingkindness of our Heavenly Father. This satanic lie, that the dead are tortured (with God's permission) throughout eternity, is responsible for more atheists than any other teaching.
---jerry6593 on 7/6/09


First let me say that you will be 1OO% satisfied with the final outcome as far as your family members are concerned. They will be where they choose to be!
If that happnens to be (in) hell, you should be comforted to know that they will NOT BE TORTURED FOR EVER. They will be destroyed/burnt up!
---Pierre on 7/5/09


\\All (definitions) from the Strong's Exhaustive concordance, original copyright 1890.
---joseph on 7/5/09\\

The lexica in the back of Strongs are NOT the last words in Biblical languages.
---Cluny on 7/5/09


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to my understanding ,once you are in heaven with jesus the things and people of the world will not be an issue.I know this may be hard to comprehend now,and may even seem cold,and mean too say,but no more sadness,no more tears,means you wont be unhappy once you are there,no matter where everyone you ever knew are.Sorry,but this just might mean that we all need to do all we can to make sure they are there too while they still live.
---tom2 on 7/5/09


God has promised that there will be no more tears,or death.But God has said it is appointed unto every man to die,then the judgement.Your position should be to do your best to see that they are saved.But umtimately it is their choice.
---tom2 on 7/5/09


Yes, Eric. But you obviously do not study your Bible enough and listen to those who do not study their Bibles enough. It is a common accusation against God that He would punish the righteous with the unrighteous, but their is overwhelming evidence in the Old and New Testament, which says exactly the opposite. Now, supposing your family were evil people who loved to steal from the poor and murder innocent children, I think you would not care if they went to Hell. WHy do you think God is unjust.
---frances008 on 7/5/09


" Knowing that, wouldn't my eternity in heaven itself be hell, knowing I could do nothing for my tortured loved ones?" Yes, if it were true, it is not.

Those judged to the lake of fire are consumed, they will be remembered no more. Those that are consumed are "dead, they shall not 'live' (be revived or restored to life), [they are] 'deceased' (consumed), they shall not 'rise' [to life again]: 'therefore' (rightly so) hast thou [Father] 'visited' (charged, punished) and 'destroyed' (exterminated, annihilated) them, and made all their 'memory' (memorial, remembrance) to 'perish' (to be blotted out, to vanish)." Isa.2614

All (definitions) from the Strong's Exhaustive concordance, original copyright 1890.
---joseph on 7/5/09


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And just who do you think would be telling you this, Eric?
---Cluny on 7/5/09


*Now * you can do all you can for your loved ones. One way is your example of loving all people like Jesus says to love > "For if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46) But many love only their favorite friends and "loved ones" > not obeying how Jesus says to love. They are so conceited, that they think they are too good for Jesus and how He desires for us to love all people. So, they are refusing Heaven's way of loving, and their conceit deeply degrades them so they can suffer in worry's abuse, in frustration and arguing, depression and self-righteous criticizing, even making themselves judges of God. So, this conceit has them now getting tastes hell, now.
---Bill_bila5659 on 7/5/09


No Eric, you'd see things from God's perspective fully at last. You'd understand what a slap in the face each and every one has dealt God throughout their lifetimes all the times he reached down to soften their heart and remake them in his image would be plain to you, and there and then you'd understand his judgments are just.

For nothing is hidden that will not be revealed, and nothing concealed that will not be made known and brought to light. Luke 8:17
---Pharisee on 7/5/09


I have asked myself this. I see this as a good question.
Here is what I see. First, why do you think this is a possibility?
You have been taught this from men! Not, from your father!

Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

Some of you see this as an end, I see it as a beginning.
Ask, and it shall be given you, seek, and ye shall find, knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Father, the lord my God!
---TheSeg on 7/5/09


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